[Declude.JunkMail] More more !--UserID--

2003-01-16 Thread Kami Razvan
Title: Message Hi; There has to be something that can be done about detecting this... == Prev!--info--ent Prema!--info--ture Agin!--info--!--info--g and DiseasebrB!--info--uild Lea!--info--ner Mus!--info--cle Mas!--info--sbrRe!--info--duce Bo!--info--dy Fa!--info--t and

[Declude.JunkMail] How does Declude detect this?

2003-01-16 Thread Kami Razvan
Title: Message Hi; I am just curious as to how Declude read this - is the word Whateversomething.com a continous word or a broken word? In email bodies text shows as broken in multiple lines. I am just curious as to when a word is broken (at least as it appears when we look at the source)

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More more !--UserID--

2003-01-16 Thread Markus Gufler
Title: Nachricht Hi Kami SpamChk takes care of this. There is a parameter "FakedHTMLComments" that searches for repeated html-comments like !--xyz-- where "xyz" is even the same. This should not trigger html-comments in certain newsletters. Additional SpamChk removes all HTML-Tags before

[Declude.JunkMail] Total weight as X-header

2003-01-16 Thread David Lewis-Waller
Is it possible to add an X-HEADER that shows the total weight of the email without using a zero weighted action? For instance if a WARN action is applied then the total weight range is shown: X-RBL-Warning: SPAM-NONE: Total weight between 0 and 4. If a SUBJECT action is used only test

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How does Declude detect this?

2003-01-16 Thread R. Scott Perry
I am just curious as to how Declude read this - is the word Whateversomething.com a continous word or a broken word? In email bodies text shows as broken in multiple lines. I am just curious as to when a word is broken (at least as it appears when we look at the source) - is the word

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Total weight as X-header

2003-01-16 Thread R. Scott Perry
Is it possible to add an X-HEADER that shows the total weight of the email without using a zero weighted action? I think what you are looking for is a variation on: XINHEADER X-Spam-Tests-Failed: %TESTSFAILED% [%WEIGHT%] You could change this to something like:

[Declude.JunkMail] Exclude Local Users from the Wordfilter test

2003-01-16 Thread Greg Foulks
Is it possible to exclude local users from the Wordfilter test. I have some users that are trying to send out group messages but some of the content is being caught in the wordfilter and they have a legitimate reason to use some of these words. Thanks, Greg Foulks, MCP NewFound

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Total weight as X-header

2003-01-16 Thread David Lewis-Waller
Scott, Thanks just the ticket, I couldn't see the wood for the trees. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: 16 January 2003 13:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Total weight as X-header Is

[Declude.JunkMail] How obscene is Basement?

2003-01-16 Thread Kami Razvan
Title: Message Scott... Hopefully in one of the future releases we can come up with a filter that works with before and after space.. After all how obscene is the word basement? Drawings were being sent to me for our office that were not reaching me! Why? the filter: SUBJECT12

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How obscene is Basement?

2003-01-16 Thread John Tolmachoff
Declude does allow spaces. So, thy this: Current: SUBJECT 12 CONTAINS s_e_m_e_n (without the quotes and underscores) New: SUBJECT 12 CONTAINS s_e_m_e_n (without quotes and underscores) John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA IT Manager, Network Engineer RelianceSoft, Inc. Fullerton, CA 92835

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How obscene is Basement?

2003-01-16 Thread Markus Gufler
Title: Nachricht in SpamChk you can set #semen#=15 ;-) Markus -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kami RazvanSent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:31 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] How obscene is Basement?

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Exclude Local Users from the Wordfiltertest

2003-01-16 Thread R. Scott Perry
Is it possible to exclude local users from the Wordfilter test. I have some users that are trying to send out group messages but some of the content is being caught in the wordfilter and they have a legitimate reason to use some of these words. One option would be to whitelist the users that

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How obscene is Basement?

2003-01-16 Thread Andy Schmidt
Title: Message Oh, this is all sementics. :-) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kami RazvanSent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:31 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] How obscene is Basement? Scott...

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How obscene is Basement?

2003-01-16 Thread Bill Landry
John, I don't think that a space before the word does anything (unless support for this has been added to JunkMail recently), but a space after the word in the filter file would prevent basement from being flagged by the work semen . Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Exclude Local Users from the Wordfilter test

2003-01-16 Thread John Tolmachoff
Here is an idea for you. The word filter tests are in one file as one test. Create a new test as a fromfile and list the from addresses of your uses and use a negative fail weight equal to or more than the wordfilter test. Example: WORDFILTER1 filter

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How obscene is Basement?

2003-01-16 Thread John Tolmachoff
John, I don't think that a space before the word does anything (unless support for this has been added to JunkMail recently), but a space after the word in the filter file would prevent basement from being flagged by the work semen . Bill, good point. I forgot about that. Scott,

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Exclude Local Users from the Wordfilter test

2003-01-16 Thread Greg Foulks
John, Good point. Questions though about the order that test are run. If adding a fromfile test how would that effect spam that is sent to in to our mail server with an internal user as the return address? Thanks, Greg Foulks, MCP NewFound Technologies, Inc. http://www.nfti.com Email: [EMAIL

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Exclude Local Users from the Wordfilter test

2003-01-16 Thread John Tolmachoff
Good point. Questions though about the order that test are run. If adding a fromfile test how would that effect spam that is sent to in to our mail server with an internal user as the return address? Greg, do you mean an e-mail sent to your local users which has the return or from address the

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter Questions/Suggestions

2003-01-16 Thread paul
Kami, Just had a few questions on your lists, first, this entry: .247mail.com 38 What's the 38? The # of times you've caught this name? How many others use this method? I don't, which is why I ask, I have all I can do just plowing through all this stuff. But if it helps you to see

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How obscene is Basement?

2003-01-16 Thread John Tolmachoff
Declude Virus looks for the first non-whitespace character after CONTAINS to see where to start the filter text. So any spaces/tabs that appear at the beginning will be ignored, but they will be used if they appear after the first character of the filter text. Thanks. I am sure you mean

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Exclude Local Users from the Wordfilter test

2003-01-16 Thread Greg Foulks
Just like what Scott said. What if I create this fromfile and add a negative weight of 20 and a Spam message comes in with a From or Return address that matches one of the address in the fromfile. Won't it then take 20 points away from the weight of the message? I guess the other part of the

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter Questions/Suggestions

2003-01-16 Thread Kami Razvan
Hi; Those numbers are nothing - for all practical purposes. They are reference numbers that help us find it. The same goes with Tom's list. The number is internally made allowing them to monitor it. Beside that it really does not nothing in Declude. About our number -- that is simply the

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Exclude Local Users from the Wordfilter test

2003-01-16 Thread John Tolmachoff
Just like what Scott said. What if I create this fromfile and add a negative weight of 20 and a Spam message comes in with a From or Return address that matches one of the address in the fromfile. Won't it then take 20 points away from the weight of the message? Yes it would. Welcome to the

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More more !--UserID--

2003-01-16 Thread jcochran
SpamChk takes care of this. There is a parameter FakedHTMLComments that searches for repeated html-comments like !--xyz-- where xyz is even the same. This should not trigger html-comments in certain newsletters. Caught this late, what is SpamChk...? Additional SpamChk removes all HTML-Tags

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More more !--UserID--

2003-01-16 Thread R. Scott Perry
I would think a simple stripping of all HTML comments from mail before JunkMail processing would take care of this. Is this something that has been considered? I realize the load it may make on heavier traffic systems. It has been considered, but like other similar ideas (such as decoding

[Declude.JunkMail] Is a BASE64 attachment considered body?

2003-01-16 Thread Aaron Moreau-Cook
All, Would this command below catch APPLE if it was in a BASE64 attachment? Are Attachments considered part of the body. BODY 15 CONTAINS APPLE Thanks --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Is a BASE64 attachment considered body?

2003-01-16 Thread R. Scott Perry
Would this command below catch APPLE if it was in a BASE64 attachment? Are Attachments considered part of the body. BODY 15 CONTAINS APPLE Yes and no. :) A base64 attachment is part of the body of the E-mail (Declude JunkMail scans the entire body, attachments and all). So yes, it will be

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Is a BASE64 attachment considered body?

2003-01-16 Thread Aaron Moreau-Cook
Thanks Scott, my concern is text that is BASE64 encoded to APPLE being caught by the check. Thanks again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More more !--UserID--

2003-01-16 Thread Madscientist
]Something that we are also considering is a test that checks for more than ]X HTML comments in an E-mail (preferably just counting ones in the middle ]of words, such as unsub!-- user --scribe, rather than to !-- ]user -- ]unsubscribe, as the former prevents filtering whereas the latter ]does

[Declude.JunkMail] WhiteList Per User or Domain?

2003-01-16 Thread Roger Heath
I know this question must have been asked about Declude, but thought I'd ask again anyway as I do not recall if there is a method possible. Is it possible to make a Declude domain or user setting that enables a whitelist of email sender addresses in the Pro version whereby all emails are

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] WhiteList Per User or Domain?

2003-01-16 Thread R. Scott Perry
Is it possible to make a Declude domain or user setting that enables a whitelist of email sender addresses in the Pro version whereby all emails are rejected or bounced accept a whitelist of senders? In other words reject or bounce all senders accept those that the user wishes to

Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] WhiteList Per User or Domain?

2003-01-16 Thread Roger Heath
Reply to: R. Scott Perry Re: [Declude.JunkMail] WhiteList Per User or Domain? on Thursday 3:13:03 PM Thanks. But a catchall is exactly what I don't want. What I want is a bounce so the sender knows his mail was not accepted... maybe a catchall if cannot deliver to sender...

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] WhiteList Per User or Domain?

2003-01-16 Thread John Tolmachoff
Is it possible to make a Declude domain or user setting that enables a whitelist of email sender addresses in the Pro version whereby all emails are rejected or bounced accept a whitelist of senders? In other words reject or bounce all senders accept those that the user wishes to

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Is a BASE64 attachment considered body?

2003-01-16 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Given the huge rise in BASE64 encoded message text I've seen, matching BODY on decoded message text would be welcome indeed. Likewise, I've seen a few (rare) false positives when BODY matched text within an attachment. Not that I'm trying to re-invent Declude Virus, but what I found was that:

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More more !--UserID--

2003-01-16 Thread Markus Gufler
... what is SpamChk...? It's an external test for declude and makes content based tests. At the moment it's in beta phase by some users on this list and on the declude spamtrap (www.declude.com/spamtrap.htm) We're preparing a website where everyone can read more about and download it for

Re[3]: [Declude.JunkMail] WhiteList Per User or Domain?

2003-01-16 Thread R. Scott Perry
I think I mentioned this to you earlier, Scott; If you could have the user edit their addressbook in Imail web mail as a whitelist, and Declude used this, then the user could manage their own whitelist. This is something that we are also giving some serious thought to (perhaps an

Re: Re[3]: [Declude.JunkMail] WhiteList Per User or Domain?

2003-01-16 Thread Sanford Whiteman
I think I mentioned this to you earlier, Scott; If you could have the user edit their addressbook in Imail web mail as a whitelist, and Declude used this, then the user could manage their own whitelist. Try the Personal SPAManager Whitelist page at http://209.227.3.6 (user demo, password

Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] WhiteList Per User or Domain?

2003-01-16 Thread Roger Heath
Reply to: R. Scott Perry Re: [Declude.JunkMail] WhiteList Per User or Domain? on Thursday 5:57:27 PM Scott, the only thing that would concern me is that I use multiple disk drives for my users accounts, for example: activatormail.com d:\actmail techknow.com c:\Imail\techknow