[Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM

2004-06-29 Thread Jason @ AreaTech
We have had a many e-mails showing up as of late that have no subject/body.
Further investigation shows that these messages are far above our hold
weight.  The latest one I've received has a subject, but no body.  Here are
the headers from the message:

Received: from host107-183.pool80181.interbusiness.it [80.181.183.107] by
areatech.com
  (SMTPD32-7.14) id A7EC9DA0084; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:50:04 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: dolphins@ areatech.com
Subject: Pay less money - receive more software.. It's too simple. ;-)
quibble
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:48:37 -0600
Message-ID: 3[4
X-RBL-Warning: DSN: Not supporting null originator (DSN) [2-19-9800]
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMCHK: Message failed SPAMCHK: 12. [2-36-12000]
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT10: Weight of 39 reaches or exceeds the limit of 10.
[2-37-12800]
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT20: Weight of 39 reaches or exceeds the limit of 27.
[2-40-14000]
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [80.181.183.107]
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SORBS-DUHL, DSN, SPAMCHK, WEIGHT10, WEIGHT20 [39]
X-UIDL: 385498355


Can someone shed some light on what may be causing this to be delivered?


Thanks

Jason

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM

2004-06-29 Thread R. Scott Perry

We have had a many e-mails showing up as of late that have no subject/body.
Further investigation shows that these messages are far above our hold
weight.  The latest one I've received has a subject, but no body.  Here are
the headers from the message:
Actually, these didn't slip through:
X-RBL-Warning: DSN: Not supporting null originator (DSN) [2-19-9800]
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMCHK: Message failed SPAMCHK: 12. [2-36-12000]
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT10: Weight of 39 reaches or exceeds the limit of 10. 
[2-37-12800]
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT20: Weight of 39 reaches or exceeds the limit of 27. 
[2-40-14000]
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SORBS-DUHL, DSN, SPAMCHK, WEIGHT10, WEIGHT20 [39]
This failed 5 spam tests, none of which were set to use the HOLD action.
Can someone shed some light on what may be causing this to be delivered?
If you check the Declude JunkMail log file, it should provide a clue.  It 
sounds like the E-mail may have been addressed to an external user, which 
would cause the actions from the \IMail\Declude\global.cfg file to be used.

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM

2004-06-29 Thread Aaron J . Caviglia
We have been receiving a lot of blank subject, blank sender type, blank 
e-mail type of messages.  Anybody know what these are?

Aaron
On Jun 29, 2004, at 12:58 PM, Jason @ AreaTech wrote:
We have had a many e-mails showing up as of late that have no 
subject/body.
Further investigation shows that these messages are far above our hold
weight.  The latest one I've received has a subject, but no body.  
Here are
the headers from the message:

Received: from host107-183.pool80181.interbusiness.it [80.181.183.107] 
by
areatech.com
  (SMTPD32-7.14) id A7EC9DA0084; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:50:04 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: dolphins@ areatech.com
Subject: Pay less money - receive more software.. It's too simple. ;-)
quibble
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:48:37 -0600
Message-ID: 3[4
X-RBL-Warning: DSN: Not supporting null originator (DSN) [2-19-9800]
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMCHK: Message failed SPAMCHK: 12. [2-36-12000]
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT10: Weight of 39 reaches or exceeds the limit of 
10.
[2-37-12800]
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT20: Weight of 39 reaches or exceeds the limit of 
27.
[2-40-14000]
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [80.181.183.107]
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SORBS-DUHL, DSN, SPAMCHK, WEIGHT10, WEIGHT20 [39]
X-UIDL: 385498355

Can someone shed some light on what may be causing this to be 
delivered?

Thanks
Jason
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM

2004-06-29 Thread Andy Schmidt
Jason,

What does the Declude log file indicate for these messages?

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

HM Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206

http://www.HM-Software.com/


-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason @ AreaTech
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 03:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM


We have had a many e-mails showing up as of late that have no subject/body.
Further investigation shows that these messages are far above our hold
weight.  The latest one I've received has a subject, but no body.  Here are
the headers from the message:

Received: from host107-183.pool80181.interbusiness.it [80.181.183.107] by
areatech.com
  (SMTPD32-7.14) id A7EC9DA0084; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:50:04 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: dolphins@ areatech.com
Subject: Pay less money - receive more software.. It's too simple. ;-)
quibble
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:48:37 -0600
Message-ID: 3[4
X-RBL-Warning: DSN: Not supporting null originator (DSN) [2-19-9800]
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMCHK: Message failed SPAMCHK: 12. [2-36-12000]
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT10: Weight of 39 reaches or exceeds the limit of 10.
[2-37-12800]
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT20: Weight of 39 reaches or exceeds the limit of 27.
[2-40-14000]
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [80.181.183.107]
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SORBS-DUHL, DSN, SPAMCHK, WEIGHT10, WEIGHT20 [39]
X-UIDL: 385498355


Can someone shed some light on what may be causing this to be delivered?


Thanks

Jason

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM

2004-06-29 Thread Jason @ AreaTech
Sorry Scott, should have been more clear.  We don't do a declude Hold at
Weight20, we do a warn, and then I have a rule in Imail (7.15) that sends
anything with WEIGHT20 to a spambox submailbox.

Here are the JM logs:

[trunc]
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 L1 Message OK
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 Tests failed [weight=39]:
SORBS-DUHL=IGNORE DSN=WARN IPNOTINMX=IGNORE SPAMCHK=WARN WEIGHT10=WARN
WEIGHT20=WARN CATCHALLMAILS=IGNORE
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 L2 Message OK
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 Tests failed [weight=39]:
SORBS-DUHL=IGNORE DSN=WARN IPNOTINMX=IGNORE SPAMCHK=WARN WEIGHT10=WARN
WEIGHT20=WARN CATCHALLMAILS=IGNORE
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 L3 Message OK
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 Tests failed [weight=39]:
SORBS-DUHL=IGNORE DSN=WARN IPNOTINMX=IGNORE SPAMCHK=WARN WEIGHT10=WARN
WEIGHT20=WARN CATCHALLMAILS=IGNORE
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 L4 Message OK
[/trunc]


So I'm gonna answer my own question here, and say that Declude got it right,
but Imail didn't catch it in the Rule.  Anyone have a clue on why Imail rule
wouldn't catch the text WEIGHT20 using this rule:


H~(WEIGHT20):spambox


TIA

Jason



- Original Message - 
From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM


 Jason,

 What does the Declude log file indicate for these messages?

 Best Regards
 Andy Schmidt

 HM Systems Software, Inc.
 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

 Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
 Fax:+1 201 934-9206

 http://www.HM-Software.com/



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM

2004-06-29 Thread Ken Weise
If this was forwarded from another account, it would skip the IMail rule. I 
just went through that, when one of our sales people went on vacation and 
forwarded their mail to the CEO, who then received all their spam. :-)

At 04:56 PM 6/29/2004, you wrote:
Sorry Scott, should have been more clear.  We don't do a declude Hold at
Weight20, we do a warn, and then I have a rule in Imail (7.15) that sends
anything with WEIGHT20 to a spambox submailbox.
Here are the JM logs:
[trunc]
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 L1 Message OK
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 Tests failed [weight=39]:
SORBS-DUHL=IGNORE DSN=WARN IPNOTINMX=IGNORE SPAMCHK=WARN WEIGHT10=WARN
WEIGHT20=WARN CATCHALLMAILS=IGNORE
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 L2 Message OK
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 Tests failed [weight=39]:
SORBS-DUHL=IGNORE DSN=WARN IPNOTINMX=IGNORE SPAMCHK=WARN WEIGHT10=WARN
WEIGHT20=WARN CATCHALLMAILS=IGNORE
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 L3 Message OK
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 Tests failed [weight=39]:
SORBS-DUHL=IGNORE DSN=WARN IPNOTINMX=IGNORE SPAMCHK=WARN WEIGHT10=WARN
WEIGHT20=WARN CATCHALLMAILS=IGNORE
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 L4 Message OK
[/trunc]
So I'm gonna answer my own question here, and say that Declude got it right,
but Imail didn't catch it in the Rule.  Anyone have a clue on why Imail rule
wouldn't catch the text WEIGHT20 using this rule:
H~(WEIGHT20):spambox
TIA
Jason

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From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM
 Jason,

 What does the Declude log file indicate for these messages?

 Best Regards
 Andy Schmidt

 HM Systems Software, Inc.
 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

 Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
 Fax:+1 201 934-9206

 http://www.HM-Software.com/


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM

2004-06-29 Thread Jason @ AreaTech

- Original Message - 
From: Ken Weise [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM


 If this was forwarded from another account, it would skip the IMail rule.
I
 just went through that, when one of our sales people went on vacation and
 forwarded their mail to the CEO, who then received all their spam. :-)



Is this by design?  I'm confused now (doesn't take much).  So an e-mail
comes in, it gets processed by declude, processed by rules, and delivered.
Now we take that same e-mail and forward it to my account.   Where does it
go south, does it go from declude to an odd 'forward' process bypassing the
rules, and straight to delivery?


Thanks

Jason

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM

2004-06-29 Thread Grant Griffith - Declude JM
Why not use the command in Declude to do this directly?  In looking at the
manual it appears to be ROUTETO email address.  You could do this for the
WEIGHT20 Piece.

Sincerely,
Grant Griffith
EI8HT LEGS Enhanced Web Management
A Division of ETC
http://www.getafreewebsite.com
877-483-3393

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ken Weise
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM


If this was forwarded from another account, it would skip the IMail rule. I
just went through that, when one of our sales people went on vacation and
forwarded their mail to the CEO, who then received all their spam. :-)

At 04:56 PM 6/29/2004, you wrote:
Sorry Scott, should have been more clear.  We don't do a declude Hold at
Weight20, we do a warn, and then I have a rule in Imail (7.15) that sends
anything with WEIGHT20 to a spambox submailbox.

Here are the JM logs:

[trunc]
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 L1 Message OK
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 Tests failed [weight=39]:
SORBS-DUHL=IGNORE DSN=WARN IPNOTINMX=IGNORE SPAMCHK=WARN WEIGHT10=WARN
WEIGHT20=WARN CATCHALLMAILS=IGNORE
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 L2 Message OK
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 Tests failed [weight=39]:
SORBS-DUHL=IGNORE DSN=WARN IPNOTINMX=IGNORE SPAMCHK=WARN WEIGHT10=WARN
WEIGHT20=WARN CATCHALLMAILS=IGNORE
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 L3 Message OK
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 Tests failed [weight=39]:
SORBS-DUHL=IGNORE DSN=WARN IPNOTINMX=IGNORE SPAMCHK=WARN WEIGHT10=WARN
WEIGHT20=WARN CATCHALLMAILS=IGNORE
06/29/2004 14:49:58 Qc7df09da00840372 L4 Message OK
[/trunc]


So I'm gonna answer my own question here, and say that Declude got it
right,
but Imail didn't catch it in the Rule.  Anyone have a clue on why Imail
rule
wouldn't catch the text WEIGHT20 using this rule:


H~(WEIGHT20):spambox


TIA

Jason



- Original Message -
From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM


  Jason,
 
  What does the Declude log file indicate for these messages?
 
  Best Regards
  Andy Schmidt
 
  HM Systems Software, Inc.
  600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
  Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846
 
  Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
  Fax:+1 201 934-9206
 
  http://www.HM-Software.com/
 
 

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM

2004-06-29 Thread Ken Weise
Actually, my bad, that's what I get for not comprehending when replying. We 
are using Declude's MAILBOX option. So not quite the same situation.

At 05:21 PM 6/29/2004, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Ken Weise [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM
 If this was forwarded from another account, it would skip the IMail rule.
I
 just went through that, when one of our sales people went on vacation and
 forwarded their mail to the CEO, who then received all their spam. :-)

Is this by design?  I'm confused now (doesn't take much).  So an e-mail
comes in, it gets processed by declude, processed by rules, and delivered.
Now we take that same e-mail and forward it to my account.   Where does it
go south, does it go from declude to an odd 'forward' process bypassing the
rules, and straight to delivery?
Thanks
Jason
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM

2004-06-29 Thread Jason @ AreaTech
- Original Message - 
From: Grant Griffith - Declude JM [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM


 Why not use the command in Declude to do this directly?  In looking at the
 manual it appears to be ROUTETO email address.  You could do this for
the
 WEIGHT20 Piece.


I'm not sending all WEIGHT20 to a separate e-mail address.  I'm shooting it
to a sub mailbox.  For this I would use the MAILBOX action, and that
requires PRO which we do not have.


Jason



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM

2004-06-29 Thread Grant Griffith - Declude JM
Not sure if this would really work, but you could send it to a separate
mailbox using the ROUTETO function by putting [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Will this work if it is to the same user?  Might be a way around the
problem?

Sincerely,
Grant Griffith
EI8HT LEGS Enhanced Web Management
A Division of ETC
http://www.getafreewebsite.com
877-483-3393

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason @ AreaTech
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM


- Original Message -
From: Grant Griffith - Declude JM [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM


 Why not use the command in Declude to do this directly?  In looking at the
 manual it appears to be ROUTETO email address.  You could do this for
the
 WEIGHT20 Piece.


I'm not sending all WEIGHT20 to a separate e-mail address.  I'm shooting it
to a sub mailbox.  For this I would use the MAILBOX action, and that
requires PRO which we do not have.


Jason



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM

2004-06-29 Thread Jason @ AreaTech
Don't believe that will work.  Does anyone know why a forwarded message
isn't processed by the rules?

Thanks,

Jason


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Griffith
- Declude JM
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM


Not sure if this would really work, but you could send it to a separate
mailbox using the ROUTETO function by putting
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Will this work if it is to the same user?
Might be a way around the problem?

Sincerely,
Grant Griffith
EI8HT LEGS Enhanced Web Management
A Division of ETC
http://www.getafreewebsite.com
877-483-3393

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason @ AreaTech
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM


- Original Message -
From: Grant Griffith - Declude JM [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM


 Why not use the command in Declude to do this directly?  In looking at

 the manual it appears to be ROUTETO email address.  You could do 
 this for
the
 WEIGHT20 Piece.


I'm not sending all WEIGHT20 to a separate e-mail address.  I'm shooting
it to a sub mailbox.  For this I would use the MAILBOX action, and that
requires PRO which we do not have.


Jason



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Messages slipping through JM

2004-06-29 Thread Matt




IMail is not perfect and I suspect that unless this happens very often
on a range of message types, that this is related to a bug in IMail.

If you noticed, the message that you shared with the list was only a
partial message, although it looks much more substantial after Declude
adds it's headers. I see this stuff all the time, especially from spam
networks like Wholesalebandwidth. Most of these just litter my spool,
however for some reason IMail goes ahead and processes many of them.
They almost all generally end the same way, with a broken Message-ID
and no To, From or Subject headers. I believe that this is the product
of a common error in a particular piece of spamware..

Here's what I think is happening...I believe that you probably have an
IMail rule that is verifying specifically data located in the header.
Since this message has no body (signified by a double line break after
the headers), and the headers are munged, IMail may be experiencing a
parsing error and is unable to check your rule against the header.

It may be possible that Scott could fix this with Declude inserting
extra line breaks in this special situation so that the IMail rules
would work, but only if it is related to not having double line
breaks. Of course Ipswitch could also fix this and in reality it is
their problem if I am correct. If this just happens with munged
messaged with no bodies, I'm very likely to be right about this,
otherwise I'm very likely to be wrong about it :)

Matt



Jason @ AreaTech wrote:

  Don't believe that will work.  Does anyone know why a forwarded message
isn't processed by the rules?

Thanks,

Jason


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Not sure if this would really work, but you could send it to a separate
mailbox using the ROUTETO function by putting
[EMAIL PROTECTED]??? Will this work if it is to the same user?
Might be a way around the problem?

Sincerely,
Grant Griffith
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A Division of ETC
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Why not use the command in Declude to do this directly?  In looking at

  
  
  
  
the manual it appears to be ROUTETO email address.  You could do 
this for

  
  the
  
  
WEIGHT20 Piece.

  
  

I'm not sending all WEIGHT20 to a separate e-mail address.  I'm shooting
it to a sub mailbox.  For this I would use the MAILBOX action, and that
requires PRO which we do not have.


Jason



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