Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-11-28 Thread Ma Xiaojun
I strongly support inclusion of MATE. Why not packaging GNOME 2 directly? GNOME 2 and GNOME 3 are not parallel installable. And MATE renamed binaries. Why not GNOME Fallback? It is dropped in GNOME 3.8 It is indeed different from GNOME 2, though non-heavy users may not notice the difference. It

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-11-15 Thread Pekka Sarnila
It is so unfortunate that this matter has become so emotional. No wonder. The gnome people worked so hard to create what they believe to be even better desktop. And Linux community's response was overwhelmingly negative (including public and rather outspoken statements by major Linux

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-10-21 Thread Stefano Karapetsas
Il 2012-10-21 01:15 Josselin Mouette ha scritto: Most issues people have with GNOME 3 “classic” usually boil down to “the panel is black instead of grey”. I dont think so. There are a lot of differences between MATE and GNOME fallback. Some examples: the new layout of all applications with

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-10-20 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hello, I would like to support the inclusion of MATE in Debian. While I'm not sure whether MATE is ready yet for the inclusion in Debian due to the aforementioned issues (plus the MATE Debian packages aren't aware of Multi-Arch), I am confident that bringing MATE to Debian would be a wise choice.

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-10-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 20 octobre 2012 à 19:05 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz a écrit : We have recently started to deploy Debian Wheezy on some of the machines to be able to do some testing in the real world. Unfortunately, the feedback we received regarding GNOME3 so far is mostly negative.

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-10-20 Thread Dr. David Alan Gilbert
* Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) wrote: Most issues people have with GNOME 3 ???classic??? usually boil down to ???the panel is black instead of grey???. Mine are generally more of the larger scale; things like not being able to do 2d arrays of desktops any more, options I use being

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-08-01 Thread Oz Nahum Tiram
Hi Dimitry, Even worse, this will increase the incompatibility between different desktops. For example, an app making use of gconftool-2 will not work when there's mateconftool-2 in the system instead. Is this said from experience??? I have no problem using gnome apps along side with

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-07-24 Thread Dmitry Shachnev
I agree with Josselin here. There is no point in forking gconf and other libraries. Even worse, this will increase the incompatibility between different desktops. For example, an app making use of gconftool-2 will not work when there's mateconftool-2 in the system instead. If you want to fix a

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-04-06 Thread Dr. David Alan Gilbert
I'd like to support the proposal to package MATE. While I agree there is code duplication, that's obviously something that will take some time to remove, however I also believe it's important not to wait until it's cleaned. There are many users who do not want to change their desktop from their

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-02-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 00:53 +0100, Stefano Karapetsas a écrit : Many users are using it well. Now that this is enough stable, I begun the process for ask the inclusion in Debian. The first package is mate-common. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=658783 (ITP)

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-02-08 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
On 08/02/12 09:55, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 00:53 +0100, Stefano Karapetsas a écrit : Many users are using it well. Now that this is enough stable, I begun the process for ask the inclusion in Debian. The first package is mate-common.

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-02-08 Thread Stefano Karapetsas
Il 2012-02-08 11:44 Mehdi Dogguy ha scritto: On 08/02/12 09:55, Josselin Mouette wrote: MATE introduces a lot of code duplication, which is considered bad in Debian, and is based on obsolete technologies - not just GTK2, which will of course remain for a long time, but also things like Bonobo

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-02-08 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
On 08/02/12 14:05, Stefano Karapetsas wrote: I saw some gnome design team mockups of all applications, and I find its far from GNOME2. Then, why don't you help them? (It is easier than re-packaging and maintaining Gnome2). Regards, -- Mehdi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-02-08 Thread Stefano Karapetsas
Il 2012-02-08 14:23 Mehdi Dogguy ha scritto: I saw some gnome design team mockups of all applications, and I find its far from GNOME2. Then, why don't you help them? (It is easier than re-packaging and maintaining Gnome2). Regards, I just answered before. GNOME3 is a completely different

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-02-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 14:05 +0100, Stefano Karapetsas a écrit : Yeah. In our roadmap there is the dismissal of the obsolete libraries, like the replacement of MateConf (the fork of GConf) with GSettings, and so on. Sorry but what is the point of *forking* GConf? What does it bring,

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-02-08 Thread Stefano Karapetsas
Il 2012-02-08 14:41 Josselin Mouette ha scritto: Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 14:05 +0100, Stefano Karapetsas a écrit : Yeah. In our roadmap there is the dismissal of the obsolete libraries, like the replacement of MateConf (the fork of GConf) with GSettings, and so on. Sorry but what is the

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-02-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 14:52 +0100, Stefano Karapetsas a écrit : GConf is deprecated. MateConf is born to have a temporary solution until we choose the replacement for it. GConf is deprecated, but it is still maintained. It is still used e.g. by evolution. I don’t see the point of

Bug#658783: MATE Desktop Environment in Debian

2012-02-08 Thread Stefano Karapetsas
Il 2012-02-08 15:23 Josselin Mouette ha scritto: GConf is deprecated, but it is still maintained. It is still used e.g. by evolution. I don’t see the point of renaming it, starting another daemon, and whatnot, if you provide the same functionality. If you want to keep maintaining GConf for