A question for Declude...
Has Declude been tested with Imail
8.20?
Scott,
No, Declude has not yet been tested with Imail 8.2,
although we expect to begin some testing very shortly. We have been in the
process of resolving some outstanding issues and preparing to do an interim
release. It would have been counter-productive to introduce a new IMail platform
I upgraded yesterday to Imail 8.2 and so far the phones
aren't ringing off the hooks. No reported problems from any of our
users. I've tailed the logs and they all seem normal. I am running
Declude Junkmail Pro/Virus Standard/Hijack 2.0.6.
Dan Horne
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I upgraded to v8.2 this morning and have
had no issues. Im running Declude Virus and Junkmail v2.0.6.
-Jeff
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Horne
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005
9:07 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: RE:
Wow ...
this is the FIRST time in very many years that I actually
am pleased what they added.
Does anyone know if the "SPF connection filtering" truly is
DURING the SMTP conversation? If so, will it by bypassed if SMTP AUTH is
used?That alone would receive my message load by about
5%.
I just upgraded.. NOT WORKING..
I am getting AUTH errors on sending to local users,
and 550 Errors..
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From:
Jeff Frantz
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:37
AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail
8.20
Hi,
There is a knowledge base entry about a new ODBC DLL.
If you keep your user base in SQL, make sure that you get the latest
DLL.
Best
RegardsAndy SchmidtPhone: +1 201 934-3414 x20
(Business)Fax: +1 201 934-9206
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These types of errors are not related to Declude.
Authentication is handled directly with IMail during the SMTP dialogue. This
issue has already surfaced in the IMail forum.
David Franco-Rocha
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From:
William Stillwell
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
A quick, information filled response.
Thanks!
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From:
David
Franco-Rocha [ Declude ]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:39
AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail
8.20
Scott,
No, Declude has not
Hey, If your using an External Database MAKE sure
you fix it.
http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/IM-20050427-DM03.htm
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From:
Jeff Frantz
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:37
AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail]
I wasn't reffering to declude not working, There is
an issue with the odbc with
an external database, I was just informing people
there is a "Slight" issue with it.
I have posted the resolution for those that are not
aware.
Other than that, declude appears to be working fine
here.
There is really no problem posting this to the
JunkMail list. But, since it is specifically an IMail problem, make sure it is
at least cross-posted to the IMail list also.
David Franco-Rocha
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From:
William Stillwell
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Title: Message
I
agree, Andy, those features caught my eye too. But so
did:
eAladdin now
used for licensing.
I
really want the multithreaded SMTPD, but I'll be waiting a good while before
trying this version. The block connections after x bad recipients may be
enough incentive for me
Just out of curiosity, what's the issue with eAladdin? Can it cause problems, or is it
just excessive in one way or another?
Thanks,
Matt
Colbeck, Andrew wrote:
Message
I agree, Andy, those features caught my eye
too. But so did:
eAladdin now used for licensing.
Title: Message
I'm
always interested in the details of protection mechanisms. Not because I'm
a pirate, but becausethose mechansimscan be anunnecessary
interference that can be very painful to work through. And there is no
information in Ipswitch's kb, forums, or general Googling for what
When I insalled 8.2 All it required was a License # no dongle or
anything. I beleive it did a phone hope type deal like declude.
There are several methods to software Licensing It is cheaper to
actually purchase a third party license system, then to develope your
own.
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Thanks for pointing that out, Nick.
It's the lack of Ipswitch documentation and discussion regarding the
implementation of Aladdin's technology that bugs me.
Aladdin themselves are a well-known and well-respected company.
Andrew 8)
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I guess one of the big questions that I would have would be what would
happen if I installed on a new server and then imported my registry
settings over to it. Where's the unlocked identifier stuff stored? I'm
sure there are many other things as well to be concerned about such as
what came
I was on the phone yesterday with WebTrends where they told me that
my copy of their software wasn't legitimate because I wasn't the
original owner and they don't transfer licenses...
FTR and way OT, just got finished with my second extended flame mail
to NetIQ (WebTrends' former
Sandy,
Only the arrogant fools at NetIQ could screw up something like Webtrends
which was once the best stats tool available.
And unless they have changed something recently (which would come as no
surprise) they used to transfer licenses no problem. We acquired a
company a couple of years
Fwiw, it's the management of WT that's buying it out/back.
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Ok -- time for the question again.
Thumbs up or down on the declude / smartermail integration?
Comments appreciated.
Rob
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Moved 3 installs from Imail to SM/DECLUDE.
Wish I would have done it sooner.
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From: Robert Grosshandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:22 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Ok -- time for the
doubts about the legality of some such provisions in boxed EULA's. I
was on the phone yesterday with WebTrends where they told me that my
copy of their software wasn't legitimate because I wasn't the original
owner and they don't transfer licenses...this is the same company that
moved from
Can anyone point me at a resource for determining why a message fails
CMDSPACE?
Thanks,
Katie
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If their is a space in one of the commands where there should not be per the
RFC's during the smtp transaction it will cause this test to be failed. One
thing to note Outlook fails this test every time so you should compensate
for this.
Darrell
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The price for SM from Declude was great. Even better yet is SmarterMail, the
product. It works. Their able to get things tuned up or added a lot quicker
like Declude.
I am seeing a pattern. I like it when a software company is lean and mean. I
would rather feed a lean cat than a fat cat. First
Overall we're happy with the combo. Hosting 81 domains/350 users and getting
ready to add another 100 or so accounts. We very much prefer SM to Imail.
Web interface alone is worth the switch, and we've been able to do some
nifty things incorporating automation and other .Net driven features into
My Imail license is relegated to SMTP traffic generated by a
ColdFusion server. SmarterMail took over the public-facing mail
chores shortly after Ipswitch killed Imail in favor of ICS.
Second the comment about the web interface. Its as if grownups
designed it versus hobbyists. Sounds harsh but
Does Smartermail have any features built in for gateway based systems - i.e.
load a list of accounts that are valid that you gateway for envelope
rejection?
Darrell
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So how about all the hot new features of IMail 8.2? How do those compare
with similar features in SmarterMail?
Also, we mostly use IMAP, rather than the web interface. How does the IMAP
feature in Smartermail compare to Imail?
For that matter, is there any change to the IMAP feature in Imail
Best to download a free copy of SmarterMail to evaluate for yourself.
But except for the advanced spam SmarterMail already had these new
features. Alternate port, On spartermail you can use a different alternate
port per domain. Automatic droping of connections in a dictionary attack
situation.
OT -- What are you moving your webtrends install to??
Do you use multiple servers?
Thanks,
Rob
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Why didn't you point your CF server at smartermail?
And, if I'm trying to reduce the new systems and learning curves, can I keep
Declude Virus and Junkmail going?
Thanks for the input.
Rob
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We're doing just that. Using SmartMail's web services we can generate a list of all accounts and aliases on the system. We then just script that list over toour Postfix on a set schedule.ShayneDoes Smartermail have any features built in for gateway based systems - i.e.load a list of accounts that
Yes, multiple servers (10+) for this site. We are still in the process of
evaluation of a few of the major vendors now (Omniture, Web Side Story,
etc).
Darrell
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Not the last time I asked for it. They acted like they could not fathom why
we would ever need it, and said they weren't even working on it.
So I'm still on Imail.
-Dave Doherty
Skywaves, Inc.
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hmm .. .I think I'm confused. You're saying Imail has a way to load user
accounts for gateway systems? All I've ever seen is the host file hack
for adding gateway domains, but I've never seen a way to load user
accounts. Am I missing something?
No it does not have this feature built in but
My comment refers to their SmartHost feature, which allegedly is a gateway
product.
But there is no way for the mailbox server to communicate to the SmartHost
what addresses are acceptable. Therefore, you need to script some stuff up
and use a different gateway. That makes the SmartHost
Dave,
That's unfortunate - that feature would be a no brainier for an immediate
migration to the product for me.
Darrell
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Dave Doherty wrote:
Not the last time I asked for it. They acted like they could not
fathom why we would ever need it, and said they weren't even working
on it.
So I'm still on Imail.
-Dave Doherty
Skywaves, Inc.
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Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Sidenote, I assume SmarterMail can act as a domain filtering gateway
with Declude, right? Pretty sure I saw some marketing spam saying it
could ..
Yes, that is absolutly correct - Declude will work on Smartermail.
So I was just playing with the SM web
You are right. IMail has no such feature, either. With Imail, I currently
take the user data right from the registry using the .NET registry classes,
reformat it, and send it on to my gateway. Of course, if you use an external
database with Imail you can run queries against that.
It just seems
Seems like it'd be trivial to write, hooking their svcUserAdmin.asmx and
svcDomainAliasAdmin.asmx (GetAliases and GetUsers). Yeah, it'd be nice
if they do it natively, but it looks like a 1 hour project to do it
manually. Guess I wouldn't be too worked up about that.
Jonathan
Dave Doherty
No declude does not pluginto SM's spam filtering. Delcude works pretymuch
just like it does on Imail.
Kevin Bilbee
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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:57 PM
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Hi Jonathan-
Thanks for pointing that out. I'm really surprised their tech support folks
didn't recommend it.
-d
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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:09 PM
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No prob - being a dev myself, I tend to try to find the most complex
ways to do things. ;)
Jonathan
Dave Doherty wrote:
Hi Jonathan-
Thanks for pointing that out. I'm really surprised their tech support
folks didn't recommend it.
-d
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Bummer... seems like they could make it work hand in hand, Declude and
SM seem to be all buddy buddy .. that'd make a pretty powerful tool.
Jonathan
Kevin Bilbee wrote:
No declude does not pluginto SM's spam filtering. Delcude works pretymuch
just like it does on Imail.
Kevin Bilbee
No it does not have this feature built in but Sandy wrote some nifty
scripts that make this task a bit easier.
. . . see my sig for details.
--Sandy
Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
Yup, I've seen that in your sig for years .. just never had a use for it. :)
Jonathan
Sanford Whiteman wrote:
No it does not have this feature built in but Sandy wrote some nifty
scripts that make this task a bit easier.
. . . see my sig for details.
--Sandy
Sorry, was out on Thursday.
Declude 2.0.6 has been working just fine
on Imail 8.20 RC02 for about 2 weeks with no problems.
John T
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On 4/28/05, Robert Grosshandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why didn't you point your CF server at smartermail?
It gave me an entirely separate mail engine. I have customers with
(legitimate) association mailing lists and in (small) part this lets
me split the load. SM could handle that load, but
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