RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? - Java?
The neat thing about Posini though is that my delivery load PrePostini was 220,000 emails AFTER Declude sorted. PostPostini it is now 35,000. Postini stops DHA and SPAM DOS as well. They use Postfix. It really is neat and I would prefer if I could have the staff and resources to build a redundant infrastructure like that but I don't so we will do this for now. Perhaps they will one day integrate it with mail suites like Imail and Brightmail but that is the only drawback I see ATM. Maybe you should bite the bulllet and offer the service to your customers as well. (The ROI makes sense if you are inundated with SPAM. BW savings is a factor if your BW is expensive.) Craig. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sheldon Koehler Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? - Java? I'd gladly pay for something that worked. I did not expect it for free. I have the KWM price in mind as a point I could get my partners to go for. Any higher than this and it would be a very hard sell for me. So this means a lot of people need to be interested in it! Our local competition uses Postini. And I have lost a few customers over to them as people do seem to like that interface. However, I have thrown out the security thing to muddy the waters ;-) We do not send their email out to someone else's servers... I let them draw their own wrong conclusions... But if I could lighten my own load and give users an easy to use interface, I would be extremely happy! Sheldon Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com Ten Forward Communications 360-457-9023 Nationwide access, neighborhood support! Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? - Java?
i'd gladly pay too - Original Message - From: Sheldon Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? - Java? I'd gladly pay for something that worked. I did not expect it for free. I have the KWM price in mind as a point I could get my partners to go for. Any higher than this and it would be a very hard sell for me. So this means a lot of people need to be interested in it! Our local competition uses Postini. And I have lost a few customers over to them as people do seem to like that interface. However, I have thrown out the security thing to muddy the waters ;-) We do not send their email out to someone else's servers... I let them draw their own wrong conclusions... But if I could lighten my own load and give users an easy to use interface, I would be extremely happy! Sheldon Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com Ten Forward Communications 360-457-9023 Nationwide access, neighborhood support! Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion?
We do. running CF 6.1 soone, but for now is 5.0 etc... why do you ask need a guinea pig gri! - Original Message - From: Jason (by way of R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:42 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? I was just wondering how many people here have a ColdFusion server at their disposal. Jason Wolfe Lead Developer Netcomm, Inc. http://www.netcomm.com (859) 224-4124 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion?
I have about 15...why? Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason (by way of R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? I was just wondering how many people here have a ColdFusion server at their disposal. Jason Wolfe Lead Developer Netcomm, Inc. http://www.netcomm.com (859) 224-4124 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion?
I've got one, but don't really use it. I much prefer ASP, if just for the integration and stability. Matt Jason (by way of R. Scott Perry ) wrote: I was just wondering how many people here have a ColdFusion server at their disposal. Jason Wolfe Lead Developer Netcomm, Inc. http://www.netcomm.com (859) 224-4124 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion?
Me. Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator VantageMed Operations (Kansas City) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason (by way of R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? I was just wondering how many people here have a ColdFusion server at their disposal. Jason Wolfe Lead Developer Netcomm, Inc. http://www.netcomm.com (859) 224-4124 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion?
Me to :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: 6. november 2003 23:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do. Fred - Original Message - From: Jason (by way of R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? I was just wondering how many people here have a ColdFusion server at their disposal. Jason Wolfe Lead Developer Netcomm, Inc. http://www.netcomm.com (859) 224-4124 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? - Java?
Title: Message I question the importance tomake the interface "cross platform" - when the tool that you are managing (Imail and Declude) are Windows specific? I'd personally rather use the web server that is already optimized for that environment and offers me plenty of control: IIS. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete McNeilSent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 05:35 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? - Java? OT - sort of. We do most of our heavy web work in Java/JSP.We've tossed around the idea of building a Java app that would accept HTTP connections (perhaps on an alternate port) and provide an interface to Declude other spam management tools for users admins. Our development schedule is _very_ full, but if there is a significant interest in this I couldexplore shifting some effort in that direction. As a dedicated Java app it would be cross-platform compatible (in theory), relatively secure, lightweight,and could be configured to run along side any web services that might be present (such as KWM). In an IMail environment we could even present a postini-like interface for users to "release" their held spam - and generate accurate false positive reporting in the process, etc... (these are the ideas we have anyway...) Thoughts? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew BrambleSent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:46 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion?I've got one, but don't really use it. I much prefer ASP, if just for the integration and stability.Matt
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? - Java?
I'm not sure that I totally followed you, however I think I know where
you are going with that. FP reporting is important to your product,
and anything that could make the process easier would benefit all of
your users, even if some didn't use it.
Speaking for myself and from my perception of what I have seen, I think
my approach to management of such things, while not totally out of the
ordinary, is unique, and I have the same perception of most here.
While I have Web-mail (KWM), I don't use it except for spam reviewing,
and my users hardly use it at all. Over time I expect to be doing a
lot more gateway spam blocking, in which case a setup for managing such
domains would need to be quite different since they aren't locally
hosted, but locally managed. The real usefulness might be in single
domain installations.
Maybe I'm not following what you are getting at though. It might be
real nice though to come up with a plug-in for reporting spam and false
positives in the mail client, or at least the Web-mail client. If I
chose to report spam from a Web mail client for instance, it will munge
the HTML stuff and you could lose some important data for processing.
Having the original header information would also be quite useful for a
dual match with the body URL for your filtering (this has given me some
issues in my trial and forces me to score low in the event of forwarded
content from legit users). Don't get me wrong though, by in large, I'm
very impressed with your architecture after three days of trialing your
product.
Matt
Pete McNeil wrote:
Message
OT - sort of.
We do most of our heavy web work in
Java/JSP.We've tossed around the idea of building a Java app that
would accept HTTP connections (perhaps on an alternate port) and
provide an interface to Declude other spam management tools for
users admins.
Our development schedule is _very_ full, but
if there is a significant interest in this I couldexplore shifting
some effort in that direction.
As a dedicated Java app it would be
cross-platform compatible (in theory), relatively secure,
lightweight,and could be configured to run along side any web services
that might be present (such as KWM). In an IMail environment we could
even present a postini-like interface for users to "release" their held
spam - and generate accurate false positive reporting in the process,
etc... (these are the ideas we have anyway...)
Thoughts?
-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matthew
Bramble
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion?
I've got one, but don't really use it. I much prefer ASP, if just for
the integration and stability.
Matt
Jason (by way of R. Scott Perry ) wrote:
I was just wondering how many people here have a
ColdFusion server at their disposal.
Jason Wolfe
Lead Developer
Netcomm, Inc.
http://www.netcomm.com
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion?
Us too! John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Forsyth Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? I have about 15...why? Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason (by way of R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? I was just wondering how many people here have a ColdFusion server at their disposal. Jason Wolfe Lead Developer Netcomm, Inc. http://www.netcomm.com (859) 224-4124 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? - Java?
I am not a programmer by any stretch of the word! Bit I would love to see a user interface and a domain interface for Declude Junkmail that works from the KWM menus. I have tossed around this idea before but always get distracted with other projects. I do not remember who (I could search my email...) I talked to this past spring, but someone was working on this I think. I never heard anything more so I never followed up (my own fault). We host about 150 domains on our Imail server. There are about 5000 mailboxes on it. I spend a couple hours per day tweaking settings answering Spam related email and tracking down FP's. If I could offload some of this on the users in a way that would be easy for them, I would love it! The Auto Whitelist is OK, but we have had several people put [EMAIL PROTECTED] and then complain they are getting tons of Spam. I did like Scot's interface, as it was simple and clean but having user remember another password would not be a good option. And since our KWM sees a lot of use, having the menus there would be easy for users to find it. Sheldon Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com Ten Forward Communications 360-457-9023 Nationwide access, neighborhood support! Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? - Java?
If I read you right, you might be interested in a java applet that can be tied into KWM or even built into a web page you develop... perhaps using page based JS to gather message details to feed to the applet... It sounds like a lot of complexity but it's worth looking in that direction. The applet would be able to make specialized HTTP calls back to the same server (security restrictions) - and that server could respond using IIS, CF, or whatever was handy. We do http tunneling like this all the time - so the question then would be, if a toolbox applet like this existed, with a well published API, then what tools should/would it contain? (This is getting far, far off topic unless it quickly leads to a list of Declude centric adjustments that might be supported in the applet provided UI... sorry for the ot - Please feel free to contact me off list if it heads further ot.) _M At 06:08 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote: I'm not sure that I totally followed you, however I think I know where you are going with that. FP reporting is important to your product, and anything that could make the process easier would benefit all of your users, even if some didn't use it. Speaking for myself and from my perception of what I have seen, I think my approach to management of such things, while not totally out of the ordinary, is unique, and I have the same perception of most here. While I have Web-mail (KWM), I don't use it except for spam reviewing, and my users hardly use it at all. Over time I expect to be doing a lot more gateway spam blocking, in which case a setup for managing such domains would need to be quite different since they aren't locally hosted, but locally managed. The real usefulness might be in single domain installations. Maybe I'm not following what you are getting at though. It might be real nice though to come up with a plug-in for reporting spam and false positives in the mail client, or at least the Web-mail client. If I chose to report spam from a Web mail client for instance, it will munge the HTML stuff and you could lose some important data for processing. Having the original header information would also be quite useful for a dual match with the body URL for your filtering (this has given me some issues in my trial and forces me to score low in the event of forwarded content from legit users). Don't get me wrong though, by in large, I'm very impressed with your architecture after three days of trialing your product. Matt Pete McNeil wrote: OT - sort of. We do most of our heavy web work in Java/JSP. We've tossed around the idea of building a Java app that would accept HTTP connections (perhaps on an alternate port) and provide an interface to Declude other spam management tools for users admins. Our development schedule is _very_ full, but if there is a significant interest in this I could explore shifting some effort in that direction. As a dedicated Java app it would be cross-platform compatible (in theory), relatively secure, lightweight, and could be configured to run along side any web services that might be present (such as KWM). In an IMail environment we could even present a postini-like interface for users to release their held spam - and generate accurate false positive reporting in the process, etc... (these are the ideas we have anyway...) Thoughts? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matthew Bramble Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? I've got one, but don't really use it. I much prefer ASP, if just for the integration and stability. Matt Jason (by way of R. Scott Perry ) wrote: I was just wondering how many people here have a ColdFusion server at their disposal. Jason Wolfe Lead Developer Netcomm, Inc. http://www.netcomm.com (859) 224-4124 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- === Matthew S. Bramble President and Technical Coordinator iGaia Incorporated, Operator of NYcars.com --- Office Phone: (518) 862-9042 Cellular: (518) 229-3375 Fax: (518) 862-9044 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] === --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? - Java?
At 07:16 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote: As a dedicated Java app it would be cross-platform compatible (in theory), relatively secure, lightweight, and could be configured to run along side any web services that might be present (such as KWM). In an IMail environment we could even present a postini-like interface for users to release their held spam - and generate accurate false positive reporting in the process, etc... (these are the ideas we have anyway...) Thoughts? How much and when will it be ready? ;-) :-) ... now where did I put that magic wand, and then I've got to find the money tree, give that a shake,... eye of newt... --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? - Java?
think
my approach to management of such things, while not totally out of the
ordinary, is unique, and I have the same perception of most here.
While I have Web-mail (KWM), I don't use it except for spam reviewing,
and my users hardly use it at all. Over time I expect to be doing a
lot more gateway spam blocking, in which case a setup for managing such
domains would need to be quite different since they aren't locally
hosted, but locally managed. The real usefulness might be in single
domain installations.
Maybe I'm not following what you are getting at though. It might be
real nice though to come up with a plug-in for reporting spam and false
positives in the mail client, or at least the Web-mail client. If I
chose to report spam from a Web mail client for instance, it will munge
the HTML stuff and you could lose some important data for
processing. Having the original header information would also be
quite useful for a dual match with the body URL for your filtering
(this
has given me some issues in my trial and forces me to score low in the
event of forwarded content from legit users). Don't get me wrong
though, by in large, I'm very impressed with your architecture after
three days of trialing your product.
Matt
Pete McNeil wrote:
OT -
sort of.
We do most of our heavy web work
in
Java/JSP. We've tossed around the idea of building a Java app that
would
accept HTTP connections (perhaps on an alternate port) and provide an
interface to Declude other spam management tools for users
admins.
Our development schedule is _very_
full, but
if there is a significant interest in this I could explore shifting
some
effort in that direction.
As a dedicated Java app it would
be
cross-platform compatible (in theory), relatively secure, lightweight,
and could be configured to run along side any web services that might
be
present (such as KWM). In an IMail environment we could even present a
postini-like interface for users to "release" their held spam -
and generate accurate false positive reporting in the process, etc...
(these are the ideas we have anyway...)
Thoughts?
-Original
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From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Matthew Bramble
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use
ColdFusion?
I've got one, but don't really use it. I much prefer
ASP, if just for the integration and stability.
Matt
Jason (by way of R. Scott Perry ) wrote:
I was just
wondering how many people here have a ColdFusion server at their
disposal.
Jason Wolfe
Lead Developer
Netcomm, Inc.
http://www.netcomm.com
(859) 224-4124
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? - Java?
I've thought about the idea of building a digest notification app for Declude which allows users to retrieve held messages, change notification intervals, whitelist senders (and manage them), and allow for users to set their individual spam blocking level. Again though, the last two parts requires some integration with IMail rules, and exceptions can be messy (how to handle messages to aliases that were held), and they wouldn't work in the same regard for gatewayed E-mail. I'm throwing this out here because if I ever get to this, it will probably be a long time and difficult to support as a for-sale application. It would be absolutely killer though, and it would dramatically reduce the need for administrators to do monitoring. It also would remind the customer of how much spam we are blocking, and give them some control without messing up our Declude setup with endless customizations. I'd gladly pay for something that worked. Matt Pete McNeil wrote: One piece of what I had in mind was a gadget to look through the spam folder, and pull out a list of the messages held for a given user. If the user decides they want that message (based on from subject) then the utility would send it back into the spool for delivery and make an appropriate (and detailed) fp report - perhaps also taking some automated tuning actions. (The cross - platform part means that messages held on a Postfix box could also be handled this way - with a few under-the-cover tweaks. This would be seamless to the end user and might also work for other platforms if it's done in a clean modular way.) Other parts of the utility would put a pretty face on global, domain, user specific settings in Declude (if any). Again, in a modular way - probably switched on and off based on the user that is logged in. Here again, some modular design might make the tool portable to other environments... but that's a secondary concern. Does that sound like something in line with your thinking? Anyway it's a non-trivial project, so it's going to take some pushing to move it forward. Strong interest (if it appears) would help. _M At 07:14 PM 11/6/2003, you wrote: I am not a programmer by any stretch of the word! Bit I would love to see a user interface and a domain interface for Declude Junkmail that works from the KWM menus. I have tossed around this idea before but always get distracted with other projects. I do not remember who (I could search my email...) I talked to this past spring, but someone was working on this I think. I never heard anything more so I never followed up (my own fault). We host about 150 domains on our Imail server. There are about 5000 mailboxes on it. I spend a couple hours per day tweaking settings answering Spam related email and tracking down FP's. If I could offload some of this on the users in a way that would be easy for them, I would love it! The Auto Whitelist is OK, but we have had several people put [EMAIL PROTECTED] and then complain they are getting tons of Spam. I did like Scot's interface, as it was simple and clean but having user remember another password would not be a good option. And since our KWM sees a lot of use, having the menus there would be easy for users to find it. Sheldon Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com Ten Forward Communications 360-457-9023 Nationwide access, neighborhood support! Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? - Java?
I'd gladly pay for something that worked. I did not expect it for free. I have the KWM price in mind as a point I could get my partners to go for. Any higher than this and it would be a very hard sell for me. So this means a lot of people need to be interested in it! Our local competition uses Postini. And I have lost a few customers over to them as people do seem to like that interface. However, I have thrown out the security thing to muddy the waters ;-) We do not send their email out to someone else's servers... I let them draw their own wrong conclusions... But if I could lighten my own load and give users an easy to use interface, I would be extremely happy! Sheldon Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com Ten Forward Communications 360-457-9023 Nationwide access, neighborhood support! Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion? - Java?
Now I understand what Postini is, the original question makes more sense. I just read a review of their service from PC Magazine (linked from their site). They have a 1.4% false positive rate, and a 15.1% false negative rate. For a comparison, our first gateway customer (fairly small client) in the last three days has seen a 0.12% false positive rate, and a 0.61% false negative rate. The only FP was an ad from JCrew and was the result of just having installed Message Sniffer and needing to build up my whitelist for them. This account averages about 13.7 spams per day per account, though over 90% of it goes to just 15% of their users. I'd call that a good selling point :) I must confess though, their traffic was easy, but the majority of the false negatives will be gone after I block two more static spammers. Read about the results from that article for them and other companies at this link: http://www.postini.com/services/Postini_PC_Mag_11_2003.pdf Decent interface...very questionable results. Matt Sheldon Koehler wrote: I'd gladly pay for something that worked. I did not expect it for free. I have the KWM price in mind as a point I could get my partners to go for. Any higher than this and it would be a very hard sell for me. So this means a lot of people need to be interested in it! Our local competition uses Postini. And I have lost a few customers over to them as people do seem to like that interface. However, I have thrown out the "security" thing to muddy the waters ;-) We do not send their email "out" to someone else's servers... I let them draw their own wrong conclusions... But if I could lighten my own load and give users an easy to use interface, I would be extremely happy! Sheldon Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com Ten Forward Communications 360-457-9023 Nationwide access, neighborhood support! "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Do you use ColdFusion?
Ditto here. Solid as a rock if left in capable hands. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
