Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-20 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2020/03/20 02:12, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:30 PM Jonathan Carter wrote: >> Non-uploading DD's existed at the time, I just had no interest in >> becoming a non-uploading DD when it was already my intent to become an >> uploading DD. > > I don't think any one membership state

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-19 Thread Brian Gupta
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 8:12 PM Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:30 PM Jonathan Carter wrote: > > > ... > > Thanks for the info, those details are interesting. > > > Non-uploading DD's existed at the time, I just had no interest in > > becoming a non-uploading DD when it was already m

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:30 PM Jonathan Carter wrote: > ... Thanks for the info, those details are interesting. > Non-uploading DD's existed at the time, I just had no interest in > becoming a non-uploading DD when it was already my intent to become an > uploading DD. I don't think any one mem

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-19 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Paul On 2020/03/19 15:19, Paul Wise wrote: > I'm saying that when we think someone deserves to be a delegate (or > join a core team), then at minimum they need to go through the > (non-uploading) DD process before becoming a delegate. If we trust > them to be a delegate, it would be weird to no

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 1:09 PM Jonathan Carter wrote: > I re-read the above, my understanding is that Paul made a statement > about the non-dd process being sufficient for new delegates that should > become members, and then I agreed and re-affirmed that that should be at > least the bare minimum

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-19 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2020/03/19 14:00, Sam Hartman wrote: >> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Carter writes: > > Jonathan> On 2020/03/19 12:39, Paul Wise wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 9:54 AM Jonathan Carter wrote: > >> > >>> My honest answer? Yes, it would be nice if all the delegates > >>> c

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-19 Thread Sam Hartman
Speaking as an individual. > "Jonathan" == Jonathan Carter writes: Jonathan> On 2020/03/19 12:39, Paul Wise wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 9:54 AM Jonathan Carter wrote: >> >>> My honest answer? Yes, it would be nice if all the delegates >>> could be project members

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-19 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2020/03/19 12:39, Paul Wise wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 9:54 AM Jonathan Carter wrote: > >> My honest answer? Yes, it would be nice if all the delegates could be >> project members, I understand your concern, but often it's best to be >> willing to work with people who are willing to do th

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 9:54 AM Jonathan Carter wrote: > My honest answer? Yes, it would be nice if all the delegates could be > project members, I understand your concern, but often it's best to be > willing to work with people who are willing to do the work. > > I would suggest some minimal vett

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
Hi all, On 18.03.20 13:36, Pranav Jain wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:58 PM Sruthi Chandran wrote: >> On 18/03/20 4:06 pm, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: >>> The fact that we don't know this might hint at the need of having a >>> feedback process for Outreach in Debian. >>> >>> This process could cover

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:01:28PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > Honestly, I don't think it's a problem we can solve right now, but at > > the very least, we should do whatever it takes to not be part of the > > problem, and we should take every small step we can take to be the

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Sruthi Chandran
On 18/03/20 4:06 pm, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > Hi! > > @JonathanCarter: thank you very much for encouraging us to continue this > discussion here :) > ... > Agreed. > > @Adrian: I think you should read up on the Flosspols study [1] and > especially about the time women and men can put into free softwa

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Sruthi Chandran
On 18/03/20 3:05 pm, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2020-03-18 10:26]: >>> As a former Outreachy intern myself (2015) I can tell you that it the >>> stipend has helped me to invest time to find my way around Debian, time >>> during which otherwise I would have had to earn

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Sruthi Chandran
On 17/03/20 10:02 pm, Hector Oron wrote: > Hello, > > First of all, thanks for nominating yourselves to Debian project leaders. > > Debian Outreach looks like an awesome initiative to bring new blood > into Debian and also people coming from minority groups, however, on > the other hand, it ha

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2020/03/18 13:16, Héctor Orón Martínez wrote: > That's one option, yes. > I would like people being in such case to at least be tested that > they know about DFSG and Debian core values. +1, as a DPL I would not add someone to a delegation unless I'm satisfied that they are at least familia

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
@JPA, On 18.03.20 12:01, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 3/18/20 10:58 AM, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Why is it fair to support a woman in a rich first-world country but not > the poor boy in the streets of Delhi? Quoting Outreachy: "We expressly invite women (both cis and trans), trans men

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2020/03/18 13:01, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> You hit a very important aspect of privilege in your mail here that I'm >> not sure you're fully conscious of. Back in 1989, me and my little >> buddies were typing BASIC in to a ZX-Spectrum so that we can play new >> games. It was great and

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Héctor Orón Martínez
Hello, Thanks all for the replies! It makes an interesting discussion, however, I would like to remember those were questions to the upcoming DPL, so we can have more informed decision when voting. Missatge de Ulrike Uhlig del dia dc., 18 de març 2020 a les 11:37: > Last but not least, I'd li

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 3/18/20 10:58 AM, Jonathan Carter wrote: > You hit a very important aspect of privilege in your mail here that I'm > not sure you're fully conscious of. Back in 1989, me and my little > buddies were typing BASIC in to a ZX-Spectrum so that we can play new > games. It was great and we learned a l

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
Hi! @JonathanCarter: thank you very much for encouraging us to continue this discussion here :) On 18.03.20 10:35, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2020-03-18 10:26]: >>> As a former Outreachy intern myself (2015) I can tell you that it the >>> stipend has helped me to inve

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Adrian On 2020/03/18 11:26, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > You also don't need much to do programming. I started with a C64 from my > brother because I didn't even have my own computer and we didn't have > an x86 machine before 1997 which also belonged to my parents and not me. You hit a v

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Enrico Zini
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:03:13PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > On 2020/03/18 11:58, Enrico Zini wrote: > > Note that another option available to address this, which has been used > > before and isn't used as often as it could, is to ask DAM to have a look > > at the missing membership problem.

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Enrico Zini
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:36:24AM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > My honest answer? Yes, it would be nice if all the delegates could be > project members, I understand your concern, but often it's best to be > willing to work with people who are willing to do the work. Note that another option a

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hey Enrico On 2020/03/18 11:58, Enrico Zini wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:36:24AM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > >> My honest answer? Yes, it would be nice if all the delegates could be >> project members, I understand your concern, but often it's best to be >> willing to work with people

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2020/03/17 18:32, Hector Oron wrote: > Debian Outreach looks like an awesome initiative to bring new blood > into Debian and also people coming from minority groups, however, on > the other hand, it has been a quite expensive to run for the real > benefit provided to Debian project. Reading th

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2020-03-18 10:26]: > > As a former Outreachy intern myself (2015) I can tell you that it the > > stipend has helped me to invest time to find my way around Debian, time > > during which otherwise I would have had to earn a living elsewhere and > > would never have gott

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 3/17/20 9:45 PM, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > As a former Outreachy intern myself (2015) I can tell you that it the > stipend has helped me to invest time to find my way around Debian, time > during which otherwise I would have had to earn a living elsewhere and > would never have gotten involved furth

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-18 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2020/03/17 22:45, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > (I have no idea if I am allowed to reply to this, or if only DPL > candidates are supposed to reply. Hence forgive me if I'm overstepping a > boundary here. Please tell me if that is the case by the way.) Not problem whatsoever, imho it's important that D

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-17 Thread Brian Gupta
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:32 PM Hector Oron wrote: > > Hello, > > First of all, thanks for nominating yourselves to Debian project leaders. > > Debian Outreach looks like an awesome initiative to bring new blood > into Debian and also people coming from minority groups, however, on > the othe

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-17 Thread Hector Oron
Hello, Missatge de Ulrike Uhlig del dia dt., 17 de març 2020 a les 21:46: > (I have no idea if I am allowed to reply to this, or if only DPL > candidates are supposed to reply. Hence forgive me if I'm overstepping a > boundary here. Please tell me if that is the case by the way.) [Thread moved

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-17 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
Hi, (I have no idea if I am allowed to reply to this, or if only DPL candidates are supposed to reply. Hence forgive me if I'm overstepping a boundary here. Please tell me if that is the case by the way.) On 17.03.20 21:07, Hector Oron wrote: > Missatge de Ulrike Uhlig del dia dt., 17 de març >

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-17 Thread Hector Oron
Hello, Missatge de Ulrike Uhlig del dia dt., 17 de març 2020 a les 18:34: > > Debian Outreach [...] > > thas been a quite expensive to run for the real > > benefit provided to Debian project. > > The questions you ask seem to rely on this observation of yours, that I > find a little bit overly s

Re: Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-17 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
Hi! On 17.03.20 17:32, Hector Oron wrote: > Debian Outreach [...] > thas been a quite expensive to run for the real > benefit provided to Debian project. The questions you ask seem to rely on this observation of yours, that I find a little bit overly suggestive: - How do you measure benefit?

Question to all: Outreach

2020-03-17 Thread Hector Oron
Hello, First of all, thanks for nominating yourselves to Debian project leaders. Debian Outreach looks like an awesome initiative to bring new blood into Debian and also people coming from minority groups, however, on the other hand, it has been a quite expensive to run for the real benefit p