RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

2003-12-05 Thread Kami Razvan
Dan:

We made a decision a long time ago to whitelist REVDNS of all the folks you
had listed.

We now have two REVDNS negative files.

1:  Whitelist as entered in the Global.cfg (I only hope one day Scott moves
these entries to their own files).

2:  Negative reverseDNS files that adds negative weight to the ones that are
legitimate and used by our users.

That took care of a lot of problems..

Regards,
Kami


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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

Hello, All,
Has anyone noticed in the last few days that the IP addresses of a lot of
legitimate e-mailers are showing up on SPAMCOP's blocklists?  Specifically
I've seen IP addresses for NYTIMES.COM, MICROSOFT.COM and MACROMEDIA.COM and
a few others.  Does anyone think it's possible that SPAMCOP's databases are
being gamed by Spammers by submitting lots of e-mails with legit IP
addresses and pretend that they came across as spam?  Or maybe there are
uninformed SPAMCOP users who are submitting legit e-mail to SPAMCOP as
representative of spam?  Or even that IronPort's purchase of SPAMCOP has
somehow affected the way that they do things?

Just curious.  These legit IPs showing up on SPAMCOP are really throwing
lots of False Positives in my weighting system.

Thanks,
Dan
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

2003-12-05 Thread Dan Geiser
Kami:
I've been taking a look at your configuration files every few weeks and
based on what I saw there a couple of months ago, I also started
WHITELISTing based on Reverse DNS and HELO a few months back.  So there's
probably many I'm not seeing as flagged by SPAMCOP because of the whitelist.
It just so happened that the 3 I listed had not been whitelisted.  I know
that whitelisting will fix the problems but I also know that there's is
definitely something up with SPAMCOP.

Am I correct that you can only add 100 WHITELIST entries to the GLOBAL.CFG
file?  Is that 100 each for REVDNS and HELO or 100 total?  Is there anyway
to go past that limit and/or else offload those into a separate file?

How do you do the negative Reverse DNS entries?  Is that just by using the
FILTER test?

Thanks,
Dan

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From: Kami Razvan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses


 Dan:

 We made a decision a long time ago to whitelist REVDNS of all the folks
you
 had listed.

 We now have two REVDNS negative files.

 1:  Whitelist as entered in the Global.cfg (I only hope one day Scott
moves
 these entries to their own files).

 2:  Negative reverseDNS files that adds negative weight to the ones that
are
 legitimate and used by our users.

 That took care of a lot of problems..

 Regards,
 Kami


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 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

 Hello, All,
 Has anyone noticed in the last few days that the IP addresses of a lot of
 legitimate e-mailers are showing up on SPAMCOP's blocklists?  Specifically
 I've seen IP addresses for NYTIMES.COM, MICROSOFT.COM and MACROMEDIA.COM
and
 a few others.  Does anyone think it's possible that SPAMCOP's databases
are
 being gamed by Spammers by submitting lots of e-mails with legit IP
 addresses and pretend that they came across as spam?  Or maybe there are
 uninformed SPAMCOP users who are submitting legit e-mail to SPAMCOP as
 representative of spam?  Or even that IronPort's purchase of SPAMCOP has
 somehow affected the way that they do things?

 Just curious.  These legit IPs showing up on SPAMCOP are really throwing
 lots of False Positives in my weighting system.

 Thanks,
 Dan
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

2003-12-05 Thread R. Scott Perry

Am I correct that you can only add 100 WHITELIST entries to the GLOBAL.CFG
file?  Is that 100 each for REVDNS and HELO or 100 total?  Is there anyway
to go past that limit and/or else offload those into a separate file?
Actually, it's a limit of 200.

The WHITELIST FROM entries can be offloaded to a separate file (with 
unlimited entries), using the WHITELISTFILE option.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

2003-12-05 Thread Kami Razvan
Yes...

Like a filter file:

REVDNS -20 ENDSWITH .amazon.com

I put the period before Amazon to just make sure no funky domain like
.spamamazon.com can get through.

Regards,
Kami


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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

Kami:
I've been taking a look at your configuration files every few weeks and
based on what I saw there a couple of months ago, I also started
WHITELISTing based on Reverse DNS and HELO a few months back.  So there's
probably many I'm not seeing as flagged by SPAMCOP because of the whitelist.
It just so happened that the 3 I listed had not been whitelisted.  I know
that whitelisting will fix the problems but I also know that there's is
definitely something up with SPAMCOP.

Am I correct that you can only add 100 WHITELIST entries to the GLOBAL.CFG
file?  Is that 100 each for REVDNS and HELO or 100 total?  Is there anyway
to go past that limit and/or else offload those into a separate file?

How do you do the negative Reverse DNS entries?  Is that just by using the
FILTER test?

Thanks,
Dan

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From: Kami Razvan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses


 Dan:

 We made a decision a long time ago to whitelist REVDNS of all the folks
you
 had listed.

 We now have two REVDNS negative files.

 1:  Whitelist as entered in the Global.cfg (I only hope one day Scott
moves
 these entries to their own files).

 2:  Negative reverseDNS files that adds negative weight to the ones that
are
 legitimate and used by our users.

 That took care of a lot of problems..

 Regards,
 Kami


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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser
 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 10:10 AM
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 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

 Hello, All,
 Has anyone noticed in the last few days that the IP addresses of a lot of
 legitimate e-mailers are showing up on SPAMCOP's blocklists?  Specifically
 I've seen IP addresses for NYTIMES.COM, MICROSOFT.COM and MACROMEDIA.COM
and
 a few others.  Does anyone think it's possible that SPAMCOP's databases
are
 being gamed by Spammers by submitting lots of e-mails with legit IP
 addresses and pretend that they came across as spam?  Or maybe there are
 uninformed SPAMCOP users who are submitting legit e-mail to SPAMCOP as
 representative of spam?  Or even that IronPort's purchase of SPAMCOP has
 somehow affected the way that they do things?

 Just curious.  These legit IPs showing up on SPAMCOP are really throwing
 lots of False Positives in my weighting system.

 Thanks,
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

2003-12-05 Thread Burzin Sumariwalla
Hi Dan,

I've only seen one FP from SpamCop in the last week.  I routinely see email 
sent by legitimate firms get tagged as spam, but usually
these firms are using third party mailers to send information.

Burzin

At 09:10 AM 12/5/2003, you wrote:
Hello, All,
Has anyone noticed in the last few days that the IP addresses of a lot of
legitimate e-mailers are showing up on SPAMCOP's blocklists?  Specifically
I've seen IP addresses for NYTIMES.COM, MICROSOFT.COM and MACROMEDIA.COM and
a few others.  Does anyone think it's possible that SPAMCOP's databases are
being gamed by Spammers by submitting lots of e-mails with legit IP
addresses and pretend that they came across as spam?  Or maybe there are
uninformed SPAMCOP users who are submitting legit e-mail to SPAMCOP as
representative of spam?  Or even that IronPort's purchase of SPAMCOP has
somehow affected the way that they do things?
Just curious.  These legit IPs showing up on SPAMCOP are really throwing
lots of False Positives in my weighting system.
Thanks,
Dan
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

2003-12-05 Thread Dan Geiser
Hi, Scott,
If I am using...

WHITELIST REVDNS .ebay.com

or

WHITELIST HELO .mail.yahoo.com

entries in my GLOBAL.CFG can those also be offloaded into a separate file?
Or does it just apply to WHITELIST FROM entries contained in GLOBAL.CFG?

Thanks,
Dan

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Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 10:46 AM
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 Am I correct that you can only add 100 WHITELIST entries to the
GLOBAL.CFG
 file?  Is that 100 each for REVDNS and HELO or 100 total?  Is there
anyway
 to go past that limit and/or else offload those into a separate file?

 Actually, it's a limit of 200.

 The WHITELIST FROM entries can be offloaded to a separate file (with
 unlimited entries), using the WHITELISTFILE option.

 -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

2003-12-05 Thread Markus Gufler

 Yes...
 
 Like a filter file:
 
 REVDNS -20 ENDSWITH .amazon.com
 
 I put the period before Amazon to just make sure no funky 
 domain like .spamamazon.com can get through.


Hmmpfff

I hoped already that that could be a reason for unlimited IPBYPASS
entries...  ;-)

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

2003-12-05 Thread Dan Geiser
Kami,
What is the name of the filter file that you have entries of those type in?

Thanks,
Dan

- Original Message - 
From: Kami Razvan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses


 Yes...

 Like a filter file:

 REVDNS -20 ENDSWITH .amazon.com

 I put the period before Amazon to just make sure no funky domain like
 .spamamazon.com can get through.

 Regards,
 Kami


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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser
 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 10:39 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

 Kami:
 I've been taking a look at your configuration files every few weeks and
 based on what I saw there a couple of months ago, I also started
 WHITELISTing based on Reverse DNS and HELO a few months back.  So there's
 probably many I'm not seeing as flagged by SPAMCOP because of the
whitelist.
 It just so happened that the 3 I listed had not been whitelisted.  I know
 that whitelisting will fix the problems but I also know that there's is
 definitely something up with SPAMCOP.

 Am I correct that you can only add 100 WHITELIST entries to the GLOBAL.CFG
 file?  Is that 100 each for REVDNS and HELO or 100 total?  Is there anyway
 to go past that limit and/or else offload those into a separate file?

 How do you do the negative Reverse DNS entries?  Is that just by using the
 FILTER test?

 Thanks,
 Dan

 - Original Message -
 From: Kami Razvan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 10:24 AM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses


  Dan:
 
  We made a decision a long time ago to whitelist REVDNS of all the folks
 you
  had listed.
 
  We now have two REVDNS negative files.
 
  1:  Whitelist as entered in the Global.cfg (I only hope one day Scott
 moves
  these entries to their own files).
 
  2:  Negative reverseDNS files that adds negative weight to the ones that
 are
  legitimate and used by our users.
 
  That took care of a lot of problems..
 
  Regards,
  Kami
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser
  Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 10:10 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses
 
  Hello, All,
  Has anyone noticed in the last few days that the IP addresses of a lot
of
  legitimate e-mailers are showing up on SPAMCOP's blocklists?
Specifically
  I've seen IP addresses for NYTIMES.COM, MICROSOFT.COM and MACROMEDIA.COM
 and
  a few others.  Does anyone think it's possible that SPAMCOP's databases
 are
  being gamed by Spammers by submitting lots of e-mails with legit IP
  addresses and pretend that they came across as spam?  Or maybe there are
  uninformed SPAMCOP users who are submitting legit e-mail to SPAMCOP as
  representative of spam?  Or even that IronPort's purchase of SPAMCOP has
  somehow affected the way that they do things?
 
  Just curious.  These legit IPs showing up on SPAMCOP are really throwing
  lots of False Positives in my weighting system.
 
  Thanks,
  Dan
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

2003-12-05 Thread Dan Geiser
Scott,
Do you have plans to offer offloading for WHITELIST HELO and WHITELIST
REVDNS?

Thanks,
Dan

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 Or does it just apply to WHITELIST FROM entries contained in GLOBAL.CFG?

 Only the WHITELIST FROM lines can be moved out of the global.cfg file.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

2003-12-05 Thread Hosting Support
I'm not sure if everyone has heard, but IronPort bought SpamCop.  It's
likely that they're fiddling with it.  There's an article on Slashdot from
Wednesday about it.

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/03/2016218mode=threadtid=111tid=126tid=137tid=187

Personally, After seeing so many FPs as a result of SpamCop weighting, I
stopped using it a year ago.

Darin.


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Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 10:10 AM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses


Hello, All,
Has anyone noticed in the last few days that the IP addresses of a lot of
legitimate e-mailers are showing up on SPAMCOP's blocklists?  Specifically
I've seen IP addresses for NYTIMES.COM, MICROSOFT.COM and MACROMEDIA.COM and
a few others.  Does anyone think it's possible that SPAMCOP's databases are
being gamed by Spammers by submitting lots of e-mails with legit IP
addresses and pretend that they came across as spam?  Or maybe there are
uninformed SPAMCOP users who are submitting legit e-mail to SPAMCOP as
representative of spam?  Or even that IronPort's purchase of SPAMCOP has
somehow affected the way that they do things?

Just curious.  These legit IPs showing up on SPAMCOP are really throwing
lots of False Positives in my weighting system.

Thanks,
Dan
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

2003-12-05 Thread R. Scott Perry

Do you have plans to offer offloading for WHITELIST HELO and WHITELIST
REVDNS?
Not at this time, simply because we can't envision there being a need for 
200 such entries.  :)

However, the WHITELIST limit is something that comes up frequently, so it 
is quite possible that more changes will be made to allow for more 
WHITELIST entries.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMCOP Having Legit IP Addresses

2003-12-05 Thread Kami Razvan
Dan:

FILTER-REVDNS filterC:\IMail\Declude\Filters\IMail_Filter_REVDNS.txt
x 0 0

This is our Global entry for the file.

Regards,
Kami

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Kami,
What is the name of the filter file that you have entries of those type in?

Thanks,
Dan

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 Yes...

 Like a filter file:

 REVDNS -20 ENDSWITH .amazon.com

 I put the period before Amazon to just make sure no funky domain like
 .spamamazon.com can get through.

 Regards,
 Kami


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 Kami:
 I've been taking a look at your configuration files every few weeks and
 based on what I saw there a couple of months ago, I also started
 WHITELISTing based on Reverse DNS and HELO a few months back.  So there's
 probably many I'm not seeing as flagged by SPAMCOP because of the
whitelist.
 It just so happened that the 3 I listed had not been whitelisted.  I know
 that whitelisting will fix the problems but I also know that there's is
 definitely something up with SPAMCOP.

 Am I correct that you can only add 100 WHITELIST entries to the GLOBAL.CFG
 file?  Is that 100 each for REVDNS and HELO or 100 total?  Is there anyway
 to go past that limit and/or else offload those into a separate file?

 How do you do the negative Reverse DNS entries?  Is that just by using the
 FILTER test?

 Thanks,
 Dan

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  Dan:
 
  We made a decision a long time ago to whitelist REVDNS of all the folks
 you
  had listed.
 
  We now have two REVDNS negative files.
 
  1:  Whitelist as entered in the Global.cfg (I only hope one day Scott
 moves
  these entries to their own files).
 
  2:  Negative reverseDNS files that adds negative weight to the ones that
 are
  legitimate and used by our users.
 
  That took care of a lot of problems..
 
  Regards,
  Kami
 
 
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  Hello, All,
  Has anyone noticed in the last few days that the IP addresses of a lot
of
  legitimate e-mailers are showing up on SPAMCOP's blocklists?
Specifically
  I've seen IP addresses for NYTIMES.COM, MICROSOFT.COM and MACROMEDIA.COM
 and
  a few others.  Does anyone think it's possible that SPAMCOP's databases
 are
  being gamed by Spammers by submitting lots of e-mails with legit IP
  addresses and pretend that they came across as spam?  Or maybe there are
  uninformed SPAMCOP users who are submitting legit e-mail to SPAMCOP as
  representative of spam?  Or even that IronPort's purchase of SPAMCOP has
  somehow affected the way that they do things?
 
  Just curious.  These legit IPs showing up on SPAMCOP are really throwing
  lots of False Positives in my weighting system.
 
  Thanks,
  Dan
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