Hi all,
the question of the core infrastructures is difficult and very important.
Le Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:30:39AM +0100, Marc Haber a écrit :
Do you see the diminishing care for our Core infrastructure as a
problem? Do you have any idea how do sensibilize our new blood for the
fact that
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:56:58PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Wouter Verhelst dijo [Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:45:33AM +0100]:
The numbers are easy. The amount of Debian Developers has been
approximately steady at about 1000 for the past ten years. Over that
same time, the amount of packages in
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:01:14PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
Nobody can do a sponsored upload, except a DD. Nobody can do an NMU,
except a DD. Nobody can maintain a buildd host, except a DD.
It was pointed out to me on IRC that yes, there are sponsored NMUs, and
that it therefore is
Hi,
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:45:33AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
Given the above, I believe the most important task ahead of us is making
Debian more attractive for users and prospective contributors; that is
what I intend to work on.
How do you intend to work on this?
Greetings
Marc
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On Tue, 16.03.2010 at 01:45:33 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote:
increasing. By definition, that means the ratio of Debian Developers per
package has been doing down, and thus also that the core infrastructure
has less contributors. Having more packages does not necessarily mean
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:35:51PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:45:33AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
Given the above, I believe the most important task ahead of us is making
Debian more attractive for users and prospective contributors; that is
what I intend
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:14:18PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote:
the number of DDs has not been going up for quite a while now.
If it hasn't declined very much, that'd be a good thing already.
FWIW, the total number of DDs is not a particularly good indicator of
the work force we have in Debian.
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:59:39PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:14:18PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote:
the number of DDs has not been going up for quite a while now.
If it hasn't declined very much, that'd be a good thing already.
FWIW, the total number of DDs
Wouter Verhelst dijo [Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:45:33AM +0100]:
The numbers are easy. The amount of Debian Developers has been
approximately steady at about 1000 for the past ten years. Over that
same time, the amount of packages in our distribution has been steadily
increasing. By definition,
This is for all candidates.
In the last years I have seen a really disturbing development in
Debian: New developers are very interested in bringing new packages
into Debian, but care for our core infrastructure (dpkg, apt) has a
little bit diminished. I am not saying that noone seems to care, but
Marc Haber wrote:
In the last years I have seen a really disturbing development in
Debian: New developers are very interested in bringing new packages
into Debian, but care for our core infrastructure (dpkg, apt) has a
little bit diminished.
Good question and quite true.
IMO it's worth
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:52:44PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
IMO it's worth adding to that:
- Debian Installer development
- Porting: several ports are struggling
- Documentation maintenance:
- website
- Release Notes
- various other guides
Agreed. Any more additions by others?
Hi!
Marc Haber schrieb:
- Debian Installer development
- Porting: several ports are struggling
- Documentation maintenance:
- website
- Release Notes
- various other guides
Agreed. Any more additions by others?
ftp-team and more or less everything PR related.
Best regards,
Le lundi 15 mars 2010 à 12:54 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit :
Agreed. Any more additions by others?
Core packages: glibc, kernel, X.org, Mozilla, KDE, GNOME…
These are the packages everything else is built upon, yet people are
more interested in adding yet another implementation of existing
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Marc Haber mh+debian-v...@zugschlus.de wrote:
Do you see the diminishing care for our Core infrastructure as a
problem? Do you have any idea how do sensibilize our new blood for the
fact that new packages doesn't help Debian if our Core stuff is
diminishing? I
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:30:39AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
Do you see the diminishing care for our Core infrastructure as a
problem? Do you have any idea how do sensibilize our new blood for the
fact that new packages doesn't help Debian if our Core stuff is
diminishing? I know that this is
Marc Haber wrote:
- dpkg still uses normal console prompting for dpkg-conffile
handling, while debconf has been mandatory for regular packages for
years now.
Dpkg has more active development now than it has for much of the
past fifteen years. And they've even talked some about
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 03:45:46PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Marc Haber wrote:
- The concept of all services are immediately started after
configuration and deleting all stop/start links will cause the
package's defaults to be re-established on the next package update
is
Marc Haber mh+debian-v...@zugschlus.de (15/03/2010):
Maybe we failed to provide such a two-liner, which in fact is,
unfortunately, much more complicated than one might think naively.
Additionally, example code for policy-rc.d is (almost?) nonexistent.
Maybe running reportbug would be more
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:04:57AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Marc Haber mh+debian-v...@zugschlus.de (15/03/2010):
Maybe we failed to provide such a two-liner, which in fact is,
unfortunately, much more complicated than one might think naively.
Additionally, example code for policy-rc.d
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:04:57AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Marc Haber mh+debian-v...@zugschlus.de (15/03/2010):
Maybe we failed to provide such a two-liner, which in fact is,
unfortunately, much more complicated than one might think naively.
Additionally, example code for policy-rc.d
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:30:39AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
This is for all candidates.
In the last years I have seen a really disturbing development in
Debian: New developers are very interested in bringing new packages
into Debian, but care for our core infrastructure (dpkg, apt) has a
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