Addition to mailing list code of conduct as discussed on debian-user?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

[I suggested the following: somebody else thought it a good idea - Andy]
Agreed. It may be a good idea to add to the mailing lists code of 
conduct a couple of extra lines:

---

A lot of questions asked on debian-user and debian-devel are asked 
regularly. Please consider searching using an Internet search engine
and reading the mailing list archives, Debian install notes and Debian 
reference manual before you post. If you can't find the answer, it is 
very helpful to others to show that you have attempted at least some of 
the above and your degree of success.

If you have a problem, please be prepared to give hardware/installed 
software and version information if requested to as part of the process 
of problem resolution.

Politeness and precision in use of language both help to narrow down 
issues and constrain extraneous discussions and flame wars. If tempted 
to start or continue contentions threads, please consider moving these
to private email or to debian-curiosa. Both debian-user and debian-devel
are high-volume lists read by people worldwide: consideration should be 
given to the fact that the views and attitudes of others may differ from 
your own.

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Re: debian

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Dec 06, 2020 at 05:43:54PM +, Joshua Hagler wrote:
> I have an old 32 bit system on a laptop. Do you happen to have an older 
> version for that system?

This list is primarily used for the people who run Debian's web presence. Your
question might be better asked on the debian-user list.

It will depend on the processor used in the laptop: Intel/AMD compatibility
now requires better than a Pentium class processor. [Coincidentally, there
is a thread over on Linux Weekly News (lwn.net) about precisely this topic at
the moment.

It will also depend very much on how much memory your laptop supports. In 
general, using older Debian versions that are now out of support is not
recommended.

All the very best

Andy

Re: Firefox ESR with NPAPI

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Dec 03, 2020 at 02:48:44PM +, John Jefferson Calixto Martins wrote:
> could you send me this version of firefox? 
> (firefox-esr_52.8.1esr-1_deb8u1_arm64.deb) I always downloaded it from the 
> link below (it was even saved in my favorites).:
> https://packages.debian.org/jessie/arm64/firefox-esr/download
> firefox-esr_52.8.1esr-1_deb8u1_arm64.deb
> 
> However the Url is no longer valid and I don't have any copies of this 
> package, and I can't find it anywhere on the internet either. I need this 
> package because it is one of the latest versions that support NPAPI. If you 
> can make the file available to me, I will save it in the cloud (so you don't 
> risk losing this rare file).
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Enviado do Outlook

You might want to look on snapshot.debian.org - maybe

https://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-security/20180608T190620Z/pool/updates/main/f/firefox-esr/firefox-esr_52.8.1esr-1%7Edeb8u1_arm64.deb

Hope this helps,

Andy C

Re: My personal data in bug=956811, Message #51

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 12:54:20AM +0100, Riccardo Gagliarducci wrote:
> I accidentally have sent an email from my work email to to bug report here:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=956811
> 
> ...with all my personal data!
> 
> 
> Is there a way to remove it?
> 
> Thank you very much,
> Riccardo
> 

Unfortunately, no. We don't normally remove bug reports until they are dealt
with. In general, there is no way to remove email from Debian lists - they
are archived and mirrored in various places on the 'Net - Google will 
probably cache them somewhere. In general - once any data is out there on the
Internet, it cannot reliably be deleted.

A larger problem is that raising the issue draws wider attention to it. This
is sometimes called the "Streisand effect"  see also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

> 
> ps. in alioth-lists.debian.net has already been deleted!
> 

All the very best, as ever,

Andrew Cater

URLchecker fixes for the partners pages

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

Folks,

There are a whole lot of pages which fail the URLchecker for https or because
companies etc. have moved.

A lot of these are common - looking at, for example, 
https://www.master.debian.org/build-logs/urlcheck/partners.en - there's
a lot of entries which would be fixed by single edits.

This _shouldn't_ have effects on translated pages - would anybody object
if I started the process of clearing the errors - to include the pages 
identified by year?

There's also the point that a lot of CD and image mirrors have also 
disappeared over the years and could do with tidying up.

All advice gratefully received

All the very best,

Andy Cater

Using urlcheck - how many broken links should we accept?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

Folks,

Looking at the output of urlcheck:

There are lots of websites that return error codes. There are still lots
where an http -> https substitution would solve a missing website.

There are lots of apparent errors where, in fact, it's just a directory level
move - https://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/urlcheck/MailingLists

How much breakage should we accept for old sites / sites that have been
renamed or simply no longer exist?

For, for example, DPL nominations on debian-vote which list resume information
/ university "stuff" - is it worth going to fix old links?

I'm very wary of global search and replace through all of the webwml. How 
much checking should we devote to seeing whether websites exist or still
resolve?

All opinions gratefully received.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy C.

Re: Bug#983831: Dead link at https://www.debian.org/consultants/

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

Fixed by git commit to consultants.data - https for callpaul.eu

Re: Bug#983833: Dead link at https://www.debian.org/consultants/

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

Fixed by editing consultant.data and commit

Re: Bug#983833: Dead link at https://www.debian.org/consultants/

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

Fixed by git commit to consultants.data to fix http to https for samsul maarif

Re: ubuntu server or debian?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Mar 08, 2021 at 09:20:01AM +0100, Wepted wrote:
> why debian

This might better be asked on the debian-user list : debian-www is primarily
for problems with the web pages / Debian web presence.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy C.

Re: I Have a question? A idea? Raspberry Pi 4B 64-Bit

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 12:14:54AM +0200, Yeshua Immanuel Ben David Hamachiach 
wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> i have a Raspberry Pi 4b 8gb...
> 
> Give it a Debian Version compatible with 32/64bit Processors...

You can run either Debian 32 bit armhf software or arm64 64 bit software.
In practice, you'd probably run 64 bit software on a 64 bit processor on
Pi4b.

> 
> Can you build a Debian OS for all Raspberry Pi Processors 32 and 64 Bit
> version in one Operating System
> 

With some difficulty: in effect, it would be easier to limit everything to 
32 bits which is the common factor for all. Pi Zero won't run 64 bits. Some
Pi2 and all Pi3 and above will run 64 bits quite happily. Hardware for 
early Pis is _NOT_ compatible with the Debian armhf archive: Raspbian had
to be rebuilt.

> Can you build into OS a Emulation Software in Debian for emulation x86/amd64
> processors to open and install PC Programs x86/amd64 Processors on Raspberry
> Pi 4b ARM64 Processor

You can but it would be so slow as to be unusable. Debian builds the same
software for arm64 and amd64 (with a few small exceptions) so you could
run exactly the same software on both systems. Emulation always imposes a 
performance penalty - for a Pi 4b, this might be extreme.
> 
> Can you build  into OS a VMWARE for install x86/amd64 Operating Systems on
> Raspberry Pi
> 

Not straightforwardly: kvm/qemu can be used to emulate ARM systems on more
powerful AMD64 systems.

> Can you build a windows and Dos Emulation for start DOS  and Windows
> Programs, Tools und Games on Linux with x86/amd64 Processor Emulation on
> Raspberry Pi ARM64.

You can get Windows for ARM from Microsoft: it has been made to run on a
Raspberry Pi. Again, emulation is not really feasible and the two versions
of Windows cannot run each others programs.
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> 
> Daniel Frank Nommensen
> 
> 004917652063045
> 
> 
Better asked on debian-user but answers posted here so that they are
findable/searchable in the event of a similar query.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Cinnamon?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 08:03:27AM +0800, learnpastsole wrote:
> Debian-www,
> 
> Such fantastic [news], just a pickle, what about Cinnamon? It [is part of]
> the live list?
> 
> Cinnamon 4.??
> Gnome 3.38,
> KDE Plasma 5.20,
> LXDE 11,
> LXQt 0.16,
> MATE 1.24,
> Xfce 4.16.
> 
> 
> [news]: https://www.debian.org/News/2021/20210814
> 
> [is part of]: 
> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.0.0-live+nonfree/amd64/bt-hybrid/
> 
> -- 
> LEARNpastsole
> https://lists.sr.ht/~learnpastsole
> 

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.0.0-amd64-cinnamon+nonfree.iso

would be the file you'd need for a Live DVD including non-free firmware (so
most likely to work if there was problematic firmware / no graphics output).

Debian-www maintain the website - you might want to ask this sort
of question in the debian-user mailing list in future.

With every good wish,

Andy Cater

Re: In Search of Gtk Package Manager Contact Info

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Sep 09, 2021 at 08:06:34AM -0700, ro...@pixelstudiowest.com wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> (Nothing to report in need of change w.r.t. the website.)
> 
> I am looking for Contact Info for a Package Manager, specifically the
> graphics toolkit Gtk Package Manager.
> 
> Can you point me in their direction?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Roark
> Raspberry Pi developer
> 

If you mean Synaptic - https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/synaptic - so you
want Michael Vogt?

Hope this helps - tracker.debian.oprg/pkg/ is really useful

All the very best,

Andy Cater

Re: sources.list for bullseye different sources for security

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Sep 08, 2021 at 05:57:25PM -0700, Mark O'Toole wrote:
> Hi, love debian, not sure this is where I should send this, was
> running bullseye as testing, just moved it over to stable, wanted to
> add the security repos. When i look at:
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
> it says
> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ bullseye-security main
> deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ bullseye-security main
> 
> when i go to
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/errata
> &
> https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBullseye
> both say
> deb https://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main
> 
> it maybe doesn't matter but should it be deb.debian or security.debian?
> 
> Hope this helps or at least helps eliminate potential confusion.
> Mark
> 

deb.debian.org will pick up the CDN which doesn't really care where you are
and will "just redirect" to get you your packages.

security.debian.org is the canonical name for the security mirror.

It doesn't really matter - the errata message points up the change in
format of the line to the new format from Bullseye release.

Hope this helps - there's been a thread in debian-user similarly.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Is distribution archives not managed ?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 04:30:48AM +0900, sebul wrote:
> Hello.
> https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive
> says up to Debian 8
> 
> But, Debian 11 is the latest version.
> 

Debian 9, 10 and 11 are all supported to some degree: 8 is the newest version
that is out of support and thus in the archive.

https://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/

contains 9.13, 10.10 and 11.

This question might be better asked on debian-user: debian-www is used
primarily for problems with the website and for the team maintaining it.

Hope this helps, with every good wish,


Andy Cater

Possible candidates for dead Debian lists?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

People,

I think debian-embedded, debian-jr, debian-knoppix and debian-lex are 
candidates for being listed as dead lists. They seem to be attracting only spam.
We can possibly kill off lists in parallel with getting Bullseye released :)

Thoughts?

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Fwd: discussion re M. Daniel Pocock

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 11:36:24PM +0100, Jean-Marc B. van Schendel wrote:
> (--English translation below--)
> 

Cher Jean-Marc,

Il n'y a rien de plus a dire que 
https://www.debian.org/News/2021/2027.fr.html concernant M. Pocock

> Je viens de prendre connaissance du message concernant M. Daniel Pocock;
> En tant qu'utilisateur régulier de Debian (depuis la version 3), je ne peux
> que m'inquiéter de ce que Debian ait été ainsi "dévié" de son esprit.
> Toutefois, votre article ne mentionne pas quelles versions de Debian ont
> été affectées... Pourriez-vous s'il vous plaît préciser ce détail
> Bien à vous, avec tout le respect dû aux membres du projet...

Amities, comme toujours,

Andrew Cater

> 
> -- English version --
> 

Dear Jean-Marc,

There is nothing further to say beyond
https://www.debian.org/News/2021/2027 concerning Mr. Pocock

> I have just read your message about M. Daniel Pocock.
> As I am a regular user of Debian (since version 3), I may only be afraid
> that the Debian project would have been "deviated" from its mission
> statement.
> Howeveer, your article does not mention which version of Debian were
> affected... Would you please provide more details about this very topic...
> Truly yours, with all due respect to all contributors
> 

Best wishes, as ever,

Andrew Cater

> 
> --jmbvs
> Jean-Marc B. van Schendel
> email: jeanmarc.vanschen...@gmail.com
> voice: +32.(0)474.70.3885
> 
> 
> 
> Garanti
> sans virus. www.avast.com
> 
> <#m_2897918035178846851_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: Desktop Environment

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Jan 03, 2022 at 02:11:37PM -0800, Hello Sir wrote:
> Hello. I  am having a problem trying to get a desktop environment to work
> or get the tasksel command to work even though I am following the
> directions. Is there a way to fix the problem?
> 
> From,
> Matthew

Hi Matthew,

Debian-www is a list for the website. It might be better to raise this
on the debian-user mailing list. We will probably need more information
to be able to narrow down your problem.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: mail

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 06:02:32AM -0500, jose v. reyes wrote:
> Printer in other version was easier than the actual version. MX is easy.
> Printer in Devian is a mess.

Hello Jose,

Can I suggest that you ask a question on the debian-user mailing list 
The language most used on Debian mailing list is English
(or possibly try debian-user-spanish if this is easier for you) ?

Debian-www is principally concerned with maintenance of the Debian web site.

MX Linux is a Debian derivative - they may do things differently there.

With every good wish,

Andy Cater

Re: Download options

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 01:22:11PM -0300, joão pedro souza matos wrote:
> Please make torrent a download option again. Other download options are
> annoying because if tge internet go down few seconds the iso is
> corrupted... Torrent is the best abd most convenient way to download isos.
> Please make it available as soon as possible. I understand that in the USA
> the internet is quicker but in third world countries the internet go down
> often without torrent as download option it is harder to get a good iso...

Like this, you mean - 
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent

I suspect that the torrent feeds for larger images were removed because
they weren't used: lack of use means no-one needs them ...

If you have a Linux system up and running, Jigdo is really useful and 
I would recommend it because you can point it to any Debian mirror anywhere.

This is probably more on topic for debian-cd or debian-user mailing list if 
you have difficulties using the tools..

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater
Andy Cater

Re: Download options

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 06:57:52PM +0100, Holger Wansing wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Am 14. November 2021 14:24:44 MEZ schrieb "Andrew M.A. Cater" 
> :
> >On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 01:22:11PM -0300, joão pedro souza matos wrote:
> >> Please make torrent a download option again. Other download options are
> >> annoying because if tge internet go down few seconds the iso is
> >> corrupted... Torrent is the best abd most convenient way to download isos.
> >> Please make it available as soon as possible. I understand that in the USA
> >> the internet is quicker but in third world countries the internet go down
> >> often without torrent as download option it is harder to get a good iso...
> >
> >Like this, you mean - 
> >https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent
> >
> >I suspect that the torrent feeds for larger images were removed because
> >they weren't used: lack of use means no-one needs them ...
> 
> @Andy:
> So, you think that above torrent is the only existing one (for stable)?
> Could you explain, why you think so?
> 

I was mistaken - I didn't look hard enough. It appears that there is a torrent
for the netinst CD and also for DVD1 for all appropriate architectures. Also
a torrent for the unofficial images which include firmware.

That accords well with the images the media team put out, I think. Jigdo
is still very useful on a slow/interrupted link and I use it for DVDs when
needed.

Hope this helps,

Andy Cater


> 
> @joão:
> Why do you think, that BitTorrent is no longer supported?
> 
> 
> Holger
> 
> -- 
> Sent from /e/ OS on Fairphone3

Re: why debian live testing impossible to find

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Nov 07, 2021 at 02:55:22AM +0100, debiansu...@free.fr wrote:
> hi,
> 
> i'm looking for images of debian testing live,
> in french translated site of debian.org
> 
> navigating...
> but from the page https://www.debian.org/CD/live/
> it's impossible to find hyperlinks to join the right page !!!?

Unfortunately, it's the French translators who have to try and keep 
their links up to date and follow all translation updates. They
could always use extra help. If you find broken links / non-existent
pages, it may be worth talking to them.

> 
> in fact i found the page https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/
> but with duckduckgo !
> but impossible to find with debian.org (in french) hyperlinks !
> 

Separately, the team preparing the live CD images is the one to contact
if live images are not there. The Debian images team are not responsible
for preparing the live CDs or bringing them up to date: it is a separate
team that prepares the live CD images specifcially.

With every good wish,

Andy Cater
> I hope it could help others...
> 
> thanks,
> 
> regards
> 
> sunny
> 

Re: Please turn off automatic downloads when visiting the downloads page

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Dec 02, 2021 at 10:34:23PM +, sr e474 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>I want to download for a different architecture. Add a "Download Now"
> button if you want this functionality available, but please don't assume
> that everyone heading towards the Downloads page automatically wants the
> version you are serving them.
> 
>  Thanks!

Hi,

The "default" download is appropriate for the majority of people using 
Intel/AMD processors but not for others, yes.

There is a prominent link for "other downloads", that will take
you through to all the other architectures and there's always 
https://www.debian.org/CD/

https://www.debian.org/ - More link leads to - 
https://www.debian.org/intro/index#software - Download link there leads to -
https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst

Hope this helps

Andy C.
All the very best, as ever,

Re: Debian data erasure request - from Keno Westhoff - request: 3O4TSE75

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Feb 01, 2022 at 12:16:53PM -0800, mail.k...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Debian (debian.org),
> 
> My name is Keno Westhoff, I've used your service in the past.
> However, I'm now making the conscious decision to reduce my digital
> footprint and as a result I ask you to please delete any personal data of
> mine you have stored on your systems.
> 
> My personal details are:
> 
>- Name: Keno Westhoff
>- Email: mail.k...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> I used Mine's technology to discover my data and send deletion requests
> from my own inbox (see from address).
> Would appreciate a confirmation once my data has been deleted from all your
> company's data sources.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> * Thanks, Keno Westhoff Powered by Mine® Mine Request: 3O4TSE75 *

Debian-www is the lsit for the Debian web pages and webmasters. Insofar
as I'm aware, your data is not held on our website. You have, however,
now recorded your data in our mailing lists.

May I refer you to part of the FAQ from the Debian user mailing list:


* One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is 
  of the form: 
  
  "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email.
   Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail"
  
Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, potentially 
cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to 
ensure that all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this
may only serve to draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater 

Re: Won't Load Img

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 03:09:38PM -0700, kris wrote:
> I get error message at boot time failed to load RTL9382.img
> How do I fix this. Everything seems to work.
>

Hi Kris,

This is a user-level query - maybe follow up to the debian-user mailing list
rather than to debian-project which can potentially go to a much wider 
audience?

I'm having difficulty finding that one - RTL are normally Realtek drivers
I think, and those are generally either WiFi (most common) or Ethernet
drives. It's quite common for an Ethernet chipset to "just work" on hte
generic drivers and not to require a specific Realtek driver.

If you are on Debian 11 - you might want to look at what non-free drivers
you are including and perhaps install firmware-realtek (but see below).

If it's all working - don't worry. If you could check the exact error
message, that might help us narrow it down a litte further.

With every good wish, as ever 

Andy Cater
[amaca...@debian.org]

Re: wrong sha256sum ?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

People,

Debian-www is primarily to contact the Debian web team to report problems with
the website or the Debian wiki / Debian documentation.

Please redirect these general queries to the debian-user mailing list

https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/

Thanks - all the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 04:07:15PM +0200, Lars Täuber wrote:
> Sorry my fault:
> $ sha512sum debian-11.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso 
> 2810f894afab9ac2631ddd097599761c1481b85e629d6a3197fe1488713af048d37241eb85def681ba86e62b406dd9b891ee1ae7915416335b6bb000d57c1e53
>   debian-11.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso
> 
> please excuse my disturbance
> 
> Cheers,

Re: (Kein Betreff)

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 08:02:16PM +, mindblower321 wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I wanna trying installing Debian 10 on my computer and it takes so much time 
> and working not quick.also the chance of the disks are blocked. Before Debian 
> 9 don't have this issue. What's wrong ? Used amd bulldozer 8350 GTX 1050ti 
> 32gb ram from crossair. I can install mint , fedora, arch, Kali super fast 
> but Debian fucked up. I like Debian and spend money to support but this new 
> version is not workings right.
> 
> Gesendet von ProtonMail mobile

mindblower321

Unfortunately, debian-www is probably the wrong mailing list to ask this.
You may get better results by asking on the debian-user list.

You have a fairly new machine: it would be better to use Debian 11 -
Debian 10 is slightly older and the newer kernel version in 11 may
support your hardware better.

I would suggest that you use the unofficial non-free .iso image as this
will include the firmware that you may need. Since you have an Nvidia
card, I would also suggest that you install in text mode and install
the packages to set up the Nvidia card _before_ installing a full 
desktop environment if you want to use the non-free proprietary Nvidia
drivers. The nouveau free software driver may work well for you.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater
for you

Re: Who's using Debian

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 07:17:59PM -0300, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana wrote:
> Hi Tibor,
> 
> Thank you for your message, but could you please send the new text in
> english?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Em 22/04/2022 09:28, Tibor Csernay escreveu:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > we would like that you update please our informations.
> > 
> > we've changed our name from Permanence Ostéopathique de la Gare" to
> > "Osteo 7/7"
> > we are now in both cities Lausanne and Geneva (before only in Lausanne)
> > our website is now https://osteo7-7.ch
> > 
> > Our description text is now as follow (french)
> > 
> > " Nous sommes regroupés au sein de deux centres ostéopathique.. Nous
> > avons deux serveurs Debian avec 25 stations de travail Debian.
> > 
> > Nous avons choisi Debian pour sa stabilité, sa sécurité et sa facilité
> > de maintenance. Nous aimons Debian car elle est entièrement gratuite et
> > libre, en comparaison avec les autres distributions basées sur Debian.
> > Merci à tous les développeurs de Debian ! "
> > 
> > Thanks for your attention
> > Best regards
> > 
> > Tibor Csernay
> > 
> >

We are based around two osteopathic centres. We have two Debian servers and 25 
workstations. 

We have chosen Debian for it's stability, security and ease of maintenance. We
love Debian because it is entirely free and libre, in comparison with other
distributions based on Debian. Thanks to all the Debian developers !

(More or less)

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater 
> > 
> > *Osteo 7/7*
> > Place de la Gare 4
> > 1003 Lausanne
> > +41 21 510 50 50 
> > lausa...@osteo7-7.ch 
> > 
> > Rue du Mont-Blanc 22
> > 1201 Genève
> > +41 22 510 50 50 
> > gen...@osteo7-7.ch 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana (phls)
> Belo Horizonte - Brasil
> Debian Developer
> Diretor do Instituto para Conservação de Tecnologias Livres
> Site: http://phls.com.br
> GNU/Linux user: 228719  GPG ID: 0443C450
> 

FAQ: Mailing lists are public [WAS Debian data erasure request - from Prasanna Awari - request: DNXZX7BI]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 12:57:42PM -0700, prasanna.aw...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Debian (debian.org),
> 

Hi Prasanna,

Unfortunately, we almost certainly hold no personal data on you.
If you read the Debian mailing list guidelines at
 https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ and the Debian mailing list
code of conduct on the same page and especially
https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/disclaimer you will find that 
Debian mailing lists are public.

We have no control over archives held elsewhere on the Internet by
Google or any other services: once things are out on the Internet
they are out there forever.

By raising this, then you have potentially raised your profile on
any given search engine - see also this useful Wikipedia article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

With every good wish, as ever,

Andrew Cater

[For and on behalf of the Debian Community Team]

> My name is Prasanna Awari, I've used your service in the past.
> 
> However, I'm now making the conscious decision to reduce my digital
> footprint and as a result
> 
> I ask you to please delete any personal data of mine you have stored on
> your systems.
> 
> 
> I have initiated this request myself and it was sent from my own personal
> inbox (see From address of this email).
> 
> Would appreciate your cooperation and an email confirming when the deletion
> has been completed.
> 
> 
> 
> My personal details are:
> 
>- Name: Prasanna Awari
>- Email: prasanna.aw...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> Context: I received an email from your company on *2018 March 14* which
> 
> indicates your systems hold my personal data.
> 
> 
> 
> Companies: If you would like additional context and assistance to complete
> 
> this request, please visit the secured Mine for Business Portal.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Prasanna Awari
> 
> 
> Powered by Mine®
> 
> Mine Request: DNXZX7BI

Re: download links are not visible for KDE and others

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 02:04:55PM +0700, Mir Sharifur Rahman wrote:
> Dear Debian Web team,
> 
> I find it very hard to navigate to desired download of the OS.
> 
> for example, can't find the kde iso download link. i have to navigate lots
> of links, as if i am solving a puzzle.
> 

Hi,

There is no .iso downlink specifically for KDE. Debian provides a netinst
iso that will allow you to install any of several desktop environments.

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-11.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso

If you download the DVD .iso file, then this will also allow you to do 
the same but there will be more on the initial file, so maybe a smaller
download from the network if there are bandwidth issues but at the cost
of a larger initial download.

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-dvd/firmware-11.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso

When the installer goes through to the tasksel step of selecting package
groups to install, uncheck GNOME and check KDE.

> please please please change the look of the web site, mainly the download
> page.
> 
> and please give us specific links for specific download.
> 

As above: this is unlike Kubuntu, for example: Canonical issue separate 
.iso files per desktop.

An alternative is to use the debian-live images: these are significantly
larger than the netinst but come with an installed desktop. 

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso

I have specifically included the images which include non-free firmware in 
them as this may work more easily with more modern laptops for a first 
install. The firmware is not free software: we can distribute it but we
can only give you what the vendors provide and non-free software is not
part of the main Debian distribution.

You may find it easier to ask further questions on the debian-user mailing list.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

[For the Debian Community Team]

> please keep in mind that, not all of us is as talented as you are.
> navigating web links puzzle is not a thing for us.
> 
> warm regards,
> Mir Sharifur Rahman
> Debian user since 2006

Re: Please take stupid out of FAQ Q1

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Oct 05, 2022 at 08:40:39AM +1300, Alex King wrote:
> At https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser, I see: "Sometimes even the
> most experienced people can do stupid things."
> 
> Please change this to something like: "Sometimes even the most experienced
> people can make mistakes." 
> 
> An organisation that calls their users stupid is not a friendly, welcoming
> organisation.  I read this and think "If experienced developers make
> occasional mistakes and seek help on debian lists, and others think the
> mistake is obvious, they get called or regarded as stupid.  I am not an
> experienced developer and I am more likely to make mistakes.  Now if I
> admit them on a debian list, I will be treated as stupid."
> 
> Changing the wording on the FAQ would be a small step to making Debian more
> user friendly.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
>

Hi Alex,

Thanks for that - calling people stupid isn't useful. Changed to point out
that anyone, no matter how capable, can make mistakes.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater 

Re: my debian-wallper red-fog logo after dist upgrade to experimental pleas send me experimental wallper

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

od day, the second letter, two is bad!!!

  I'm from Ukraine, after the update, someone spied the screensaver on the 
desktop
with the logo and many other things before) I certainly apologize for 
distracting you, but
could you please send it to me it is important as respect for the system in
overall ;) lost after installing compiz with tuxie or before? - neon
red color, I will be grateful for your understanding and will try less
get nervous.
<- good days. I found a small one, I love it, probably for a xiomi watch,
I love.

with uv. sergey valerievich baranov

[Google Translated]

Hi Sergey,

If you want the logo - the red swirl: https://www.debian.org/logos/

Almost all Debian lists are primarily in the English language.

There is a .ua user list at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-ukrainian

Andy

Привет Сергей,

Если вам нужен логотип — красный вихрь: https://www.debian.org/logos/

Почти все списки Debian в основном на английском языке.

Список пользователей .ua находится по адресу 
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-ukrainian.

Andy

Re: Need help install

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 09:51:58AM +, veruscoi...@protonmail.com wrote:
> How do I download libfreetype6,
> libgcc-s1, libstdc++6, libx11-xcb1, libxcomposite, libdbusmenu-glib4, 
> libdbusmenu-gtk3-4 github? I try wget but that not working because I still 
> this "Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages" Error meesage

Hi,

This is a question that would be better asked on the debian-user mailing list.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/

Instructions for how to subscribe and other general mailing list information
is at https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/

Could you please paste the exact error messages you get so that people
can help you better?

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Debian testing non-free firmware packages are not available

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 05:22:24PM +, Piotr Lopatka wrote:
> Hi Debian maintainer,
> 
> Just reporting that the website seems down as non-free packages are not
> available for install/update. It looks like testing and Sid are affected.
> Debian stable seems fine.
> 

Have you added non-free-firmware to the /etc/apt/sources.list lines?

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/01/msg00706.html gives information.

All the very best,

Andy Cater

> Many thanks,
> Piotr

Bug#1037316: www.debian.org: Download links on www.debian.org after release = no iso images, only BT

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

Package: www.debian.org
Severity: important

Dear Maintainer,

*** Reporter, please consider answering these questions, where appropriate ***

   * What led up to the situation?

Following Bookworm release and new layout: download links missing on 
www.debian.org for live CDs and some other images. Only BT links are there.

   * What exactly did you do (or not do) that was effective (or
 ineffective)?

Followed download link on front page

   * What was the outcome of this action?

Redirect to appropriate page but links missing.

   * What outcome did you expect instead?

Download links to full CD/DVD/debian-live DVD images

Bug#1037316: www.debian.org: Download links on www.debian.org after release = no iso images, only BT

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 12:54:43PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Am 11. Juni 2023 11:29:54 MESZ schrieb "Andrew M.A. Cater" 
> :
> >Package: www.debian.org
> >Severity: important
> >
> >Dear Maintainer,
> >
> >*** Reporter, please consider answering these questions, where appropriate 
> >***
> >
> >   * What led up to the situation?
> >
> >Following Bookworm release and new layout: download links missing on 
> >www.debian.org for live CDs and some other images. Only BT links are there.
> >
> >   * What exactly did you do (or not do) that was effective (or
> > ineffective)?
> >
> >Followed download link on front page https://www.debian.org

https://www.debian.org/download links to https://www.debian.org/distrib/

This page is missing links to larger images like DVD and the only links
are the links to torrents.

Debian Live links are also only torrents

https://www.debian.org/CD/ still has suggestions for 11.7

https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ then needs rewrite

Most of these are in progress somewhere, I know, and stuff is busy, busy

Thanks, Andy
> >
> >   * What was the outcome of this action?
> >
> >Redirect to appropriate page but links missing.
> >
> >   * What outcome did you expect instead?
> >
> >Download links to full CD/DVD/debian-live DVD images
> >
> 
> Please report the exact link of the page where you encounter this!
> 
> Holger
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Sent from /e/ OS on Fairphone3