Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-04-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:28:57 +0100, Matthew Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 01:10:33PM -0500, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED], in [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which seems to have gone only to the list). Well, that was fucking stupid. True, though I

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-04-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:28:57 +0100, Matthew Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 01:10:33PM -0500, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED], in [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which seems to have gone only to the list). Well, that was fucking stupid. True, though I

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Sam Hartman
Matthew == Matthew Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matthew I believe the method for choosing the hash that allows Matthew one to identify one's vote is flawed. Since all Matthew components of the string to be fed to md5sum are chosen Matthew by the secretary or known well in

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Like Sam, I see no particular need for salt beyond the username. However, I did notice a potential anonymity attack: the presence of consistent partial voter lists and dummy tally sheets leaked some information about which voters could have which hashes. (Batching obviously alleviated this, but

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 31 Mar 2003 12:02:14 -0500, Aaron M Ucko [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Like Sam, I see no particular need for salt beyond the username. However, I did notice a potential anonymity attack: the presence of consistent partial voter lists and dummy tally sheets leaked some information about

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Michael Schultheiss
Matthew Wilcox wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 12:02:14PM -0500, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: Like Sam, I see no particular need for salt beyond the username. Uh.. Sam who? I saw no email. Sam Hartman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2003/debian-vote-200303/msg00115.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you actually tried this? the dummy tally sheet is When I originally voted (in the first few hours), my md5sum appeared in the dummy tally sheet. The dummy tally sheet, is just that, a dummy. Ah, so it is. My apologies for not

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Alain Schroeder
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 20:28, Matthew Wilcox wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 01:10:33PM -0500, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: It's an accomplishment, but it's affordable. Voters supplying a salt makes it non-doable. What about using the Message-ID ? Or are those to short? Everyone can compare the

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Michael Goetze
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 07:28:57PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote: Let's try using some numbers. An md5sum is 16 bytes -- 128 bits. On average, you need 2^64 samples to find a collision. So you need around 600 million samples per second to find one collision in a year (assuming you're going for

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Matthew Wilcox
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 06:08:43PM -0600, The Debian Project Secretary wrote: The results were the same from both set of algorithms. The details are presented below. As stated earlier, people can verify details by looking at: a) list of people voting:

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Sam Hartman
Matthew == Matthew Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matthew I believe the method for choosing the hash that allows Matthew one to identify one's vote is flawed. Since all Matthew components of the string to be fed to md5sum are chosen Matthew by the secretary or known well in

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:35:15 +0100, Matthew Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I believe the method for choosing the hash that allows one to identify one's vote is flawed. Since all components of the string to be fed to md5sum are chosen by the secretary or known well in advance, it would

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 31 Mar 2003 12:02:14 -0500, Aaron M Ucko [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Like Sam, I see no particular need for salt beyond the username. However, I did notice a potential anonymity attack: the presence of consistent partial voter lists and dummy tally sheets leaked some information about

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Matthew Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 12:02:14PM -0500, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: Like Sam, I see no particular need for salt beyond the username. Uh.. Sam who? I saw no email. The username is insufficient salt; the Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED], in [EMAIL

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Michael Schultheiss
Matthew Wilcox wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 12:02:14PM -0500, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: Like Sam, I see no particular need for salt beyond the username. Uh.. Sam who? I saw no email. Sam Hartman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2003/debian-vote-200303/msg00115.html

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Matthew Wilcox
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 01:10:33PM -0500, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED], in [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which seems to have gone only to the list). Well, that was fucking stupid. True, though I think even finding collisions on that timescale would be an accomplishment. Let's try

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Buddha Buck
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:35:15 +0100, Matthew Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I believe the method for choosing the hash that allows one to identify one's vote is flawed. Since all components of the string to be fed to md5sum are chosen by the secretary or known

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you actually tried this? the dummy tally sheet is When I originally voted (in the first few hours), my md5sum appeared in the dummy tally sheet. The dummy tally sheet, is just that, a dummy. Ah, so it is. My apologies for not

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Alain Schroeder
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 20:28, Matthew Wilcox wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 01:10:33PM -0500, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: It's an accomplishment, but it's affordable. Voters supplying a salt makes it non-doable. What about using the Message-ID ? Or are those to short? Everyone can compare the

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Michael Goetze
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 07:28:57PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote: Let's try using some numbers. An md5sum is 16 bytes -- 128 bits. On average, you need 2^64 samples to find a collision. So you need around 600 million samples per second to find one collision in a year (assuming you're going for

Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-29 Thread The Debian Project Secretary
Hi, The winner of the election is Martin Michlmayr. I would like to thank Moshe Zadka, Branden Robinson and Bdale Garbee for their service to the project, for standing for the post of project leader, and for offering the developers a strong and viable group of candidates.

Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-29 Thread The Debian Project Secretary
Hi, The winner of the election is Martin Michlmayr. I would like to thank Moshe Zadka, Branden Robinson and Bdale Garbee for their service to the project, for standing for the post of project leader, and for offering the developers a strong and viable group of candidates.