RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bug: Alias content counted as recipients

2004-01-09 Thread R. Scott Perry
Yes, SWITCHRECIP=ON. However, the problem stated with i12, we reproduced the problem at will until we went back to i8 - and then tne problem went away. So, something is wrong with SWITCHRECIP=ON and BYPASSMULTIRECP combination in i12. This may just be expected behavior with the SWITCHRECIP ON

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bug: Alias content counted as recipients

2004-01-09 Thread Andy Schmidt
Hi Scott: This may just be expected behavior with the SWITCHRECIP ON option I assume you are only referring to the fact, that a bounce message would list the same recipient 12 times - that expected behavior I can tolerate. But, with BYPASSMULTIRECP it is clear that for SPAM protection, a

Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread nick
Bill, I might give it a try on one of our test boxes. Sandy/Nick, what kind of performance hits have you experienced when adding Cygwin and SA to your IMail/Declude installations? Could be interesting to see how it will run with the existing IMail/Declude/Sniffer/Alligate/SpamCheck combo...

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bug: Alias content counted as recipients

2004-01-09 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] But, with BYPASSMULTIRECP it is clear that for SPAM protection, a Sorry to jump in on this thread, but what is BYPASSMULTIRECP and when was it introduced into Declude? I searched the JunkMail manual, release notes, and archive

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] X-Mailer Filters

2004-01-09 Thread Terry Fritts
Has anyone seen any of these used for legitimate mail? Most of those are just common mail clients or programs. mutt for instance is very common on *nix. Likewise becky! and theBat! and others for Windows. Just because an X-mailer header exists doesn't mean that's what sent the message. I can

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bug: Alias content counted as recipients

2004-01-09 Thread Andy Schmidt
It's a feature to counteract the downside of Whitelisting. Sometimes, we have to use white-listing (e.g., the postmaster domain so that false positive reports can reach us and we can fine-tune our bounce/delete policities). On the other hand, much spam is now directed against those accounts. By

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bug: Alias content counted as recipients

2004-01-09 Thread Bill Landry
Oops, disregard, I see that BYPASSMULTIRECP is just a user defined test name being used with bypasswhitelist option. Bill - Original Message - From: Bill Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bug: Alias

RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread Pete McNeil
Wow _M |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nick |Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 9:49 AM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx |support in next release of SPAMC32 | | |Bill, | |I might give it a

RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Gee, Pete. Are you commenting on the sheer number of tests or which test had the most hits? Andrew ;) -Original Message- From: Pete McNeil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx

Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: Pete McNeil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I was surprized at the difference between Sniffer (91%) and Spam Assassin (61%). I was particularly surprized because the Sniffer rulebase being used is the demo and it is restricted by 15 days. Yes, that is quite

Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread nick
Bill, Pete - Well, I was surprized at the difference between Sniffer (91%) and Spam Assassin (61%). I was particularly surprized because the Sniffer rulebase being used is the demo and it is restricted by 15 days. Yes, that is quite impressive. Up to now we have had sketchy info about how we

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] X-Mailer Filters

2004-01-09 Thread Sanford Whiteman
I would like to hear from anybody who has experience with filtering by the X-Mailer header. In going through my logs, the following look like they are consistently used for spam. I don't know if you dropped those all into lower-case or not (I'm guessing you did), but it is a common

Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wow I did not know that - I will research that info. Nick, check out http://www.emtinc.net/spamhammers.htm and grab the four rulesets there that Jennifer put together, they are all very good. I have another one of her small rulesets

Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread Sanford Whiteman
Well, I was surprized at the difference between Sniffer (91%) and Spam Assassin (61%). I was particularly surprized because the Sniffer rulebase being used is the demo and it is restricted by 15 days. We're seeing about 75% SpamAssassin vs. 95% Sniffer (full version) on our true

RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread Pete McNeil
|Bill, Pete - | snip |accuracy. eg: false positives. Sniffer is a very good tool |however it scores - at least with the demo rulebase on my |system - false positives. I score it with 3 points. SA on the |other hand has *very* few false positives so it gets an 8. No |question if I had the

Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread nick
Done! Wicked easy. I really love a lot of tests [as someone else noted] Will keep a watch on things and see what the differences are. Thank you very much! [ Matt - are you goint to 'mailpureize' these? :) ] -Nick Hayer From: Bill Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nick, check out

RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread nick
Pete - From: Pete McNeil [EMAIL PROTECTED] One thing you should definitely do with sniffer is to weight group 60 lower than the others. Group 60 is the gray hosting group which will cause many false positives if not countered with appropriate white rules. If you make this adjustment you should

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] X-Mailer Filters

2004-01-09 Thread Sean Fahey
Some of these are pretty common and like any tool, can be abused. SquirrelMail is one of my favorite open source apps. http://www.squirrelmail.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Burzin Sumariwalla Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:40 AM

RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Title: Message Nick:Here's an example from my global.cfg to test the very-generous demo setup of Sniffer:# It provides content inspection. See www.sortmonster.com#Note that the only value normally returned for our non-registered version is 0=clean and 63=badSNIFFER external nonzero

Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Pete McNeil [EMAIL PROTECTED] One thing you should definitely do with sniffer is to weight group 60 lower than the others. Group 60 is the gray hosting group which will cause many false positives if not countered with

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread Matt
Only when regular expressions are added to Declude :) Oh, and I'd also have to learn regular expressions :) Maybe something else is in the works :) No promises. Matt nick wrote: Done! Wicked easy. I really love a lot of tests [as someone else noted] Will keep a watch on things and see what

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread Matt
My take on the Gray test was that hits there would not generally reach a strict standard of spam, but to those that consider most if not all advertising in E-mail to be spam, then blocking based on that would be good. Lots of what I consider to be legitimate ads land in that category,

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread DLAnalyzer Support
Nick, You can score the various result codes of sniffer differently. SNIFFEREXP external 62 X:\Sniffer\your sniffer.exe 7 0 SNIFFEROBFUS external 61 X:\Sniffer\your sniffer.exe 10 0 SNIFFERGREY external 60 X:\Sniffer\your sniffer.exe 5 0

RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread Pete McNeil
|One thing you should definitely do with sniffer is to weight group 60 |lower than the others. Group 60 is the gray hosting group which will snip |I would if I knew how..; actually I do not know what Group 60 snip |-Nick Hayer Easy with Declude. (Scott, correct me if I get this wrong) You

[Declude.JunkMail] Spammer sending a community service alert

2004-01-09 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
How would you handle it if a know spammer domain sent out 250 community service Amber Alerts to users on you server? The WHITEFILTER3 lines found was Amber Alerts and AmberAlert in the HEADERS. X-RBL-Warning: MAILPOLICE-BULK: This E-mail came from bounceto.shysterbob.com, a potential spam source

[Declude.JunkMail] More ISP spam...

2004-01-09 Thread Matt
The following message was sent through the real Yahoo, and I'm seeing something coming from them almost every day now (and I only review a small part of it). I just upped my PSEUDO-WHITE counterbalance by 2 points to equal FIVETEN-SPAM (+3 and -3 now). I'm thinking the reason why I am

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More ISP spam...

2004-01-09 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Matt, I don't what my observation is worth but the only spam I've noticed in the past year from Yahoo! servers was always from the *.bizmail.yahoo.com servers (a related issue is/was a lack of confirmation for message group sign-ups). Previous to that, Yahoo! and HoTMaiL and AOL were common

RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ANN: Declude RegEx support in next release of SPAMC32

2004-01-09 Thread Pete McNeil
|Pete, correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that with the |free version you could only track two response codes, 55 |(malware) 63 (general)? Since about October last year we also isolated the gray hosting rule group (60) so that people could more readily evaluate sniffer with fewer false

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] More ISP spam...

2004-01-09 Thread Matt
Don't get me wrong about SpamCop. They are weighted in the tier 2 range on my server, and tier 1 is only SBL and my own list of IP's. I want to drop them another point because they tend to FP on bulk E-mail, and I do understand that it is hard to keep track of individual sources, but tagging

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] More ISP spam...

2004-01-09 Thread Matt
Massive snips with me are generally helpful :) I'm with you for the most part, but to take it a step further. Senderbase does a pretty good job of exposing ISP mail servers: http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchBy=ipaddresssearchString=68.168.78.199whichOthers=%2F24 It would be great to

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Spammer sending a community service alert

2004-01-09 Thread Burzin Sumariwalla
Hi John, HmmmInteresting question. I'm not inclined to handle it any differently than other email. If a spammer is sending out the Amber Alerts, how do you know it's legit? Even if I send out an Amber Alert how you know it's legit? Will the spammer in question adhere to honest

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Spammer sending a community service alert

2004-01-09 Thread Burzin Sumariwalla
For those that are interested here is a site that has links to various states' Amber Alert plans. http://www.sexcriminals.com/amber-alert/ Sorry, my search did not yield a page with world-wide links. Back to John's question, I suppose it's easiest for me as an organization to help the

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spammer sending a community service alert alert

2004-01-09 Thread Burzin Sumariwalla
Now that doesn't make any sense. Why would you sign up with a local provider and not your state or local law enforcement agency? It does seem like an effective, but extremely underhanded and immoral technique for harvesting addresses. More research to do... Burzin At 08:46 PM 1/9/2004, you