Sam Hartman writes ("Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root"):
> into a body that's good at helping people make these sorts of decisions
> when there is conflict. I think it will be as much about mediation,
> about asking people to work together, about poi
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:01:12PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Anthony Towns writes ("Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the
> root"):
> > I think it's worth keeping those conceptually separate; if you've got an
> > arbitrator, it's impo
(Replying twice so my positive suggestion doesn't get lost:)
Anthony Towns writes ("Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the
root"):
> The way things are set up, the ctte has to decide how to organise
> itself, it can't easily rely on the project as a
Anthony Towns writes ("Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the
root"):
> I think it's worth keeping those conceptually separate; if you've got an
> arbitrator, it's important to convince them of your position. If you've
> got a mediator, what
Sam Hartman writes ("Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root"):
> Yes, getting the TC to be a group that thinks mostly about mediation
> first will take some real work. I sat in on yesterday's TC meeting
> because I was curious to get a better handle on how
On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 07:13:06PM +, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > "Matthias" == Matthias Urlichs writes:
> Matthias> I'm more in favor of the TC _being_ that mediation group.
> Matthias> I don't see any advantage in separating these roles.
So I think there's two styles of dispute resol
> "Matthias" == Matthias Urlichs writes:
Matthias> Hi, matt...@bendel.debian.org:
>> I think the TC is a useful last resort where other ways of
>> resolving technical disagreements have failed. Perhaps we should
>> consider having a non-binding mediation group for developers t
Hi,
matt...@bendel.debian.org:
> I think the TC is a useful last resort where other ways of resolving
> technical disagreements have failed. Perhaps we should consider having
> a non-binding mediation group for developers to go to before invoking
> the TC?
I'm more in favor of the TC _being_ that
Clint Adams writes:
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:50:30PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> > Disbanding the TC would likely do more harm than good. There would be
> > no way to conclude a disagreement.
>
> I believe that there is evidence prior to 1999 that neither of
> these sentences is accurat
Le vendredi 05 décembre 2014 à 00:31 +0100, Bill Allombert a écrit :
> I am in favor of this option appearing on the ballot. I have been following
> the TC for 15 years, and it is clear to me that the cost of having a TC
> outweights the benefit (and I had the same opinion 5 years ago).
Really?
Hi Bill,
On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 12:31:08AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:
> I am in favor of this option appearing on the ballot. I have been following
> the TC for 15 years, and it is clear to me that the cost of having a TC
> outweights the benefit (and I had the same opinion 5 years ago).
> Th
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 11:18:24PM +, Clint Adams wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 12:13:32AM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> > Acting together with themselves? ;-)
>
> Thank you.
>
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> +++ /tmp/constitution.txt 2014-12-
* Steve McIntyre , 2014-12-03, 14:32:
Joss, have you considered nominating yourself?
Suddenly Clint's proposal became more appealing.
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2014, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> Doesn't that require constitutional change? The current powers as
> written make the TC a decision-making body, not a mediation body.
Not really, because it doesn't take any constitutional powers to
try to mediate.
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On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Sam Hartman wrote:
>> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes:
>
> Russ> There's another alternative to using the CTTE, and my
> Russ> understanding is that this was generally the method used prior
> Russ> to the existence of the CTTE, but I'm not sure it's rea
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:50:30PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
>> Disbanding the TC would likely do more harm than good. There would be
>> no way to conclude a disagreement.
>>
>> I suggested this before:
>>
>> TC actions should be
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 02:46:25PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>Clint Adams wrote:
>On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:50:30PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
>> Disbanding the TC would likely do more harm than good. There would
> be
>> no way to conclude a disagreement.
>
> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes:
Russ> There's another alternative to using the CTTE, and my
Russ> understanding is that this was generally the method used prior
Russ> to the existence of the CTTE, but I'm not sure it's really any
Russ> better.
Russ> There are specific te
Clint Adams wrote:
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:50:30PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> Disbanding the TC would likely do more harm than good. There would be
> no way to conclude a disagreement.
I believe that there is evidence prior to 1999 that neither of
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 09:11:43AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> From those who want to drop the CTTE, I'd like to know what would they
> have done to decide upon the init system for Jessie.
There were two aspects to that question: do we support non-default
init systems, and which is the def
Stefano Zacchiroli writes:
> From those who want to drop the CTTE, I'd like to know what would they
> have done to decide upon the init system for Jessie. It seems to me that
> we have tried not to use the CTTE on that dispute for several years,
> with the net result of raging flamewars and no de
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 06:42:40PM -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> * Do away with the Technical Committee entirely.
>
> The main questions this raises are:
>
> How would we deal with conflicts that would currently be addressed by
> the TC? Hopefully, the answers would be something like: col
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 11:34:14PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> I think it would be better if ctte members did not bring disputes to the ctte
> and then vote on the resolution of that dispute. [...]
One thing I'd been pondering suggesting was that the ctte change how they
view "requests". ATM
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:50:30PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> Disbanding the TC would likely do more harm than good. There would be
> no way to conclude a disagreement.
>
> I suggested this before:
>
> TC actions should be limited solely to disagreement mediation, and only
> when
>
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:50:30PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> Disbanding the TC would likely do more harm than good. There would be
> no way to conclude a disagreement.
I believe that there is evidence prior to 1999 that neither of
these sentences is accurate.
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On Tuesday, December 02, 2014 10:50:30 PM Michael Gilbert wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> > On 12/02/2014 06:13 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> >> This is an interesting proposal. But it's a big change, so I think it
> >> should be thoroughly discussed before I could s
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> On 12/02/2014 06:13 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote:
>
>> This is an interesting proposal. But it's a big change, so I think it
>> should be thoroughly discussed before I could second it.
>
> I agree some discussion would be useful, but seems like i
On 12/02/2014 06:13 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> This is an interesting proposal. But it's a big change, so I think it
> should be thoroughly discussed before I could second it.
I agree some discussion would be useful, but seems like it's a lot
simpler than all the other noodling with term-limits tha
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 12:13:32AM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> Acting together with themselves? ;-)
Thank you.
--- /tmp/constitution.txt.orig 2014-12-02 15:54:42.758894286 -0500
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Each decision in the Project
Hi Clint!
This is an interesting proposal. But it's a big change, so I think it
should be thoroughly discussed before I could second it. Also, I'd
prefer to have it as a separate GR than bundled with zack's GR.
* Clint Adams , 2014-12-02, 21:08:
Anyone want to sanity-check the section number
Anyone want to sanity-check the section numbering?
--- /tmp/constitution.txt.orig 2014-12-02 15:54:42.758894286 -0500
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Each decision in the Project is made by one or more of the following:
1. The Develo
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