Re: [all candidates] DPL salary

2013-03-16 Thread Gergely Nagy
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: Due to time and travel demands, there are blockers in being DPLs. Most of them are work related. Within that category of blockers, some could be solved by a salary but many (according to your judgement) could not. If we agree on this, it means that

Re: [all candidates] DPL salary

2013-03-14 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:03:36AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I know this question isn't particularly aimed at me, but I'll answer anyway: I really don't think that would help most of the time. I'm clearly not particularly good at posing trick question to the candidates; aj was much better than

Re: [all candidates] DPL salary

2013-03-14 Thread Moray Allan
Stefano asked: The ground shaking question to all candidates is then: what do you think of providing a DPL salary using Debian funds? Here are some comments on a few of the aspects that worry me about this idea. Some could be addressed by making other changes, but some seem more

Re: [all candidates] DPL salary

2013-03-14 Thread Enrico Zini
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 08:50:33AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Due to time and travel demands, there are blockers in being DPLs. Most of them are work related. Within that category of blockers, some could be solved by a salary but many (according to your judgement) could not. If we agree

Re: [all candidates] DPL salary

2013-03-14 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Hi Russ, while I do agree with the rest of your post, there's one part which I'm not sure to understand correctly: Le mercredi, 13 mars 2013 18.03:36, Russ Allbery a écrit : For example, I live in the SF Bay Area. Fair market compensation here for the sort of senior IT person that we would

Leadership in Debian (was Re: [all candidates] DPL salary)

2013-03-14 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-14 13:10, Enrico Zini wrote: We've definitely come to expect too much from a DPL, and we need to break that up. [...] Thanks. Your message explains better what I've mentioned, that (even ignoring the associated problems) I don't see it as healthy for us to push for a DPL with

Re: [all candidates] DPL salary

2013-03-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes: Le mercredi, 13 mars 2013 18.03:36, Russ Allbery a écrit : For example, I live in the SF Bay Area. Fair market compensation here for the sort of senior IT person that we would elect DPL is *at least* $100,000 US per year, and at $100,000, people

Re: [all candidates] DPL salary

2013-03-14 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 13/03/13 at 11:56 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 01:31:08PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: For example, I would question whether one could do the role of DPL with a conventional full-time job in IT, at least if you want to keep any other hobbies outside of those two

Re: [all candidates] DPL salary

2013-03-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: I totally agree with you and I'm worried about that. I've been lucky in having the flexibility needed to be DPL and I wish the same flexibility to the next DPL. But, in terms of Debian sustainability, I'm worried that we de facto rely on people

Re: [all candidates] DPL salary

2013-03-13 Thread Gergely Nagy
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 01:31:08PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: For example, I would question whether one could do the role of DPL with a conventional full-time job in IT, at least if you want to keep any other hobbies outside of those two jobs. The