Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 2 and DELETE continued
Not a high priority? Crap. I normally have about 1100 emails to fish through after the weekend, now I've got nearly 8,000 because of this delete bug. Maybe I should forward the difference to Declude, see how well their configs are set up. :) Thankfully the 7K+ of messages were caught with SpamAssassin which as of yet hasn't yeilded a false positive. Sam Andy Schmidt wrote: Hi, Yes, cross-posting seems like a good idea - so that we can monitor for developing patterns. Also, I did check my weight settings (I don't use the CATCHALL test) - and I don't think the previous explanations fit my scenario: WEIGHTKILL weight x x 20 0 WEIGHT10 weightrange x x 10 19 WEIGHT8 weightrange x x 8 9 WEIGHTHDR weightrange x x 5 7 WEIGHTFOOTER weightrange x x 5 7 I'm currently swamped - but eventually I'll have to find the time to identify a new case and then re-submit that one to their tech support reporting channels... Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nick Hayer Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 08:47 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 2 and DELETE continued On 1 Mar 2005 at 12:07, Andy Schmidt wrote: I have noticed from day one, that suddenly really obvious Spam that had failed countless tests and should have been deleted (with REALLY high weights) was actually being delivered. I have seen the same thing with v2.05, sent log snippits TWICE and have not had ANY response from Declude support. For me the bigger troubling issue is not that these spams are being passed its that Declude is not sharing its obvious bugs on the list - so like in this example there is no 'me too' when we encounter a problem - its like we are the lone ranger when we encounter a problem with the tech support folks telling us 'run debug'... Software has bugs - oh well - but not sharing these bugs with us is a much bigger problem Hopefully these are just growing pains with the new administration and not the way it will remain. For now any requests to tech support cc'd to the list? -Nick Hayer I had mentioned it on the list twice right after I was finally able to upgrade to 2.04 (after the crashes were fixed). I thought I was dreaming and have not yet found the time to debug it. Thanks for the pointer. If letting through high-weight Spam is "low priority" on the "to be fixed list", then I guess I just have different priorities G? Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Fritz Squib Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 08:42 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 2 and DELETE Apparently I missing something bloody obvious, but with 2.0 running it seems like my delete action doesn't work as expected any more. Running the latest 2.x release downloaded last night. --Global Config-- WEIGHT20 weight x x 20 0 WEIGHT30 weight x x 32 0 --Default.junkmail-- WEIGHT20 HOLD WEIGHT30 DELETE In a brief conversation with Declude the response I got was: "The problem is probably the change in the way the DELETE action works. In the past, it would delete the E-mail for all recipients. Now, it only deletes the E-mail for recipients that use the DELETE action." It still seems like the HOLD action is taking precedence over the DELETE action since mail with weight over my WEIGHT30 test winds up in the hold folder even though the log file says: 02/01/2005 12:25:06 Qbb6c48770128853b Msg failed WEIGHT30 (Weight of 44 reaches or exceeds the limit of 32.). Action="" I has sent Scott debug log files but I still haven't figure out what I'm missing. Yes there are a *few* per user .junkmail files, with an action of WARN, but most of the held mail is either not for them (nor are they CC'd or BCC'd as far as I can tell) and/or (may or may not be related) in the spam review application there is no To: field reported. I have also tried changing 'weight' to 'weightrange' with the appropriate scores, and still see the same results Anyone else ? Fritz --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To un
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 2 and DELETE continued
On 1 Mar 2005 at 12:07, Andy Schmidt wrote: I have noticed from day one, that suddenly really obvious Spam that had failed countless tests and should have been deleted (with REALLY high weights) was actually being delivered. I have seen the same thing with v2.05, sent log snippits TWICE and have not had ANY response from Declude support. For me the bigger troubling issue is not that these spams are being passed its that Declude is not sharing its obvious bugs on the list - so like in this example there is no 'me too' when we encounter a problem - its like we are the lone ranger when we encounter a problem with the tech support folks telling us 'run debug'... Software has bugs - oh well - but not sharing these bugs with us is a much bigger problem Hopefully these are just growing pains with the new administration and not the way it will remain. For now any requests to tech support cc'd to the list? -Nick Hayer I had mentioned it on the list twice right after I was finally able to upgrade to 2.04 (after the crashes were fixed). I thought I was dreaming and have not yet found the time to debug it. Thanks for the pointer. If letting through high-weight Spam is low priority on the to be fixed list, then I guess I just have different priorities G? Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fritz Squib Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 08:42 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 2 and DELETE Apparently I missing something bloody obvious, but with 2.0 running it seems like my delete action doesn't work as expected any more. Running the latest 2.x release downloaded last night. --Global Config-- WEIGHT20 weight x x 20 0 WEIGHT30 weight x x 32 0 --Default.junkmail-- WEIGHT20 HOLD WEIGHT30 DELETE In a brief conversation with Declude the response I got was: The problem is probably the change in the way the DELETE action works. In the past, it would delete the E-mail for all recipients. Now, it only deletes the E-mail for recipients that use the DELETE action. It still seems like the HOLD action is taking precedence over the DELETE action since mail with weight over my WEIGHT30 test winds up in the hold folder even though the log file says: 02/01/2005 12:25:06 Qbb6c48770128853b Msg failed WEIGHT30 (Weight of 44 reaches or exceeds the limit of 32.). Action=DELETE. I has sent Scott debug log files but I still haven't figure out what I'm missing. Yes there are a *few* per user .junkmail files, with an action of WARN, but most of the held mail is either not for them (nor are they CC'd or BCC'd as far as I can tell) and/or (may or may not be related) in the spam review application there is no To: field reported. I have also tried changing 'weight' to 'weightrange' with the appropriate scores, and still see the same results Anyone else ? Fritz --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 2 and DELETE continued
Hi, Yes, cross-posting seems like a good idea - so that we can monitor for developing patterns. Also, I did check my weight settings (I don't use the CATCHALL test) - and I don't think the previous explanations fit my scenario: WEIGHTKILL weight x x 20 0 WEIGHT10weightrange x x 10 19 WEIGHT8 weightrange x x 8 9 WEIGHTHDR weightrange x x 5 7 WEIGHTFOOTER weightrangex x 5 7 I'm currently swamped - but eventually I'll have to find the time to identify a new case and then re-submit that one to their tech support reporting channels... Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Hayer Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 08:47 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 2 and DELETE continued On 1 Mar 2005 at 12:07, Andy Schmidt wrote: I have noticed from day one, that suddenly really obvious Spam that had failed countless tests and should have been deleted (with REALLY high weights) was actually being delivered. I have seen the same thing with v2.05, sent log snippits TWICE and have not had ANY response from Declude support. For me the bigger troubling issue is not that these spams are being passed its that Declude is not sharing its obvious bugs on the list - so like in this example there is no 'me too' when we encounter a problem - its like we are the lone ranger when we encounter a problem with the tech support folks telling us 'run debug'... Software has bugs - oh well - but not sharing these bugs with us is a much bigger problem Hopefully these are just growing pains with the new administration and not the way it will remain. For now any requests to tech support cc'd to the list? -Nick Hayer I had mentioned it on the list twice right after I was finally able to upgrade to 2.04 (after the crashes were fixed). I thought I was dreaming and have not yet found the time to debug it. Thanks for the pointer. If letting through high-weight Spam is low priority on the to be fixed list, then I guess I just have different priorities G? Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fritz Squib Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 08:42 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 2 and DELETE Apparently I missing something bloody obvious, but with 2.0 running it seems like my delete action doesn't work as expected any more. Running the latest 2.x release downloaded last night. --Global Config-- WEIGHT20 weight x x 20 0 WEIGHT30 weight x x 32 0 --Default.junkmail-- WEIGHT20 HOLD WEIGHT30 DELETE In a brief conversation with Declude the response I got was: The problem is probably the change in the way the DELETE action works. In the past, it would delete the E-mail for all recipients. Now, it only deletes the E-mail for recipients that use the DELETE action. It still seems like the HOLD action is taking precedence over the DELETE action since mail with weight over my WEIGHT30 test winds up in the hold folder even though the log file says: 02/01/2005 12:25:06 Qbb6c48770128853b Msg failed WEIGHT30 (Weight of 44 reaches or exceeds the limit of 32.). Action=DELETE. I has sent Scott debug log files but I still haven't figure out what I'm missing. Yes there are a *few* per user .junkmail files, with an action of WARN, but most of the held mail is either not for them (nor are they CC'd or BCC'd as far as I can tell) and/or (may or may not be related) in the spam review application there is no To: field reported. I have also tried changing 'weight' to 'weightrange' with the appropriate scores, and still see the same results Anyone else ? Fritz --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http
