On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:03:36AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
I know this question isn't particularly aimed at me, but I'll answer
anyway: I really don't think that would help most of the time.
I'm clearly not particularly good at posing trick question to the
candidates; aj was much better than
Stefano asked:
The ground shaking question to all candidates is then: what do you
think
of providing a DPL salary using Debian funds?
Here are some comments on a few of the aspects that worry me about this
idea. Some could be addressed by making other changes, but some seem
more
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 08:50:33AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Due to time and travel demands, there are blockers in being DPLs. Most
of them are work related. Within that category of blockers, some could
be solved by a salary but many (according to your judgement) could not.
If we agree
Hi Russ,
while I do agree with the rest of your post, there's one part which I'm not
sure to understand correctly:
Le mercredi, 13 mars 2013 18.03:36, Russ Allbery a écrit :
For example, I live in the SF Bay Area. Fair market compensation here for
the sort of senior IT person that we would
On 2013-03-14 13:10, Enrico Zini wrote:
We've definitely come to expect too much from a DPL, and we need to
break that up. [...]
Thanks. Your message explains better what I've mentioned, that (even
ignoring the associated problems) I don't see it as healthy for us to
push for a DPL with
Hi Moray, hi all,
Le mardi, 12 mars 2013 21.24:15, Moray Allan a écrit :
In my view, if we want to lengthen the term of office for our
leadership roles, which could have beneficial aspects, we should do that
as part of a wider reform that reduces the concentration of roles/power
in a single
Dear candidates,
How much time do you think voters should spend reading these discussions?
With the benefit of some hindsight, do you feel that you are being
concise enough to achieve that time?
Would you change anything about the DPL or GR processes to help achieve that
time?
Thank you for
On 2013-03-12 14:06, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
The Debian ecosystem includes many economical actors, be it companies
or individuals, but we tend to hide those aspects as if they didn't
exist.
I don't think that's quite the case. Perhaps Debian's commercial
partnership/sponsorship/supporter
On 2013-03-12 20:31, Arno Töll wrote:
Moray mostly answered my question already, but if he wants to extend
he's surely invited to elaborate. [...]
So I wonder, will you step back from
maintainer/team activities during your term?
For anyone reading who didn't yet memorise my platform, I wrote
Hello, DPL'ers,
What work will you be doing to continue Zach's efforts to negotiate with
the FSF over Debian's status as a Free Software Distribution?
Will you treat this issue as a priority? Can we expect continued open
dialogue with the FSF on this issue? Would you be willing to help find
the
Le jeudi, 14 mars 2013 13.00:09, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit :
As I see it, one way to do that (which has certainly been proposed already)
would be to have a sort-of DPL guild⁰. It would have these properties¹:
(…)
Damn, I just realised all candidates already addressed the wider board idea
Folklore goes that performing distribution-wide changes in Debian is
hard and time-consuming, due to a couple of reasons: (1) the time needed
to make a decision that affects the whole archive (this is related to
our flat structure, which has many benefits, but surely not that of
providing a clear
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes:
Le mercredi, 13 mars 2013 18.03:36, Russ Allbery a écrit :
For example, I live in the SF Bay Area. Fair market compensation here
for the sort of senior IT person that we would elect DPL is *at least*
$100,000 US per year, and at $100,000, people
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 05:55:33PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
- on the judgement spectrum between there is no inertia in Debian and
that's good and there is a lot of inertia in Debian and that's bad,
where would you put yourself?
Is this a trick question? Where is there is a lot of
Hi Paul,
On 14-03-13 17:21, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
Hello, DPL'ers,
What work will you be doing to continue Zach's efforts to negotiate
with the FSF over Debian's status as a Free Software Distribution?
For those of us who've been living with their head in the sand (or so
it appears), can
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:05:14AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
Is this a trick question? Where is there is a lot of inertia in Debian and
that's good on this spectrum? ;-)
Maybe it's a trick question, maybe not :-) But if the spectrum is too
shallow, by all means add to it as many dimensions
Hi,
On 12/03/13 at 12:06 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Hi,
my previous mail targeted the topic of using Debian's money
(20130312094330.ga30...@x230-buxy.home.ouaza.com). But the topic
of money in Debian does not have to be limited to that.
The Debian ecosystem includes many economical
On 14/03/13 at 20:13 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Btw, in the specific example of your book, have
you considered creating a Debian package for it?
Oops, I missed http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/debian-handbook
Excellent!
Lucas
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On 13/03/13 at 11:56 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 01:31:08PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
For example, I would question whether one could do the role of DPL with a
conventional full-time job in IT, at least if you want to keep any other
hobbies outside of those two
On 2013-03-14 17:10, MJ Ray wrote:
How much time do you think voters should spend reading these
discussions?
I really don't think that voters should feel obliged to read them at
all.
With the benefit of some hindsight, do you feel that you are being
concise enough to achieve that time?
On 14/03/13 at 14:10 +, MJ Ray wrote:
Dear candidates,
How much time do you think voters should spend reading these discussions?
Dear questioners,
How much time do you think DPL candidates should spend answering those
questions? :)
More seriously, I find most of the
On 14/03/13 at 19:14 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
Hi Paul,
On 14-03-13 17:21, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
Hello, DPL'ers,
What work will you be doing to continue Zach's efforts to negotiate
with the FSF over Debian's status as a Free Software Distribution?
For those of us who've
Hi,
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013, Moray Allan wrote:
On 2013-03-12 14:06, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
The Debian ecosystem includes many economical actors, be it companies
or individuals, but we tend to hide those aspects as if they didn't
exist.
I don't think that's quite the case. Perhaps Debian's
Hi,
On 14/03/13 at 12:21 -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
Hello, DPL'ers,
What work will you be doing to continue Zach's efforts to negotiate with
the FSF over Debian's status as a Free Software Distribution?
Will you treat this issue as a priority? Can we expect continued open
dialogue
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 09:34:10PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Put this in contrast with the Linux Kernel community. There must be a
reason why companies are so shy when it comes to Debian...
In the Linux Kernel community there is a virtuous culture of measuring
company contributions, which
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:39:17PM +0300, Moray Allan wrote:
It appears to me that some DPLs^Wpeople may merely be asking questions
that they find interesting and would like to see discussed. While
it's nice to see these polite discussions of big issues for Debian, I
would suggest that some
On 2013-03-12 23:06, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
On 03/12/2013 06:37 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
That said, it's not clear to me how you plan to achieve them. Being
the DPL doesn't grant you more time to implement them yourself and
your influence as DPL is limited.
[...]
How do you expect to push your
On 14/03/13 at 17:55 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Folklore goes that performing distribution-wide changes in Debian is
hard and time-consuming, due to a couple of reasons: (1) the time needed
to make a decision that affects the whole archive (this is related to
our flat structure, which
On 2013-03-13 02:57, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Since both of you want examples of possible uses of money, here you
have
some that I quickly came up with:
1/ Grant some amount of money to the release team to offer as
bounties on
release blocker issues that are not going forward.
I wouldn't be
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:00:48AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
On 12/03/13 at 10:43 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
To other candidates, do you believe that we could benefit from using money
for other things than hardware and meeting/travel reimbursment? If yes,
what kind of things?
[ I
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
What work will you be doing to continue Zach's efforts to negotiate with
the FSF over Debian's status as a Free Software Distribution?
Will you treat this issue as a priority? Can we expect continued open
dialogue with the FSF on this
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