Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then getting false positives on MessageSniffer

2004-12-13 Thread R. Scott Perry

Umm, Wouldn't the 0 9 setting put a Positive weight on a good clean email?
shouldn't it be like
SNIFFER external nonzero "c:\sniffer\win32\licenseid.exe authcode" 7 -7
You are correct -- it was set up to put a positive weight on E-mail that 
passed the test, and not affecting the weight of E-mail that fails the test.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then getting false positives on MessageSniffer

2004-12-13 Thread Katie LaSalle-Lowery
I think I was seeing n9 in the log...which, now, I'm inferring was maybe
negative nine due to my having a 9 at the end of the line?

At this point, though, I'm really thinking that it was adding ipnotinmx and
nolegitcontent as bad cholesterol instead of good cholesterol...  Meaning,
they were adding to the weight rather than counter-weighting.  I come to
this conclusion because if I add up the weights of the tests failed for
messages that got caught that shouldn't have the weight only adds up if
these tests are being added up as positive integers.

Thanks!

Katie LaSalle-Lowery
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>I have commented out sniffer, ipnotinmx and nolegitcontent as those are 
>my suspects...  Everything else is how the configuration was when I 
>became aware I had problems.
>
>#IPNOTINMX  ipnotinmx   x   x   0   -3
>#NOLEGITCONTENT nolegitcontent  x   x   0   -5
>#SNIFFERexternalnonzero
>"C:\IMail\Declude\Sniffer\wuckd6ww.exe y5abucz7zhoqeg0o"0   9

These are all set up properly.

Are you seeing "SNIFFER" in the X-Spam-Tests-Failed: header when you think
that the E-mail didn't fail Message Sniffer but apparently did?  If not,
what makes you think that the E-mail is failing the Message Sniffer test?

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then getting false positives on MessageSniffer

2004-12-13 Thread Bill Landry
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From: "William Stillwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Umm, Wouldn't the 0 9 setting put a Positive weight on a good clean email?
>
> shouldn't it be like
>
> SNIFFER external nonzero "c:\sniffer\win32\licenseid.exe authcode" 7 -7
>
> which would put a Positive 7 on a nonzero return, and a -7 on a Zero
Return
> ?

Although Sniffer does exceptionally well at detecting spam, it is not
perfect.  I send missed spam to the Sniffer spam address daily, so appling a
negative weight to non-Sniffer tagged e-mail will most likely result in
reduced weight of some spam messages, as well.  It's better to just leave
the last field at zero.

> Also, when posting your global.cfg file, I would recommend DELETING your
> LicenseID
> and Authentication Code for Shiffer.

Indeed!  Katie, I accidentally did the same thing about a year ago.  You
will probably want to contact MicroNeil and ask them to issue you a new
Sniffer LicenseID and AuthCode.

Bill

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then getting false positives on MessageSniffer

2004-12-13 Thread William Stillwell
Umm, Wouldn't the 0 9 setting put a Positive weight on a good clean email?
shouldn't it be like
SNIFFER external nonzero "c:\sniffer\win32\licenseid.exe authcode" 7 -7
which would put a Positive 7 on a nonzero return, and a -7 on a Zero Return 
?

Also, when posting your global.cfg file, I would recommend DELETING your 
LicenseID
and Authentication Code for Shiffer.


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Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then 
getting false positives on MessageSniffer



I have commented out sniffer, ipnotinmx and nolegitcontent as those are my
suspects...  Everything else is how the configuration was when I became
aware I had problems.
#IPNOTINMX  ipnotinmx   x   x   0   -3
#NOLEGITCONTENT nolegitcontent  x   x   0   -5
#SNIFFERexternalnonzero
"C:\IMail\Declude\Sniffer\wuckd6ww.exe y5abucz7zhoqeg0o"0   9
These are all set up properly.
Are you seeing "SNIFFER" in the X-Spam-Tests-Failed: header when you think 
that the E-mail didn't fail Message Sniffer but apparently did?  If not, 
what makes you think that the E-mail is failing the Message Sniffer test?

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then getting false positives on MessageSniffer

2004-12-13 Thread R. Scott Perry

I have commented out sniffer, ipnotinmx and nolegitcontent as those are my
suspects...  Everything else is how the configuration was when I became
aware I had problems.
#IPNOTINMX  ipnotinmx   x   x   0   -3
#NOLEGITCONTENT nolegitcontent  x   x   0   -5
#SNIFFERexternalnonzero
"C:\IMail\Declude\Sniffer\wuckd6ww.exe y5abucz7zhoqeg0o"0   9
These are all set up properly.
Are you seeing "SNIFFER" in the X-Spam-Tests-Failed: header when you think 
that the E-mail didn't fail Message Sniffer but apparently did?  If not, 
what makes you think that the E-mail is failing the Message Sniffer test?

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then getting false positives on MessageSniffer

2004-12-13 Thread Katie LaSalle-Lowery
Here's my global.cfg.

I have commented out sniffer, ipnotinmx and nolegitcontent as those are my
suspects...  Everything else is how the configuration was when I became
aware I had problems.  

Thanks!




AHBLip4rdnsbl.ahbl.org  *   6
0
BLITZEDALL  ip4ropm.blitzed.org *   7
0
CBL ip4rcbl.abuseat.org 127.0.0.2   6
0
DSBLip4rlist.dsbl.org   *   6
0
ORDBip4rrelays.ordb.org *   5
0
SBL ip4rsbl.spamhaus.org*   7
0
SORBS-HTTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.2   5
0
SORBS-SOCKS ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.3   5
0
SORBS-MISC  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.4   5
0
SORBS-SMTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.5   5
0
SORBS-SPAM  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.6   4
0
SORBS-WEB   ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.7   5
0
SORBS-BLOCK ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.8   5
0
SORBS-ZOMBIEip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.9   5
0
SORBS-DUHL  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.10  4
0
SPAMCOP ip4rbl.spamcop.net  127.0.0.2   7
0

DSN rhsbl   dsn.rfc-ignorant.org127.0.0.2   3
0
NOABUSE rhsbl   abuse.rfc-ignorant.org  127.0.0.4   2
0
NOPOSTMASTERrhsbl   postmaster.rfc-ignorant.org 127.0.0.3   1
0

BONDEDSENDERip4rquery.bondedsender.org  127.0.0.10  -10
0

BADHEADERS  badheaders  x   x   4   0
BASE64  base64  x   x   4   0
CMDSPACEcmdspacex   x   8   0
COMMENTScommentsx   x   7   0
HELOBOGUS   helovalid   x   x   5   0
#IPNOTINMX  ipnotinmx   x   x   0   -3
MAILFROMenvfrom x   x   12  0
#NOLEGITCONTENT nolegitcontent  x   x   0   -5
PERCENT percent x   x   10  0
REVDNS  revdnsexistsx   x   4   0
ROUTING spamrouting x   x   2   0
SPAMHEADERS spamheaders x   x   3   0
#SPFFAILspffail x   x   3   0


#SNIFFERexternalnonzero
"C:\IMail\Declude\Sniffer\wuckd6ww.exe y5abucz7zhoqeg0o"0   9


WEIGHT10weight  x   x   10  0
WEIGHT20weight  x   x   20  0

CATCHALLMAILS   catchallmails   x   x   0   0 




Katie LaSalle-Lowery
Centric Internet Services
1410 Reserve St.
Missoula, MT 59801
Local Phone 549-3337 ext. 21
Toll Free (888)593-2776 ext. 21
Fax (406)721-3438
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff
(Lists)
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then
getting false positives on MessageSniffer

If you post those relevant sections of your Global.cfg, we can help figure
it out.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Katie LaSalle-Lowery
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:14 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Ken DeCosta
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since 
> then
getting
> false positives on MessageSniffer
> 
> Okay, upon further review, and if I'm reading things right, it looks 
> like MessageSniffer is *not* getting a false postive (logs shows 
> "clean") but Declude is penalizing by applying the weight as though 
> the test was
failed.
> I sent an example to [EMAIL PROTECTED] earlier today.  It looks 
> like maybe Declude is scoring ipnotinmx and nolegitcontent as a 
> positive weight instead of as a counterbalance.
> 
> 
> Katie LaSalle-Lowery
> Centric Internet Services
> 1410 Reserve St.
> Missoula, MT 59801
> Local Phone 549-3337 ext. 21
> Toll Free (888)593-2776 ext. 21
> Fax (406)721-3438
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Katie 
> LaSalle-Lowery
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:52 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then 
> getting false positives on MessageSniffer
> 
> Thurs evening I upgraded our Declude installation to version 1.81 (we 
> had been at 1.65).  I have become aware of a number of false positives 
> in MessageSniffer since Friday.  

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then getting false positives on MessageSniffer

2004-12-13 Thread R. Scott Perry

Okay, upon further review, and if I'm reading things right, it looks like
MessageSniffer is *not* getting a false postive (logs shows "clean") but
Declude is penalizing by applying the weight as though the test was failed.
I sent an example to [EMAIL PROTECTED] earlier today.  It looks like
maybe Declude is scoring ipnotinmx and nolegitcontent as a positive weight
instead of as a counterbalance.
In that case, you should check the test definition line in the global.cfg 
file -- the weight should appear as the 5th entry.  For example:

SNIFFER externalnonzero "C:\IMail\Declude\Sniffer\snfrv2r2.exe 
xnk05x5vmipeaof7"7   0

If there is another piece of data there before the weight, it may cause 
Declude to add the weight to E-mails that do not fail Message Sniffer.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then getting false positives on MessageSniffer

2004-12-13 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
If you post those relevant sections of your Global.cfg, we can help figure
it out.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Katie LaSalle-Lowery
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:14 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Ken DeCosta
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then
getting
> false positives on MessageSniffer
> 
> Okay, upon further review, and if I'm reading things right, it looks like
> MessageSniffer is *not* getting a false postive (logs shows "clean") but
> Declude is penalizing by applying the weight as though the test was
failed.
> I sent an example to [EMAIL PROTECTED] earlier today.  It looks like
> maybe Declude is scoring ipnotinmx and nolegitcontent as a positive weight
> instead of as a counterbalance.
> 
> 
> Katie LaSalle-Lowery
> Centric Internet Services
> 1410 Reserve St.
> Missoula, MT 59801
> Local Phone 549-3337 ext. 21
> Toll Free (888)593-2776 ext. 21
> Fax (406)721-3438
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Katie
> LaSalle-Lowery
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:52 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then
> getting false positives on MessageSniffer
> 
> Thurs evening I upgraded our Declude installation to version 1.81 (we had
> been at 1.65).  I have become aware of a number of false positives in
> MessageSniffer since Friday.  We had not seen any false positives in
> MessageSniffer previously.
> 
> Any thoughts or suggestions?
> 
> 
> Katie LaSalle-Lowery
> Centric Internet Services
> 1410 Reserve St.
> Missoula, MT 59801
> Local Phone 549-3337 ext. 21
> Toll Free (888)593-2776 ext. 21
> Fax (406)721-3438
> 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then getting false positives on MessageSniffer

2004-12-13 Thread Katie LaSalle-Lowery
Okay, upon further review, and if I'm reading things right, it looks like
MessageSniffer is *not* getting a false postive (logs shows "clean") but
Declude is penalizing by applying the weight as though the test was failed.
I sent an example to [EMAIL PROTECTED] earlier today.  It looks like
maybe Declude is scoring ipnotinmx and nolegitcontent as a positive weight
instead of as a counterbalance.   


Katie LaSalle-Lowery
Centric Internet Services
1410 Reserve St.
Missoula, MT 59801
Local Phone 549-3337 ext. 21
Toll Free (888)593-2776 ext. 21
Fax (406)721-3438
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Katie
LaSalle-Lowery
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then
getting false positives on MessageSniffer

Thurs evening I upgraded our Declude installation to version 1.81 (we had
been at 1.65).  I have become aware of a number of false positives in
MessageSniffer since Friday.  We had not seen any false positives in
MessageSniffer previously.

Any thoughts or suggestions?


Katie LaSalle-Lowery
Centric Internet Services
1410 Reserve St.
Missoula, MT 59801
Local Phone 549-3337 ext. 21
Toll Free (888)593-2776 ext. 21
Fax (406)721-3438
 


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgraded Declude Thurs night -- since then getting false positives on MessageSniffer

2004-12-13 Thread Matt
Katie,
Report your false positives to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  You must include 
the full source of the E-mail for this to work appropriately.  You can 
simply copy and paste the content from a MBX or SMD file into the body 
of an E-mail and send it.  You must send the E-mail from the account 
that you have registered with Sniffer (you can ask them to change it if 
necessary), and you need to include your custom code somewhere in the 
message (I include this in an alias that I have in my address book).

It can be a bit unwieldy if you have no process set up for doing this.  
Hopefully Pete will put together a Web interface for those that don't at 
some point in the future.

Matt

Katie LaSalle-Lowery wrote:
Thurs evening I upgraded our Declude installation to version 1.81 (we had
been at 1.65).  I have become aware of a number of false positives in
MessageSniffer since Friday.  We had not seen any false positives in
MessageSniffer previously.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
Katie LaSalle-Lowery
Centric Internet Services
1410 Reserve St.
Missoula, MT 59801
Local Phone 549-3337 ext. 21
Toll Free (888)593-2776 ext. 21
Fax (406)721-3438

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