Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-10-21 Thread Tobias Frost
On Thu, 2014-10-16 at 16:05 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: I wish to propose the following general resolution, and hereby call for seconds. This GR resolution proposal is identical to that proposed by Matthew Vernon in March: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg0.html and the

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

2016-07-08 Thread Tobias Frost
Am Freitag, den 08.07.2016, 15:27 +0200 schrieb Margarita Manterola: > The Debian Constitution is very well written, in a way that is almost > completely > ungendered.  The only gendered word left is the Chairman of the > Technical > Committee.  There is no reason for this position to be gendered.

Re: Proposed GR: State exception for security bugs in Social Contract clause 3

2017-01-12 Thread Tobias Frost
> >I'm yet to be convinced that there exists anyone that would be upset by >the fact that our security team might abide by embargoes in supposed >defiance of 'not hide problems'. I am also not convinced that if there >does exist such a person, and they are capable of becoming upset enough >about it to be driven away from Debian, that that would be a great >loss. > >Cheers, Phil. Seems that topic has been previously discussed already: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=129604 (just came across that bug by purechange yesterday) -- Tobias Frost GPG fingerprint: 13C9 04F0 CE08 5E7C 3630 7985 DECF 849A A635 7FB7

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-22 Thread Tobias Frost
On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 07:39:21AM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Ansgar writes: > > > On Fri, 2022-08-19 at 16:23 +0200, Simon Richter wrote: > >> Do we need to update the Debian Social Contract for that? > >> Specifically paragraph 1, which currently reads > >> > >> Debian will remain

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-22 Thread Tobias Frost
On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 05:48:28PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Tobias Frost writes: > That seems incorrect. Here is a quote from the proposal: > > We will include non-free firmware packages from the > "non-free-firmware" section of the Debian archive on our offi

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-18 Thread Tobias Frost
On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 08:58:21PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Hi a11! > > I'm proposing to change how we handle non-free firmware in > Debian. I've written about this a few times already this year [1, 2] > and I ran a session on the subject at DebConf [3]. > > TL;DR: The way we deal with

Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change

2022-09-07 Thread Tobias Frost
On Wed, Sep 07, 2022 at 10:48:36AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Between one thing and another I've not been tracking the timeline of this > vote and I'm worried we may be out of time for new ballot options and > possibly extensions. > > (As promised in the previous vote for changing the timing of

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-04 Thread Tobias Frost
Hi Steve, On Fri, Sep 02, 2022 at 09:14:53PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 03:11:25PM -0500, Richard Laager wrote: > > > > > I like to discussion about anything related to this, so that I can at > > > least get an idea what the consensus is. > > > > DSC 1 and DSC 5 have

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-22 Thread Tobias Frost
On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 12:32:54PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > I hereby propose the following alternative text to Steve's original > proposal. > > I'm only suggesting to modify the third paragraph, offering to produce > two sets of images (fully-free and with-non-free-firmware), being the > later

Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change

2022-09-13 Thread Tobias Frost
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 07:10:24PM +, Bill Allombert wrote: > Le Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 02:37:49PM +, Bill Allombert a écrit : > > Le Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:56:07AM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin a écrit : > > > Do you too agree with the position that having non-free firmware stored in > > >

Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change

2022-09-13 Thread Tobias Frost
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 07:29:05AM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > My reason for using Debian is that I can rely on getting a 100% free > system, and then add non-free works on top of it when I chose to do so. > > For example, I install the firmware-iwlwifi package on my laptop because > I

Re: new proposal: free and and non-free installers with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Tobias Frost
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 03:00:26PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > hi, > > I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like > proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image. > > Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable > Debian installer images, for those

Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change

2022-09-11 Thread Tobias Frost
On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 08:19:26AM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Paul Wise writes: > > > On Sat, 2022-09-10 at 09:16 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > > > >> So the practical problems facing people requiring non-free software > >> appears solved or possible to solve. > > > > As I understand it

Re: Question to all voters: Is team upload in some example case OK? (Was: Question to all candidates: What are your technical goals)

2024-04-06 Thread Tobias Frost
On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 12:37:19PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi Tobias, > > Am Thu, Apr 04, 2024 at 07:59:56PM +0200 schrieb Tobias Frost: > > > > There is the possilbity to salavage the packagei [1], but that of course > > will > > only work if the person

Re: Question to all voters: Is team upload in some example case OK? (Was: Question to all candidates: What are your technical goals)

2024-04-04 Thread Tobias Frost
Hi Andreas, On Thu, Apr 04, 2024 at 02:32:45PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi, > > in the light of the previous discussion I have a question to all voters. > Due to bug #1066377 more than 30 testing removal warnings hit my mailbox > today (I stopped counting after 30). While the Debian Med