Re: Other Releases

2021-06-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 5:54 PM Niklas Vest wrote:

> I recall reading something about opening an MR if I am not going to be a 
> regular contributor

That (or reporting a bug against www.debian.org with patch attached)
is the way to go *until* you have become a regular contributor, after
contributing via MRs/bugs for a while, at some point you may then
become trusted enough to commit directly.

> but I can't seem to find that page anymore.

It was probably on one of these pages:

https://www.debian.org/devel/website/
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Webmaster

>I am also not allowed to register at Debian's GitLab instance.

I think salsa gets a lot of spammers signing up with certain addresses
so some mail services are blocked. I guess either sign up using a
different email address or contact the admins for an exception to the
rule.

https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa/Doc#Support
https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa#Maintenance

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Re: Odd link behavior from https://manpages.debian.org/buster/apt/apt-cdrom.8.en.html

2021-06-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 11:56 AM Richard Owlett wrote:

> When I click on *ANY* of the links from
>  https://manpages.debian.org/buster/apt/apt-cdrom.8.en.html
> I never finish connecting.

I cannot reproduce this issue myself (using Firefox ESR).

This is probably best expressed as a bug report against the
manpages.debian.org pseudo-package instead.

https://manpages.debian.org/faq.html#debiman-problems

You will likely need some debugging information before filing the bug:

Does the same issue happen if you use a different web browser.

Are there web developer tools for your browser, and if so what does
the network debugger say is happening with those requests. If there
are no tools, perhaps use Wireshark to figure out where the browser is
trying to connect to.

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Re: webwml repository structure

2021-06-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:00 PM Niklas Vest wrote:

> I wanted to implement a minor improvement to user experience to the website 
> and upon inspection of the repository I have found no "common" code that 
> would represent the website structure.

git grep '' tells me this is the file defining what a page
looks like: english/template/debian/basic.wml

Not sure about the other places you want to modify, maybe grep the
english/ directory for the things you see now and then modify those
files.

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Re: I want to publish an article on your website

2021-06-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 7:48 PM sebul wrote:

> Please read
> https://www.debian.org/devel/join/

Please don't reply to spam, it would be better to get the spammer
banned from Debian mailing lists.

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Re: Main page download link improvements

2021-05-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 1:04 AM Paul Wise wrote:

> https://bugs.debian.org/819664

I forgot to note that there are a number of other bugs related to
download pages, please search through the bug list for "download",
"distrib", "CD" etc.

https://bugs.debian.org/www.debian.org

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Re: Main page download link improvements

2021-05-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 5:06 PM Jesse Rhodes wrote:

> that shiny "Download" button should ...

This bug report contains a lot of discussion about what the Debian
download/CD pages should look like. From a quick skim of the bug, it
seems the web team already has a WIP replacement for the download
page.

https://bugs.debian.org/819664

> This proposal is not dissimilar to ...

I think it is worth looking at various Debian derivatives and Linux
distros download pages, in particular the one for the Tails distro:

https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census
https://tails.boum.org/
https://tails.boum.org/install/

> I have a lot of free time at present and have done web hacking before, so I'd 
> be happy to do some or all of the legwork on this, if you point me to the 
> current templates, style guide, or what have you.

https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/
https://www.debian.org/devel/website/
https://bugs.debian.org/www.debian.org
https://wiki.debian.org/KallesDesign
https://kalleswork.net/projects/debian/debtemplate/

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Re: tls cert on www.backports.org

2021-04-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 9:22 PM Joris wrote:

> https://www.backports.org appears to serve the same content as 
> https://www.debian.org. It however uses a certificate that is only valid for 
> www.debian.org thus showing an insecure icon in the browser.

Please use https://backports.debian.org/ instead, backports.org is not
controlled by the Debian Project.

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Re: Slovak translation of the Mailing Lists webpage

2021-04-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 2:51 PM Mate Ti wrote:

> i found a bug on the slovak (slovenčina) translation of the
> debian mailing list webpage

Please discuss this with the Slovak translation team:

https://www.debian.org/international/Slovak/

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Re: Cannot download the Debian Stable complete DVD ISO using android phone anymore

2021-04-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 11:56 AM Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 07:32:02PM +0800, ulala wrote:
> >
> >I have this old Sony Xperia SP phone which i use as backup drive to boot 
> >Debian
> >DVD from in case of emergency. It runs on JellyBean version of Android (4.3).
> >
> >I used to download Debian ISOs without problem with it, but now it wont
> >download from this link anymore:
> >https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
> >
> >I used both official updated Google Chrome app and Opera Mini app to download
> >the ISO, neither of them work. But the download link works just fine from
> >laptop.
>
> When you say "Cannot download", what exactly do you mean? Do you get
> an error message?

I'm assuming that the TLS/SSL support on the devices where it doesn't
work is too old to connect to the web server. You could try to connect
to the insecure version of the URL without SSL/TLS:

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/

If possible, it would be a good idea to verify the images using
OpenPGP after the download, that might be hard to do with the
operating systems and devices you have though.

https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify
https://www.debian.org/CD/verify

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Re: Link not aviable for instal on my old machine.

2021-04-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 8:18 PM Claudio Guendelman wrote:

> Hi  ineed to install  Linux on  a  old  Imac g3

In addition to the advice you were already given, asking on the
debian-powerpc list is likely to get you more specific help with this
particular machine.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/

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Re: Trouble with VM instalation

2021-03-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 12:09 AM Guilherme Rosa wrote:

> My name is Guilherme and i'm having trouble installing the 32 bit desktop 
> version of Debian

Please ask for help on Debian support channels:

https://www.debian.org/support

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Re: Introduction

2021-03-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 8:48 AM David S. wrote:

> I want to take part in the translation process of the website

Contribution to translation of the website is done via the language
teams, so please contact the ones for the languages you are interested
in:

https://www.debian.org/international/
https://www.debian.org/international/german/
https://www.debian.org/international/Russian
https://www.debian.org/international/Norwegian

> and the packages.

For package description translations there are mail and web based
systems for folks to contribute translations:

https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ddtp
https://ddtp.debian.org/ddtss/index.cgi/

In case you are interested to also translate the wiki, there is some
information here:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorGuide#translation

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Re: WHAT is CDN - was {Re: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list debian.inode.at 403 Forbidden}

2021-03-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 12:32 PM Richard Owlett wrote:

> What is CDN? deb.debian.org gives no information.
> How do I know if I have a "need to know"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_delivery_network

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Re: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list debian.inode.at 403 Forbidden

2021-03-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2021-03-18 at 10:18 +0100, mx vx wrote:

> E: Failed to fetch http://debian.inode.at/debian/dists/bullseye/InRelease  
> 403  Forbidden [IP: xx.xx.xx.xx 80]
> E: The repository 'http://debian.inode.at/debian bullseye InRelease' is not 
> signed.

I get the same error from my Australian IP address, and also from other
servers on the Internet. I suggest that you first contact the admins
for the mirror using the mir...@inode.at address and if you do not get
a response, then please report a bug against the Debian 'mirrors'
package in order to get it removed from the mirrors list.

> I missed the second line: about an unsigned file I guess.
> I suppose that is a result of the line above.

Correct.

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Re: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list debian.inode.at 403 Forbidden

2021-03-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, 2021-03-17 at 10:43 -0400, Calum McConnell wrote:

> there are many different places where it is stated that you should
> select a local mirror rather than the CDN, and a large part of the
> community still holds that belief.

Do you have some examples of these places or people?

I expect that most of the docs were simply written before the CDN
existed and that Debian hasn't fully communicated with the community
about using the CDN rather than the mirrors.

> Is that confirmed?

Depends who you ask, certainly the DSA folks who set up use of the CDN,
shut down the mirror redirector (httpredir), switched security.d.o and
ftp.d.o to the CDN, made d-i default to the CDN and demoted the mirror
choice question in d-i definitely prefer that folks use the CDN.

Right now I personally think that on balance the CDN is the best option
for many people. People in specific circumstances probably should
instead use local mirrors or the mirrors on the Tor onion service.

There is one downside common to both CDNs and mirrors:

The debdeltas aren't on a CDN nor mirrored anywhere, so the bandwidth
used for updating on bandwidth-constrained devices is potentially
expensive international traffic instead of local traffic.

There some downsides of CDNs though:

There are parts of the world that our CDN provider (Fastly) isn't great
in, doesn't have coverage in or could get banned in.

There are networks where local traffic is gratis but external traffic
costs money (such as cloud providers) or counts to quota and the CDN
provider is unlikely to have nodes within all of these networks.

CDN providers are an opportunity for MITM attacks, the design of the
Debian repo format mitigates most of these attacks though. The same
attacks of course apply to each mirror but are limited to its users.

Each CDN node does not contain a full copy of the apt repository, so
there are fewer full copies of Debian out there.

The benefit provided by https is lower for the CDN than the mirror,
since the range of file sizes being transferred is lower to the CDN
domain (which is just Debian) than to mirrors (which have more files).

There are some downsides of the mirror network too:

Having to choose a specific mirror is not something many computer users
want to be doing, so requiring a choice rather than just making one
global worldwide mirror (aka CDN) the default means the audience for
Debian is restricted to geeks, power users and folks who know them or
can hire them.

The hosting trend worldwide is towards CDNs rather than mirrors, so the
amount of mirrors is likely to go down over time.

The popularity of Debian derivatives means that Debian gets mirrored
less and in some cases ISPs make the choice to drop Debian mirrors but
keep the derivatives.

Lots of mirrors are very suboptimal, they stop updating, or do updates
in the wrong way leading to errors on user systems or just silently
leave user systems without updates.

We have no mirror redirector nor apt mirror:// provider. Consequently
the user experience when a mirror is created or goes bad isn't great,
as the submitter of this thread found, they need to be vigilant about
finding new local mirrors, or need to manually update after errors.

Since mirrors come and go, the copy of the mirror list within d-i will
always be outdated to some extent. I'm not sure if d-i auto-updates the
mirror list when it gets network though?

The ftp.CC.debian.org country-specific mirror aliases have to be
manually updated by the DSA folks rather than being automatically
updated from the mirror monitoring service.

The new mirror additions have to be manually added rather than being
automatically added to the mirrors list after a successful monitoring
period.

The mirrors that die or stop being updated have to be manually removed
from the mirrors list rather than automatically being removed.

There is no automatic mechanism for mirror operators to keep their
mirror online and updated, but indicate that it should stop being used
due to maintenance or end of life shutdown.

The mirror sync infrastructure is extra hardware that the Debian
project needs to buy (since we no longer have server vendors giving us
gratis hardware like HP/HPE used to) and that DSA need to find hosting
for and maintain and that the mirror team (which is just DSA right now)
need to setup and maintain syncing on.

The support for https within the mirror network is spotty and the
mirror monitoring infrastructure doesn't check for https support. OTOH
https only provides minimal obscurity for traffic, since all the file
sizes are known, a passive observer could correlate request size with
individual packages, especially for larger ones. For mirrors there is a
wider distribution of sizes due to mirrors of other distros on the same
domain names as the Debian mirrors, so it is harder to correlate.

PS: the mirror monitoring service:

https://mirror-master.debian.org/status/mirror-hierarchy.html
https://salsa.debian.org/mirror-team/status


Re: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list debian.inode.at 403 Forbidden

2021-03-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:54 PM mx vx wrote:

> The mirror debian.inode.at is not working any more.

Please report a bug against the 'mirrors' package in order to get it removed:

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

Please note that Debian recommends using the CDN for downloading apt
packages, especially for laptops and other devices that move around.

https://deb.debian.org/

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Re: Using urlcheck - how many broken links should we accept?

2021-03-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:57 AM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> There are lots of websites that return error codes. There are still lots
> where an http -> https substitution would solve a missing website.

The https-everywhere rule-set might help to solve the https problem.

https://github.com/EFForg/https-everywhere/

> There are lots of apparent errors where, in fact, it's just a directory level
> move - https://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/urlcheck/MailingLists

That is weird, /intro/cn is a top-level path, not a sub-path of
MailingLists. Probably there is a weird symlink on the server
somewhere?

> How much breakage should we accept for old sites / sites that have been
> renamed or simply no longer exist?

Depends on how much you can be bothered to fix, since the web changes
often there will always be newly broken URLs.

> For, for example, DPL nominations on debian-vote which list resume information
> / university "stuff" - is it worth going to fix old links?

I think historical pages (security updates, News, vote pages etc)
should either remain broken or get their links pointing to
archive.org, possibly automatically at the start of a new year.

> I'm very wary of global search and replace through all of the webwml. How
> much checking should we devote to seeing whether websites exist or still
> resolve?

Global search/replace for http -> https for domains with verified
stable working TLS seems safe to me, and a good idea. Same goes for
things that moved from debian.net to debian.org or similar. Same goes
for things that changed their URL layout slightly. I've done that sort
of thing in the past, using smart_change.pl.

With the new translation-check headers this becomes a lot harder to
do, since if someone pushes a commit while you are reviewing your
changes, you can't just rebase and continue your review, you have to
delete the translations update commit, re-do it and restart your
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Re: Using urlcheck - how many broken links should we accept?

2021-03-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 3:15 PM Thomas Lange wrote:

> Sometimes people replace a broken link with a working link to
> archive.org. I do not like that. I prefer removing broken links. And
> often the content is also outdated, and removing it may be adequate.

For historical pages (like old News pages, old elections or votes), I
think it is better to either leave the broken links as-is or use
archive.org for the broken links than to remove those historical
pages/links from the website.

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Bug#983587: https://wiki.debian.org/KDE#Making_GNOME.2FGTK_applications_look_natural: file not foundE (GTK)" needs review

2021-02-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 7:36 PM Scorpion2185 wrote:

> I think that the wiki needs a review:

If you know what the fix is, please register an account and add the
fix to the page.

If you don't know what the fix is, please discuss the issue on the
Debian support channels and the people there will help you find the
solution or find the appropriate team to ask about the issue.

https://www.debian.org/support

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Re: Trying to register to forums.

2021-02-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 3:45 PM User Uber wrote:

> I’m having some trouble for registering to http://forums.debian.net/.
> I never receive confirmation email.

As I mentioned off-list, you will need to contact the admins, folks on
this list aren't able to assist with the forums.

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Re: Unable to join the forums.

2021-02-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 7:54 PM User Uber wrote:

> Incredibly, when I try to register to forum I’m warned that my IP address has 
> been used for spamming.

Which forum are you trying to register to?

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Re: wiki.debian.org BLOCK

2021-01-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 8:39 PM wrote:

> Why is Debian blocking Tor users?

We explicitly allow all Tor exit nodes, but unfortunately there is a
problem with the Tor exit node list in that it does not list the IPv6
addresses of Tor exit nodes. So when we detect spam from the Tor exit
node IPv6 addresses, they can get banned rather than ignored. Please
try another Tor exit node, most of them should work. Click on the lock
icon, then click "New Circuit for this Site". Last time this was
discussed I removed a bunch of exit nodes from the blocklist.

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Re: LTS

2021-01-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 1:47 PM The7up wrote:

> This is standing in LTS index page:

Please discuss this with the LTS team on their list:

https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Contact#debian-lts

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Re: [debian website] Translation of Buster release page

2021-01-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2021-01-02 at 18:30 +0100, Hans Fredrik Nordhaug wrote:

> Thank you for the info. I actually was aware of the change, did some
> googling, but decided I wanted to use my old username to match all
> commits from 2017 and earlier (which I assume is locked to
> "hansfn-guest"). I don't mind being marked as a guest ;-)

You are correct about that, the commit messages have hansfn-guest as
committer for the CVS commits and cannot be changed easily.

There is a feature of git that can help here though, we can add a
mailmap file, which git log/diff etc will use to translate author
names/emails info in old commits to their new names or addresses.

Fair enough if you want to keep the -guest though.

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Bug#264589: fixed now?

2021-01-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 5:45 AM Paul Wise wrote:

> The patch is untested and the packages site isn't well maintained so
> that would seem unlikely, did you check git for the patch?

I have confirmed that the patch is not yet committed to the git repo.

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Re: [debian website] Translation of Buster release page

2021-01-01 Thread Paul Wise
Hans Fredrik Nordhaug wrote:

> with my old username hansfn-guest

FYI, the policies for salsa have changed, now you can sign up without
the -guest suffix and remove it from existing accounts in the
settings.

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Bug#264589: fixed now?

2020-12-31 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2020-12-31 at 11:35 +0100, Thomas Lange wrote:

> I wonder if your patch
> 0001-Link-to-manual-pages-Closes-264589.patch
> was applied and this bug can now be closed?

The patch is untested and the packages site isn't well maintained so
that would seem unlikely, did you check git for the patch?

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Re: Debian wiki is blocking my server

2020-12-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 10:03 PM M. Omer GOLGELI wrote:

> Can you please remove 5.255.90.108 from your block list?

Removed from the block list.

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Re: Debian wiki page - Forbidden access through TOR

2020-12-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 5:53 PM Pavlos Ponos wrote:

> (Sorry if the following is irrelevant to this list, feel free to forward it 
> to the appropriate one or completely disregard)

This is the correct mailing list.

> Today I was trying to access debian wiki (https://wiki.debian.org/) but I 
> received the following message when trying with TOR.
> Forbidden
> You are not allowed to access this!
> Some days ago I'm pretty sure I was able, today not. Is there any reason 
> behind this?

In general we allow all Tor exit nodes to access the wiki regardless
of how spammy they are.

It is hard to tell how you got this error without knowing your exit
node at the time.

If you are still getting the problem, you can share your exit node
with the wiki admins via w...@debian.org and we will investigate,
there may be a bug in how we enable Tor exit nodes to bypass the
blocklists.

In the meantime, you can switch to a new exit node easily in Tor
Browser. Just restart it, start a new identity or start a new circuit.

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Re: where is sponsors.list

2020-11-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 12:18 AM sebul wrote:

> I can't find file sponsors.list

This is created by the Makefile when you run this:

make -C english/mirror sponsors.list

> https://validator.w3.org/ says
> https://www.debian.org/mirror/sponsors
> validation error at
> KH 

I think this issue got fixed since then.

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Bug#965326: Changelogs of 'linux' package in stretch+buster are 404

2020-11-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 09 Nov 2020 17:47:48 + Ben Hutchings wrote:

> I think this is true for all security uploads, unfortunately.  I
> thought I had reported this bug previously, but can't find such a
> report.

Indeed, the bug report (and many other merged duplicates) is:

https://bugs.debian.org/490848

> tracker.debian.org publishes changelogs from both main and security
> archives, so I think packages.debian.org should link to those instead
> of metadata.ftp-master.debian.org.

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Re: Keeping youtube-dl updated

2020-10-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 7:08 AM Shlomi Fish wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 14:34:04 -0700 Lester Flax wrote:
> > What command should I use on Raspian on a PI 4B?
>
> Note that debian-www is the wrong list for general questions and answers.

and Debian is the wrong distro to contact about Rasbian issues.

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Bug#971845: wiki.debian.org: Update PET service status.

2020-10-08 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 1:27 PM Aloïs Micard wrote:

> The wiki page should be updated to reflect that.

Please feel free to register an account and update the wiki page. In
case you were blocked from doing that by the anti-spam system, I've
added your email address to the allow list.

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Bug#971623: review and simplify the /devel/wnpp section

2020-10-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 9:45 AM Laura Arjona Reina wrote:

> Having a look at both the resulting listings that we provide in
> www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, and the ones provided in wnpp.debian.net, I
> think maybe we could review our old approach and remove most of the
> listings we were providing, and link to wnpp.debian.net instead.

wnpp.debian.net is an unofficial service that could go away at any
moment if the Debian member sponsoring the domain leaves Debian or the
contributor providing the service decides to shut it down. I think it
would be better to not rely on it for things that we don't need to
rely on it for and rely on it for things that aren't implemented
anywhere else.

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Re: Retired debian mirror

2020-09-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 2:38 PM David Smith wrote:

> Contains reference to this mirror:
> ftp.utexas.edu
>
> This mirror is quite dead and should probably be removed from this page.

Thanks for the notice. I've removed the mirror from our database of
mirrors and this will be reflected on the Debian website the next time
it is rebuilt.

https://salsa.debian.org/mirror-team/masterlist/commit/7e772b8405ef56d8fb268161ac72275cf296a187

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Re: https://www.uitvconnect.com/

2020-09-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 6:28 AM Luna Jernberg wrote:

> I don't think Debian does Sponsored posts, but i might be wrong, someone who 
> works with the website more might know better ?

The person you responded to is a spammer trying to get us to link to
their sites. It is best not to reply to such mails.

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Re: Who's Using Debian - Link Farming and other questions

2020-09-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:16 PM Ryan Nowakowski wrote:

> I occasionally help out with the "Who's Using Debian" section of the
> website.  I've noticed a couple of things about recent submissions.
>
> 1. The submissions are in English but the sites themselves are not.  Do
>these belong in the english section of the site?

I think it is useful to demonstrate that Debian has a diverse
world-wide audience, even to English speakers. Where sites are
multilingual we could link to the English version of the site and
encourage translators to change the links to the version for their
language. For sites without any translations, we could note in the
text the language used on the site. Both of these are liable to get
out of date though.

> 2. Many of the submissions are from online marketing agencies.  I have
>worked in that industry and have a sneaking suspicion that they're
>simply using the Debian site as a link farm[1] to drive traffic.
>What do we think about this?  It doesn't look like there's any guidance
>about this in the submission instructions[2].

Some ideas:

Use the link annotation attributes (nofollow/etc) that nullify the use
of the links as a link farm.

We could verify via HTTP headers that they actually use Debian on the
server(s) in question.

Require some sort of proof or statement on their website about their
use of Debian.

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Bug#885433: wiki.debian.org: Access to wiki.debian.org is blocked with 403 Forbidden

2020-09-08 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 7:18 AM Ульрих Владимир wrote:

> Can’t access wiki from my office network. Our IP address 87.236.187.11.

Unblocked.

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Re: Translation (language) settings do not stick

2020-09-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:27 PM  wrote:

> If  correctly defaults to Japanese, but English is manually
> selected, that manual selection is reverted upon following any link.

If you want to override your browser's language settings for more than
one page load, please click the English button in this section of the
website:

https://www.debian.org/intro/cn#override

Please note that this will set a cookie that contains your language
selection. Your browser will delete the cookie if you do not visit the
Debian website for a month. You can delete the cookie by choosing the
"Browser default" option on the page above.

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Re: Broken link on packages.debian.org

2020-08-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 3:46 PM Andrew Cater wrote:

> Hi Rachel,

Andrew, the person you are replying to is clearly a spammer trying to
get us to add links to their site. It is generally better to get them
banned from the mailing lists than to reply.

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Re: Need support for php7.4 in Debian OS 9

2020-08-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 4:00 PM Welkins Raj wrote:

> Please can you confirm whether debian OS version 9 will be fully compatible 
> with  all php7.4 packages?

Please contact our support channels for help using Debian:

https://www.debian.org/support

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Bug#968051: Please include direct links to PGP public keys where possible

2020-08-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:00 PM Steve McIntyre wrote:

> Maybe we could/should link to direct lookups on keyring.d.o if that's
> possible, or use WKD somehow (hand-wave)?

The HKPS URL could be used for this:

https://keyring.debian.org/pks/lookup?op=get=0x10460DAD76165AD81FBC0CE9988021A964E6EA7D
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-shaw-openpgp-hkp-00#section-3.4

AFAICT the WKD stuff doesn't have lookups based on key fingerprint.

Probably also listing commands to download the keys would be good:

gpg --verbose --recv-keys --keyserver hkps://keyring.debian.org '1046
0DAD 7616 5AD8 1FBC  0CE9 9880 21A9 64E6 EA7D'

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Re: My public IP has been banned by https://wiki.debian.org/

2020-08-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 2:33 AM Will Chen wrote:

> My public IP of the VPN server is 107.172.83.198.

Almost all of your ISP's IP range was banned some years ago, removed now.

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Re: Don't remove a site for a few days downtime

2020-07-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 9:12 AM Holger Wansing wrote:

> Indeed changings in English are even more critical:
> when files in English are changed, all the translation files need to be
> updated too. So all translators would have additional work!
> (or the pages in other languages get the "Outdated translation" warning)

Changing pages in a mechanical way should not need any work by
translators if the person doing the change uses smart_change.pl to
update the translations in a second commit. Run it without arguments
to get usage instructions.

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Bug#885433: wiki.debian.org: Access to wiki.debian.org is blocked with 403 Forbidden

2020-06-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:21 AM Michael Wurpes wrote:

> Acces to wiki.debian.org is blocked with a 403 forbidden if i use my Vodafone 
> / Kabel Deutschland connection.
> I'm not sure, but i think my ip is 95.90.222.93

Unblocked.

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Re: Broken links policy/monitoring

2020-06-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2020-06-11 at 16:09 -0500, Ryan Nowakowski wrote:

> Thanks Paul.  I searched a bit and couldn't find the urlcheck python
> script.  Anyone know where I get a copy to play with?

https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/cron.git

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Re: Broken links policy/monitoring

2020-06-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 4:51 PM Ryan Nowakowski wrote:

> Do we have a policy around removing/fixing broken links?

Probably for this section of the website, broken links probably means
that the organisation in question no longer exists. So removing broken
links should just mean removing the organisation entirely.

> Do we currently actively monitor the site for broken links?

I don't know if anyone looks at the logs, but:

https://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/urlcheck/

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Re: FWD: Did not receive confirmation email

2020-06-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 4:30 PM  wrote:

> Would you mind forwarding this to an admin at the Debian Users Forum?

Forwarded. You might also want to try Discourse or Debian Social:

https://discourse.debian.net/
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianSocial

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Bug#944713: www.debian.org: Developer Locations map empty

2020-05-28 Thread Paul Wise
Control: tags -1 + pending

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 11:14 PM Holger Wansing wrote:

> Hmm, I found
> https://salsa.debian.org/dsa-team/mirror/userdir-ldap/-/blob/master/ud-xearth
> Maybe it's related here?
> But I can't get any further ...

This came up on IRC, I debugged it and fixed it in git. Next time we
deploy the code it should get fixed on the site automatically.

https://salsa.debian.org/dsa-team/mirror/userdir-ldap/commit/274133ad8c512553620e6cb363fcb2a419a83cb4

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Re: LANET not work. Only ftp works.

2020-05-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 1:21 PM 사랑천사  wrote:

> I saw mentions me with address mir...@lanet.kr.
>
> I'm administrator of ftp.lanet.kr.
>
> Have you ever had a problem with the mirror for Debian?

The issue is that the LANET website does not work:

http://www.lanet.kr/

The problem is that four of your DNS servers return NXDOMAIN and the
other one times out. This problem does not occur for the LANET Debian
mirror, it works fine.

The LANET website is linked from here:

https://www.debian.org/mirror/sponsors

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Re: Broken link

2020-05-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 3:12 AM Marcelo Néias wrote:

> On the page https://wiki.debian.org/Brasil, the link "Notas de Lançamento" is 
> broken, when clicked it is sent to "Page not found".

Please ask the Portuguese translation team to translate the release
pages for Debian buster to Portuguese.

https://www.debian.org/international/Portuguese
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/

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Re: https://www.debian.org/international/Turkish

2020-05-08 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 2:12 AM Fatih Suzer wrote:

> Debian-tr (http://www.debian-tr.org/)
>
> This is the link that was suggested under “Turkish HelP’ however this website 
> is non-relevant to Debian.

Please contact the Debian Turkish localisation mailing list and ask
them to update the page. I noticed that it contains other obsolete
links too. Since the original text is in Turkish, we need the Turkish
translation team to update the original Turkish and then translate the
changes to English and then other translators will translate to other
languages.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-turkish/

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Re: packages.debian.org: outdated suite names?

2020-05-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 9:23 PM Holger Wansing wrote:

> However, there has been no update after releasing Buster.
> Are such changings no longer required?
> (I wonder, why no wrong suitenames can be seen at packages.debian.org...)

I expect they are required by something, to find out you could delete
them or trace the variable usage.

TBH all of the hard-coding of release version numbers, suites,
codenames, components and architectures in various Debian services
needs to be removed and replaced with loading from the canonical
locations. That is a *lot* more work than just bumping the releases
again and again though. Personally I've given up on trying to fix the
hard-coding situation, which is incompletely summarised here:

https://wiki.debian.org/SuitesAndReposExtension

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Re: where all these codenames came from Page not found

2020-04-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2020-04-20 at 20:18 -0700, Kevin Thomas wrote:

> Ah okay, thanks for the information! In that case I will leave the merge
> request as-is.

Another issue is that (because of the aforementioned hash decision)
every time you rebase your merge request, you will need to re-run
smart_change.pl and update the translation commit, because the first
commit hash will have changed when you did the rebase of the commit.

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Re: where all these codenames came from Page not found

2020-04-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2020-04-20 at 11:29 -0700, Kevin Thomas wrote:

> As for using  smart_change.pl to update all the translations, I'm
> getting some strange behavior where when I run this on the seven
> changed files, only some of the translation files are getting their
> translation-check commit updated correctly, so I'm not sure what to
> do about that.

Usually this means that the translation-check header is pointing at an
outdated commit so the translation is deemed to be out of date and thus
updating the translation with your changes will not bring it up to date
with earlier changes from before your commit, so the translation-check
header should not be updated. Once a translator reads through the
earlier changes and your changes they will update the translation and
also update the translation-check header.

The smart_change.pl script doesn't work very well when there are chains
of translations starting from languages other than English (especially
since we didn't decide to use file hashes in the headers, unfortunately
instead going with commit hashes), but I don't think this is the
situation for your patch.

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Re: where all these codenames came from Page not found

2020-04-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:45 AM Kevin Thomas wrote:

> Thanks for bringing this up. I made a Merge Request to fix this link. If 
> someone could take a look at it and merge it if it looks good, that would be 
> appreciated:

Please switch the links back to being based on the $(HOME) variable,
since that change is unrelated to the fix you want to make. I suggest
that you also fix any other debian-faq links in webwml at the same
time and make sure you also use smart_change.pl to update all the
translations.

PS: it seems that Mailspring is inserting tracking links into your
emails, you might want to turn that off or use another email provider.

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Re: Debian Installer

2020-04-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:30 AM FRP MRR wrote:

> Is it delivered to Saudi Arabia?

The Debian installer is available for download from the Debian website:

https://www.debian.org/
https://www.debian.org/distrib/

You can then write it to a USB stick (or CD/DVD).

If you have any issues downloading it or during the installation
process, please contact our support channels:

https://www.debian.org/support

We don't yet have any vendors of physical Debian installation media in
Saudi Arabia. The closest ones are in Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey.

https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/

In case you would like to be the first Debian install USB/DVD/CD
vendor in Saudi Arabia, please refer to this page:

https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/info

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Re: Why are we blocking some addresses any access to the wiki?

2020-04-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 5:58 PM Calum Jackson wrote:

> It seems every day a new mail comes in about someone getting a 403 forbidden 
> when trying to access the wiki through their proxy server or VPN, or even 
> just their home address.  Now, edit-blocks would make sense, but we already 
> require any prospective wiki editors to email in to make an account.  Why is 
> it that we ban entire IP ranges from even reading the wiki?

There is a combination of a few factors:

The software we use doesn't differentiate between types of accesses in
its blocking code.

Last time we removed the block, the server got overloaded.

The current admin team hasn't had time to retry that and figure out
why it got overloaded.

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Re: broken link on the page https://wiki.debian.org/D

2020-04-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2020-04-13 at 20:28 -0700, Dan Hitt wrote:

> Thanks Paul.  I put in the links with the names you suggested.  I
> also removed the two links to the non-existent mailing lists, and
> replaced them with "None known".  I'm not sure if that's the most
> helpful thing to do, but i think it is better than non-working links.

Looks good to me, thanks for the fixes.

BTW, if you're interested in the helping out with D packages in Debian,
I would encourage you to contact the email on the tracker.d.o link.

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Re: broken link on the page https://wiki.debian.org/D

2020-04-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2020-04-13 at 18:39 -0700, Dan Hitt wrote:

> I'd be glad to fix the links if i knew what they should be :) :) :)

It appears there aren't any mailing lists for the D team any more so
remove them, but I found a couple of other links that could be added:

https://salsa.debian.org/d-team/
https://tracker.debian.org/teams/d-team/

The first one should replace the "Git repository" link. The second one
can be a new "Debian D team packages" link. 

> Or, if you can point me to a mailing list where i can ask the
> question of what the links should be, and somebody answers my
> question as to what they should be, then i can fix the page. :) :)

This list is fine (or the #debian-www IRC channel) for that.

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Re: broken link on the page https://wiki.debian.org/D

2020-04-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:56 PM Dan Hitt wrote:

> The https://wiki.debian.org/D has a broken link.

Feel free to register an account and edit the page if you would like
to fix these links.

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Bug#954450: Problems with links on https://wiki.debian.org/Modules

2020-03-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 8:06 PM Stefan Lithén wrote:

> The webpage https://wiki.debian.org/Modules has problems with some links.

The wiki is open for editing, please register an account and fix these
issues. In case you already tried to register an account and were
blocked, I have marked your email for auto-accept so you should be
able to register now.

> 1) The link to update-modules brings you to error page 
> https://dyn.manpages.debian.org/man/8/update-modules?

This doesn't appear to exist any more so the link can be deleted.

> 2) The link to depmod.conf brings you to error page 
> https://dyn.manpages.debian.org/man/5/depmod.conf?
> 3) The link to modprobe.conf brings you to japanise page 
> https://manpages.debian.org/buster/manpages-ja/modprobe.conf.5.ja.html

These should be updated to .d instead of .conf:

https://manpages.debian.org/buster/kmod/depmod.d.5.en.html
https://manpages.debian.org/buster/kmod/modprobe.d.5.en.html

PS: it might be a good idea to report a bug against kmod asking for
compatibility symlinks to be re-added to the package.

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

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Re: how to fix typo in Debian doc Korean ?

2020-03-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 11:35 PM Martin Schauer wrote:

> https://sources.debian.org/src/debian-history/2.23/po4a/po/ko.po/
>
> If you can grep the wrong string there: bug report with patch.

Sebul, in case you prefer working with git, the repo is here:

https://salsa.debian.org/ddp-team/project-history

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Re: Problem at https://packages.debian.org/buster/timeshift

2020-02-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 4:21 PM Richard Owlett wrote:

> Bug#952690: Acknowledgement (timeshift: Bad URL for "Homepage" at
> packages.debian.org)

I've merged that with the duplicate already filed by Boyuan Yang:

https://bugs.debian.org/952685
https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/347cabb838032ba9bb9cfd0f598dda5f966209de.ca...@debian.org

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Re: Problem at https://packages.debian.org/buster/timeshift

2020-02-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:29 AM Richard Owlett wrote:

> I followed the link. And, needing more information, I clicked on
> "Homepage [teejeetech.blogspot.in]" and received the message:
> > You're about to be redirected
> >
> > The blog that used to be here is now at http://www.teejeetech.in/.
> >
> > Do you wish to be redirected?
>
> Is this a bug or some sort of "man-in-the-middle attack"?
> How can I safely tell the difference?
> If it is, how/where do I report it? I've never filed a bug report.

It looks like the timeshift author used to host their blog on Google
Blogspot, but later moved it to an external domain. There is no attack
because it happens even when you connect over https. Please report a
bug against timeshift asking for the Homepage to be updated to the URL
below, which seems to be the correct location.

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
https://teejeetech.in/timeshift/

While you are at it, please also file a bug or patch against the DUCK
tool so that this strange form of redirect gets automatically detected
and reported. Probably just detecting the phrase "used to be here"
should be enough. IIRC duck already has a list of "redirect" phrases,
so you could just patch the list to add that.

http://duck.debian.net/
https://packages.debian.org/sid/duck

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Re: Unable to access wiki

2020-02-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:15 AM Nicholas Kruzan wrote:

> I got this service in October. I think my IP changed to this one in November. 
> I'm not sure I have ever accessed it before.
>
> 192.119.151.133 Illinois, USA

Your ISP was a bit spammy back in 2013 and large parts of their IP
range got blocked. I've removed the blocks for now.

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Re: Debian was always one of the best os I very much like, but those days I am having very big problems installing debian, especially because of edit boot sector. The new debian should also covering t

2020-02-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 4:24 AM Saleh al-bulushi wrote:

> I am having very big problems installing debian

Please ask for help with this on the support channels:

https://www.debian.org/support

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Re: Typo

2020-02-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 3:33 AM Matthew Germond wrote:

> On the Korean section of books, the first Firstblood is spelt incorrectly.

Could you explain in more detail what you mean? I wasn't able to
understand entirely, but it seems you are talking about this page,
which only seems to contain one (English) instance of the word
"Firstblood". Do you mean that the Korean text in the Author field is
incorrect for Firstblood? If so, please contact the Korean translation
team and ask them to correct it.

https://www.debian.org/doc/books#korean
https://www.debian.org/international/Korean

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Re: add accessibility section to "List of sections" pages?

2020-02-23 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 7:51 PM Rich Morin wrote:

> The Debian "List of sections" pages (eg, https://packages.debian.org/stable)

I believe that this list is based on the list of sections defined in
the Debian archive:

https://salsa.debian.org/ftp-team/dak/blob/master/setup/core-init.d/020_sections

> have no section for accessibility.  Please consider adding one
> I'd be happy to help in assembling a starting point for the package list.

Please discuss that with the accessibility team:

https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility-devel

I think the needed action here is to report some bugs:

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

One against ftp.debian.org asking to create the section.

One against ftp.debian.org asking to override the section for the
relevant packages.

https://bugs.debian.org/ftp.debian.org

One against each of the relevant packages asking to update the section.

One against www.debian.org (usertagged for packages.debian.org) asking
to add the accessibility section description.

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Re: dayananda sagar college of engineering

2020-02-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 10:36 AM Manasa Ck15 wrote:

>   we are students from DSCE needs help to download gnuradio companion in boss 
> linux . plz do provide related documents about the installing gnuradio 
> companion in boss linux

Please contact the BOSS Linux community about this:

https://bosslinux.in/support-centre

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Bug#950186: packages.debian.org: Please add information about maintainer scripts

2020-01-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 13:27:15 -0800 Felix Lechner wrote:

> For a deb package, packages.d.o can show a list of files, but that is
> only the data section. Some information about maintainer scripts (such
> as their presence) would be much appreciated.

This service provides information about maintainer scripts etc:

https://binarycontrol.debian.net/

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Bug#949173: packages.debian.org: robots.txt doesn't actually block anything

2020-01-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 6:57 PM Adam D. Barratt wrote:

> which is effectively the same as allowing everything. "Disallow: /"
> might be more logical, unless there is a desire / requirement to allow
> crawling and indexing of (parts of) the site.

I expect we want to allow crawling the site, all of the pages are
public and most of them are useful for search engines to index.

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Re: wiki pages with "Redirected from page "XX/Shell""

2020-01-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:45 AM leela52452 wrote:

> the following hyperlinks contain english content with message "Redirected 
> from page "XX/Shell""
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/Shell?action=show=ru%2FShell
> https://wiki.debian.org/Shell?action=show=pt_BR%2FShell

Looking at the raw text, it seems the translations were outdated and
have been proposed to be removed:

https://wiki.debian.org/ru/Shell?action=raw
https://wiki.debian.org/pt_BR/Shell?action=raw

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Re: interwiki link issue [[Debian Package Tracker]] as ?Debian Package Tracker on our wiki

2020-01-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 8:54 AM leela52452 wrote:

> [[Debian Package Tracker]] is displaying as ?Debian Package Tracker
>
> how do i fix the issue ?

You need to include the full page name:

[[Services/Debian Package Tracker]]

If linking from the Services page, you can link to the page like this:

[[/Debian Package Tracker]]

If linking from a Services sub-page, you can link to the page like this:

[[../Debian Package Tracker]]

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Re: Why is wiki.debian.org forbidden for me ?

2019-12-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 3:36 PM Jörg Müller wrote:

> my name is Joerg Mueller, since many years my favorite Linux
> Distribution is Debian. Most of all PC's and Notebooks in our house work
> with Debian. For a while - when I'm searching for help from
> wiki.debian.org, I only get the message, "Forbidden".
> When I call that page from My Smartphone, I can see it. It seems, that
> something from our in-house network is wrong. I would like to find this
> fault and correct it. There is much of knowledge, I can not see because
> of this fault. Could you please help me to find it.

This means your public IP address or your network or ISP got onto the
wiki's IP banlist. Unfortunately the wiki software doesn't yet allow
to separate bans on editing from bans on reading. We will need your
public IP address in order to investigate. If you prefer not to reveal
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Re: Dealing with spam on the mailing lists

2019-12-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 5:23 AM nyov wrote:

> I propose a global double-opt-in approach for unknown email-addresses
> to debian's Mailing-Lists as a non-human moderation process.

Debian gets a lot of folks (especially on debian-www) who send us only
one mail/thread, so I think double opt-in is likely to be an undue
burden on those people and could put off potential future contributors
contacting us for the first time.

We also get a lot of folks who can't manage to unsubscribe from
announce mailing lists, even when someone (like me) puts their email
address into the unsubscribe form for them, so I think your proposal
would be somewhere between very hard and impossible for a subset of
Debian mailing list posters to navigate.

Personally, I think that the completely open mailing lists and bug
tracking systems with no account creation or need to prove oneself in
any way is a huge advantage of Debian. When I try to contact other
projects about small issues I see or questions I have and get blocked
by moderation or having to register an account it is quite annoying
and sometimes leads me to forget my issue or question or just leave in
frustration.

I think that optimising for lack of spam over openness optimises for
the time of Debian insiders who have been with the project for a long
time over people encountering us for the first time. As we are all
getting older I would prefer that we become more inclusive over time
rather than less.

Our human-moderated wiki sign up process already puts people off and
sometimes generates unfortunately but understandably hostile
responses. It has been a huge blessing for almost completely
eliminating spam though (IIRC I got fooled by a spammer once or twice)
on the wiki though. While there is room for improvement on tech,
wording and moderation team size, I think it is not a good idea to
extend moderation to the mailing lists and BTS in particular. OTOH I
would like to see an enhanced wiki-style moderation for accounts on
Salsa & any future SSO platform, with the moderation staffed by a
"Debian Welcome Team" who are knowledgable about welcoming new folks
and knowledgable about the breadth and history of Debian in order to
direct folks to the right places.

https://wiki.debian.org/Welcome

Even full human moderation of every new poster isn't going to be
perfect, I got fooled by spammers attempting to spam the wiki once or
twice and I regularly see folks responding to spam on debian-www.

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Re: Can't upload screenshots

2019-12-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 8:09 PM Will Godfrey wrote:

> To: debian-www@lists.debian.org

Please contact the screenshots service admin:

https://screenshots.debian.net/about

I have access to approve screenshots but not to debug issues with the site.

> I've been trying to upload new screenshots for Yoshimi from time to time for
> several years, but every time I try I get a recapture failure. Some to ones
> being shown now are very much out of date.

The ones you uploaded today seem to have worked, I just approved a
whole bunch of them:

https://screenshots.debian.net/package/yoshimi

> As it happens, almost all the ones I would like to present are actually within
> the package itself and have been (kept fully updated) for some time.
> They are in Miscellany/Images

Are the images automatically generated at build time? Or are they
manually generated and committed to the source code repository?

There aren't any automatic mechanisms for screenshots within packages
to be uploaded to screenshots.debian.net, so you will need to manually
upload.

Also, screenshots.debian.net images are versioned, so you can request
images closest to a specific version. For this reason we don't remove
old versions.

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Re: Is the "mainboards" page still maintained?

2019-12-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 8:57 PM Julien-Benjamin  wrote:

> I would like to know if the page "Mainboards" was still maintained.

amd64 is basically the entire computing market apart from mobile
nowadays, so maintaining a list of amd64-capable boards is now pretty
pointless.

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Re: where can i find about short codes on our wiki, ex: DebianBug:gimp

2019-12-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:25 AM Paul Wise wrote:

> Debian's extra InterWiki links are defined here:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/InterWikiMap

BTW, it is not necessary to use the DebianWiki InterWiki for links to
pages on the Debian wiki, because page links go to the Debian wiki by
default, so using the DebianWiki InterWiki just adds extra bytes to
the page for no reason.

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Re: where can i find about short codes on our wiki, ex: DebianBug:gimp

2019-12-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 1:51 AM leela52452 wrote:

> i have come across few short codes, DebianBug:gimp, DebianMan:arc.1, 
> DebPkg:atool

This is a feature of MoinMoin called InterWiki links:

https://moinmo.in/InterWiki
https://moinmo.in/InterWikiMap

> where can i find about them ?

Debian's extra InterWiki links are defined here:

https://wiki.debian.org/InterWikiMap

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Re: to proxy or not to proxy using http://deb.li?

2019-11-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:24 AM Patrice Duroux wrote:

> http://deb.li are currently very slow or doesn't provide any answer to me.

Please try to diagnose that issue and report the results to the admin

https://wiki.debian.org/deb.li
https://deb.li/imprint.html

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Re: to proxy or not to proxy using http://deb.li?

2019-11-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:24 AM Patrice Duroux wrote:

> Any opinion on those links?

I think the wiki should use direct links instead of deb.li links
unless there is a reason to do otherwise, please feel free to update
the links.

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Bug#944932: www.debian.org: certain pages on www.debian.org are 403 Forbidden

2019-11-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 4:57 AM Christopher Cooper wrote:

> I'm still seeing 403s for https://www.debian.org/security and some
> subdirectories (e.g. /security/dsa-long).

Which IP address are you accessing?

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Re: no changelog for Lightning

2019-11-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:39 AM Vladimir Zhuravlev wrote:

> https://packages.debian.org/jessie/lightning
>
> "Debian Changelog" on this page gives a 404 error.

This problem has been known since 2008:

https://bugs.debian.org/490848

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Bug#944025: wiki.debian.org: Instructions for TP-Link TL WN821N Guide do not function as predicted

2019-11-02 Thread Paul Wise
Control: close -1

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 7:57 AM Greg Pfister wrote:

> built kernel module following guide on page "https://wiki.debian,org/wifi; - 
> No
> Errors on build nor installation of module - on 4.19.0-5-amd64 however recived
> the following error in system log: x86/modules: Skipping invalid relocation
> target, existing value is nonzero for type 1, loc da5661c0, val
> c0f35572"

This sounds like a bug in the WiFi driver you are compiling, not a bug
in the wiki page. Please report the issue to the driver developer
instead.

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Re: Bug / feature request: Display debian.org in browser language

2019-10-31 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 8:23 PM Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> On 2019-10-31 11:40, Tukusej’s Sirs wrote:
> >
> > Currently, it decides (I believe) according to the IP address, but I
> > suggest it should check the browser settings.
>
> It *does* use the browser settings - see https://www.debian.org/intro/cn

If you are unable to change your browser settings, there is an
override mechanism that uses cookies:

https://www.debian.org/intro/cn#override

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Re: AW: Future of MoinMoin (Wiki) - EOL of Python 2.7 and lacking Progress in development of MoinMoin 2

2019-10-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, 2019-10-13 at 15:15 +0200, Max-Immanuel Appel wrote:

> Is the Debian Wiki going to run on potentially unstable software?

We will revisit the decision when the time comes since Python 2.7 and
MoinMoin 1 still have a number of years of security support in Debian
stable and LTS, but if we have to, we will evaluate MoinMoin 2 before
getting it into Debian and before potentially using it. I expect it is
probably more stable than what the label says.

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Re: Future of MoinMoin (Wiki) - EOL of Python 2.7 and lacking Progress in development of MoinMoin 2

2019-10-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 9:22 AM Max-Immanuel Appel wrote:

> I was wondering what the stance of the team behind the debian wiki is 
> regarding the future use of MoinMoin in it’s current state.

I expect that we will migrate to MoinMoin 2, which is being ported to Python 3:

https://github.com/moinwiki/moin

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Re: Hello

2019-10-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 4:36 PM Khaing Gyi wrote:

> Hello Sir, How to download windows 7 vdi image. My PC has a little of error. 
> Please, Can you help me?

Please ask for help on the Microsoft forums:

https://answers.microsoft.com/
https://technet.microsoft.com/

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Re: Help

2019-10-06 Thread Paul Wise
Hi Jeremy,

Please ask for help on the Debian user support channels:

https://www.debian.org/support

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Re: Photoprint

2019-10-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 4:00 AM Wayne Griffiths wrote:

> Will the hp program photoprint be added to the new debian buster 10 as
> it was available in stretch?

The photoprint package was removed from Debian in 2018 as it failed to
build and was unmaintained in Debian since 2013 and upstream since
2010:

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/photoprint
https://bugs.debian.org/915191

PS: please ask these sort of questions on the Debian user support
channels in future:

https://www.debian.org/support

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Re: git clone failed.

2019-09-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 11:42 AM sebul wrote:

> $ git clone g...@salsa.debian.org:webmaster-team/webwml.git
> Cloning into 'webwml'...
> g...@salsa.debian.org: Permission denied (publickey).
> fatal: Could not read from remote repository.

Does your salsa account have the new SSH key from your new laptop?

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Re: Debian Wiki - macro like <> for translated pages?

2019-09-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 9:42 PM Beatrice Torracca wrote:

> Perfect!! and with no work at all to do for translators *bg*

I learned to be lazy through automation early on :)

> On sabato 14 settembre 2019, at 19:41 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> > I found that macro.formatter.page.pi['language'] contains the language code.
>
> That happens when you know what you are doing :)

I had no idea beforehand, I just searched the builtin macro code for
'language' and eventually found a function that stores the page info
into the pi dictionary. OTOH, I did know Python before doing this :)

> Thanks a lot for this. Seems like a small detail maybe, but you made my day.

Glad I could help :)

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Re: Debian Wiki - macro like <> for translated pages?

2019-09-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 3:28 PM Beatrice Torracca  wrote:

> There is a macro in the MoinMoin api to find if a page exist:

Thanks for the API pointer, with that and some grepping in the
codebase I managed to add a few changes to make my proposal work:

https://salsa.debian.org/debian/wiki.debian.org/commit/80ae82957ae6cd4e19bbeae55e68908bb4971683

It is already working on the Italian translation of the DebianReleases
page, it/DebianReleases links to it/DebianBuster but contains
<>.

> I did not find anything on a way to extract the iso-code of the language 
> (that does not mean it does not exist).

I found that macro.formatter.page.pi['language'] contains the language code.

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Re: Debian Wiki - macro like <> for translated pages?

2019-09-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 12:11 AM Beatrice Torracca wrote:

> Is it possible to implement similar macros for the translated pages.

It should be possible to do that, the options are:

> Something along the line of <> where NN is 
> the language code, at least for those languages which ask for it?
* Add a language parameter: <>
* Use the declared language of the page that is calling the macro when
generating the links.

Personally I like the last option because it means almost zero work
for translators, they just have to ensure the page language is
declared correctly, which, from a small sample, appears to already be
the case for probably many if not all of the translated pages.

Would you be interested in working on this? If so, the Python code for
Debian's custom macros is here:

https://salsa.debian.org/debian/wiki.debian.org/tree/master/var/moin/data/plugin/macro

If not I can take a look at how to find the current page language and
how to detect if the translated page exists, it should be easy to fix
the code once those are known.

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Re: Fehler in Errata-Page

2019-09-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 4:06 PM Spiro Trikaliotis wrote:

> The variant [1] does not work. However, if I add the "/updates" after
> "buster", the variant [1] works, despite the missing "/debian-security"

I've committed the change, it will be online in a few hours:

https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/commit/82b915b916b0c0fd6e675722a2964919ad82a866
https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/commit/fd74da6cf289b76cbe2c05fd6efd0e6c03d76467

I subsequently fixed bullseye, which will use a different scheme:

https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/commit/1b53acd1a1236a10ef76b706c36cf6495d8ebfcf
https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/commit/52e48d51dafedf6702ba33ae2abb2dd1fca9209c

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Re: The identity of nodiscc?

2019-09-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 1:38 AM Brian Potkin wrote:

> Changes credited to nodiscc in the wiki are quite common recently. Does
> the name denote a user who is a person or a team?

Seems like a very motivated person to me:

https://wiki.debian.org/nodiscc

They also showed up on IRC once but haven't recently.

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Re: debian.org Language Subdomain Proposal

2019-08-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 4:51 PM Paul Wise wrote:

> I've done some research and updated the web server config to allow for this.

I've made the web server keep the cookie up-to-date on every visit, so
it only expires when the user doesn't visit the Debian website for a
month. Setting the cookie, then visiting the website for a month and
then having the language change at the end of the month in the middle
of a browsing session could be annoying.

https://salsa.debian.org/dsa-team/mirror/dsa-puppet/commit/40f4c26555c219deb326e43daabd07c13d90a7cb

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Re: This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates.

2019-08-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2019-08-19 at 09:49 -0400, alexus wrote:

> I was trying to access following page:
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4
> 
> however this page does not exists (not yet, but rather anymore)

The page was recently renamed:

https://wiki.debian.org/Exim4Gmail
https://wiki.debian.org/Exim4Gmail?action=diff=48=49

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Re: wiki new account

2019-08-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:48 PM Qobi Ben Nun wrote:

> During Debian Day SP we had a talk about translation and some people are
> interested in helping with wiki pages.

Please ask them to read our guides for translators:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorGuide#translation
https://www.debian.org/international/Portuguese

> The thing is that they cannot get an account to start editing pages.

Please ask them to email w...@debian.org so we can approve their
accounts. Or you can send us a list of email addresses for bulk
approval.

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