Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Gergely Nagy wrote: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: Arno Töll a...@debian.org writes: In fact, even the wiki says Becoming a Debian Developer: You should be a Debian Maintainer for six months before applying to the Debian New Member Process [1]. That's somewhat different to the

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 16/03/13 at 22:13 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hello, while reviewing the vote that introduced the Debian Maintainer status in 2007 (http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_003_tally.txt) I noticed that Lucas voted in favor and that Moray voted against it. Moray, why did you vote

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 18/03/13 at 00:20 +0300, Moray Allan wrote: I am not happy that: - People have gone for DM status because it's easier to get, but then not gone on to become project members, in many more cases than because they actively don't want to have full rights. Or because the perceived difficulty

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:56:16AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Also, the wiki has pages for http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDeveloper but also for http://wiki.debian.org/DebianProjectMember that says: Debian Developers are Debian Project Member with uploading rights As observed in the past, the

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Gergely Nagy
Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com writes: Gergely Nagy wrote: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: Arno Töll a...@debian.org writes: In fact, even the wiki says Becoming a Debian Developer: You should be a Debian Maintainer for six months before applying to the Debian New Member

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:32:09AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:56:16AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Also, the wiki has pages for http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDeveloper but also for http://wiki.debian.org/DebianProjectMember that says: Debian Developers are

[all candidates] lack of women in Debian

2013-03-18 Thread Mònica Ramírez Arceda
Hi, I would like to know your opinion about this graph (thanks Francesca!): http://blog.zouish.org/posts/dw/ Note that I'm not asking for a way to recruit women (there are already efforts on that). I would like to know if you think that this lack of women affects (or not) the Debian project and

Re: not being elected?

2013-03-18 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:41:05PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Tasks I am quite sure I will do are: (...) - investigate the localization of -mentors@ and #-mentors. Language is often a barrier for new contributors. That sounds like a low-hanging fruit. Could you elaborate more since you

[to all candidates] Accessible software in Debian

2013-03-18 Thread Mario Lang
Hi. To make a rather complicated and long story short: Accessibility of graphical user interfaces in Debian has taken a slight step backward with the GNOME 3 rewrite. Squeeze was more stable regarding this. While discussing this topic on IRC with other Debian people I was kind of shocked to

Re: not being elected?

2013-03-18 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Hi Moray, Le dimanche, 17 mars 2013 16.42:34, Moray Allan a écrit : Will not being elected de-motivate you? In many ways, not being elected would be a relief. I'd have more time to put into non-Debian parts of my life. However, if I am not elected, I would see that as a lack of

Re: not being elected?

2013-03-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 18/03/13 at 12:03 +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:41:05PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Tasks I am quite sure I will do are: (...) - investigate the localization of -mentors@ and #-mentors. Language is often a barrier for new contributors. That sounds like a

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Jonathan, On 18-03-13 08:49, Jonathan Nieder wrote: [...DM status before entering NM...] I do not even agree that it is useful as a stepping stone. DM privileges recognize that a contributor should not have to wait on a DD to apply improvements within a specific domain where the DM has

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 18/03/13 at 18:45 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:32:09AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:56:16AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Also, the wiki has pages for http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDeveloper but also for

[all candidates] how to choose Jessie init system

2013-03-18 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
Some of the longest -devel thread in recent years have been about Debian's (default) init system: SysV, SystemD, Upstart, OpenRC, etc. Despite folklore, I don't think those thread have been (entirely) trollish, they all hint at a concrete problem: How do we make an inherently archive-wide

Re: [to all candidates] Accessible software in Debian

2013-03-18 Thread Thomas Preud'homme
Le lundi 18 mars 2013 12:37:15, Mario Lang a écrit : Hi. To make a rather complicated and long story short: Accessibility of graphical user interfaces in Debian has taken a slight step backward with the GNOME 3 rewrite. Squeeze was more stable regarding this. [SNIP justified rant about

Re: not being elected?

2013-03-18 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 01:30:28PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: At least for debian-devel-french@, I don't think that we advertise the possibility to ask questions there. Just start a discussion there, get a new wording and then ask listmasters to change it. Probably this update could benefit

Re: [to all candidates] Accessible software in Debian

2013-03-18 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 01:55:16PM +0100, Thomas Preud'homme wrote: As just said I don't have any peticuliar disabilities myself right now, but I wholeheartedly agree that accessibility is important and should be important for the project. Thanks a lot for this question to the

Re: Debian's relationship with money and the economy

2013-03-18 Thread Jonathan Corbet
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:07:39 +0100 Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote: For example, LWN's regular stats on contributions to the various Linux Kernel releases are based on email domains. So it seems unfair to compare the two worlds on the basis of which email domains are used when

Re: not being elected?

2013-03-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 18/03/13 at 14:00 +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 01:30:28PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: At least for debian-devel-french@, I don't think that we advertise the possibility to ask questions there. Just start a discussion there, get a new wording and then ask

Re: not being elected?

2013-03-18 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 03:54:20PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: But despite being a small group of people working a lot on it and the Spanish speaking community being big, it didn't last long. [ after seeking clarification: it didn't last long because there were not enough people

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-18 12:45, Charles Plessy wrote: Perhaps the candidates can comment on the fact that this already been raised last year http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/07/msg00716.html I didn't see this subthread at the time. From reading it, I can't understand why no one who took

Re: not being elected?

2013-03-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes: As far as I'm concerned, I'm not voting between three distinct sets of proposals: as it's been apparent in other threads, there's quite a lot of overlap between the candidate platforms and their specific proposals. We are electing someone to stand

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread MJ Ray
Moray Allan mo...@sermisy.org On 2013-03-18 12:45, Charles Plessy wrote: Perhaps the candidates can comment on the fact that this already been raised last year http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/07/msg00716.html I didn't see this subthread at the time. From reading it,

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

2013-03-18 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Wouter Verhelst wrote: That's a good thing for everyone; and it also explains why occasionally the NM frontdesk will waive this policy for people who are 'obviously' ready to become a Debian Developer *now* rather than in six months:

Re: [to all candidates] Accessible software in Debian

2013-03-18 Thread Vincent Cheng
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 4:37 AM, Mario Lang ml...@delysid.org wrote: Hi. To make a rather complicated and long story short: Accessibility of graphical user interfaces in Debian has taken a slight step backward with the GNOME 3 rewrite. Squeeze was more stable regarding this. [snip] Slightly

Re: [all candidates] lack of women in Debian

2013-03-18 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-18 13:23, Mònica Ramírez Arceda wrote: I would like to know your opinion about this graph (thanks Francesca!): http://blog.zouish.org/posts/dw/ It's disappointing for me that the numbers compared to men are still so low, and things are even worse if you look only at active project

Re: All candidates: Development and technical issues and challenges

2013-03-18 Thread anarcat
On 2013-03-11, Moray Allan wrote: When to release: I would also note that we should continue to be flexible about -ignore tags where appropriate. In some cases leaving a package in the release with RC bugs is more useful to users than removing it altogether. Indeed, we always release with

[all candidates] beyond tech: how do you deal with humans?

2013-03-18 Thread anarcat
On 2013-03-18, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I'd like to know how the candidates would approach the problem of *helping Debian* making a decision on this matter; decision which we will likely have to make at the beginning of Jessie's release cycle. Personally, I'm not particularly interested in