Hi folks,
We feel it is time to respond to this thread in our capacity as the
Community Team, and take a moment to remind everyone of some details
in the Code of Conduct.[1]
Notably, we'd like to bring your attention to the first point: ***Be
respectful***.
Please be respectful of others when
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 08:46:35PM +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Dec 2019, Sam Hartman wrote:
>
> > > TL;DR: Treating people with respect is hard and very contextual.
> > > Choosing to change how you talk about something to make people
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 08:46:35PM +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2019, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > TL;DR: Treating people with respect is hard and very contextual.
> > Choosing to change how you talk about something to make people more
> > comfortable doesn't always mean you were
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019, Sam Hartman wrote:
> TL;DR: Treating people with respect is hard and very contextual.
> Choosing to change how you talk about something to make people more
> comfortable doesn't always mean you were obligated to make that change.
> Sometimes you're just promoting connection.
On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 at 23:54:16 +, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> I think when people personally feel excluded/diminished/pick your term
> then it's appropriate to work on how to frame things to see how to make
> them feel welcome (e.g. if someone is more comfortable being referred
> to by they,
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 03:21:09PM +0100, Gerardo Ballabio wrote:
> Anyway, thank you for clarifying that using people's preferred
> pronouns is a requisite for being welcome in Debian. As I read them,
> neither the CoC nor the Diversity Statement are explicit on that.
> Maybe it would be useful
On December 12, 2019 2:57:55 PM UTC, Ian Jackson
wrote:
>Scott Kitterman writes ("Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the
>CoC"):
>> I think you reinforce my original point. In this case, the 'other
>> side' isn't the proposer of the option, it's me.
>>
&
On December 12, 2019 3:01:26 PM UTC, Sam Hartman wrote:
>> "Scott" == Scott Kitterman writes:
>
>
>Scott> I think you reinforce my original point. In this case, the
>Scott> 'other side' isn't the proposer of the option, it's me.
>
>Scott> What I'm hearing is that the CoC
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 03:21:09PM +0100, Gerardo Ballabio wrote:
[...]
> Anyway, thank you for clarifying that using people's preferred
> pronouns is a requisite for being welcome in Debian. As I read them,
> neither the CoC nor the Diversity Statement are explicit on that.
> Maybe it would be
On 15614 March 1977, Gerardo Ballabio wrote:
Anyway, thank you for clarifying that using people's preferred
pronouns is a requisite for being welcome in Debian. As I read them,
neither the CoC nor the Diversity Statement are explicit on that.
Maybe it would be useful to make it explicit?
They
> "Scott" == Scott Kitterman writes:
Scott> I think you reinforce my original point. In this case, the
Scott> 'other side' isn't the proposer of the option, it's me.
Scott> What I'm hearing is that the CoC isn't for people like me
Scott> because you are completely
Scott Kitterman writes ("Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC"):
> I think you reinforce my original point. In this case, the 'other
> side' isn't the proposer of the option, it's me.
>
> What I'm hearing is that the CoC isn't for people like me because
> you
(I see that because of my mistake, this thread continued on both
-project and -vote. If you think it's better to restrict it to either
list, please say so.)
Hello Sam and others,
I did not want to derail the discussion. As I wrote, I made those
examples because I believed that they would help
On December 12, 2019 12:23:21 PM UTC, Sam Hartman wrote:
>> "Scott" == Scott Kitterman writes:
>
> Scott> TLDR: Words have meanings and I find it deeply offensive when
>Scott> one group tries to hijack them for their own ends. This
>Scott> entire discussion makes me less
> "Sam" == Sam Hartman writes:
Sam> In adopting the Diversity Statement and the Code of Conduct
Sam> we've committed to welcoming people to the project regardless
Sam> of how they identify the project.
Sigh.
This should have been regardless of how they identify themselves.
> "Gerardo" == Gerardo Ballabio writes:
Gerardo, somehow you've taken the discussion from terms used in Debian
elections to abortion politics and use of people's preferred pronouns.
You could have found examples from within a Debian context. They were
right there: diversity and its use in
> "Scott" == Scott Kitterman writes:
Scott> TLDR: Words have meanings and I find it deeply offensive when
Scott> one group tries to hijack them for their own ends. This
Scott> entire discussion makes me less comfortable with
Scott> participating in Debian.
I agree that
Sorry, I just realized I sent this to the wrong list. It was for
-vote actually.
Gerardo
Il giorno gio 12 dic 2019 alle ore 11:22 Gerardo Ballabio
ha scritto:
>
> Sam, thank you very much for raising this issue and for recognizing
> that there's more than one angle to it.
>
> I tend to agree
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 02:51:37AM +, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> TLDR: Words have meanings and I find it deeply offensive when one group tries
> to hijack them for their own ends. This entire discussion makes me less
> comfortable with participating in Debian.
I have to support Scott here.
TLDR: Words have meanings and I find it deeply offensive when one group tries
to hijack them for their own ends. This entire discussion makes me less
comfortable with participating in Debian.
Didn't have the energy to write the long version.
Scott K
On December 11, 2019 3:50:06 PM UTC, Sam
TL;DR: Treating people with respect is hard and very contextual.
Choosing to change how you talk about something to make people more
comfortable doesn't always mean you were obligated to make that change.
Sometimes you're just promoting connection.
> "Scott" == Scott Kitterman writes:
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