Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request
Hi Bob, There are a few reasons I want/need the whitelist separate. One being that it will be easy to push a copy of the whitelist via ftp to each relevant system instead of manually or programaticly attaching to each server and editing the global.cfg. Secondly the global.cfg file is basicly static infomation aside from the whitelist, so interfacing with it programaticly seems like wasted effort to me. I don't believe Scott intended the whitelist to be used as much as it is but unfortunately the amount of legit servers needing whitelisting is enough to make the whitelist an important feature of Declude. The level of modification will just be adding and removing white and black list entries as well as word and phrase filter lines. We can do this via the web and email. Have a great day! Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Services www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 - - Original Message - From: Robert Shubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Rick, I too am planning to advance Declude administration to my users via a web application. Although I saw no reason why I couldn't programmaticaly change the global.cfg and other files. Could I ask your reasoning? Also, to what level of modification do you anticipate. The numerous options that declude allows for will make 100% remote editing quite a challange. Thanks for your input. Bob Rick Davidson wrote: Howdy Scott, Was wondering if you would consider creating a separate whitelist file for management purposes. Currently I have one customer with 4 Imail servers peered as a single domain across the country (US :-) I maintain master black lists and word filters on my workstation and use a batch file to FTP them to each server. Also, we are developing some web based management tools for Declude and would rather not have to programmaticly access the global.cfg file. Figured I would ask :-) Have a great day! Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Services www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 - --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request
That's what I did...using the address list, I give it a weight of -140, which is more than the total of ALL of my tests added together... Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles Frolick Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request I decided I will start using filter file to whitelist legitimate mailing lists from listservers that also support spammers, since they seem to be the bulk of my false positives. I am giving them all 0 weight in the list, but will give the whole test a very high negative weight. I currently only have a few examples, since I am not that aggressive yet in my weights, but I welcome any suggestions. This should allow everyone to be much more aggressive. Maybe a version of the filter test that is a whitelist wouldn't be a bad idea. The filter tests allow for more flexability than the standard whitelist, leaving in many cases less room for error. Chuck Frolick ArgoNet, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Rick, I completely agree with you. I don't like risking corruption to the global.cfg file through a ASP/CGI script error. Our idea is to turn up the weight tests and whitelist all of our customer base. The external whitelsit makes it easier to keep that update. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rick Davidson Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Hi Bob, There are a few reasons I want/need the whitelist separate. One being that it will be easy to push a copy of the whitelist via ftp to each relevant system instead of manually or programaticly attaching to each server and editing the global.cfg. Secondly the global.cfg file is basicly static infomation aside from the whitelist, so interfacing with it programaticly seems like wasted effort to me. I don't believe Scott intended the whitelist to be used as much as it is but unfortunately the amount of legit servers needing whitelisting is enough to make the whitelist an important feature of Declude. The level of modification will just be adding and removing white and black list entries as well as word and phrase filter lines. We can do this via the web and email. Have a great day! Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Services www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 - - Original Message - From: Robert Shubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Rick, I too am planning to advance Declude administration to my users via a web application. Although I saw no reason why I couldn't programmaticaly change the global.cfg and other files. Could I ask your reasoning? Also, to what level of modification do you anticipate. The numerous options that declude allows for will make 100% remote editing quite a challange. Thanks for your input. Bob Rick Davidson wrote: Howdy Scott, Was wondering if you would consider creating a separate whitelist file for management purposes. Currently I have one customer with 4 Imail servers peered as a single domain across the country (US :-) I maintain master black lists and word filters on my workstation and use a batch file to FTP them to each server. Also, we are developing some web based management tools for Declude and would rather not have to programmaticly access the global.cfg file. Figured I would ask :-) Have a great day! Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Services www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 - --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by F-Proto Virus Scanner] --- [This E-mail scanned
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request
Would you mind sharing your list? Mine, sadly enough, only has 8 rules currently, all except two are for mailing I get that are false positives. My current list is: MAILFROM 0 STARTSWITH [EMAIL PROTECTED] MAILFROM 0 CONTAINS @declude.com MAILFROM 0 CONTAINS @verisign.com MAILFROM 0 CONTAINS @verisign.net MAILFROM 0 CONTAINS @networksolutions.com MAILFROM 0 CONTAINS aarl.org MAILFROM 0 STARTSWITH bounce-ethnicjokes- BODY 0 CONTAINS Beliefnet, Inc. All rights reserved. So far the list only includes entries I have had problems in the past with, the verisign ones were whitelist entries, and I may refine them to specific mailings from them. Chuck Frolick ArgoNet, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Kaylor, Domain Mail Administrator Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request That's what I did...using the address list, I give it a weight of -140, which is more than the total of ALL of my tests added together... Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles Frolick Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request I decided I will start using filter file to whitelist legitimate mailing lists from listservers that also support spammers, since they seem to be the bulk of my false positives. I am giving them all 0 weight in the list, but will give the whole test a very high negative weight. I currently only have a few examples, since I am not that aggressive yet in my weights, but I welcome any suggestions. This should allow everyone to be much more aggressive. Maybe a version of the filter test that is a whitelist wouldn't be a bad idea. The filter tests allow for more flexability than the standard whitelist, leaving in many cases less room for error. Chuck Frolick ArgoNet, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Rick, I completely agree with you. I don't like risking corruption to the global.cfg file through a ASP/CGI script error. Our idea is to turn up the weight tests and whitelist all of our customer base. The external whitelsit makes it easier to keep that update. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rick Davidson Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Hi Bob, There are a few reasons I want/need the whitelist separate. One being that it will be easy to push a copy of the whitelist via ftp to each relevant system instead of manually or programaticly attaching to each server and editing the global.cfg. Secondly the global.cfg file is basicly static infomation aside from the whitelist, so interfacing with it programaticly seems like wasted effort to me. I don't believe Scott intended the whitelist to be used as much as it is but unfortunately the amount of legit servers needing whitelisting is enough to make the whitelist an important feature of Declude. The level of modification will just be adding and removing white and black list entries as well as word and phrase filter lines. We can do this via the web and email. Have a great day! Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Services www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 - - Original Message - From: Robert Shubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Rick, I too am planning to advance Declude administration to my users via a web application. Although I saw no reason why I couldn't programmaticaly change the global.cfg and other files. Could I ask your reasoning? Also, to what level of modification do you anticipate. The numerous options that declude allows for will make 100% remote editing quite a challange. Thanks for your input. Bob Rick Davidson wrote: Howdy Scott, Was wondering if you would consider creating a separate whitelist file for management purposes. Currently I have one customer with 4 Imail servers peered as a single domain across the country (US :-) I maintain master black lists and word filters on my workstation and use a batch file to FTP them to each server. Also, we are developing some web based management tools for Declude and would rather not have to programmaticly access the global.cfg file. Figured I would ask :-) Have a great day! Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Services www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 - --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request
What does networksolutions and verisign fail that you whitelist them? Darrell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Frolick Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 12:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Would you mind sharing your list? Mine, sadly enough, only has 8 rules currently, all except two are for mailing I get that are false positives. My current list is: MAILFROM 0 STARTSWITH [EMAIL PROTECTED] MAILFROM 0 CONTAINS @declude.com MAILFROM 0 CONTAINS @verisign.com MAILFROM 0 CONTAINS @verisign.net MAILFROM 0 CONTAINS @networksolutions.com MAILFROM 0 CONTAINS aarl.org MAILFROM 0 STARTSWITH bounce-ethnicjokes- BODY 0 CONTAINS Beliefnet, Inc. All rights reserved. So far the list only includes entries I have had problems in the past with, the verisign ones were whitelist entries, and I may refine them to specific mailings from them. Chuck Frolick ArgoNet, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Kaylor, Domain Mail Administrator Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request That's what I did...using the address list, I give it a weight of -140, which is more than the total of ALL of my tests added together... Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles Frolick Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request I decided I will start using filter file to whitelist legitimate mailing lists from listservers that also support spammers, since they seem to be the bulk of my false positives. I am giving them all 0 weight in the list, but will give the whole test a very high negative weight. I currently only have a few examples, since I am not that aggressive yet in my weights, but I welcome any suggestions. This should allow everyone to be much more aggressive. Maybe a version of the filter test that is a whitelist wouldn't be a bad idea. The filter tests allow for more flexability than the standard whitelist, leaving in many cases less room for error. Chuck Frolick ArgoNet, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Rick, I completely agree with you. I don't like risking corruption to the global.cfg file through a ASP/CGI script error. Our idea is to turn up the weight tests and whitelist all of our customer base. The external whitelsit makes it easier to keep that update. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rick Davidson Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Hi Bob, There are a few reasons I want/need the whitelist separate. One being that it will be easy to push a copy of the whitelist via ftp to each relevant system instead of manually or programaticly attaching to each server and editing the global.cfg. Secondly the global.cfg file is basicly static infomation aside from the whitelist, so interfacing with it programaticly seems like wasted effort to me. I don't believe Scott intended the whitelist to be used as much as it is but unfortunately the amount of legit servers needing whitelisting is enough to make the whitelist an important feature of Declude. The level of modification will just be adding and removing white and black list entries as well as word and phrase filter lines. We can do this via the web and email. Have a great day! Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Services www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 - - Original Message - From: Robert Shubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Rick, I too am planning to advance Declude administration to my users via a web application. Although I saw no reason why I couldn't programmaticaly change the global.cfg and other files. Could I ask your reasoning? Also, to what level of modification do you anticipate. The numerous options that declude allows for will make 100% remote editing quite a challange. Thanks for your input. Bob Rick Davidson wrote: Howdy Scott, Was wondering if you would consider creating a separate whitelist file for management purposes. Currently I have one customer with 4 Imail servers peered as a single domain across the country (US :-) I maintain master black lists and word filters on my workstation and use a batch file to FTP them to each server. Also, we are developing some web based management tools for Declude and would rather not have to programmaticly access
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request
I use the RFC-Ignorant tests at a low weight of 3, but they fail them all. I have also had them fail BADHEADERS and SPAMHEADERS in the past. After missing a couple of important notifications from them (renewing my SSL certificate, had to reapply), I whitelisted them. Chuck Frolick ArgoNet, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Darrell L. Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request What does networksolutions and verisign fail that you whitelist them? Darrell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Frolick Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 12:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Would you mind sharing your list? Mine, sadly enough, only has 8 rules currently, all except two are for mailing I get that are false positives. My current list is: MAILFROM 0 STARTSWITH [EMAIL PROTECTED] MAILFROM 0 CONTAINS @declude.com MAILFROM 0 CONTAINS @verisign.com MAILFROM 0 CONTAINS @verisign.net MAILFROM 0 CONTAINS @networksolutions.com MAILFROM 0 CONTAINS aarl.org MAILFROM 0 STARTSWITH bounce-ethnicjokes- BODY 0 CONTAINS Beliefnet, Inc. All rights reserved. So far the list only includes entries I have had problems in the past with, the verisign ones were whitelist entries, and I may refine them to specific mailings from them. Chuck Frolick ArgoNet, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Kaylor, Domain Mail Administrator Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request That's what I did...using the address list, I give it a weight of -140, which is more than the total of ALL of my tests added together... Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles Frolick Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request I decided I will start using filter file to whitelist legitimate mailing lists from listservers that also support spammers, since they seem to be the bulk of my false positives. I am giving them all 0 weight in the list, but will give the whole test a very high negative weight. I currently only have a few examples, since I am not that aggressive yet in my weights, but I welcome any suggestions. This should allow everyone to be much more aggressive. Maybe a version of the filter test that is a whitelist wouldn't be a bad idea. The filter tests allow for more flexability than the standard whitelist, leaving in many cases less room for error. Chuck Frolick ArgoNet, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Rick, I completely agree with you. I don't like risking corruption to the global.cfg file through a ASP/CGI script error. Our idea is to turn up the weight tests and whitelist all of our customer base. The external whitelsit makes it easier to keep that update. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rick Davidson Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Hi Bob, There are a few reasons I want/need the whitelist separate. One being that it will be easy to push a copy of the whitelist via ftp to each relevant system instead of manually or programaticly attaching to each server and editing the global.cfg. Secondly the global.cfg file is basicly static infomation aside from the whitelist, so interfacing with it programaticly seems like wasted effort to me. I don't believe Scott intended the whitelist to be used as much as it is but unfortunately the amount of legit servers needing whitelisting is enough to make the whitelist an important feature of Declude. The level of modification will just be adding and removing white and black list entries as well as word and phrase filter lines. We can do this via the web and email. Have a great day! Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Services www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 - - Original Message - From: Robert Shubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Rick, I too am planning to advance Declude administration to my users via a web application. Although I saw no reason why I couldn't programmaticaly change the global.cfg and other files. Could I ask your reasoning? Also, to what level of modification do you anticipate. The numerous options that declude allows for will make 100% remote editing quite a challange. Thanks for your
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request
Was wondering if you would consider creating a separate whitelist file for management purposes. This is actually something that we are working on and plan to add. :) -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request
We would carry you around on our shoulders and cheer if you were here :-) Have a great day! Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Services www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 - - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request Was wondering if you would consider creating a separate whitelist file for management purposes. This is actually something that we are working on and plan to add. :) -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Request
Rick, I too am planning to advance Declude administration to my users via a web application. Although I saw no reason why I couldn't programmaticaly change the global.cfg and other files. Could I ask your reasoning? Also, to what level of modification do you anticipate. The numerous options that declude allows for will make 100% remote editing quite a challange. Thanks for your input. Bob Rick Davidson wrote: Howdy Scott, Was wondering if you would consider creating a separate whitelist file for management purposes. Currently I have one customer with 4 Imail servers peered as a single domain across the country (US :-) I maintain master black lists and word filters on my workstation and use a batch file to FTP them to each server. Also, we are developing some web based management tools for Declude and would rather not have to programmaticly access the global.cfg file. Figured I would ask :-) Have a great day! Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Services www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 - --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
