RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs

2003-12-22 Thread Kami Razvan
:)

Good idea... Actually great idea.. 

Thanks.. 

Kami 

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Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 9:54 PM
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Kami,

I'm using a trick to show %ALLRECIPS% only when a message is held.  I added
an extra weight test as the hold weight and added the WARN action as
follows:

- Global.cfg -
HIGH-RECIPSweightxx100

- $Default$.junkmail
HIGH-RECIPSWARN X-MailPure: RECIPIENTS: %ALLRECIPS%


This way they never see this in E-mail that passes through, and in the event
of a false positive, I can deliver the E-mail correctly.

Matt



Kami Razvan wrote:

Scott ..

Just wondering.. Don't you need to have the %ALLRECIPS% in the header 
before this works?

I know we deactivated it because it was defeating the purpose of BCC.. 
Since anyone looking at the header could see all the people being BCC'd.

Regards,
Kami

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I've tried using the BCC tests, and i sent some email my from an 
outside webmail server.  The tests don't even show up as failing. I'm 
using one that will trigger when there are 3, 5 and 10 BCCs and I've 
sent an email with 5 bcc's, and the tests don't show up as failing at 
all.
Is there something I'm missing since I did put the line in exactly as 
you show it.



Are you running v1.75 or later?

Are these really Bcc:'s, where the E-mail address of the recipient does 
not appear in the headers when IMail receives the E-mail?

Are the Bcc: addresses addresses on your server (it is impossible to 
detect Bcc:'s on other servers)?

-Scott
  



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs

2003-12-21 Thread EN
I've tried using the BCC tests, and i sent some email my from an outside
webmail server.  The tests don't
even show up as failing. I'm using one that will trigger when there are 3, 5
and 10 BCCs and I've sent an
email with 5 bcc's, and the tests don't show up as failing at all.
Is there something I'm missing since I did put the line in exactly as you
show it.
The other tests i've used work fine, gibberish, subject spaces, etc.

- Original Message - 
From: Nick Hayer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs


 Matt -

 Thank you much for your suggestions. I did not realize about the
 compounded scoring w/the blackholes  country test - fixed!

 I wasn't using the FiveTen tests  because I thought I read in this
 list they were not that reliable - I've added them  will monitor.

 I was using the in.dnsbl.org tests, you had them omitted - as well as
 spamdomains. Any particular reason?

 Also added the BCC test - missed that one -

 Your filters have been very effective not only in catch spam but
 getting me to make my own as well eg: got my thought process going -

 Thanks again!

 -Nick

 Date sent:  Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:23:33 -0500
 From:   Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs
 Send reply to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Nick,
 
  I noticed that you are using the blackholes and a country filter.
  FYI, this will be almost all caught by the FOREIGN test so keep in
  mind that you will be adding even more points by using the three
  together and that could result in some false positives (i.e. Russian
  originators will get 9 points instead of just three by failing three
  tests).
 
  I personally fail on 10, and my scoring is goign to be a lot different
  from yours.  I'm attaching the non-custom part of my config below.
  This config together with my filters (which the best ones are
  configured on your system) some header stuff from Kami and Message
  Sniffer are blocking minimally 98% on my system with hardly any issues
  with FP's.  It seems that you might be mostly failing on a scor of 15,
  in which case, you might want to adjust the scores of my filters up by
  50% (which requires some adjustments inside of the files as well).
  One of the issues might be the wide range of scores that you fail on.
  My system will only block about 92% if I failed at a score of 20, so I
  have only three levels set at 10, 13 and 16, and try to keep my
  scoring tight enough so that all FP's will come in below 20.  Getting
  tighter here might be beneficial, however you would really have to
  readjust a lot of things to make that work, though not by much from
  appearances.  I would also recommend moving your whitelist into a
  filter file and only subtracting 10 or less points because spammers
  will fake reverse DNS settings and you have some domains that are
  likely to be targeted there.  That way, something that is spam should
  still fail, but it will protect from FP's on several of the RBL's.
  Here's my config:
 
  LOGLEVELLOW
  HOP0
  CONSOLEOFF
  LOOSENSPAMHEADERSON
 
  DSBLip4rlist.dsbl.org*70
  ORDBip4rrelays.ordb.org*70
  SPAMCOPip4rbl.spamcop.net127.0.0.29
  0 EASYNET-DYNAip4rdynablock.easynet.nl127.0.0.2
  40 EASYNET-DNSBLip4rblackholes.easynet.nl
  127.0.0.2 50 EASYNET-PROXIESip4r
  proxies.blackholes.easynet.nl127.0.0.2 70 FIVETEN-SPAM
 ip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.240
  FIVETEN-BULKip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.4
  40 FIVETEN-MULTISTAGEip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com
  127.0.0.550 FIVETEN-SPAMSUPPORTip4r
  blackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.740 FIVETEN-MISC
  ip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.970 BLITZEDALL
   ip4ropm.blitzed.org*70 SBL
  ip4rsbl.spamhaus.org127.0.0.2500 CBL
  ip4rcbl.abuseat.org127.0.0.280 SBBL
  ip4rsbbl.they.com*40
 
  SORBS-DULip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net127.0.0.106
  0 SORBS-HTTPip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net127.0.0.26
0 SORBS-MISCip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net127.0.0.4
  60 SORBS-SOCKSip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net127.0.0.3
 60 SORBS-SPAMip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net
  127.0.0.650
 
  MAILPOLICE-BULKrhsblbulk.rhs.mailpolice.com
  127.0.0.290
  MAILPOLICE-PORNrhsblporn.rhs.mailpolice.com
  127.0.0.290
  DSNrhsbldsn.rfc-ignorant.org127.0.0.21
  0 NOABUSErhsblabuse.rfc-ignorant.org

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs

2003-12-21 Thread R. Scott Perry

I've tried using the BCC tests, and i sent some email my from an outside
webmail server.  The tests don't
even show up as failing. I'm using one that will trigger when there are 3, 5
and 10 BCCs and I've sent an
email with 5 bcc's, and the tests don't show up as failing at all.
Is there something I'm missing since I did put the line in exactly as you
show it.
Are you running v1.75 or later?

Are these really Bcc:'s, where the E-mail address of the recipient does not 
appear in the headers when IMail receives the E-mail?

Are the Bcc: addresses addresses on your server (it is impossible to detect 
Bcc:'s on other servers)?

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs

2003-12-21 Thread EN
R. Scott,
 Thanks for the reply, I did find out what's happening before you got to me
though.  Yah
the BCC emails are showing up in the headers, and yup, i am running 1.75.

again, Thanks for the reply

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 I've tried using the BCC tests, and i sent some email my from an outside
 webmail server.  The tests don't
 even show up as failing. I'm using one that will trigger when there are
3, 5
 and 10 BCCs and I've sent an
 email with 5 bcc's, and the tests don't show up as failing at all.
 Is there something I'm missing since I did put the line in exactly as you
 show it.

 Are you running v1.75 or later?

 Are these really Bcc:'s, where the E-mail address of the recipient does
not
 appear in the headers when IMail receives the E-mail?

 Are the Bcc: addresses addresses on your server (it is impossible to
detect
 Bcc:'s on other servers)?

 -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs

2003-12-21 Thread Kami Razvan
Scott ..

Just wondering.. Don't you need to have the %ALLRECIPS% in the header before
this works?

I know we deactivated it because it was defeating the purpose of BCC.. Since
anyone looking at the header could see all the people being BCC'd.

Regards,
Kami 

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I've tried using the BCC tests, and i sent some email my from an 
outside webmail server.  The tests don't even show up as failing. I'm 
using one that will trigger when there are 3, 5 and 10 BCCs and I've 
sent an email with 5 bcc's, and the tests don't show up as failing at 
all.
Is there something I'm missing since I did put the line in exactly as 
you show it.

Are you running v1.75 or later?

Are these really Bcc:'s, where the E-mail address of the recipient does not
appear in the headers when IMail receives the E-mail?

Are the Bcc: addresses addresses on your server (it is impossible to detect
Bcc:'s on other servers)?

-Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs

2003-12-21 Thread R. Scott Perry

Just wondering.. Don't you need to have the %ALLRECIPS% in the header before
this works?
No.  The headers that Declude JunkMail adds aren't looked at for the 
purposes of the Bcc: test, so it doesn't matter whether you use %ALLRECIPS% 
or not.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs

2003-12-21 Thread Matthew Bramble
Kami,

I'm using a trick to show %ALLRECIPS% only when a message is held.  I 
added an extra weight test as the hold weight and added the WARN action 
as follows:

   - Global.cfg -
   HIGH-RECIPSweightxx100
   - $Default$.junkmail
   HIGH-RECIPSWARN X-MailPure: RECIPIENTS: %ALLRECIPS%
This way they never see this in E-mail that passes through, and in the 
event of a false positive, I can deliver the E-mail correctly.

Matt



Kami Razvan wrote:

Scott ..

Just wondering.. Don't you need to have the %ALLRECIPS% in the header before
this works?
I know we deactivated it because it was defeating the purpose of BCC.. Since
anyone looking at the header could see all the people being BCC'd.
Regards,
Kami 

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs
 

I've tried using the BCC tests, and i sent some email my from an 
outside webmail server.  The tests don't even show up as failing. I'm 
using one that will trigger when there are 3, 5 and 10 BCCs and I've 
sent an email with 5 bcc's, and the tests don't show up as failing at 
all.
Is there something I'm missing since I did put the line in exactly as 
you show it.
   

Are you running v1.75 or later?

Are these really Bcc:'s, where the E-mail address of the recipient does not
appear in the headers when IMail receives the E-mail?
Are the Bcc: addresses addresses on your server (it is impossible to detect
Bcc:'s on other servers)?
   -Scott
 



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs

2003-11-12 Thread Jonathan
I'm sorry, when I said the help files .. I meant the online manual. Those 
are the files I used as a reference.

Jonathan

At 08:13 PM 11/11/2003, you wrote:

In an effort to clean up our junkmail configs, and only use valid tests, 
we cleaned out our previous tests (old services that were dead etc) and 
replaced them with the ones currently in the declude help files.  Since 
then, we've been seeing complaints of increased spam/etc.  Does anyone 
have some good configs they'd be willing to share? Good RBLs to 
use/etc.  I'd really appreciate it, it's gettin pretty bad here.
Don't go by the help files -- go by the default config files at 
http://www.declude.com/junkmail/manual.htm .  They have the tests that we 
currently recommend, which should do a very good (not perfect, though) job 
of catching spam.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs

2003-11-12 Thread Nick Hayer
Jonathan,

Here is my setup - hopefully it will help. Anyone feel free to tell 
me what I have messed up...

-Nick


#GLOBAL.CFG edited
#
#SETTINGS

CONSOLE ON
HOP 0
#HOPHIGH1
IPBYPASS127.0.0.1
LOOSENSPAMHEADERS   OFF
LOGFILE spool\dec.log
LOGLEVELMID
PREWHITELISTON
WHITELIST   AUTH 
XSENDER ON
XSPOOLNAME  ON

#HEADERS

XINHEADER   X-Country-Chain: %COUNTRYCHAIN%
XINHEADER   X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is %WEIGHT%. 
XINHEADER   X-Note: Spam tests: %TESTSFAILED%. 
XINHEADER   X-Note: Reverse DNS: %REVDNS%.
XINHEADER   X-Note: Header code: %HEADERCODE%
XINHEADER   X-Note: Queue name: %QUEUENAME%
XOUTHEADER  X-Note: Total spam weight of this e-mail is %WEIGHT%.
XOUTHEADER  X-Note: Reverse DNS %REVDNS% .

#FROMFILE
##
BADSENDERS  fromfilee:\IMail\Declude\badaddresses.txt x 5   0
KillListGen fromfilee:\IMail\Declude\Destination.txt x  10  0

#IPFILE
##
ipblacklist ipfile  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\ipfile.txt x   5  
 0   

#FILTERS
##
ADULTPHRASE filter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\adultphrase.txt   
 x   3   0 
ANTI-GIBBERISHSUB   filter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\Anti-GibberishSub.txt 
 x   -4  0
ANTI-Y!DIRECTED filter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\Anti-Y!Directed.txt   
 x   -11 0 
BODYCURSE   filter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\bodycurse.txt 
 x   3   0 
BODYSEX filter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\bodysex.txt   
 x   3   0 
COUNTRY filter  e:\imail\declude\filters\country.txt   
 x   6   0
DBL filter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\dbl.txt   
 x   0   0  
DNS_TESTS   filter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\dns_tests.txt 
 x   0   0
DYNAMIC filter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\Dynamic.txt   
 x   3   0
FOREIGN filter  e:\IMail\Declude\Filters\Foreign.txt   
 x   3   0 
GIBBERISH   filter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\Gibberish.txt 
 x   4   0
GIBBERISHSUBfilter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\GibberishSub.txt  
 x   4   0 
GMA_SENTfilter  e:\imail\declude\filters\gma.txt   
 x   0   0
MALICIOUS   filter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\viri.txt  
 x   6   0
OBFUSCATION filter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\Obfuscation.txt   
 x   7   0
REVDNSCKfilter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\revdns.txt
 x   0   0 
SUBJCURSE   filter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\subjcurse.txt 
 x   3   0 
SUBJSEX filter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\subjsex.txt   
 x   3   0 
TLD-AFRICAN filter  e:\IMail\Declude\Filters\TLD-African.txt   
 x   3   0 
TLD-ASIAN   filter  e:\IMail\Declude\Filters\TLD-Asian.txt 
 x   3   0 
TLD-CARIBBEAN   filter  e:\IMail\Declude\Filters\TLD-Caribbean.txt 
 x   3   0 
TLD-CENTRALAMERICAN filter  e:\IMail\Declude\Filters\TLD-CentralAmerican.txt   
 x   3   0 
TLD-EASTERNEUROPEAN filter  e:\IMail\Declude\Filters\TLD-EasternEuropean.txt   
 x   3   0 
TLD-MIDDLEEASTERN   filter  e:\IMail\Declude\Filters\TLD-MiddleEastern.txt 
 x   3   0 
TLD-OCEANIC filter  e:\IMail\Declude\Filters\TLD-Oceanic.txt   
 x   3   0 
TLD-SOUTHAMERICAN   filter  e:\IMail\Declude\Filters\TLD-SouthAmerican.txt 
 x   3   0 
TLD-WESTERNEUROPEAN filter  e:\IMail\Declude\Filters\TLD-WesternEuropean.txt   
 x   3   0 
TLD-TRUSTED-HELOfilter  e:\IMail\Declude\Filters\TLD-Trusted-HELO.txt  
 x   0   0 
TLD-TRUSTED-MAILFROMfilter  e:\IMail\Declude\Filters\TLD-Trusted-MAILFROM.txt  
 x   0   0 
TLD-TRUSTED-REVDNS  filter  e:\IMail\Declude\Filters\TLD-Trusted-REVDNS.txt
 x   0   0 
VIRUSBLKfilter  e:\IMail\Declude\filters\virusblk.txt  
 x   50  0
WORDFILTER  filter  

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs

2003-11-12 Thread Matthew Bramble
Nick,

I noticed that you are using the blackholes and a country filter.  FYI, 
this will be almost all caught by the FOREIGN test so keep in mind that 
you will be adding even more points by using the three together and that 
could result in some false positives (i.e. Russian originators will get 
9 points instead of just three by failing three tests).

I personally fail on 10, and my scoring is goign to be a lot different 
from yours.  I'm attaching the non-custom part of my config below.  This 
config together with my filters (which the best ones are configured on 
your system) some header stuff from Kami and Message Sniffer are 
blocking minimally 98% on my system with hardly any issues with FP's.  
It seems that you might be mostly failing on a scor of 15, in which 
case, you might want to adjust the scores of my filters up by 50% (which 
requires some adjustments inside of the files as well).  One of the 
issues might be the wide range of scores that you fail on.  My system 
will only block about 92% if I failed at a score of 20, so I have only 
three levels set at 10, 13 and 16, and try to keep my scoring tight 
enough so that all FP's will come in below 20.  Getting tighter here 
might be beneficial, however you would really have to readjust a lot of 
things to make that work, though not by much from appearances.  I would 
also recommend moving your whitelist into a filter file and only 
subtracting 10 or less points because spammers will fake reverse DNS 
settings and you have some domains that are likely to be targeted 
there.  That way, something that is spam should still fail, but it will 
protect from FP's on several of the RBL's.  Here's my config:

LOGLEVELLOW
HOP0
CONSOLEOFF
LOOSENSPAMHEADERSON
DSBLip4rlist.dsbl.org*70
ORDBip4rrelays.ordb.org*70
SPAMCOPip4rbl.spamcop.net127.0.0.290
EASYNET-DYNAip4rdynablock.easynet.nl127.0.0.240
EASYNET-DNSBLip4rblackholes.easynet.nl127.0.0.2 
50
EASYNET-PROXIESip4rproxies.blackholes.easynet.nl
127.0.0.2 70
FIVETEN-SPAMip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.2
40
FIVETEN-BULKip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.4
40
FIVETEN-MULTISTAGEip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.5
50
FIVETEN-SPAMSUPPORTip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com
127.0.0.740
FIVETEN-MISCip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.9
70
BLITZEDALLip4ropm.blitzed.org*70
SBLip4rsbl.spamhaus.org127.0.0.2500
CBLip4rcbl.abuseat.org127.0.0.280
SBBLip4rsbbl.they.com*40

SORBS-DULip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net127.0.0.1060
SORBS-HTTPip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net127.0.0.260
SORBS-MISCip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net127.0.0.460
SORBS-SOCKSip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net127.0.0.360
SORBS-SPAMip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net127.0.0.650
MAILPOLICE-BULKrhsblbulk.rhs.mailpolice.com
127.0.0.290
MAILPOLICE-PORNrhsblporn.rhs.mailpolice.com
127.0.0.290
DSNrhsbldsn.rfc-ignorant.org127.0.0.210
NOABUSErhsblabuse.rfc-ignorant.org127.0.0.4
10
NOPOSTMASTERrhsblpostmaster.rfc-ignorant.org127.0.0.3
10

BONDEDSENDERip4rquery.bondedsender.org127.0.0.10
-500

BADHEADERSbadheadersxx50
HELOBOGUShelovalidxx40
MAILFROMenvfromxx70
IPNOTINMXipnotinmxxx0-2
PERCENTpercentxx20
#REVDNSrevdnsexistsxx00
ROUTINGspamroutingxx70
SPAMHEADERSspamheadersxx50
NOLEGITCONTENTnolegitcontentxx0-1
BASE64base64xx30
COMMMENTScomments5x70
NONENGLISHnonenglishxx20
BCC-3bcc3x10
BCC-5bcc5x10
SUBSPACE-15subjectspaces15x10
SUBSPACE-25subjectspaces25x20
SUBSPACE-40subjectspaces40x30
Matt





Nick Hayer wrote:

Jonathan,

Here is my setup - hopefully it will help. Anyone feel free to tell 
me what I have messed up...

		-Nick

#GLOBAL.CFG edited
#
#SETTINGS

CONSOLE			ON
HOP			0
#HOPHIGH		1
IPBYPASS		127.0.0.1
LOOSENSPAMHEADERS	OFF
LOGFILE			spool\dec.log
LOGLEVEL		MID
PREWHITELIST		ON

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs

2003-11-12 Thread Nick Hayer
Matt - 

Thank you much for your suggestions. I did not realize about the 
compounded scoring w/the blackholes  country test - fixed!

I wasn't using the FiveTen tests  because I thought I read in this 
list they were not that reliable - I've added them  will monitor.

I was using the in.dnsbl.org tests, you had them omitted - as well as 
spamdomains. Any particular reason?
 
Also added the BCC test - missed that one -

Your filters have been very effective not only in catch spam but 
getting me to make my own as well eg: got my thought process going - 

Thanks again! 

-Nick

Date sent:  Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:23:33 -0500
From:   Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs
Send reply to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Nick,
 
 I noticed that you are using the blackholes and a country filter. 
 FYI, this will be almost all caught by the FOREIGN test so keep in
 mind that you will be adding even more points by using the three
 together and that could result in some false positives (i.e. Russian
 originators will get 9 points instead of just three by failing three
 tests).
 
 I personally fail on 10, and my scoring is goign to be a lot different
 from yours.  I'm attaching the non-custom part of my config below. 
 This config together with my filters (which the best ones are
 configured on your system) some header stuff from Kami and Message
 Sniffer are blocking minimally 98% on my system with hardly any issues
 with FP's.  It seems that you might be mostly failing on a scor of 15,
 in which case, you might want to adjust the scores of my filters up by
 50% (which requires some adjustments inside of the files as well). 
 One of the issues might be the wide range of scores that you fail on. 
 My system will only block about 92% if I failed at a score of 20, so I
 have only three levels set at 10, 13 and 16, and try to keep my
 scoring tight enough so that all FP's will come in below 20.  Getting
 tighter here might be beneficial, however you would really have to
 readjust a lot of things to make that work, though not by much from
 appearances.  I would also recommend moving your whitelist into a
 filter file and only subtracting 10 or less points because spammers
 will fake reverse DNS settings and you have some domains that are
 likely to be targeted there.  That way, something that is spam should
 still fail, but it will protect from FP's on several of the RBL's. 
 Here's my config:
 
 LOGLEVELLOW
 HOP0
 CONSOLEOFF
 LOOSENSPAMHEADERSON
 
 DSBLip4rlist.dsbl.org*70
 ORDBip4rrelays.ordb.org*70
 SPAMCOPip4rbl.spamcop.net127.0.0.29   
 0 EASYNET-DYNAip4rdynablock.easynet.nl127.0.0.2   
 40 EASYNET-DNSBLip4rblackholes.easynet.nl   
 127.0.0.2 50 EASYNET-PROXIESip4r   
 proxies.blackholes.easynet.nl127.0.0.2 70 FIVETEN-SPAM
ip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.240
 FIVETEN-BULKip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.4   
 40 FIVETEN-MULTISTAGEip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com   
 127.0.0.550 FIVETEN-SPAMSUPPORTip4r   
 blackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.740 FIVETEN-MISC   
 ip4rblackholes.five-ten-sg.com127.0.0.970 BLITZEDALL  
  ip4ropm.blitzed.org*70 SBL   
 ip4rsbl.spamhaus.org127.0.0.2500 CBL   
 ip4rcbl.abuseat.org127.0.0.280 SBBL   
 ip4rsbbl.they.com*40
 
 SORBS-DULip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net127.0.0.106   
 0 SORBS-HTTPip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net127.0.0.26 
   0 SORBS-MISCip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net127.0.0.4   
 60 SORBS-SOCKSip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net127.0.0.3
60 SORBS-SPAMip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net   
 127.0.0.650
 
 MAILPOLICE-BULKrhsblbulk.rhs.mailpolice.com
 127.0.0.290
 MAILPOLICE-PORNrhsblporn.rhs.mailpolice.com
 127.0.0.290
 DSNrhsbldsn.rfc-ignorant.org127.0.0.21   
 0 NOABUSErhsblabuse.rfc-ignorant.org127.0.0.4 
   10 NOPOSTMASTERrhsblpostmaster.rfc-ignorant.org   
 127.0.0.310
 
 BONDEDSENDERip4rquery.bondedsender.org127.0.0.10  
  -500
 
 BADHEADERSbadheadersxx50
 HELOBOGUShelovalidxx40
 MAILFROMenvfromxx70
 IPNOTINMXipnotinmxxx0-2
 PERCENTpercentxx20
 #REVDNSrevdnsexistsxx00
 ROUTINGspamroutingx

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs

2003-11-12 Thread Matthew Bramble




Resending because I think the first one got munged.

Matt

 Original Message 

  

  Subject: 
  Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs


  Date: 
  Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:10:05 -0500


  From: 
  Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]


  To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


  References: 
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Nick,

Some of the FIVETEN tests are overzealous in catching newsletters and
other legit membership stuff, but at the same time, they fill in some
holes that other RBL's don't cover. So I've added them, but score them
low, especially since they tend to FP along with some other things
which are prone like MAILPOLICE-BULK (which would still fail my
system). I also have some counterbalances in filters for stuff that I
consider legit but tends to score high or get blocked. Some admins
don't like this stuff getting through, in which case FIVETEN is less
problematic, though FIVETEN is tagging Yahoo and will list some ISP
mailservers, though the latter tends not to not have many problems
elsewhere in my config.

Those additional DNSBL tests look promising so I will give them a try.

With the BCC tests as I have them configured, hardly does a thing on my
system, though it can help with some dictionary type BCC senders. You
could also add in a test for just one BCC, but I wouldn't score that
higher than 1 since it will catch a lot of legit stuff...but it might
help more than it hurts. Take a closer look at how I score the
SUBJECTSPACES test also, that was tried as a result of something I saw
here, and it works more effectively IMO if you step it instead of just
as a single test. Other similar tests like COMMENTS though is probably
better left as a single test because if someone does improperly use
such a thing, it is likely to appear any range of times. Scott said
setting it at 5 hits works for him and I concur.

I left out my filters which is where SPAMDOMAINS is. I do use
SPAMDOMAINS and have it scored currently at 5, but I am also using it
like so:

 @aol.com  aol.com

That helps with false positives from VERP, but it limits it to just one
REVDNS check. I'm still in the process of building my list and will
share it at least privately when it is more complete.

I did also notice some of your own custom filters. Please share if you
have any good tricks up your sleeve :)

Matt




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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail Tests and Configs

2003-11-11 Thread R. Scott Perry

In an effort to clean up our junkmail configs, and only use valid tests, 
we cleaned out our previous tests (old services that were dead etc) and 
replaced them with the ones currently in the declude help files.  Since 
then, we've been seeing complaints of increased spam/etc.  Does anyone 
have some good configs they'd be willing to share? Good RBLs to 
use/etc.  I'd really appreciate it, it's gettin pretty bad here.
Don't go by the help files -- go by the default config files at 
http://www.declude.com/junkmail/manual.htm .  They have the tests that we 
currently recommend, which should do a very good (not perfect, though) job 
of catching spam.

   -Scott
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