Re: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-12-01 Thread paul
Andy,
You have all of these tests running? What's the impact on the server for
all of these? What's your mail load? I just love having to replace all these
tests every month or so, don't we all? LOL! But I want to lessen the impact
on our server as much as possible. What of these tests do you recommend the
most?

Paul



 Hi,

 Yesterday's results of my EasyNet replacement candidates:

 TEST # FAILED   Percentage

 AHBLDOMAINS710.95%
 AHBLPROXIES...7359.82%
 AHBLSOURCES...3514.69% (reliable, so far)

 NJABLDUL..2743.66% (many duplicates with SORBS-DUL)
 NJABLPROXIES1,085...14.49%
 NJABLRELAYS...1181.58%
 NJABLSOURCES..2653.54% (reliable, so far)

 SORBS-DUL...2,664...35.58%
 SORBS-HTTP7379.84% (proxies)
 SORBS-MISC.801.07% (proxies)
 SORBS-SOCKS...873...11.66% (proxies)
 SORBS-SMTP..50.07%
 SORBS-ZOMBIE...300.40%

 A) Do NOT use SORBS-SPAM.  As they point out on their web site, it has
been
 infested with the mail servers of most major providers by the simple fact
 that virus-infected customer systems have been sending arbitrary emails,
 implicating the mail sever of the provider.  I tested it for two days and
 kept lowering the weight until I realized that it was not at all helpful
in
 trying to distinguish spam from legitimate mail.

 B) I have been holding and/or deleting ANYTHING proxy for many weeks now
 and so far never had any customer complaints about lost emails.

 Best Regards
 Andy Schmidt

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-12-01 Thread Alejandro Valenzuela
Paul 

What program do you use to get those statistics listed ??

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Andy,
You have all of these tests running? What's the impact on the server for
all of these? What's your mail load? I just love having to replace all these
tests every month or so, don't we all? LOL! But I want to lessen the impact
on our server as much as possible. What of these tests do you recommend the
most?

Paul



 Hi,

 Yesterday's results of my EasyNet replacement candidates:

 TEST # FAILED   Percentage

 AHBLDOMAINS710.95%
 AHBLPROXIES...7359.82%
 AHBLSOURCES...3514.69% (reliable, so far)

 NJABLDUL..2743.66% (many duplicates with SORBS-DUL)
 NJABLPROXIES1,085...14.49%
 NJABLRELAYS...1181.58%
 NJABLSOURCES..2653.54% (reliable, so far)

 SORBS-DUL...2,664...35.58%
 SORBS-HTTP7379.84% (proxies)
 SORBS-MISC.801.07% (proxies)
 SORBS-SOCKS...873...11.66% (proxies)
 SORBS-SMTP..50.07%
 SORBS-ZOMBIE...300.40%

 A) Do NOT use SORBS-SPAM.  As they point out on their web site, it has
been
 infested with the mail servers of most major providers by the simple fact
 that virus-infected customer systems have been sending arbitrary emails,
 implicating the mail sever of the provider.  I tested it for two days and
 kept lowering the weight until I realized that it was not at all helpful
in
 trying to distinguish spam from legitimate mail.

 B) I have been holding and/or deleting ANYTHING proxy for many weeks now
 and so far never had any customer complaints about lost emails.

 Best Regards
 Andy Schmidt

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-12-01 Thread Andy Schmidt

Hi Paul:

It's hard to measure the actual impact, as this machine serves a few
functions.  However, my unscientific observation has been, that two other
applications on that machine are gobbling up most of its CPU use.  

Declude's use is noticeable - but minor - and seems to be mostly for Declude
Virus launching the virus scanner.  Also, keep in mind that in later Declude
versions Scott had optimized the DNS queries that are directed against the
SAME dnsbl server.

My logic is - if it helps holding or deleting 10 or more percent of messages
then I would just have to provide whatever hardware resources are necessary
to run the additional test to save money at every desktop.

If you are trying to ecnomize I would drop AHBL and then NJABL and only keep
SORBS.  However, I found that the  AHBLSOURCES and NJABLSOURCES are pretty
reliable, so I give them a high weight - where the SORBS-SOURCES test was
eliminated because it's mostly false positives.

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

HM Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206

http://www.HM-Software.com/


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Andy,
You have all of these tests running? What's the impact on the server for
all of these? What's your mail load? I just love having to replace all these
tests every month or so, don't we all? LOL! But I want to lessen the impact
on our server as much as possible. What of these tests do you recommend the
most?

Paul



 Hi,

 Yesterday's results of my EasyNet replacement candidates:

 TEST # FAILED   Percentage

 AHBLDOMAINS710.95%
 AHBLPROXIES...7359.82%
 AHBLSOURCES...3514.69% (reliable, so far)

 NJABLDUL..2743.66% (many duplicates with 
 SORBS-DUL) NJABLPROXIES1,085...14.49%
 NJABLRELAYS...1181.58%
 NJABLSOURCES..2653.54% (reliable, so far)

 SORBS-DUL...2,664...35.58%
 SORBS-HTTP7379.84% (proxies) 
 SORBS-MISC.801.07% (proxies) 
 SORBS-SOCKS...873...11.66% (proxies) 
 SORBS-SMTP..50.07%
 SORBS-ZOMBIE...300.40%

 A) Do NOT use SORBS-SPAM.  As they point out on their web site, it has
been
 infested with the mail servers of most major providers by the simple 
 fact that virus-infected customer systems have been sending arbitrary 
 emails, implicating the mail sever of the provider.  I tested it for 
 two days and kept lowering the weight until I realized that it was not 
 at all helpful
in
 trying to distinguish spam from legitimate mail.

 B) I have been holding and/or deleting ANYTHING proxy for many weeks 
 now and so far never had any customer complaints about lost emails.

 Best Regards
 Andy Schmidt

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-12-01 Thread Mark Smith
FWIW, I run many more tests than this -- about 30 total plus the internal
Declude tests, External Sniffer, and Declude Virus.
Message load is about 150,000 messages per day on a dual 2.8 Ghz.
No performance hits noticed.


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of paul
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 11:52 AM
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 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

 Andy,
 You have all of these tests running? What's the impact on
 the server for all of these? What's your mail load? I just
 love having to replace all these tests every month or so,
 don't we all? LOL! But I want to lessen the impact on our
 server as much as possible. What of these tests do you
 recommend the most?

 Paul


 
  Hi,
 
  Yesterday's results of my EasyNet replacement candidates:
 
  TEST # FAILED   Percentage
 
  AHBLDOMAINS710.95%
  AHBLPROXIES...7359.82%
  AHBLSOURCES...3514.69% (reliable, so far)
 
  NJABLDUL..2743.66% (many duplicates with
  SORBS-DUL) NJABLPROXIES1,085...14.49%
  NJABLRELAYS...1181.58%
  NJABLSOURCES..2653.54% (reliable, so far)
 
  SORBS-DUL...2,664...35.58%
  SORBS-HTTP7379.84% (proxies)
  SORBS-MISC.801.07% (proxies)
  SORBS-SOCKS...873...11.66% (proxies)
  SORBS-SMTP..50.07%
  SORBS-ZOMBIE...300.40%
 
  A) Do NOT use SORBS-SPAM.  As they point out on their web
 site, it has
 been
  infested with the mail servers of most major providers by
 the simple
  fact that virus-infected customer systems have been sending
 arbitrary
  emails, implicating the mail sever of the provider.  I
 tested it for
  two days and kept lowering the weight until I realized that
 it was not
  at all helpful
 in
  trying to distinguish spam from legitimate mail.
 
  B) I have been holding and/or deleting ANYTHING proxy for
 many weeks
  now and so far never had any customer complaints about
 lost emails.
 
  Best Regards
  Andy Schmidt

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-11-28 Thread R. Scott Perry

if we comment out a test in global.cfg and leave its action in
default.junkmail
will there be any problems ? errors, performance issues, ...
No, there will be no problems in doing that, as far as Declude is 
concerned.  However, it may cause confusion later, if you see the test 
listed and are wondering why no action is being taken.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-11-28 Thread Andy Schmidt

Hi,

Yesterday's results of my EasyNet replacement candidates:

TEST # FAILED   Percentage

AHBLDOMAINS710.95%
AHBLPROXIES...7359.82%
AHBLSOURCES...3514.69% (reliable, so far)

NJABLDUL..2743.66% (many duplicates with SORBS-DUL)
NJABLPROXIES1,085...14.49%
NJABLRELAYS...1181.58%
NJABLSOURCES..2653.54% (reliable, so far)

SORBS-DUL...2,664...35.58%
SORBS-HTTP7379.84% (proxies)
SORBS-MISC.801.07% (proxies)
SORBS-SOCKS...873...11.66% (proxies)
SORBS-SMTP..50.07%
SORBS-ZOMBIE...300.40%

A) Do NOT use SORBS-SPAM.  As they point out on their web site, it has been
infested with the mail servers of most major providers by the simple fact
that virus-infected customer systems have been sending arbitrary emails,
implicating the mail sever of the provider.  I tested it for two days and
kept lowering the weight until I realized that it was not at all helpful in
trying to distinguish spam from legitimate mail.

B) I have been holding and/or deleting ANYTHING proxy for many weeks now
and so far never had any customer complaints about lost emails.

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

HM Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206

http://www.HM-Software.com/

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-11-28 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
 AHBLDOMAINS710.95%
 AHBLPROXIES...7359.82%
 AHBLSOURCES...3514.69% (reliable, so far)
 
 NJABLDUL..2743.66% (many duplicates with SORBS-DUL)
 NJABLPROXIES1,085...14.49%
 NJABLRELAYS...1181.58%
 NJABLSOURCES..2653.54% (reliable, so far)

For clarification, can you please post what you exact configuration is for
those, in other words what return codes? Example, what exactly is
AHBLDOMAINS as there is no test in the sample Global.cfg file and on the
AHBL site, there is no code name that. http://www.ahbl.org/responsecodes.php

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-11-28 Thread Andy Schmidt

NJABLRELAYS ip4rdnsbl.njabl.org 127.0.0.2   4
0
NJABLDULip4rdnsbl.njabl.org 127.0.0.3   4
0
NJABLSOURCES ip4r   dnsbl.njabl.org 127.0.0.4   7
0
NJABLMULTI  ip4rdnsbl.njabl.org 127.0.0.5   5
0
NJABLFORMMAIL ip4r dnsbl.njabl.org  127.0.0.8   8
0
NJABLPROXIES ip4r   dnsbl.njabl.org 127.0.0.9   8
0

AHBLRELAYS  ip4rdnsbl.ahbl.org  127.0.0.2   5
0
AHBLPROXIES ip4rdnsbl.ahbl.org  127.0.0.3   8
0
AHBLSOURCES ip4rdnsbl.ahbl.org  127.0.0.4   7
0
AHBLPSSLip4rdnsbl.ahbl.org  127.0.0.5   5
0
AHBLFORMMAIL ip4r   dnsbl.ahbl.org  127.0.0.6   8
0
AHBLENDUSER ip4rdnsbl.ahbl.org  127.0.0.9   5
0
AHBLEXEMPT  ip4rexemptions.ahbl.org *   -8
0

SORBS-HTTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.2   8
0
SORBS-SOCKS ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.3   8
0
SORBS-MISC  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.4   8
0
SORBS-SMTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.5   5
0
#SORBS-SPAM ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.6   3
0
SORBS-WEB   ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.7   8
0
SORBS-BLOCK ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.8   6
0
SORBS-ZOMBIE ip4r   dnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.9   6
0
SORBS-DUL   ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.10  5
0

AHBLDOMAINS rhsbl   rhsbl.ahbl.org  *   5   0
SORBS-BADCONF   rhsbl   rhsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.11  5
0
SORBS-NOMAILrhsbl   rhsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.12  7
0


Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

HM Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206

http://www.HM-Software.com/


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 AHBLDOMAINS710.95%
 AHBLPROXIES...7359.82%
 AHBLSOURCES...3514.69% (reliable, so far)
 
 NJABLDUL..2743.66% (many duplicates with 
 SORBS-DUL) NJABLPROXIES1,085...14.49%
 NJABLRELAYS...1181.58%
 NJABLSOURCES..2653.54% (reliable, so far)

For clarification, can you please post what you exact configuration is for
those, in other words what return codes? Example, what exactly is
AHBLDOMAINS as there is no test in the sample Global.cfg file and on the
AHBL site, there is no code name that. http://www.ahbl.org/responsecodes.php

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-11-28 Thread John Shacklett
I think this might be on http://www.ahbl.org/using.php in the rhsbl section.
I have been trying

AHBL-DOMAINSrhsbl   rhsbl.ahbl.org  *   5   0

for a couple of days, but I don't have any stats to share today.

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 AHBLDOMAINS710.95%
 AHBLPROXIES...7359.82%
 AHBLSOURCES...3514.69% (reliable, so far)

 NJABLDUL..2743.66% (many duplicates with SORBS-DUL)
 NJABLPROXIES1,085...14.49%
 NJABLRELAYS...1181.58%
 NJABLSOURCES..2653.54% (reliable, so far)

For clarification, can you please post what you exact configuration is for
those, in other words what return codes? Example, what exactly is
AHBLDOMAINS as there is no test in the sample Global.cfg file and on the
AHBL site, there is no code name that. http://www.ahbl.org/responsecodes.php

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-11-28 Thread Sheldon Koehler
Andy,

What weight to you hold and delete on?

Sheldon


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NJABLRELAYS ip4r dnsbl.njabl.org 127.0.0.2 4
0
NJABLDUL ip4r dnsbl.njabl.org 127.0.0.3 4
0
NJABLSOURCES ip4r dnsbl.njabl.org 127.0.0.4 7
0
NJABLMULTI ip4r dnsbl.njabl.org 127.0.0.5 5
0
NJABLFORMMAIL ip4r dnsbl.njabl.org 127.0.0.8 8
0
NJABLPROXIES ip4r dnsbl.njabl.org 127.0.0.9 8
0

AHBLRELAYS ip4r dnsbl.ahbl.org 127.0.0.2 5
0
AHBLPROXIES ip4r dnsbl.ahbl.org 127.0.0.3 8
0
AHBLSOURCES ip4r dnsbl.ahbl.org 127.0.0.4 7
0
AHBLPSSL ip4r dnsbl.ahbl.org 127.0.0.5 5
0
AHBLFORMMAIL ip4r dnsbl.ahbl.org 127.0.0.6 8
0
AHBLENDUSER ip4r dnsbl.ahbl.org 127.0.0.9 5
0
AHBLEXEMPT ip4r exemptions.ahbl.org * -8
0

SORBS-HTTP ip4r dnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.2 8
0
SORBS-SOCKS ip4r dnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.3 8
0
SORBS-MISC ip4r dnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.4 8
0
SORBS-SMTP ip4r dnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.5 5
0
#SORBS-SPAM ip4r dnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.6 3
0
SORBS-WEB ip4r dnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.7 8
0
SORBS-BLOCK ip4r dnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.8 6
0
SORBS-ZOMBIE ip4r dnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.9 6
0
SORBS-DUL ip4r dnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.10 5
0

AHBLDOMAINS rhsbl rhsbl.ahbl.org * 5 0
SORBS-BADCONF rhsbl rhsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.11 5
0
SORBS-NOMAIL rhsbl rhsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.12 7
0

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-11-28 Thread Andy Schmidt

Hi,

I report subject at 8.

I bounce at 10.

I delete at 20.
I also delete MAILFROM, PERCENT and all -proxies

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

HM Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206

http://www.HM-Software.com/


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Andy,

What weight to you hold and delete on?

Sheldon


Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com
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- Original Message - 
From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 8:43 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1



NJABLRELAYS ip4r dnsbl.njabl.org 127.0.0.2 4
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NJABLFORMMAIL ip4r dnsbl.njabl.org 127.0.0.8 8
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NJABLPROXIES ip4r dnsbl.njabl.org 127.0.0.9 8
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AHBLRELAYS ip4r dnsbl.ahbl.org 127.0.0.2 5
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AHBLPROXIES ip4r dnsbl.ahbl.org 127.0.0.3 8
0
AHBLSOURCES ip4r dnsbl.ahbl.org 127.0.0.4 7
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AHBLPSSL ip4r dnsbl.ahbl.org 127.0.0.5 5
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AHBLFORMMAIL ip4r dnsbl.ahbl.org 127.0.0.6 8
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AHBLENDUSER ip4r dnsbl.ahbl.org 127.0.0.9 5
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SORBS-HTTP ip4r dnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.2 8
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SORBS-SOCKS ip4r dnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.3 8
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#SORBS-SPAM ip4r dnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.6 3
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SORBS-WEB ip4r dnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.7 8
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-11-27 Thread serge
Scott
if we comment out a test in global.cfg and leave its action in
default.junkmail
will there be any problems ? errors, performance issues, ...


- Original Message - 
From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:52 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1


 FYI.  Here's a copy of their E-mail.
-Scott

 ---
 The easynet blacklists/spamfilters (blackholes.easynet.nl,
 proxies.blackholes.easynet.nl, dynablock.easynet.nl,
 spamdomains.blackholes.easynet.nl, and the easynet spamlists) will
 be discontinued starting Dec 1 2003.

 The zonefiles and associated files will be 'zero-sized' on that day.
 The domains will continue to resolve for a long time, but they will
 contain nothing more than the test records (127.0.0.2 and
 example.com), so they will not catch anything.

 Holy Crap!
 - Yep.

 FAQ?
 - Sure.

 Are you being DDos'ed out of existence?
 - Nope. They probably tried. We didn't even notice it.

 Are you being sued?
 - Nope. They probably tried. We didn't even notice it.

 Are you being threatened?
 - Frankly, we will miss that part.

 Are you tired?
 - Damn right.

 Are you giving up?
 - That is not the right word. There are plenty of fine blacklists,
 and new ones spring up every day. The wirehub/easynet lists served
 their purpose, but others may serve that purpose equally well.

 Isn't this all kinda sudden?
 - Yes. Sometimes, you just know that it's time to say goodbye. And
 the moment you know it, you must do it. Running blacklists on
 anything less than 100% motivation and energy is not how it should
 be done.

 Anything else?
 - Sure. These blacklists were maintained by a single person, all of
 them. Every day. Listings, delistings, finding new DSL/cable ranges,
 finding new open proxies, writing better scripts, handling all
 email, running statistics, publishing overviews, providing rsync
 areas, DNS tranfers. You name it. TINW. There's an I. And I want my
 life back, at least a little ;)

 Life?
 - Yes. Maybe not as we know it. Over the past 3-4 years, the
 maintainer of these lists has worked 7 days a week, 10-12 hours a
 day running these lists and handling all tasks and email associated
 with them. Not a single day has passed without at least processing
 delisting requests (the bare minimum).  And then there was the day
 job (which was really nothing more than running an ISP's server farm
 - peanuts, it's FreeBSD).

 Is that all?
 - There's more to it, but the details do not really concern you.
 Let's just say that the integrity of these lists might have been in
 jeopardy in the long run. There are two cardinal sins when it comes
 to blacklists: 1.  putting/keeping someone on them who should not be
 - 2. not putting someone on them who really should be. Avoiding '1'
 is a matter of discipline and a thick skin.  Avoiding '2' is a
 matter of being totally independent from all pressures surrounding
 you. Avoiding '2' has become increasingly difficult, and we'd rather
 stop with our integrity fully intact and our reputation unharmed.
 That is about now. Well, next week.

 We?
 - Yes, dropping that habit will take some time ;)

 Will you be back?
 - Probably. Lurking.

 Will you miss us?
 - Depends on how well target practice goes.

 Should we give up The Good Fight?
 - Hell no, we're winning. There's plenty of enthusiasm, and there
 are plenty of new and old blacklists doing fine work. Take your
 pick. Keep fighting. Fight for your spam laws. Educate. Annoy. Sue
 if you must. It's up to you now.

 Is there anything we can do?
 - Yes. Spread the word, please. Post to your local/national abuse
 groups, inform anyone you know who uses these lists, update your
 configurations.  Nothing will break after Dec 1, but there will come
 a day when these names (including the old Wirehub ones, which still
 resolve) will cease to resolve. This will probably be announced.

 Will the lists be back under a different name?
 - Probably not. It started out as 'doing some extra work to stop
 spam', because .. well .. FreeBSD and such, plenty of time left. And
 why not donate that work to the Internet community as well. In the
 long run. it turned out to be 'getting some sleep and maybe
 something to eat between emails and zone updates'. Sometimes, enough
 is just enough.

 Can't you just maintain one or two of the lists?
 - What did I just say?

 I have a question!
 - The email address will probably work throughout December. It may
 drop dead after that. Hope I won't.

 Goodbye all. It was invigorating, it was fun, it was necessary.
 Don't give up.

 Ben.

 -- 
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 - aup: http://www.nl.easynet.net/pub/av/aup/nl (dutch) --
 - aup: http://www.nl.easynet.net/pub/av/aup/en (english) 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-11-27 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)

Since the tests will be dead, remove them is best.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of serge
 Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 6:43 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1
 
 Scott
 if we comment out a test in global.cfg and leave its action in
 default.junkmail
 will there be any problems ? errors, performance issues, ...
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:52 PM
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1
 
 
  FYI.  Here's a copy of their E-mail.
 -Scott
 
  ---
  The easynet blacklists/spamfilters (blackholes.easynet.nl,
  proxies.blackholes.easynet.nl, dynablock.easynet.nl,
  spamdomains.blackholes.easynet.nl, and the easynet spamlists) will
  be discontinued starting Dec 1 2003.
 
  The zonefiles and associated files will be 'zero-sized' on that day.
  The domains will continue to resolve for a long time, but they will
  contain nothing more than the test records (127.0.0.2 and
  example.com), so they will not catch anything.
 
  Holy Crap!
  - Yep.
 
  FAQ?
  - Sure.
 
  Are you being DDos'ed out of existence?
  - Nope. They probably tried. We didn't even notice it.
 
  Are you being sued?
  - Nope. They probably tried. We didn't even notice it.
 
  Are you being threatened?
  - Frankly, we will miss that part.
 
  Are you tired?
  - Damn right.
 
  Are you giving up?
  - That is not the right word. There are plenty of fine blacklists,
  and new ones spring up every day. The wirehub/easynet lists served
  their purpose, but others may serve that purpose equally well.
 
  Isn't this all kinda sudden?
  - Yes. Sometimes, you just know that it's time to say goodbye. And
  the moment you know it, you must do it. Running blacklists on
  anything less than 100% motivation and energy is not how it should
  be done.
 
  Anything else?
  - Sure. These blacklists were maintained by a single person, all of
  them. Every day. Listings, delistings, finding new DSL/cable ranges,
  finding new open proxies, writing better scripts, handling all
  email, running statistics, publishing overviews, providing rsync
  areas, DNS tranfers. You name it. TINW. There's an I. And I want my
  life back, at least a little ;)
 
  Life?
  - Yes. Maybe not as we know it. Over the past 3-4 years, the
  maintainer of these lists has worked 7 days a week, 10-12 hours a
  day running these lists and handling all tasks and email associated
  with them. Not a single day has passed without at least processing
  delisting requests (the bare minimum).  And then there was the day
  job (which was really nothing more than running an ISP's server farm
  - peanuts, it's FreeBSD).
 
  Is that all?
  - There's more to it, but the details do not really concern you.
  Let's just say that the integrity of these lists might have been in
  jeopardy in the long run. There are two cardinal sins when it comes
  to blacklists: 1.  putting/keeping someone on them who should not be
  - 2. not putting someone on them who really should be. Avoiding '1'
  is a matter of discipline and a thick skin.  Avoiding '2' is a
  matter of being totally independent from all pressures surrounding
  you. Avoiding '2' has become increasingly difficult, and we'd rather
  stop with our integrity fully intact and our reputation unharmed.
  That is about now. Well, next week.
 
  We?
  - Yes, dropping that habit will take some time ;)
 
  Will you be back?
  - Probably. Lurking.
 
  Will you miss us?
  - Depends on how well target practice goes.
 
  Should we give up The Good Fight?
  - Hell no, we're winning. There's plenty of enthusiasm, and there
  are plenty of new and old blacklists doing fine work. Take your
  pick. Keep fighting. Fight for your spam laws. Educate. Annoy. Sue
  if you must. It's up to you now.
 
  Is there anything we can do?
  - Yes. Spread the word, please. Post to your local/national abuse
  groups, inform anyone you know who uses these lists, update your
  configurations.  Nothing will break after Dec 1, but there will come
  a day when these names (including the old Wirehub ones, which still
  resolve) will cease to resolve. This will probably be announced.
 
  Will the lists be back under a different name?
  - Probably not. It started out as 'doing some extra work to stop
  spam', because .. well .. FreeBSD and such, plenty of time left. And
  why not donate that work to the Internet community as well. In the
  long run. it turned out to be 'getting some sleep and maybe
  something to eat between emails and zone updates'. Sometimes, enough
  is just enough.
 
  Can't you just maintain one or two of the lists?
  - What did I just say?
 
  I have a question!
  - The email address will probably work

[Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-11-21 Thread R. Scott Perry
FYI.  Here's a copy of their E-mail.
  -Scott
---
The easynet blacklists/spamfilters (blackholes.easynet.nl,
proxies.blackholes.easynet.nl, dynablock.easynet.nl,
spamdomains.blackholes.easynet.nl, and the easynet spamlists) will
be discontinued starting Dec 1 2003.
The zonefiles and associated files will be 'zero-sized' on that day.
The domains will continue to resolve for a long time, but they will
contain nothing more than the test records (127.0.0.2 and
example.com), so they will not catch anything.
Holy Crap!
- Yep.
FAQ?
- Sure.
Are you being DDos'ed out of existence?
- Nope. They probably tried. We didn't even notice it.
Are you being sued?
- Nope. They probably tried. We didn't even notice it.
Are you being threatened?
- Frankly, we will miss that part.
Are you tired?
- Damn right.
Are you giving up?
- That is not the right word. There are plenty of fine blacklists,
and new ones spring up every day. The wirehub/easynet lists served
their purpose, but others may serve that purpose equally well.
Isn't this all kinda sudden?
- Yes. Sometimes, you just know that it's time to say goodbye. And
the moment you know it, you must do it. Running blacklists on
anything less than 100% motivation and energy is not how it should
be done.
Anything else?
- Sure. These blacklists were maintained by a single person, all of
them. Every day. Listings, delistings, finding new DSL/cable ranges,
finding new open proxies, writing better scripts, handling all
email, running statistics, publishing overviews, providing rsync
areas, DNS tranfers. You name it. TINW. There's an I. And I want my
life back, at least a little ;)
Life?
- Yes. Maybe not as we know it. Over the past 3-4 years, the
maintainer of these lists has worked 7 days a week, 10-12 hours a
day running these lists and handling all tasks and email associated
with them. Not a single day has passed without at least processing
delisting requests (the bare minimum).  And then there was the day
job (which was really nothing more than running an ISP's server farm
- peanuts, it's FreeBSD).
Is that all?
- There's more to it, but the details do not really concern you.
Let's just say that the integrity of these lists might have been in
jeopardy in the long run. There are two cardinal sins when it comes
to blacklists: 1.  putting/keeping someone on them who should not be
- 2. not putting someone on them who really should be. Avoiding '1'
is a matter of discipline and a thick skin.  Avoiding '2' is a
matter of being totally independent from all pressures surrounding
you. Avoiding '2' has become increasingly difficult, and we'd rather
stop with our integrity fully intact and our reputation unharmed.
That is about now. Well, next week.
We?
- Yes, dropping that habit will take some time ;)
Will you be back?
- Probably. Lurking.
Will you miss us?
- Depends on how well target practice goes.
Should we give up The Good Fight?
- Hell no, we're winning. There's plenty of enthusiasm, and there
are plenty of new and old blacklists doing fine work. Take your
pick. Keep fighting. Fight for your spam laws. Educate. Annoy. Sue
if you must. It's up to you now.
Is there anything we can do?
- Yes. Spread the word, please. Post to your local/national abuse
groups, inform anyone you know who uses these lists, update your
configurations.  Nothing will break after Dec 1, but there will come
a day when these names (including the old Wirehub ones, which still
resolve) will cease to resolve. This will probably be announced.
Will the lists be back under a different name?
- Probably not. It started out as 'doing some extra work to stop
spam', because .. well .. FreeBSD and such, plenty of time left. And
why not donate that work to the Internet community as well. In the
long run. it turned out to be 'getting some sleep and maybe
something to eat between emails and zone updates'. Sometimes, enough
is just enough.
Can't you just maintain one or two of the lists?
- What did I just say?
I have a question!
- The email address will probably work throughout December. It may
drop dead after that. Hope I won't.
Goodbye all. It was invigorating, it was fun, it was necessary.
Don't give up.
Ben.

--
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- blacklists/dnsbls: http://abuse.easynet.nl/spamstats.html -
- aup: http://www.nl.easynet.net/pub/av/aup/nl (dutch) --
- aup: http://www.nl.easynet.net/pub/av/aup/en (english) 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-11-21 Thread Kevin Bilbee
Well that sucks, I bet if he asked for help


Kevin Bilbee

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 5:52 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1


 FYI.  Here's a copy of their E-mail.
-Scott

 ---
 The easynet blacklists/spamfilters (blackholes.easynet.nl,
 proxies.blackholes.easynet.nl, dynablock.easynet.nl,
 spamdomains.blackholes.easynet.nl, and the easynet spamlists) will
 be discontinued starting Dec 1 2003.

 The zonefiles and associated files will be 'zero-sized' on that day.
 The domains will continue to resolve for a long time, but they will
 contain nothing more than the test records (127.0.0.2 and
 example.com), so they will not catch anything.

 Holy Crap!
 - Yep.

 FAQ?
 - Sure.

 Are you being DDos'ed out of existence?
 - Nope. They probably tried. We didn't even notice it.

 Are you being sued?
 - Nope. They probably tried. We didn't even notice it.

 Are you being threatened?
 - Frankly, we will miss that part.

 Are you tired?
 - Damn right.

 Are you giving up?
 - That is not the right word. There are plenty of fine blacklists,
 and new ones spring up every day. The wirehub/easynet lists served
 their purpose, but others may serve that purpose equally well.

 Isn't this all kinda sudden?
 - Yes. Sometimes, you just know that it's time to say goodbye. And
 the moment you know it, you must do it. Running blacklists on
 anything less than 100% motivation and energy is not how it should
 be done.

 Anything else?
 - Sure. These blacklists were maintained by a single person, all of
 them. Every day. Listings, delistings, finding new DSL/cable ranges,
 finding new open proxies, writing better scripts, handling all
 email, running statistics, publishing overviews, providing rsync
 areas, DNS tranfers. You name it. TINW. There's an I. And I want my
 life back, at least a little ;)

 Life?
 - Yes. Maybe not as we know it. Over the past 3-4 years, the
 maintainer of these lists has worked 7 days a week, 10-12 hours a
 day running these lists and handling all tasks and email associated
 with them. Not a single day has passed without at least processing
 delisting requests (the bare minimum).  And then there was the day
 job (which was really nothing more than running an ISP's server farm
 - peanuts, it's FreeBSD).

 Is that all?
 - There's more to it, but the details do not really concern you.
 Let's just say that the integrity of these lists might have been in
 jeopardy in the long run. There are two cardinal sins when it comes
 to blacklists: 1.  putting/keeping someone on them who should not be
 - 2. not putting someone on them who really should be. Avoiding '1'
 is a matter of discipline and a thick skin.  Avoiding '2' is a
 matter of being totally independent from all pressures surrounding
 you. Avoiding '2' has become increasingly difficult, and we'd rather
 stop with our integrity fully intact and our reputation unharmed.
 That is about now. Well, next week.

 We?
 - Yes, dropping that habit will take some time ;)

 Will you be back?
 - Probably. Lurking.

 Will you miss us?
 - Depends on how well target practice goes.

 Should we give up The Good Fight?
 - Hell no, we're winning. There's plenty of enthusiasm, and there
 are plenty of new and old blacklists doing fine work. Take your
 pick. Keep fighting. Fight for your spam laws. Educate. Annoy. Sue
 if you must. It's up to you now.

 Is there anything we can do?
 - Yes. Spread the word, please. Post to your local/national abuse
 groups, inform anyone you know who uses these lists, update your
 configurations.  Nothing will break after Dec 1, but there will come
 a day when these names (including the old Wirehub ones, which still
 resolve) will cease to resolve. This will probably be announced.

 Will the lists be back under a different name?
 - Probably not. It started out as 'doing some extra work to stop
 spam', because .. well .. FreeBSD and such, plenty of time left. And
 why not donate that work to the Internet community as well. In the
 long run. it turned out to be 'getting some sleep and maybe
 something to eat between emails and zone updates'. Sometimes, enough
 is just enough.

 Can't you just maintain one or two of the lists?
 - What did I just say?

 I have a question!
 - The email address will probably work throughout December. It may
 drop dead after that. Hope I won't.

 Goodbye all. It was invigorating, it was fun, it was necessary.
 Don't give up.

 Ben.

 --
 easynet.nl abuse handling dept. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 - blacklists/dnsbls: http://abuse.easynet.nl/spamstats.html -
 - aup: http://www.nl.easynet.net/pub/av/aup/nl (dutch) --
 - aup: http://www.nl.easynet.net/pub/av/aup/en (english) 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-11-21 Thread Danny Klopfer
Bummer.  So we need to take those out of our global.cfg.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 5:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1


FYI.  Here's a copy of their E-mail.
   -Scott

---
The easynet blacklists/spamfilters (blackholes.easynet.nl,
proxies.blackholes.easynet.nl, dynablock.easynet.nl,
spamdomains.blackholes.easynet.nl, and the easynet spamlists) will
be discontinued starting Dec 1 2003.

The zonefiles and associated files will be 'zero-sized' on that day.
The domains will continue to resolve for a long time, but they will
contain nothing more than the test records (127.0.0.2 and
example.com), so they will not catch anything.

Holy Crap!
- Yep.

FAQ?
- Sure.

Are you being DDos'ed out of existence?
- Nope. They probably tried. We didn't even notice it.

Are you being sued?
- Nope. They probably tried. We didn't even notice it.

Are you being threatened?
- Frankly, we will miss that part.

Are you tired?
- Damn right.

Are you giving up?
- That is not the right word. There are plenty of fine blacklists,
and new ones spring up every day. The wirehub/easynet lists served
their purpose, but others may serve that purpose equally well.

Isn't this all kinda sudden?
- Yes. Sometimes, you just know that it's time to say goodbye. And
the moment you know it, you must do it. Running blacklists on
anything less than 100% motivation and energy is not how it should
be done.

Anything else?
- Sure. These blacklists were maintained by a single person, all of
them. Every day. Listings, delistings, finding new DSL/cable ranges,
finding new open proxies, writing better scripts, handling all
email, running statistics, publishing overviews, providing rsync
areas, DNS tranfers. You name it. TINW. There's an I. And I want my
life back, at least a little ;)

Life?
- Yes. Maybe not as we know it. Over the past 3-4 years, the
maintainer of these lists has worked 7 days a week, 10-12 hours a
day running these lists and handling all tasks and email associated
with them. Not a single day has passed without at least processing
delisting requests (the bare minimum).  And then there was the day
job (which was really nothing more than running an ISP's server farm
- peanuts, it's FreeBSD).

Is that all?
- There's more to it, but the details do not really concern you.
Let's just say that the integrity of these lists might have been in
jeopardy in the long run. There are two cardinal sins when it comes
to blacklists: 1.  putting/keeping someone on them who should not be
- 2. not putting someone on them who really should be. Avoiding '1'
is a matter of discipline and a thick skin.  Avoiding '2' is a
matter of being totally independent from all pressures surrounding
you. Avoiding '2' has become increasingly difficult, and we'd rather
stop with our integrity fully intact and our reputation unharmed.
That is about now. Well, next week.

We?
- Yes, dropping that habit will take some time ;)

Will you be back?
- Probably. Lurking.

Will you miss us?
- Depends on how well target practice goes.

Should we give up The Good Fight?
- Hell no, we're winning. There's plenty of enthusiasm, and there
are plenty of new and old blacklists doing fine work. Take your
pick. Keep fighting. Fight for your spam laws. Educate. Annoy. Sue
if you must. It's up to you now.

Is there anything we can do?
- Yes. Spread the word, please. Post to your local/national abuse
groups, inform anyone you know who uses these lists, update your
configurations.  Nothing will break after Dec 1, but there will come
a day when these names (including the old Wirehub ones, which still
resolve) will cease to resolve. This will probably be announced.

Will the lists be back under a different name?
- Probably not. It started out as 'doing some extra work to stop
spam', because .. well .. FreeBSD and such, plenty of time left. And
why not donate that work to the Internet community as well. In the
long run. it turned out to be 'getting some sleep and maybe
something to eat between emails and zone updates'. Sometimes, enough
is just enough.

Can't you just maintain one or two of the lists?
- What did I just say?

I have a question!
- The email address will probably work throughout December. It may
drop dead after that. Hope I won't.

Goodbye all. It was invigorating, it was fun, it was necessary.
Don't give up.

Ben.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-11-21 Thread T. Bradley Dean
Bummer.  So we need to take those out of our global.cfg.

Yes, but what to replace them with? I'm running the defaults at this point
(DSBL, ORDB, SPACOP, BLITZEDALL, SBL). Scott, what will replace the EASYNETs
in the new install .CFG?

~Brad 

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