Re: Q to both candidates: preventing burnout by other contributors

Hi Russ, Sorry for the late reply. On 29/03/2017 18:33, Russ Allbery wrote: > 1. Do you agree with the above analysis, or do you see a different >dynamic? > I agree with your analysis. But even in companies, there are issues and not all managers are able to deal with them. And really, it

Re: Q to both candidates: preventing burnout by other contributors

On 2017-03-30 15:39:00, Chris Lamb wrote: > It seems to be an incredibly difficult skill to master and I cannot claim > to have substantial prior experience. Perhaps it wasn't Zack-as-DPL that > helped move those particular conversations along but rather Zack's mediation > skills…? What do you

Re: Q to both candidates: preventing burnout by other contributors

Hey Antoine, > One thing I remember seeing Zack do fairly often in his time as a DPL > was to intervene in certain threads to provide a summary and try to find > a way out of difficult situations. I've seen a number of DDs attempt this route. Some succeed but unfortunately many fail or at least

Re: Q to both candidates: preventing burnout by other contributors

Enrico Zini writes ("Re: Q to both candidates: preventing burnout by other contributors"): > On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 07:19:31PM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote: > > However, I still think that by continually and reliably calling it out > > in general, even in cases where it is

Re: Q to both candidates: preventing burnout by other contributors

Hi Chris, Thank you for adressing those difficult questions, and thanks for everyone who stepped up to bring them forward. This is probably one of the most important discussions right now in the free software world (if not in STEM overall)... On 2017-03-29 19:19:31, Chris Lamb wrote: >> 2. Do

Re: Q to both candidates: preventing burnout by other contributors

Russ Allbery writes ("Re: Q to both candidates: preventing burnout by other contributors"): > [analysis of structural problem with toxic behaviours] I agree entirely with your analysis. > In Debian, we have very few tools short of outright explusion from the > project, which

Re: Q to both candidates: preventing burnout by other contributors

On 29/03/2017 20:19, Chris Lamb wrote: > Furthermore, putting people and teams together in real life is also > another unexplored avenue. Whilst this speaks somewhat to my previous > commitments for more meetups, the angle I am taking here is not waiting > for the next {Mini,}DebConf or team

Re: Q to both candidates: preventing burnout by other contributors

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 07:19:31PM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote: > However, I still think that by continually and reliably calling it out > in general, even in cases where it is unlikely to worsen, means that > our culture will — in time — change for the better. I've seen calling out mentioned a

Re: Q to both candidates: preventing burnout by other contributors

Hi Russ, In general I would say I agree with your analysis. You raise some excellent points, especially that the extreme outliers are paradoxically an quote-easier-unquote case to deal with via expulsion, whilst behaviours that do not reach that level cause more damage in the long-term as they

Re: Q to both candidates: preventing burnout by other contributors

On 29/03/17 17:33, Russ Allbery wrote: > I think one of the things that makes this very difficult in a project like > Debian is that there's very little teeth to the constructive feedback, > which changes the context and emotional tenor of the feedback > considerably. THIS. Thanks Russ, I agree

Re: Q to both candidates: preventing burnout by other contributors

Quoting Russ Allbery (2017-03-29 18:33:59) > In Debian, we have very few tools short of outright explusion from the > project, which obviously everyone is very reluctant to use, and > everyone knows that. Thankfully we have not yet expluded anyone. Sorry, couldn't resist. Thanks for the your

Re: Q to both candidates: preventing burnout by other contributors

Chris Lamb writes: > In practical terms, we should be pointing out poor behaviour when we see > it and not relying on the aggrieved party to do so. We could advertise > more general themes or even slogans along the lines of "If You See > Something, Say Something" (!) in order

Re: Q to both candidates: preventing burnout by other contributors

Dear Martín, > Yesterday I posted[0] about my experience dealing with toxic > contributors in Debian Thank you so much for sharing this. I hope others will reply to your post on such an important topic. There are clearly no easy solutions and regrettably this issue extends far beyond Debian to