Re: Defining free, and the DFSG's terminological shortcomings (was: call for seconds: on firmware)

2008-11-16 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:15:10PM +, Ben Finney wrote: Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:20:05PM +, Ben Finney wrote: Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The SC speaks about software, and doesn't define it. The statement that

Re: Defining free, and the DFSG's terminological shortcomings

2008-11-16 Thread Ben Finney
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:15:10PM +, Ben Finney wrote: That seems to be an argument for proposing a re-wording of the DFSG, so that freedoms are defined without referring to that mess of terms. I would agree that could be a good motivation in

Re: Defining free, and the DFSG's terminological shortcomings

2008-11-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, I believe the DFSG are clumsy when it comes to its terms. Component is clear. Firmwares are part of Debian components for sure, there is absolutely no doubt about that. But I'm honnestly not sure what programs or software mean, and in §2 that's

Re: Defining free, and the DFSG's terminological shortcomings

2008-11-16 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:54:25PM +, Russ Allbery wrote: Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, I believe the DFSG are clumsy when it comes to its terms. Component is clear. Firmwares are part of Debian components for sure, there is absolutely no doubt about that. But I'm

Re: Defining free, and the DFSG's terminological shortcomings

2008-11-16 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:51:54AM +1100, Ben Finney a écrit : Is now a good time to propose such a GR? I really do not think so. As you see, it creates discordance in the Project, kills the fun, sinks energy, makes people asking for each other's heads and starts a process that has many dead