[Declude.JunkMail] [OT] iMail 6.06 behind firewall

2003-10-06 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
I know this is off-topic, but I've attempted numerous times to put our
server behind a firewall, but upon doing so, the queue grows to an enormous
proportion and the only way to clear it is to remove it from behind the
firewall.

Besides the normal ports 25, 110 and 80 (for web mail), do I also have to
keep 1024-65525 open as well for iMail to work properly?  Seems stupid to do
since normal standardized e-mail should only use the above mentioned three
ports (sendmail does).

I've contacted Ipswitch about this, and get the same ol' line about
upgrading to the latest version and getting full support.  But since my boss
is cheap and won't upgrade, it makes my life not too pleasant.

Thanks for any help you may offer..  -Jeff


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] [OT] iMail 6.06 behind firewall

2003-10-06 Thread Bud Durland
Jeff Maze - Hostmaster wrote:

I know this is off-topic, but I've attempted numerous times to put our
server behind a firewall, but upon doing so, the queue grows to an enormous
proportion and the only way to clear it is to remove it from behind the
firewall.


Some firewalls apply the same filters to both incoming and outgoing 
traffic, others have separate filter rules depending on direction.  If 
the build up is outgoing messages, it sounds like you firewall is one of 
the latter type -- bugs check in but the can't check out

Make sure that port 25 is open *outbound*.



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] [OT] iMail 6.06 behind firewall

2003-10-06 Thread Russ Uhte \(Lists\)
At 07:42 AM 10/6/2003, Jeff Maze - Hostmaster wrote:
I know this is off-topic, but I've attempted numerous times to put our
server behind a firewall, but upon doing so, the queue grows to an enormous
proportion and the only way to clear it is to remove it from behind the
firewall.
Besides the normal ports 25, 110 and 80 (for web mail), do I also have to
keep 1024-65525 open as well for iMail to work properly?  Seems stupid to do
since normal standardized e-mail should only use the above mentioned three
ports (sendmail does).


Where does your DNS server sit?  If it isn't behind the firewall, you're 
gonna have to open up ports for DNS.  I would recommend udp from mail IP 
src port 1024-65525 to DNS ip dst port 53.  And also the opposite of that, 
udp from DNS IP src port 53 to mail ip dst port 1024-65525.  As a side 
note, you won't need the reverse rule if your firewall can do UDP stateful 
inspection.

Also, a big clue would be in your IMail logs.  Post a clip of those, and 
I'm sure you'll find your answer.

-Russ 

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] [OT] iMail 6.06 behind firewall

2003-10-06 Thread R. Scott Perry

Besides the normal ports 25, 110 and 80 (for web mail), do I also have to
keep 1024-65525 open as well for iMail to work properly?
No -- while the ports 1024-65535 are used on the client side, the firewall 
only cares about the server side ports (since almost all client side ports 
will be in the 1024-65535 range).

The problem here is probably DNS -- if the firewall doesn't allow 
*outgoing* DNS traffic (UDP port 53 and TCP port 53), it would account for 
the problem.  If you set up your firewall to block all outgoing requests to 
non-standard ports (so that you can't reach http://www.example.com:, 
for example), then you would need to add DNS to its list of allowed ports.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Question - Weight 10?

2003-10-06 Thread Bridges, Samantha
Good morning all.

I blocked weight 10 and found it blocking too many legitimate mail.  I
went back to Warn for weight 10 and starting getting more spam.  Below
is the headers from a spam message that is failing the weight 10 test.
It is spam and I want to find another way to block mail like this.

How would you block this message, since you cannot block weight 10 and
still get legitimate mail?

Thanks for any help.

Samantha 


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question - Weight 10?

2003-10-06 Thread Omar K.
I have used spamchk (an add on for declude) www.spamchk.com and its pretty
good at catching such emails, as long as the filters are configured
correctly.

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Good morning all.

I blocked weight 10 and found it blocking too many legitimate mail.  I
went back to Warn for weight 10 and starting getting more spam.  Below
is the headers from a spam message that is failing the weight 10 test.
It is spam and I want to find another way to block mail like this.

How would you block this message, since you cannot block weight 10 and
still get legitimate mail?

Thanks for any help.

Samantha 


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question - Weight 10?

2003-10-06 Thread Marc Catuogno
I guess I might add more weight to SAL, maybe reduce the negative weight of
IPNOTINMX to start.

I have some of the following in a filter file to add little weight, I don't
know if it is a great idea but it usually helps.

HEADERS 0 CONTAIN Bargains.net
HEADERS 0 CONTAIN Bargain.net
HEADERS 0 CONTAIN Deals.com
HEADERS 0 CONTAIN   free-gifts
HEADERS 0 CONTAIN TailWaggingOffer
HEADERS 0 CONTAIN specialoffer
HEADERS 0 CONTAIN freeoffers
HEADERS 0 CONTAIN dealz

These are just some of the little weights I add, so if a mail has enough
of this it will get held (hopefully deleted). I'm assuming that you are
using Declude Pro

Marc



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Good morning all.

I blocked weight 10 and found it blocking too many legitimate mail.  I
went back to Warn for weight 10 and starting getting more spam.  Below
is the headers from a spam message that is failing the weight 10 test.
It is spam and I want to find another way to block mail like this.

How would you block this message, since you cannot block weight 10 and
still get legitimate mail?

Thanks for any help.

Samantha


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question - Weight 10?

2003-10-06 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Hello Samantha.

While the default WEIGHT10 and WEIGHT20 settings are good starting points, I
firmly believe that more granular control is needed.

This is accomplished using the weight range settings. 

Example, here is my configuration:

WEIGHT9 IGNORE
WEIGHTRANGE10-14IGNORE
WEIGHTRANGE15-19IGNORE
WEIGHTRANGE20-24IGNORE
WEIGHTRANGE25-29HOLD
WEIGHTRANGE30-34HOLD
WEIGHTRANGE35-39DELETE
WEIGHTRANGE40-44DELETE
WEIGHTRANGE45-59DELETE
WEIGHT50DELETE

Then, when ever I make changes to the tests, I can easily adjust the actions
for a couple of days to make sure the changes I make do not cause problems.

This way also, I force higher weights and higher allowances for FP.

John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
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 Good morning all.
 
 I blocked weight 10 and found it blocking too many legitimate mail.  I
 went back to Warn for weight 10 and starting getting more spam.  Below
 is the headers from a spam message that is failing the weight 10 test.
 It is spam and I want to find another way to block mail like this.
 
 How would you block this message, since you cannot block weight 10 and
 still get legitimate mail?
 
 Thanks for any help.
 
 Samantha
 
 
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[Declude.JunkMail] maybe its just one of AOL's servers???

2003-10-06 Thread Marc Catuogno

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hurah!

2003-10-06 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Ok, Joshie, I'll bite.  You received a NXDOMAIN response when querying for a
.com TLD, which means... 

Verisign is no longer hijacking, I mean wildcarding, all non-existent .com
and .net domains to 64.94.110.11

The VERISCAM test is now useless.

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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Hurah!


Anyone notice what is so wonderful about the query below?


;  DiG 9.2.2  skjsakjsajkas.com
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 29043
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;skjsakjsajkas.com. IN  A

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
com.10800   IN  SOA a.gtld-servers.net. 
nstld.verisign-grs.com. 2003100400 1800 900 604800 86400


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System Engineer
AOL Time Warner
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[Declude.JunkMail] Is all of AOL listed in spamcop?

2003-10-06 Thread Marc Catuogno
What is up with this?  I just sent a test message to myself from AOL and I
got the same thing SPAMCOP BLOCKED, as if I didn't have enough trouble
getting AOL e-mail through, between the noabuse, no postmaster and
occasional BASE64 encoding.  IS there a test that can give aol address a
nice negative weight if they come from aol mail servers??

Help -

Thanks - Marc


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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:16:45 EDT
Subject: [SPAM]Re: FW: (no subject)
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MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary=part1_4f.35155d5a.2cb2ef6d_boundary
X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10577
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMCOP: Blocked - see
http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?152.163.225.101
X-RBL-Warning: NOABUSE: Not supporting [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-RBL-Warning: NOPOSTMASTER: Not supporting [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-RBL-Warning: FILTER: Message failed FILTER test (1083)
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT10: Weight of 27 reaches or exceeds the limit of 10.
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT25: Weight of 27 reaches or exceeds the limit of 25.
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [152.163.225.101]
X-Declude-Spoolname: D958f138401221f51.SMD
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SPAMCOP, NOABUSE, NOPOSTMASTER, IPNOTINMX,
NOLEGITCONTENT, FILTER, WEIGHT10, WEIGHT20, WEIGHT15, WEIGHT25 [27]
X-Country-Chain:
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hurah!

2003-10-06 Thread Todd Holt
Don't worry, with the politics of the situation and the money to be
made, it will return.  Just wait.

Todd Holt
Xidix Technologies, Inc
Las Vegas, NV  USA
www.xidix.com
702.319.4349



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew
 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 11:20 AM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hurah!
 
 Ok, Joshie, I'll bite.  You received a NXDOMAIN response when querying
for
 a
 .com TLD, which means...
 
 Verisign is no longer hijacking, I mean wildcarding, all non-existent
.com
 and .net domains to 64.94.110.11
 
 The VERISCAM test is now useless.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Joshua Levitsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 5:53 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Hurah!
 
 
 Anyone notice what is so wonderful about the query below?
 
 
 ;  DiG 9.2.2  skjsakjsajkas.com
 ;; global options:  printcmd
 ;; Got answer:
 ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 29043
 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
 
 ;; QUESTION SECTION:
 ;skjsakjsajkas.com. IN  A
 
 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
 com.10800   IN  SOA a.gtld-servers.net.
 nstld.verisign-grs.com. 2003100400 1800 900 604800 86400
 
 
 --
 Joshua Levitsky, CISSP, MCSE
 System Engineer
 AOL Time Warner
 [5957 F27C 9C71 E9A7 274A  0447 C9B9 75A4 9B41 D4D1]
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] maybe its just one of AOL's servers???

2003-10-06 Thread Keith Anderson


What is your NOLEGITCONTENT test?


 X-Spam-Tests-Failed: NOABUSE, NOPOSTMASTER, IPNOTINMX, NOLEGITCONTENT,
 FILTER, WEIGHT10 [10]


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] maybe its just one of AOL's servers???

2003-10-06 Thread Marc Catuogno
in the global config file:

NOLEGITCONTENT  nolegitcontent  x   x   0   -4

If you're asking me what it does I can only paraphrase Scott.  It looks for
things that are uncommon in spam but common in legitimate e-mails so that it
can give it some negative weight.

Marc

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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 03:44 PM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] maybe its just one of AOL's servers???




What is your NOLEGITCONTENT test?


 X-Spam-Tests-Failed: NOABUSE, NOPOSTMASTER, IPNOTINMX, NOLEGITCONTENT,
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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

2003-10-06 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 and don't tell me you wouldn't do the same...

That's  a  curious  sentiment  to  post on an anti-spam list! I'd have
hoped  everyone here believes we should be regulated by ethics as well
as statutes. Otherwise, why aren't we spamming for a living?

As  the three-way rubber-stamping between DoC, ICANN, and V$ has taken
its  many  sickening turns over the years, I have never for one moment
empathized  with  their mixture of collusion, bumbling, price gouging,
and  lies.  Sucked it up, yes. But no, I wouldn't do the same. If that
prevents  us  from becoming an 800-pound gorilla, fine; at least I can
sleep at night. I don't think that's so yesterday.

-Sandy



Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

2003-10-06 Thread Webmaster Oilfield Directory
Frankly, i applaud your sense of  duty and moral  fortitude and character,
it is very lacking in business today... that is all i was trying to say
,  my point was that although it's a sad truth about the world we live in,
and it ain't getting any better  most big corporations put their
bottomline before anything... case in point, Worldcom , Enron etc. etc. to
name a few   get my drift?

As far as anti-spam sentiments go... i'm just being realistic about this war
we are waging i  ( among others) challenged everyone to pull together
and beat them at their own game  rather than admitting defeat  are you
saying they are smarter than us... i find that hard to believe

just my 2 cents worth. :)



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From: Sanford Whiteman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Webmaster Oilfield Directory [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 6:13 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...


 

 That's  a  curious  sentiment  to  post on an anti-spam list! I'd have
 hoped  everyone here believes we should be regulated by ethics as well
 as statutes. Otherwise, why aren't we spamming for a living?

 As  the three-way rubber-stamping between DoC, ICANN, and V$ has taken
 its  many  sickening turns over the years, I have never for one moment
 empathized  with  their mixture of collusion, bumbling, price gouging,
 and  lies.  Sucked it up, yes. But no, I wouldn't do the same. If that
 prevents  us  from becoming an 800-pound gorilla, fine; at least I can
 sleep at night. I don't think that's so yesterday.

 -Sandy


 
 Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
 Broadleaf Systems, a division of
 Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hurah!

2003-10-06 Thread Joshua Levitsky
On Oct 6, 2003, at 2:19 PM, Colbeck, Andrew wrote:

Verisign is no longer hijacking, I mean wildcarding, all non-existent 
.com
and .net domains to 64.94.110.11

The VERISCAM test is now useless.
Correct about the VERISCAM test, but NXDOMAIN is a good thing. It's how 
the Internet is supposed to work.

-Josh

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Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

2003-10-06 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 most  big  corporations put their bottomline before anything... case
 in point, Worldcom , Enron etc. etc. to name a few get my drift?

Those  are  cases  of  high-dollar  abuse,  and  of  course  there are
thousands   of   smaller-time   abuses  going  on  all  the  time.  My
disagreement  was with your idea that *anyone* could/would do the same
if  the money were right. Just because evil is a constant doesn't mean
it's universal (I hope).

-Sandy




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