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details about the debate
format at the end of the coming week.
0. You can use
date -d '19 Mar 2005 23:00 +0'
to find out the exact time in your timezone.
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#debian-dpl-debate:
#debian-dpl-discuss:
... on the Freenode network (accessible via irc.debian.org:6667).
Sorry for the noise, and my failure to mention that in my first
post.
As before: details to follow at the end
, and who have gathered so much experience that I cannot even
grasp the extent. Maybe this issue is a psychological one on my end,
but it seems to prevail with a bunch of other developers too.
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can be collected, for everyone to be
able to see? Sort of like the bug tracking system?
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smash cakes into their faces.
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excluded from the inner circle.
I know the reason why these are restricted, which is mainly
security. It's certainly not obscurity, but that's what is
perceivable. I hope I am making sense.
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as they see fit.
Let the games begin!
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, they get
flamed and blacklisted.
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for or against
you. :_)
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it. After all, every additional +w account increases the
possibility of our archive becoming trojaned or the like. See the
above link.
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PS: I do not admit nor deny that I am facing this kind of issues.
Wow, we're being politically correct here. :)
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believe that
Debian is also in a position to make the world a better place by
asking upstreams to rethink. Or am I being completely naïve here?
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sensible of you!
-- Mrs Banks in «Mary Poppins»
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proposal differ from Adeodato's?
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Developer adeodato at debian.org
Ara que ets la meva dona, te la fotré fins a la melsa, bacona!
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for interpretation. We are possibly asking for more trouble
with this, IMHO. Please do not be angry if I do not second it.
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a joke on you and
you'd still run. :)
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kill ugly radio
to hear
from a potential leader. Did you mean it as such and have nothing to
say about the current state of Debian-Ubuntu?
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for what's going on and needs not wait
for someone to alert him/her, especially in a topic as relevant as
Ubuntu.
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about what's going on, and I do not think it was
a fiasco.
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to an unrecoverable level.
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copy
communication, it does seem like more DSA are needed.
As DPL I'd ask them directly what how they feel about that.
... and you won't if you don't become DPL?
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and intellectual property)
+ that includes the commitments those organisations have made as
+ to how those assets will be handled.
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in time (and to allow us a successful planning of that).
on behalf of the kernel- and release team
Frederik Schueler
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(section 4.1.1) and am
seeking seconds for this proposal.
*Not* seconded.
What the heck are you guys doing??? Let's release etch, please ffs.
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security at micro$oft: how do we secure a billion
to swim to the surface again.
Please cut it.
About trends in Debian: thank $DEITY there are some. I'd hate to be
part of a project that stagnates.
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of etch instead of this kindergarten bullshit.
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the problem directly.
Would you not agree that this affects the risk assessment?
Fortunately, nobody is talking about employing release managers.
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J)
From: martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:56:38 +0200
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My key has been
stop wasting time and get back to work.
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NP: Porcupine Tree / Coma Divine
is looking for ways to shake up the
project before we rust or lose touch with reality.
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vote equal or lower than
the default option, it doesn't add to the quorum.
So is there a difference between not voting and voting all options
equal?
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my experience
also sprach [2007.02.10.1522 +]:
I hereby nominate myself for the position of Debian Project Leader in
the DPL elections of 2007.
Are you trying to tell us something by leaving out the From header?
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Which of the candidates, if elected, would finally get me the ponies
I've been craving for years?
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procedure defined in the Debian constitution,
and cannot vote in Debian elections.
Debian Maintainers Proposal
Seconds, comments or amendments appreciated.
Cheers,
aj
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in Debian elections.
Debian Maintainers Proposal
Seconds, comments or amendments appreciated.
Cheers,
aj
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? If yes, then someone
should propose a GR to revert the changes GR_2004_003 rather than
pretending that everything is hunky dory.
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you don't sew with a fork, so I see no reason
to eat
but suggestions
and could not be enacted without the developer collective agreeing.
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[ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided
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and potentially reshapes the whole project, and thus the
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es ist gut, eine sache doppelt auszudrücken und
will be working on this full-time (…
which would be a whole different issue…)?
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minchinhampton (n
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sed -e '/^[when][coders]/!d' \
-e '/^...[discover].$/d' \
-e '/^..[real].[code]$/!d
Neil,
in your platform, you advocate PPAs and modernising our build and
infrastructure.
What's the DPL's role in this? Or, put differently, couldn't you
just start working on this without the DPL hat? Why not? What's the
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.¹
Can you please elaborate on some of the goals beyond the OS you
think we should pursue and sketch how you think you could get the
project members to follow along?
¹) https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2014/08/threads.html#00093
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, I'd
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the only thing that sustains one
and
a lot of work on our behalf, but it should definitely be possible to
create this cash flow, especially if it were a project decision and
delegated to a few.
¹) https://www.debian.org/partners/
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around… or how do you want to
sustainably fund 2 Outreachy slots per year (beyond each DPL term)?
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, and all other ways and aspects of recruiting
need active management. At the moment, a few people are working hard
to keep up, but to build a team, we'd need to give it a perspective,
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Why not proceeding step by step instead of trying to build up big plans
even before we start?
We've started.
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with them simply pinging TOs for
data, and not getting replies.
Let's assume they'd be wasting time pinging TOs for data and not
getting replies. What would you do in that case?
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intend to spend more than surplus, which at the moment you
could. What about next year's DPL, or the year after that?
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(for example) confirmed earlier.
How are you going to finance this sustainably?
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i must get out
Dear candidates,
What is your perception of DebConf and its organisation?
If any, what changes would you like to implement?
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Question(s) to all candidates:
What is your perception of fundraising in and around Debian?
If anything, what changes would you like to help implement?
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Voting period starts Wed Apr 1 00:00:00 UTC 2015
Votes must be received by Tue Apr 14 23:59:59 UTC 2015
Or just go with a standard:
2015-04-01 00:00:00 UTC
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more money than
we can reasonably use towards the improvement of Debian.
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but it is
>undesirable.
>
>Fix this with the following semantically neutral amendment:
>
> - Renumber the first section A.1 to A.0.
>
>
>- GENERAL RESOLUTION ENDS -
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also sprach Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org [2015-08-26 22:12 +0200]:
we (as the Technical Committee) have encountered two bugs in the
constitution which we like to fix. For this reason, I propose the
following General Resolution to change the constitution.
Seconded.
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epost turtle" to e.g. George W. Bush or Sarah
> Palin.
It's not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-by-one_error
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t mean the constitutionally assigned roles, but
those decisions which the DPL wouldn't defer to someone who knows
better already? For if there weren't many of those, another
consideration would be just to get rid of the DPL position and
spread powers wider and closer to where the work is being
ject by GR prior to
>declassification.
>
> 3. In keeping with paragraph 3 of the Debian Social Contract, Debian
>Developers are strongly encouraged to use the debian-private mailing
>list only for discussions that should not be disclosed.
>
> === END GR TEXT ===
foundations, such a change must be announced and can
only be put into effect following a four week period during which no
opposing GR has been launched.
Thanks,
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also sprach Kurt Roeckx <k...@roeckx.be> [2016-07-08 16:09 +0200]:
> Would it make sense to either have this as separate option,
> not modifying the Chainman or as seperate GR?
I've been convinced last night that my amendment is not needed, so
let's just leave it.
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> Chairperson?
Seriously… are we going to debate this now? Let's just vote and be
done with it. Please. With a cherry.
Btw, we've had DebConf Chairs too and nobody complained.
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e
> material being declassified.
> 3. Participants are reminded to use -private only when necessary.
>
> ============
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ug along turning
a blind eye to the fact that you'll never get there.
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"the thought of s
n a bit if I do. I guess
one way to frame it would be to consider the difference between
decision-making processes in crafting a Debian release vs. making
a meetup happen.
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allow you to measure your success in making "a meaningful and
lasting impact" during your tenure?
Thanks,
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ects still on-going?
Thanks,
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dies ist eine manuell generierte email. sie beinhaltet
tippfeh
at is your perception of the DebConf code of conduct and incidence
response?
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"eine s
expedite
finding creative solutions to these as well.
Are you aware of any such blockers in the past?
Where do you think does the existing culture come from? How do you
plan to "change culture"?
Thanks,
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?
- Can you identify ways in which we may be a bit blinded by our
own claims?
- How important is the strive towards "universality", and why?
- In what ways do you think does it obstruct us?
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