RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

2008-02-25 Thread Robert Grosshandler
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/postmaster/

Third bullet down.  

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Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:59 PM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

Rob,

We are using domain keys and reverse DNS as well as SPF records.  Do you
have a link to where I would request the whitelisting?

Dave

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 Grosshandler
 Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:21 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email
 
 More.  Yahoo has whitelisting, and really cares about reverse DNS pointers
 and Domain Keys.  You might want to resubmit, they were fast for us way
back
 when.
 
 Rob
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Colbeck,
 Andrew
 Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:01 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email
 
 And as a further best practice to what Matt is advising, I'll mention
 that ideally you want to send all outbound mail from an IP that is
 different from your inbound gateways. And that your outbound bulk mail
 would be separate from both.
 
 
 Andrew.
 
 
 
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  Behalf Of Matt
  Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:41 AM
  To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email
 
 
  I did this once about a year and a half ago for a client and they
  responded fairly quickly, but the full process took about a
  month before
  they whitelisted it.
 
  If you are bulk mailing from your hosted mail server, you
  need to stop.
  Never send bulk E-mail from a hosted mail server, and it is
  also good to
  use a different domain for bulk mailing.  I'm not saying that is the
  case here, but bulk mailing can trip Yahoo.
 
  In the mean time, you might want to see if you can just
  switch your IP
  address to see if that will work.
 
  Matt
 
 
 
  Dave Beckstrom wrote:
   Hi All,
  
   Has anyone figured out how to stop Yahoo from blocking
  email?  They've
   blocked all email from our servers for about 3 weeks.  I've
  submitted their
   forms but it hasn't done any good.
  
   Dave
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

2008-02-25 Thread Matt
That's not the correct page, that page is primarily for bulk E-mail 
senders so that they can keep their lists clean.


Use this page instead.  At the bottom is a link to the form that starts 
the process:


   http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/postmaster/basics-55.html

I would guess that it is going to be the Yahoo! Mail Unblock Request 
Form.  This is the same form that I filled out previously for a client.


Matt



Robert Grosshandler wrote:

http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/postmaster/

Third bullet down.  


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave
Beckstrom
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:59 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

Rob,

We are using domain keys and reverse DNS as well as SPF records.  Do you
have a link to where I would request the whitelisting?

Dave

  

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert
Grosshandler
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:21 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

More.  Yahoo has whitelisting, and really cares about reverse DNS pointers
and Domain Keys.  You might want to resubmit, they were fast for us way


back
  

when.

Rob

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of


Colbeck,
  

Andrew
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:01 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

And as a further best practice to what Matt is advising, I'll mention
that ideally you want to send all outbound mail from an IP that is
different from your inbound gateways. And that your outbound bulk mail
would be separate from both.


Andrew.





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Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:41 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email


I did this once about a year and a half ago for a client and they
responded fairly quickly, but the full process took about a
month before
they whitelisted it.

If you are bulk mailing from your hosted mail server, you
need to stop.
Never send bulk E-mail from a hosted mail server, and it is
also good to
use a different domain for bulk mailing.  I'm not saying that is the
case here, but bulk mailing can trip Yahoo.

In the mean time, you might want to see if you can just
switch your IP
address to see if that will work.

Matt



Dave Beckstrom wrote:
  

Hi All,

Has anyone figured out how to stop Yahoo from blocking


email?  They've
  

blocked all email from our servers for about 3 weeks.  I've


submitted their
  

forms but it hasn't done any good.

Dave




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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

2008-02-25 Thread Dave Beckstrom
Hi Matt,


Thanks.  That was the form I submitted several weeks ago.  It didn't get me
anywhere.  It sure is frustrating!

 

Dave

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:27 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

 

That's not the correct page, that page is primarily for bulk E-mail senders
so that they can keep their lists clean.

Use this page instead.  At the bottom is a link to the form that starts the
process:

http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/postmaster/basics-55.html

I would guess that it is going to be the Yahoo! Mail Unblock Request Form.
This is the same form that I filled out previously for a client.

Matt



Robert Grosshandler wrote: 

http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/postmaster/
 
Third bullet down.  
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave
Beckstrom
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:59 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email
 
Rob,
 
We are using domain keys and reverse DNS as well as SPF records.  Do you
have a link to where I would request the whitelisting?
 
Dave
 
  

-Original Message-
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Grosshandler
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:21 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email
 
More.  Yahoo has whitelisting, and really cares about reverse DNS pointers
and Domain Keys.  You might want to resubmit, they were fast for us way


back
  

when.
 
Rob
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of


Colbeck,
  

Andrew
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:01 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email
 
And as a further best practice to what Matt is advising, I'll mention
that ideally you want to send all outbound mail from an IP that is
different from your inbound gateways. And that your outbound bulk mail
would be separate from both.
 
 
Andrew.
 
 
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:41 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email
 
 
I did this once about a year and a half ago for a client and they
responded fairly quickly, but the full process took about a
month before
they whitelisted it.
 
If you are bulk mailing from your hosted mail server, you
need to stop.
Never send bulk E-mail from a hosted mail server, and it is
also good to
use a different domain for bulk mailing.  I'm not saying that is the
case here, but bulk mailing can trip Yahoo.
 
In the mean time, you might want to see if you can just
switch your IP
address to see if that will work.
 
Matt
 
 
 
Dave Beckstrom wrote:
  

Hi All,
 
Has anyone figured out how to stop Yahoo from blocking


email?  They've
  

blocked all email from our servers for about 3 weeks.  I've


submitted their
  

forms but it hasn't done any good.
 
Dave
 
 
 
 
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[Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

2008-02-21 Thread Dave Beckstrom
Hi All,

Has anyone figured out how to stop Yahoo from blocking email?  They've
blocked all email from our servers for about 3 weeks.  I've submitted their
forms but it hasn't done any good.

Dave




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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

2008-02-21 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
And as a further best practice to what Matt is advising, I'll mention
that ideally you want to send all outbound mail from an IP that is
different from your inbound gateways. And that your outbound bulk mail
would be separate from both.


Andrew.

 

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Matt
 Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:41 AM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email
 
 
 I did this once about a year and a half ago for a client and they 
 responded fairly quickly, but the full process took about a 
 month before 
 they whitelisted it.
 
 If you are bulk mailing from your hosted mail server, you 
 need to stop.  
 Never send bulk E-mail from a hosted mail server, and it is 
 also good to 
 use a different domain for bulk mailing.  I'm not saying that is the 
 case here, but bulk mailing can trip Yahoo.
 
 In the mean time, you might want to see if you can just 
 switch your IP 
 address to see if that will work.
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 Dave Beckstrom wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  Has anyone figured out how to stop Yahoo from blocking 
 email?  They've
  blocked all email from our servers for about 3 weeks.  I've 
 submitted their
  forms but it hasn't done any good.
 
  Dave
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

2008-02-21 Thread Matt
I did this once about a year and a half ago for a client and they 
responded fairly quickly, but the full process took about a month before 
they whitelisted it.


If you are bulk mailing from your hosted mail server, you need to stop.  
Never send bulk E-mail from a hosted mail server, and it is also good to 
use a different domain for bulk mailing.  I'm not saying that is the 
case here, but bulk mailing can trip Yahoo.


In the mean time, you might want to see if you can just switch your IP 
address to see if that will work.


Matt



Dave Beckstrom wrote:

Hi All,

Has anyone figured out how to stop Yahoo from blocking email?  They've
blocked all email from our servers for about 3 weeks.  I've submitted their
forms but it hasn't done any good.

Dave




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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

2008-02-21 Thread Matt

Oh, and one more thing...

If you allow non-mail server port 25 traffic to be sent from within your 
network, you either want to block that entirely, or ensure that it 
doesn't go out from the same IP address as your mail server.  I have 
seen many of my clients end up on lists like XBL because of an infected 
desktop that was NAT'ed to be sent from the same IP as their mail server.


Matt



Dave Beckstrom wrote:

Hi All,

Has anyone figured out how to stop Yahoo from blocking email?  They've
blocked all email from our servers for about 3 weeks.  I've submitted their
forms but it hasn't done any good.

Dave




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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

2008-02-21 Thread Robert Grosshandler
More.  Yahoo has whitelisting, and really cares about reverse DNS pointers
and Domain Keys.  You might want to resubmit, they were fast for us way back
when.

Rob

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Andrew
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:01 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

And as a further best practice to what Matt is advising, I'll mention
that ideally you want to send all outbound mail from an IP that is
different from your inbound gateways. And that your outbound bulk mail
would be separate from both.


Andrew.

 

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Matt
 Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:41 AM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email
 
 
 I did this once about a year and a half ago for a client and they 
 responded fairly quickly, but the full process took about a 
 month before 
 they whitelisted it.
 
 If you are bulk mailing from your hosted mail server, you 
 need to stop.  
 Never send bulk E-mail from a hosted mail server, and it is 
 also good to 
 use a different domain for bulk mailing.  I'm not saying that is the 
 case here, but bulk mailing can trip Yahoo.
 
 In the mean time, you might want to see if you can just 
 switch your IP 
 address to see if that will work.
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 Dave Beckstrom wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  Has anyone figured out how to stop Yahoo from blocking 
 email?  They've
  blocked all email from our servers for about 3 weeks.  I've 
 submitted their
  forms but it hasn't done any good.
 
  Dave
 
 
 
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

2008-02-21 Thread Dave Beckstrom
Rob,

We are using domain keys and reverse DNS as well as SPF records.  Do you
have a link to where I would request the whitelisting?

Dave

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 Grosshandler
 Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:21 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email
 
 More.  Yahoo has whitelisting, and really cares about reverse DNS pointers
 and Domain Keys.  You might want to resubmit, they were fast for us way
back
 when.
 
 Rob
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Colbeck,
 Andrew
 Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:01 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email
 
 And as a further best practice to what Matt is advising, I'll mention
 that ideally you want to send all outbound mail from an IP that is
 different from your inbound gateways. And that your outbound bulk mail
 would be separate from both.
 
 
 Andrew.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Matt
  Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:41 AM
  To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email
 
 
  I did this once about a year and a half ago for a client and they
  responded fairly quickly, but the full process took about a
  month before
  they whitelisted it.
 
  If you are bulk mailing from your hosted mail server, you
  need to stop.
  Never send bulk E-mail from a hosted mail server, and it is
  also good to
  use a different domain for bulk mailing.  I'm not saying that is the
  case here, but bulk mailing can trip Yahoo.
 
  In the mean time, you might want to see if you can just
  switch your IP
  address to see if that will work.
 
  Matt
 
 
 
  Dave Beckstrom wrote:
   Hi All,
  
   Has anyone figured out how to stop Yahoo from blocking
  email?  They've
   blocked all email from our servers for about 3 weeks.  I've
  submitted their
   forms but it hasn't done any good.
  
   Dave
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

2008-02-21 Thread Matt
Note that even though they ask if you are using DomainKey, this does 
nothing to get you whitelisted, it's only them promoting their sender 
verification scheme.


I've said this for 4 years now.  Sender verification is useless, and it 
is likely to only cause problems.  The vast majority of senders that 
have either SPF or DomainKey are spammers.  Those that fail SPF or 
DomainKey are often enough forwarded or coming from something like a 
contact app on a website that inserts the sender.  It's not worth the 
trouble, and you or someone else is much more likely to block legitimate 
E-mail.   Yahoo won't whitelist you if you are using them.


Matt



Robert Grosshandler wrote:

More.  Yahoo has whitelisting, and really cares about reverse DNS pointers
and Domain Keys.  You might want to resubmit, they were fast for us way back
when.

Rob

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To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email

And as a further best practice to what Matt is advising, I'll mention
that ideally you want to send all outbound mail from an IP that is
different from your inbound gateways. And that your outbound bulk mail
would be separate from both.


Andrew.

 

  

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
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Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:41 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Yahoo Blocking Email


I did this once about a year and a half ago for a client and they 
responded fairly quickly, but the full process took about a 
month before 
they whitelisted it.


If you are bulk mailing from your hosted mail server, you 
need to stop.  
Never send bulk E-mail from a hosted mail server, and it is 
also good to 
use a different domain for bulk mailing.  I'm not saying that is the 
case here, but bulk mailing can trip Yahoo.


In the mean time, you might want to see if you can just 
switch your IP 
address to see if that will work.


Matt



Dave Beckstrom wrote:


Hi All,

Has anyone figured out how to stop Yahoo from blocking 
  

email?  They've

blocked all email from our servers for about 3 weeks.  I've 
  

submitted their


forms but it hasn't done any good.

Dave




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