[Declude.JunkMail] DNSSTUFF.COM Web Site Down?

2005-01-28 Thread Kim Premuda
It's 4:30A PST, and I cannot access the 'dnsstuff.com' web site. Is anyone else 
having the same problem?


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DNSSTUFF.COM Web Site Down?

2005-01-28 Thread Pete McNeil
On Friday, January 28, 2005, 7:32:39 AM, Kim wrote:

KP It's 4:30A PST, and I cannot access the 'dnsstuff.com' web
KP site. Is anyone else having the same problem?

Works fine from here.

_M



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DNSSTUFF.COM Web Site Down?

2005-01-28 Thread R. Scott Perry

It's 4:30A PST, and I cannot access the 'dnsstuff.com' web site. Is anyone 
else having the same problem?
The site was being reset -- normally it's only down for a few seconds, but 
this morning it was down for about 10 minutes.

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DNSSTUFF.COM Web Site Down?

2005-01-28 Thread Kim Premuda
The site was being reset -- normally it's only down for a few seconds,
but this morning it was down for about 10 minutes.

-Scott

Thanks, Scott and Pete. I gave up after about 10 mintues of 'page cannot be 
found' messages. Go figure. It's working fine now.

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[Declude.JunkMail] BONDEDEDSENDER and SNIFFER

2005-01-28 Thread Kim Premuda
I seem to get a fair number of messages that 'fail' both BONDEDSENDER and 
SNIFFER:

X-Spam-Tests-Failed: BONDEDSENDER [-10], SNIFFER [20], WEIGHT10 [10], 
TLD-TRUSTED-HELO [0], TLD-TRUSTED-MAILFROM [0], TLD-TRUSTED-REVDNS [0] TOTAL 
[10]

Both tests are supposed to be highly trusted/accurate, so how do you resolve 
such diametrically opposed weightings? Who wins?


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BONDEDEDSENDER and SNIFFER

2005-01-28 Thread Matt
BondedSender has created a bit of a habit of protecting places that have 
spam problems or are even what many of us would consider to be 
spammers.  While Pete tends to think that I am too liberal in my 
definition of good E-mail, the folks at BondedSender (IronPort) believe 
that I am way too conservative.  I have reported things to them on 
multiple occasions and they have mostly kept the customers bonded, 
however they have made some tweaks.

For instance, they kept Virtumundo(dot)com on, but only if they agreed 
to only send HotMail accounts E-mail from their bonded address.

BigHip(dot)com, another clear spammer that befuddles me as to how they 
ever got bonded.  I believe they removed them.

SmartBlast(dot)net they refused to remove because I wouldn't ask my 
customer if they had subscribed to their list.  They were getting 
multiple E-mails every day with subjects like Nike Blowout - Everything 
60% Off from Exclusive Brand, Awareness Bracelets by Avaline and You 
can only get them here! New USB Pen and Wireless Mouse.  SmartBlast was 
sending through SubscriberMail(dot)com.

They have also bonded places like IceBase(dot)net which is one of the 
many bulk-mail providers that cater to small businesses, and often have 
issues with spam.  From this and other similar companies, the rate of 
spam is about 25% to 50%.  They can't police their users proactively, so 
I don't know why in the world you would want to bond them.

They have bonded Topica in the past.  If you know anything about Topica, 
they also operate their own spam house operation, and they provide 
bulk-mailing services to spammers.  They have even been blacklisted by SBL.

I have even found a goth-teen-pseudo-porn site listed, 
suicidegirls(dot)com.  While they don't spam, what was happening was 
they were offering incentives to their members to bring in more 
customers, and as a result one of their members had spammed from a 
different server, but blacklists will often target the payload network 
and not just the spammer, so I suppose they had issues with being 
blacklisted.

   
http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchBy=ipaddresssearchString=209.237.248.37

I could go on and on, but the bottom line with BondedSender is that the 
people that seek out protection are doing so primarily because they have 
problems.  Most places with problems being blacklisted suffer from the 
fact that spam (according to almost all definitions) comes from their 
networks.  I don't use BondedSender, and I have suggested in the past 
that Declude rethink their choice of including BondedSender in their 
default setup.

IronPort is a peculiar company building bulk-mail servers that are 
sometimes used by spam operations, but they also sell anti-spam 
appliances.  They own SpamCop, SenderBase, and of course BondedSender.  
I absolutely love SenderBase and greatly appreciate having that tool, 
and SpamCop is certainly a top 10 resource on my system, but I really 
take issue with BondedSender and if anything, things have gotten worse 
with time rather than better.

Matt


Kim Premuda wrote:
I seem to get a fair number of messages that 'fail' both BONDEDSENDER and 
SNIFFER:
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: BONDEDSENDER [-10], SNIFFER [20], WEIGHT10 [10], 
TLD-TRUSTED-HELO [0], TLD-TRUSTED-MAILFROM [0], TLD-TRUSTED-REVDNS [0] TOTAL 
[10]
Both tests are supposed to be highly trusted/accurate, so how do you resolve 
such diametrically opposed weightings? Who wins?
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BONDEDEDSENDER and SNIFFER

2005-01-28 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
You decide, Kim.

If you decide that Message Sniffer is wrong, and you are a licenced
user, then report it to SortMonster as per their false positive
reporting procedure.  Perhaps a particular bulk mailer is using a web
bug or some other small bit of text that is the same as a spammer's.

http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/FalsePositivesHelp.html

If you decide that Bonded Sender is allowing a spammer, report it to
them for their action.

http://www.bondedsender.com/reportabuse.jsp

A third possibility is that you are using the Bonded Sender test wrong.
If you're not sure about that, post your configuration here for others
to double-check with you.

Andrew 8)

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I seem to get a fair number of messages that 'fail' both BONDEDSENDER
and SNIFFER:

X-Spam-Tests-Failed: BONDEDSENDER [-10], SNIFFER [20], WEIGHT10 [10],
TLD-TRUSTED-HELO [0], TLD-TRUSTED-MAILFROM [0], TLD-TRUSTED-REVDNS [0]
TOTAL [10]

Both tests are supposed to be highly trusted/accurate, so how do you
resolve such diametrically opposed weightings? Who wins?


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FastWave Internet Services
San Diego, CA

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BONDEDEDSENDER and SNIFFER

2005-01-28 Thread Scott Fisher
They seem to have taken on a couple of bad entities lately here too. I've
noticed some scoring oddities.
For me beliefnet . com,  coolsavings . com, ediets . com and YOURNEWSLETTERS
. NET are the questionable or undesired entities that are listed on bonded
sender. Usually a quick add to a fromfile or an ipfile, skews the weighting
were I'd like them to be.

I'd also recommend adding a DYNA to the BONDEDSENDER test name, so it only
checks the last hop.

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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] BONDEDEDSENDER and SNIFFER


 I seem to get a fair number of messages that 'fail' both BONDEDSENDER and
SNIFFER:

 X-Spam-Tests-Failed: BONDEDSENDER [-10], SNIFFER [20], WEIGHT10 [10],
TLD-TRUSTED-HELO [0], TLD-TRUSTED-MAILFROM [0], TLD-TRUSTED-REVDNS [0] TOTAL
[10]

 Both tests are supposed to be highly trusted/accurate, so how do you
resolve such diametrically opposed weightings? Who wins?


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 FastWave Internet Services
 San Diego, CA

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