Re: To Lucas: how do you plan to push your ideas
On 2013-03-12 23:06, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: On 03/12/2013 06:37 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: That said, it's not clear to me how you plan to achieve them. Being the DPL doesn't grant you more time to implement them yourself and your influence as DPL is limited. [...] How do you expect to push your agenda for the project? I do wonder why your question is for lucas specifically? It would be interesting to hear other candidates on this too. I have tried to avoid basing my platform directly on anything that would require existing delegates to make specific actions with respect to delegated areas (or, equivalently, that would imply the replacement of delegates if they don't agree). I do make statements about general ways that I would like delegates, and other members of Debian teams, to behave, as well as mentioning some areas for possible new delegations, or expansions of existing ones. I give a few examples of things I'd like to see happen, as views rather than promises, in the Specific ideas subsection. I have similarly tried to avoid including too much that would be nice but that isn't related to the DPL position or more generally to coordination of Debian. For example, I think it would be nice to have a DVCS containing up-to-date source for all Debian packages, but I can't really state that me becoming DPL would make it happen more quickly. Looking through my platform: Delegation and teams: in part constitutional powers, in part influence/persuasion, in part aspiration. External communications: delegation/recruitment. Coordination/mediation, Internal communication, Local communications, Fundraising and spending, Merging from the DebConf branch: in part directly related to DPL powers about delegations and money-handling; for other parts no special powers are required in principle, but these are much more likely to be successful with the DPL's voice behind them and backed up by delegations. -- Moray -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5abd558cf1ee8fbb1b126c5e67958...@www.morayallan.com
Re: To Lucas: how do you plan to push your ideas
On 03/12/2013 06:37 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hello Lucas, I've read your platform and I share your 5-years goals and I agree on most of the suggested intermediary goals to bring us closer to the long term goals. That said, it's not clear to me how you plan to achieve them. Being the DPL doesn't grant you more time to implement them yourself and your influence as DPL is limited. You said “at least you know what I consider the most important, and where I would push”. How do you expect to push your agenda for the project? I do wonder why your question is for lucas specifically? It would be interesting to hear other candidates on this too. Do you plan to recruit minions^WDPL helpers to work on each of the sub-goals? Not replying for him but his platform mentions that. Maybe you should read it? Cheers, -- Mehdi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513f8abf.6000...@dogguy.org
Re: To Lucas: how do you plan to push your ideas
On 12/03/13 at 18:37 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hello Lucas, I've read your platform and I share your 5-years goals and I agree on most of the suggested intermediary goals to bring us closer to the long term goals. That said, it's not clear to me how you plan to achieve them. Being the DPL doesn't grant you more time to implement them yourself and your influence as DPL is limited. You said “at least you know what I consider the most important, and where I would push”. How do you expect to push your agenda for the project? Do you plan to recruit minions^WDPL helpers to work on each of the sub-goals? Before addressing the core of your question: as I said in https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2013/03/msg00072.html, I'm not a big fan of the DPL helpers name (and no, minions is not better :) ) First, even if being DPL would not grant more time to implement my ideas, it could increase efficiency a bit: if I'm elected, it's likely that DD will consider requests related to the goals listed in my platform with slightly more attention. But I fully agree that it's no enough. That's where the DPL helpers / Debian Driving Force come to help. Yes, I will recruit people to work on those goals. I will organize discussions (on mailing lists, and during IRC meetings) towards achieving those goals: reviewing and providing feedback on possible implementation plans, discussing locks and how to overcome them, and then doing regular status updates, and looking for more volunteers to help if needed. Sure, some goals might not get done. Is that bad? maybe. But it might also indicate that those goals were not important enough to attract enough volunteers. I just would like to stress two things: - The usual consensus-based decision making processes will of course be applied. - It's not a closed process with a closed list of goals. From my platform: if elected, I will encourage (discussion of) innovative ideas, investigate how the project's resources can be used to support them, and advertise experiments. Of course, such experiments need to include success metrics, and the necessary warnings (no long term guarantee that the experiment will continue, no security support, etc.) Lucas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130312204920.ga10...@xanadu.blop.info
Re: To Lucas: how do you plan to push your ideas
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: I do wonder why your question is for lucas specifically? It would be interesting to hear other candidates on this too. Because I find that Lucas has included more technical and concrete goals than others have done and it's difficult to find volunteers to implement one's ideas. At least that was my feeling, yours might differ and I have no problem if others candidates want to respond to my question. Do you plan to recruit minions^WDPL helpers to work on each of the sub-goals? Not replying for him but his platform mentions that. Maybe you should read it? He mentions the continuation of DPL helpers but as a way to share the workload and to move forward with *their* ideas, which might not necessarily be the same than his own ideas. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog ◈ Debian Developer Get the Debian Administrator's Handbook: → http://debian-handbook.info/get/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130312231813.ga10...@x230-buxy.home.ouaza.com
