RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filtering E-Greetings

2002-12-05 Thread R. Scott Perry


Scott should back me up or correct me on this. I think that you can
configure multiple test lines using Message Sniffer where each line looks
for a specific return value instead of nonzero. Something like the
following...

SNIFFERSPAM external 63 
SNIFFERSCUM external 62 

Note the 63 and 62 take the place of nonzero...


That is correct.


I think there is also an optimization in there that ensures Message Sniffer
is called only once if the same command line is used and that the result
code from the single call will be evaluated against the external test
lines...


Not yet, but it is something that we are planning to do.
-Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] How do I know when a message is truly SPAM?

2002-12-05 Thread Timothy C. Bohen
Okay I think that our declude is working great.

But from time to time my boss will get a bunch of crap in a day and come to
me complaining about it not working.

From what I can tell he gives his email address out to anybody or anything
that asks for it.

Is there any way I can look at headers and say look boss this isn't really
spam you signed up for it, or yeah this is REAL spam.

Thanks



Timothy C. Bohen
CMSInter.Net LLC / Crystal MicroSystems LLC
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How do I know when a message is truly SPAM?

2002-12-05 Thread Mark Smith
You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
You're always going to get false positives and false negatives.
The objective is to try to come up with a way to reduce the maximum
amount of spam without capturing legitimate email.

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 Timothy C. Bohen
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 To: Declude. JunkMail@declude. Com
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] How do I know when a message is 
 truly SPAM?
 
 
 Okay I think that our declude is working great.
 
 But from time to time my boss will get a bunch of crap in a 
 day and come to me complaining about it not working.
 
 From what I can tell he gives his email address out to anybody or 
 anything
 that asks for it.
 
 Is there any way I can look at headers and say look boss this 
 isn't really spam you signed up for it, or yeah this is REAL spam.
 
 Thanks
 
 
 
 Timothy C. Bohen
 CMSInter.Net LLC / Crystal MicroSystems LLC 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] change HOLD location

2002-12-05 Thread Todd Ryan
How about trying robocopy.exe from the NT or 2000 resource kit?  It has a
great MIRROR option that makes a complete copy in the target location
(deleting files that are gone, copying new and changed files, ignoring
unchanged files).  It would probably be much faster.

And it also has an exclude feature which you could probably use to exclude
the HOLD files.

--Todd.


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] change HOLD location


 That is a bummer, I'm using xcopy to backup files from one computer to
 another, and the hold directly can have as many as 3000 messages over the
 weekend (which is big plug for the effectiveness of declude)

 thanks, andy

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 Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] change HOLD location


 
  Is there a way to change the location of HOLD messages from the
default?
 
  No, there isn't, but that is something we are planning to change.
  -Scott
 
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[Declude.JunkMail] IPNOTINMX

2002-12-05 Thread Vincent Toussaint
Title: Message



Hello all 
!
First time I use 
Declude.Junkmail...

IPNOTINMX can someone tell me what to do with : 
IPNOTINMX ??? All the incoming messages fail the test 
... Can't find the line to edit it in $default$.junkmail 
.

What 
should I do with it ?






Re: [Declude.JunkMail] IPNOTINMX

2002-12-05 Thread R. Scott Perry


IPNOTINMX  can someone tell me what to do with : IPNOTINMX  ???   All the 
incoming messages fail the test ...  Can't find the line to edit it in 
$default$.junkmail .

What should I do with it ?

That is part of the beta version.

It is normal for legitimate E-mails to fail that test; you can search the 
archives of this mailing list for more details about the test.
   -Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] How do I know when a message is truly SPAM?

2002-12-05 Thread Timothy C. Bohen
Okay I think that our declude is working great.

But from time to time my boss will get a bunch of crap in a day and come to
me complaining about it not working.

From what I can tell he gives his email address out to anybody or anything
that asks for it.

Is there any way I can look at headers and say look boss this isn't really
spam you signed up for it, or yeah this is REAL spam.

Thanks



Timothy C. Bohen
CMSInter.Net LLC / Crystal MicroSystems LLC
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY: What a pain

2002-12-05 Thread Mishi Saravi
Scott,

Thanks for your email. I have been on this mission for the past 48 hours.
The IP addresses of the mail server is 12.150.120.228 and 12.150.120.230.
The two addresses belong to the same server and I am running Imail 7.13 with
Declude. My SMTP security is set at NORELAY. I also emailed
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

with subject relay:12.150.120.228
and the same for 12.150.120.230 individually. I have done this numerous
times and
can see the log file showing the emails having been delivered. What else do
I need
to do to satisfy  good for nothing list? Is there anyone out there who
could help me on this?

Many Thanks

Mishi

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From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY: What a pain



 So here is the deal: we have an IP address that is list/or reported (who
 knows)
 with OSRELAY (http://relays.osirusoft.com/) as an open relay. Me and
another
 engineer have been on site trying to figure out how to de-list this IP
 address.

 You can de-list it by making sure that it is no longer an open relay.  :)



 There is no confirmation of a test being successful or failed.
 There is no telling whatsoever how they determined an open relay.

 I thought that Osirusoft listed information about open relays.

 If not, have you checked your IMail log files to see if one of their tests
 got through?
  -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY: What a pain

2002-12-05 Thread R. Scott Perry


Thanks for your email. I have been on this mission for the past 48 hours.
The IP addresses of the mail server is 12.150.120.228 and 12.150.120.230.
The two addresses belong to the same server and I am running Imail 7.13 with
Declude.


You aren't in the list anymore.  Our DNSstuff.com site still has the cached 
results that show that you were in there, but connecting directly shows 
that they no longer list either IP.
-Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] Hop

2002-12-05 Thread Tom


We just added another mail server outside of our network in-case of
a system outage.  The mail server was designed to hold the mail
and then forward it once our system is back up and running, however,
since it is listed in our DNS MX records some mail is sent to this
server thus defeating some of Declude's features.  So, I was wondering
what would be the best way to resolve this using Declude?  

HOP and/or HOPHIGH?

If not what then what?
If so what's the best way to do it?

Thanks in advance,
Tom
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hop

2002-12-05 Thread R. Scott Perry


We just added another mail server outside of our network in-case of
a system outage.  The mail server was designed to hold the mail
and then forward it once our system is back up and running, however,
since it is listed in our DNS MX records some mail is sent to this
server thus defeating some of Declude's features.  So, I was wondering
what would be the best way to resolve this using Declude?


In this case, you can add a line like IPBYPASS 192.0.2.220 to the 
\IMail\Declude\global.cfg file, to let Declude JunkMail know not to scan 
E-mail from that IP.  You can keep your HOP and HOPHIGH settings as they 
currently are.
   -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hop

2002-12-05 Thread Tom
 In this case, you can add a line like IPBYPASS 192.0.2.220 to the 
 \IMail\Declude\global.cfg file, to let Declude JunkMail know not to scan 
 E-mail from that IP.  You can keep your HOP and HOPHIGH settings as they 
 currently are.


Sorry, perhaps I stated it wrong.  I want the mail to be scanned, 
however, I want to make sure my fromfile and HELO lists work.


Regards,
Tom

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How do I know when a message is truly SPAM?

2002-12-05 Thread Mark Smith
One other thought...
Turn off declude for a few days and see how much spam he gets. He'll
shut-up.
I did it to my VP and it worked like I charm. :)

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
 Timothy C. Bohen
 Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 2:41 PM
 To: Declude. JunkMail@declude. Com
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] How do I know when a message is 
 truly SPAM?
 
 
 Okay I think that our declude is working great.
 
 But from time to time my boss will get a bunch of crap in a 
 day and come to me complaining about it not working.
 
 From what I can tell he gives his email address out to anybody or 
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 that asks for it.
 
 Is there any way I can look at headers and say look boss this 
 isn't really spam you signed up for it, or yeah this is REAL spam.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hop

2002-12-05 Thread Tom
 The IPBYPASS line should do that.  If you have IPBYPASS 
 192.0.2.220, and an E-mail arrives from 192.0.2.220, 
 Declude JunkMail should scan the E-mail based on the IP 
 address that connected to 192.0.2.220, and use the HELO 
 information from the connection to 192.0.2.220.

Gotcha.

Regards,
Tom
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hop

2002-12-05 Thread John Tolmachoff
Scott, is it possible to do that for a range?

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hop

 The IPBYPASS line should do that.  If you have IPBYPASS 
 192.0.2.220, and an E-mail arrives from 192.0.2.220, 
 Declude JunkMail should scan the E-mail based on the IP 
 address that connected to 192.0.2.220, and use the HELO 
 information from the connection to 192.0.2.220.

Gotcha.

Regards,
Tom
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hop

2002-12-05 Thread Bill Landry
Won't matter if you have defined IPBYPASS for the backup MX's IP address,
because once the message is relayed to your IMail server by the backup MX,
Declude will then run its tests against the IP address that connected to the
backup MX, not the backup MX itself.

Bill

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From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Hop




We just added another mail server outside of our network in-case of
a system outage.  The mail server was designed to hold the mail
and then forward it once our system is back up and running, however,
since it is listed in our DNS MX records some mail is sent to this
server thus defeating some of Declude's features.  So, I was wondering
what would be the best way to resolve this using Declude?  

HOP and/or HOPHIGH?

If not what then what?
If so what's the best way to do it?

Thanks in advance,
Tom
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hop

2002-12-05 Thread John Tolmachoff
 Occasionally people will have mail forwarded from another 
mailserver that they have an account on, and they use IPBYPASS in that 
situation, but that isn't common.

The situation I am thinking of is a user has a yahoo.com e-mail account that
is forward to his account on our server.

The messages that are forwarded from yahoo.com appear to be coming from
about 10-12 different IP address, but from within a range. (Not sequential)

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com


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