Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns

2006-10-12 Thread Darrell \([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Dave, 

That is really not that uncommon.  I see this with very aggressive spammers 
who are trying to get the most spam through in the least amount of time and 
have no disregard for crashing the server they are sending spam to... 


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Dave Beckstrom writes: 


Yesterday I took a snapshot of the SMTP connections active on our server.  I
then did a reverse IP to find out where they were from. 


Below are the results.  You can see someone from Thailand had 5 SMTP
connections active and Spain had 4.  You can also see that only 3 of the IPS
connected were for potentially legitimate email.  We don't get any
legitimate email from other Countries so everything not from the USA would
be spam. 

Any idea why a spammer would open more than one SMTP connection?   



202.139.211.241 5   Thailand
88.0.230.26 4   Spain   
71.55.71.1382   USA
87.219.166.92   Spain
213.85.39.108   1   Russian Federation
84.77.107.183   1   Spain
83.131.106.234  1   Croatia
84.61.135.611   Germany
83.84.74.219	1	Netherlands 
90.9.36.180	1	France

83.167.108.79   1   Russian Federation
67.172.162.33   1   USA
84.54.248.961   Russian Federation
86.75.242.215   1   France
201.208.171.250 1   Venezuela
88.204.240.177  1   Kazakstan
82.158.0.2371   Spain
69.30.246.125   1   USA
200.168.86.224  1   Brazil
83.167.108.44   1  Russian Federation
75.41.79.2031   USA
200.206.252.123 1   Brazil
84.60.109.148	1	Germany 

 

 


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns

2006-10-12 Thread Craig Edmonds
That's why I now use Blackice Server from IIS.

It can detect multiple smtp connections and close ips down automatically.

Its pretty slick.

Kindest Regards
Craig Edmonds
123 Marbella Internet
W: www.123marbella.com
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave
Beckstrom
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:24 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns

Yesterday I took a snapshot of the SMTP connections active on our server.  I
then did a reverse IP to find out where they were from.

Below are the results.  You can see someone from Thailand had 5 SMTP
connections active and Spain had 4.  You can also see that only 3 of the IPS
connected were for potentially legitimate email.  We don't get any
legitimate email from other Countries so everything not from the USA would
be spam.

Any idea why a spammer would open more than one SMTP connection?  


202.139.211.241 5   Thailand
88.0.230.26 4   Spain   
71.55.71.1382   USA
87.219.166.92   Spain
213.85.39.108   1   Russian Federation
84.77.107.183   1   Spain
83.131.106.234  1   Croatia
84.61.135.611   Germany
83.84.74.2191   Netherlands 
90.9.36.180 1   France
83.167.108.79   1   Russian Federation
67.172.162.33   1   USA
84.54.248.961   Russian Federation
86.75.242.215   1   France
201.208.171.250 1   Venezuela
88.204.240.177  1   Kazakstan
82.158.0.2371   Spain
69.30.246.125   1   USA
200.168.86.224  1   Brazil
83.167.108.44   1  Russian Federation
75.41.79.2031   USA
200.206.252.123 1   Brazil
84.60.109.148   1   Germany





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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns

2006-10-12 Thread Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC
Of course, BlackIce does not support Windows 2003.

-Jay

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Craig Edmonds
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:51 PM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns
Importance: High

That's why I now use Blackice Server from IIS.

It can detect multiple smtp connections and close ips down
automatically.

Its pretty slick.

Kindest Regards
Craig Edmonds
123 Marbella Internet
W: www.123marbella.com
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave
Beckstrom
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:24 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns

Yesterday I took a snapshot of the SMTP connections active on our
server.  I
then did a reverse IP to find out where they were from.

Below are the results.  You can see someone from Thailand had 5 SMTP
connections active and Spain had 4.  You can also see that only 3 of the
IPS
connected were for potentially legitimate email.  We don't get any
legitimate email from other Countries so everything not from the USA
would
be spam.

Any idea why a spammer would open more than one SMTP connection?  


202.139.211.241 5   Thailand
88.0.230.26 4   Spain
71.55.71.1382   USA
87.219.166.92   Spain
213.85.39.108   1   Russian Federation
84.77.107.183   1   Spain
83.131.106.234  1   Croatia
84.61.135.611   Germany
83.84.74.2191   Netherlands 
90.9.36.180 1   France
83.167.108.79   1   Russian Federation
67.172.162.33   1   USA
84.54.248.961   Russian Federation
86.75.242.215   1   France
201.208.171.250 1   Venezuela
88.204.240.177  1   Kazakstan
82.158.0.2371   Spain
69.30.246.125   1   USA
200.168.86.224  1   Brazil
83.167.108.44   1  Russian Federation
75.41.79.2031   USA
200.206.252.123 1   Brazil
84.60.109.148   1   Germany





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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns

2006-10-12 Thread Dave Beckstrom
Blackice runs perfect on Windows 2003 server.  I posted the install
instructions on this list a couple of weeks ago.

Craig -- I believe some email servers will open a secondary connection as
part of their spam checking.  In that case, you might see 2 connections
which would be legitimate.

What setting did you change in blackice to drop those IPs with multiple
connections?



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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay
 Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC
 Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:59 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns
 
 Of course, BlackIce does not support Windows 2003.
 
 -Jay
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Craig Edmonds
 Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:51 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns
 Importance: High
 
 That's why I now use Blackice Server from IIS.
 
 It can detect multiple smtp connections and close ips down
 automatically.
 
 Its pretty slick.
 
 Kindest Regards
 Craig Edmonds
 123 Marbella Internet
 W: www.123marbella.com
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave
 Beckstrom
 Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:24 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns
 
 Yesterday I took a snapshot of the SMTP connections active on our
 server.  I
 then did a reverse IP to find out where they were from.
 
 Below are the results.  You can see someone from Thailand had 5 SMTP
 connections active and Spain had 4.  You can also see that only 3 of the
 IPS
 connected were for potentially legitimate email.  We don't get any
 legitimate email from other Countries so everything not from the USA
 would
 be spam.
 
 Any idea why a spammer would open more than one SMTP connection?
 
 
 202.139.211.241 5 Thailand
 88.0.230.26   4   Spain
 71.55.71.138  2   USA
 87.219.166.9  2   Spain
 213.85.39.108 1   Russian Federation
 84.77.107.183 1   Spain
 83.131.106.2341   Croatia
 84.61.135.61  1   Germany
 83.84.74.219  1   Netherlands
 90.9.36.180   1   France
 83.167.108.79 1   Russian Federation
 67.172.162.33 1   USA
 84.54.248.96  1   Russian Federation
 86.75.242.215 1   France
 201.208.171.250   1   Venezuela
 88.204.240.1771   Kazakstan
 82.158.0.237  1   Spain
 69.30.246.125 1   USA
 200.168.86.2241   Brazil
 83.167.108.44 1  Russian Federation
 75.41.79.203  1   USA
 200.206.252.123   1   Brazil
 84.60.109.148 1   Germany
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns

2006-10-12 Thread Dave Beckstrom
Darrell,

I wondered if that might be the case.  Thanks for the info!

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Darrell
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 4:44 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns
 
 Dave,
 
 That is really not that uncommon.  I see this with very aggressive
spammers
 who are trying to get the most spam through in the least amount of time
and
 have no disregard for crashing the server they are sending spam to...
 
 Darrell
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 mxGuard, and ORF.  IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI
 integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers.
 
 
 Dave Beckstrom writes:
 
  Yesterday I took a snapshot of the SMTP connections active on our
server.  I
  then did a reverse IP to find out where they were from.
 
  Below are the results.  You can see someone from Thailand had 5 SMTP
  connections active and Spain had 4.  You can also see that only 3 of the
IPS
  connected were for potentially legitimate email.  We don't get any
  legitimate email from other Countries so everything not from the USA
would
  be spam.
 
  Any idea why a spammer would open more than one SMTP connection?
 
 
  202.139.211.241 5   Thailand
  88.0.230.26 4   Spain
  71.55.71.1382   USA
  87.219.166.92   Spain
  213.85.39.108   1   Russian Federation
  84.77.107.183   1   Spain
  83.131.106.234  1   Croatia
  84.61.135.611   Germany
  83.84.74.2191   Netherlands
  90.9.36.180 1   France
  83.167.108.79   1   Russian Federation
  67.172.162.33   1   USA
  84.54.248.961   Russian Federation
  86.75.242.215   1   France
  201.208.171.250 1   Venezuela
  88.204.240.177  1   Kazakstan
  82.158.0.2371   Spain
  69.30.246.125   1   USA
  200.168.86.224  1   Brazil
  83.167.108.44   1  Russian Federation
  75.41.79.2031   USA
  200.206.252.123 1   Brazil
  84.60.109.148   1   Germany
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns

2006-10-12 Thread Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC
Well, it didn't run for us.  We tried and it caused random BSOD and ISS
wouldn't provide any support.

-Jay


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave
Beckstrom
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:38 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns

Blackice runs perfect on Windows 2003 server.  I posted the install
instructions on this list a couple of weeks ago.

Craig -- I believe some email servers will open a secondary connection
as
part of their spam checking.  In that case, you might see 2 connections
which would be legitimate.

What setting did you change in blackice to drop those IPs with multiple
connections?



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Jay
 Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC
 Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:59 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns
 
 Of course, BlackIce does not support Windows 2003.
 
 -Jay
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Craig Edmonds
 Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:51 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns
 Importance: High
 
 That's why I now use Blackice Server from IIS.
 
 It can detect multiple smtp connections and close ips down
 automatically.
 
 Its pretty slick.
 
 Kindest Regards
 Craig Edmonds
 123 Marbella Internet
 W: www.123marbella.com
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Dave
 Beckstrom
 Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:24 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns
 
 Yesterday I took a snapshot of the SMTP connections active on our
 server.  I
 then did a reverse IP to find out where they were from.
 
 Below are the results.  You can see someone from Thailand had 5 SMTP
 connections active and Spain had 4.  You can also see that only 3 of
the
 IPS
 connected were for potentially legitimate email.  We don't get any
 legitimate email from other Countries so everything not from the USA
 would
 be spam.
 
 Any idea why a spammer would open more than one SMTP connection?
 
 
 202.139.211.241 5 Thailand
 88.0.230.26   4   Spain
 71.55.71.138  2   USA
 87.219.166.9  2   Spain
 213.85.39.108 1   Russian Federation
 84.77.107.183 1   Spain
 83.131.106.2341   Croatia
 84.61.135.61  1   Germany
 83.84.74.219  1   Netherlands
 90.9.36.180   1   France
 83.167.108.79 1   Russian Federation
 67.172.162.33 1   USA
 84.54.248.96  1   Russian Federation
 86.75.242.215 1   France
 201.208.171.250   1   Venezuela
 88.204.240.1771   Kazakstan
 82.158.0.237  1   Spain
 69.30.246.125 1   USA
 200.168.86.2241   Brazil
 83.167.108.44 1  Russian Federation
 75.41.79.203  1   USA
 200.206.252.123   1   Brazil
 84.60.109.148 1   Germany
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns

2006-10-12 Thread Dave Beckstrom
Jay,

I can tell you why it didn't run for you.  You have to turn DEP (Data
Execution Prevention) off on the server.   That will eliminate the BSOD and
blackice will run flawlessly.



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay
 Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC
 Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:46 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns
 
 Well, it didn't run for us.  We tried and it caused random BSOD and ISS
 wouldn't provide any support.
 
 -Jay
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave
 Beckstrom
 Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:38 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns
 
 Blackice runs perfect on Windows 2003 server.  I posted the install
 instructions on this list a couple of weeks ago.
 
 Craig -- I believe some email servers will open a secondary connection
 as
 part of their spam checking.  In that case, you might see 2 connections
 which would be legitimate.
 
 What setting did you change in blackice to drop those IPs with multiple
 connections?
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Jay
  Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC
  Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:59 PM
  To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns
 
  Of course, BlackIce does not support Windows 2003.
 
  -Jay
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
  Craig Edmonds
  Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:51 PM
  To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns
  Importance: High
 
  That's why I now use Blackice Server from IIS.
 
  It can detect multiple smtp connections and close ips down
  automatically.
 
  Its pretty slick.
 
  Kindest Regards
  Craig Edmonds
  123 Marbella Internet
  W: www.123marbella.com
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Dave
  Beckstrom
  Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:24 PM
  To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns
 
  Yesterday I took a snapshot of the SMTP connections active on our
  server.  I
  then did a reverse IP to find out where they were from.
 
  Below are the results.  You can see someone from Thailand had 5 SMTP
  connections active and Spain had 4.  You can also see that only 3 of
 the
  IPS
  connected were for potentially legitimate email.  We don't get any
  legitimate email from other Countries so everything not from the USA
  would
  be spam.
 
  Any idea why a spammer would open more than one SMTP connection?
 
 
  202.139.211.241 5   Thailand
  88.0.230.26 4   Spain
  71.55.71.1382   USA
  87.219.166.92   Spain
  213.85.39.108   1   Russian Federation
  84.77.107.183   1   Spain
  83.131.106.234  1   Croatia
  84.61.135.611   Germany
  83.84.74.2191   Netherlands
  90.9.36.180 1   France
  83.167.108.79   1   Russian Federation
  67.172.162.33   1   USA
  84.54.248.961   Russian Federation
  86.75.242.215   1   France
  201.208.171.250 1   Venezuela
  88.204.240.177  1   Kazakstan
  82.158.0.2371   Spain
  69.30.246.125   1   USA
  200.168.86.224  1   Brazil
  83.167.108.44   1  Russian Federation
  75.41.79.2031   USA
  200.206.252.123 1   Brazil
  84.60.109.148   1   Germany
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns

2006-10-12 Thread Matt




I would suggest not using Blackice to deal with spam issues, and using
an anti-spam gateway that has greylisting, tarpiting, abuse detection
and prevention, and address validation. Here's a list of products that
have those capabilities that I know of:
Alligate Gateway
MS SMTP/Vamsoft ORF
IMgate (or other open source Linux MTA's with anti-spam connection
handling)

I use Alligate Gateway and I swear by it. It blocks on average about
92% to 94% of connections to my gateways and the only FP's are caused
by seriously non-compliant senders (not tolerating tarpitting of less
than 1 minute if triggered and not spooling/retrying if greylisting is
triggered). I'm not aware of Declude Interceptor yet supporting all of
the capabilities that I outlined, but I would imagine that they are at
least looking into these things.

IMO, it is dangerous to block IP's for more than a very short time due
to bad address attempts because there is plenty of this that happens
from legitimate servers and from even one's own clients. The only time
to place a time based block for an IP should be when a mail bombing
attempt is detected, and these are very rare. Spammers doing brute
force spam attacks (aka dictionary attacks) almost always do this in a
distributed manner and most don't hit a server more than once per day
for a 1 minute or less period with a particular IP. So blocking those
IP's does little. My gateway handles up to 1.1 million connections a
day, and I average around 700 concurrent connections, and the software
averages maybe 5% CPU utilization on my box. My box also doles out
about 2/3 of a year worth of tarpit time every day. This hampers
spammers so much that many of them now disconnect after a very short
period of being tarpitted. I have only had to whitelist one host from
these protections in around 6 months of operation, so it takes care of
itself.

Matt



Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC wrote:

  Well, it didn't run for us.  We tried and it caused random BSOD and ISS
wouldn't provide any support.

-Jay


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave
Beckstrom
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:38 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns

Blackice runs perfect on Windows 2003 server.  I posted the install
instructions on this list a couple of weeks ago.

Craig -- I believe some email servers will open a secondary connection
as
part of their spam checking.  In that case, you might see 2 connections
which would be legitimate.

What setting did you change in blackice to drop those IPs with multiple
connections?



  
  
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of

  
  Jay
  
  
Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:59 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns

Of course, BlackIce does not support Windows 2003.

-Jay

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Craig Edmonds
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:51 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns
Importance: High

That's why I now use Blackice Server from IIS.

It can detect multiple smtp connections and close ips down
automatically.

Its pretty slick.

Kindest Regards
Craig Edmonds
123 Marbella Internet
W: www.123marbella.com



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of

  
  Dave
  
  
Beckstrom
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:24 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting SMTP connection patterns

Yesterday I took a snapshot of the SMTP connections active on our
server.  I
then did a reverse IP to find out where they were from.

Below are the results.  You can see someone from Thailand had 5 SMTP
connections active and Spain had 4.  You can also see that only 3 of

  
  the
  
  
IPS
connected were for potentially legitimate email.  We don't get any
legitimate email from other Countries so everything not from the USA
would
be spam.

Any idea why a spammer would open more than one SMTP connection?


202.139.211.241 5	Thailand
88.0.230.26	4	Spain
71.55.71.138	2	USA
87.219.166.9	2	Spain
213.85.39.108	1	Russian Federation
84.77.107.183	1	Spain
83.131.106.234	1	Croatia
84.61.135.61	1	Germany
83.84.74.219	1	Netherlands
90.9.36.180	1	France
83.167.108.79	1	Russian Federation
67.172.162.33	1	USA
84.54.248.96	1	Russian Federation
86.75.242.215	1	France
201.208.171.250	1	Venezuela
88.204.240.177	1	Kazakstan
82.158.0.237	1	Spain
69.30.246.125	1	USA
200.168.86.224	1	Brazil
83.167.108.44	1  Russian Federation
75.41.79.203	1	USA
200.206.252.123	1	Brazil
84.60.109.148	1	Germany





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