RE: [Declude.Virus] DELETEVIRUSES Not working.

2004-10-20 Thread Tim Collins \(Home\)
So why put them in the virus folder?
There is no way (that I know of) to requeue these messages?  ... Or fix
the vulnerability... True?
What is Horizon's best practices theory on how to deal with messages
that land in the virus folder?

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It seems that DELETEVIRUSES ON isn't working in Declude Virus 1.81

I have it set to:

DELETEVIRUSES   ON

In my virus.cfg but they're staying in my E:\IMail\spool\virus folder.

That is by design. Viruses are getting deleted, other E-mails 
(vulnerabilities and banned file extensions) are not, as they usually do

not contain viruses or other dangerous code.


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RE: [Declude.Virus] DELETEVIRUSES Not working.

2004-10-20 Thread R. Scott Perry

So why put them in the virus folder?
There is no way (that I know of) to requeue these messages?
Requeueing them is easy; copy the D*.SMD file and matching Q*.SMD file from 
the \IMail\spool\virus directory to the \IMail\spool directory.

 ... Or fix the vulnerability...
You probably could do that, but the effort involved would likely outweigh 
the benefits.

What is Horizon's best practices theory on how to deal with messages
that land in the virus folder?
It's kind of like having a best practices on dealing with spam -- there 
isn't a one size fits all approach.

Just as some organizations are fine deleting all viruses and 
vulnerabilities, others need to archive them just to be safe.

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RE: [Declude.Virus] DELETEVIRUSES Not working.

2004-10-20 Thread John Carter
Is there any chance of getting a DELETEVULNERABILITIES or a separate
directory for them?

John

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Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] DELETEVIRUSES Not working.


It seems that DELETEVIRUSES ON isn't working in Declude Virus 1.81

I have it set to:

DELETEVIRUSES   ON

In my virus.cfg but they're staying in my E:\IMail\spool\virus folder.

That is by design. Viruses are getting deleted, other E-mails 
(vulnerabilities and banned file extensions) are not, as they usually do 
not contain viruses or other dangerous code.


-Scott
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Re: [Declude.Virus] DELETEVIRUSES Not working.

2004-10-20 Thread Nick
On 19 Oct 2004 at 19:29, R. Scott Perry wrote:

Can 'by design'  mean a switch be addeded to allow deletion?  I would 
like to be able to make that decision - not declude.
Thanks

-Nick


It seems that DELETEVIRUSES ON isn't working in Declude Virus
1.81

I have it set to:

DELETEVIRUSES   ON

In my virus.cfg but they're staying in my E:\IMail\spool\virus
folder.

That is by design. Viruses are getting deleted, other E-mails 
(vulnerabilities and banned file extensions) are not, as they usually
do not contain viruses or other dangerous code.


   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.Virus] DELETEVIRUSES Not working.

2004-10-20 Thread Darin Cox
If you're looking for what others have done as well... we delete viruses,
for banned files notify the recipient with a link in the notification to a
web script that will requeue the file if they want to receive it, and review
vulnerabilities, deleting or requeueing as needed.

Darin.


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From: Tim Collins (Home) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 6:57 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] DELETEVIRUSES Not working.


So why put them in the virus folder?
There is no way (that I know of) to requeue these messages?  ... Or fix
the vulnerability... True?
What is Horizon's best practices theory on how to deal with messages
that land in the virus folder?

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Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] DELETEVIRUSES Not working.



It seems that DELETEVIRUSES ON isn't working in Declude Virus 1.81

I have it set to:

DELETEVIRUSES   ON

In my virus.cfg but they're staying in my E:\IMail\spool\virus folder.

That is by design. Viruses are getting deleted, other E-mails
(vulnerabilities and banned file extensions) are not, as they usually do

not contain viruses or other dangerous code.


-Scott
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[Declude.Virus] Banned ZIP with .exe extension

2004-10-20 Thread Chris Patterson
I am having files blocked since upgrading to 8.1 with this log:

Q59b21fa60030b5ea Banning .ZIP file with EXE extension.


Is this a self-extracting Zip or zipped .exe? This was a firmware
upgrade from Linksys.

Thanks,
 
Chris Patterson, CCNA
Network Engineer


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Re: [Declude.Virus] Banned ZIP with .exe extension

2004-10-20 Thread Rick Davidson
Its likely a self extracting zip archive, winzip allows you to create exe 
zip archives

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From: Chris Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [Declude.Virus] Banned ZIP with .exe extension

I am having files blocked since upgrading to 8.1 with this log:
Q59b21fa60030b5ea Banning .ZIP file with EXE extension.
Is this a self-extracting Zip or zipped .exe? This was a firmware
upgrade from Linksys.
Thanks,
Chris Patterson, CCNA
Network Engineer
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RE: [Declude.Virus] DELETEVIRUSES Not working.

2004-10-20 Thread Brad Morgan
 
 Can 'by design'  mean a switch be addeded to allow deletion?  I would 
 like to be able to make that decision - not declude.
 Thanks
 
 -Nick
 
 
 It seems that DELETEVIRUSES ON isn't working in Declude Virus
 1.81
 
 I have it set to:
 
 DELETEVIRUSES   ON
 
 In my virus.cfg but they're staying in my E:\IMail\spool\virus
 folder.
 
 That is by design. Viruses are getting deleted, other E-mails 
 (vulnerabilities and banned file extensions) are not, as they usually
 do not contain viruses or other dangerous code.
 

I use a Perl script to delete all the vulnerabilities and keep only
one copy of each virus.  I run it manually because once in a blue moon
there's a vulnerability that's not spam.  I've created separate .eml
files for vulnerabilities and viruses (and banned extensions) so I
can sort through them easily.

Having a quarantined copy of each virus allows me to test changes or
additions to my configuration.

I think there's enough variations on what people want to do with these
files that Scott can't program enough switches to satisfy everyone.

Scheduling a batch job isn't that difficult and there's plenty of
examples here if you don't want to write your own.

Regards,

Brad
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RE: [Declude.Virus] Banned ZIP with .exe extension

2004-10-20 Thread Chris Patterson
Does anyone know if there is a way to allow these through and still
block .exe's?

Thanks,
 
Chris Patterson, CCNA
Network Engineer
Rapid Systems



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Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Banned ZIP with .exe extension

Its likely a self extracting zip archive, winzip allows you to create
exe 
zip archives

Rick Davidson
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Subject: [Declude.Virus] Banned ZIP with .exe extension


I am having files blocked since upgrading to 8.1 with this log:

Q59b21fa60030b5ea Banning .ZIP file with EXE extension.


Is this a self-extracting Zip or zipped .exe? This was a firmware
upgrade from Linksys.

Thanks,

Chris Patterson, CCNA
Network Engineer


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Re: [Declude.Virus] Banned ZIP with .exe extension

2004-10-20 Thread R. Scott Perry

I am having files blocked since upgrading to 8.1 with this log:
Q59b21fa60030b5ea Banning .ZIP file with EXE extension.
Is this a self-extracting Zip or zipped .exe? This was a firmware
upgrade from Linksys.
That's a .ZIP file with an .EXE file in it.  If you use BANZIPEXTS ON 
(which says to ban all .ZIP files that contain any files with extensions 
that you ban) and BANEXT EXE (which bans .EXE files), you'll get the above 
message if an E-mail comes in with an .EXE file within a .ZIP file.

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.Virus] New ZIP exploit confuses some AV products

2004-10-20 Thread Greg Little




Some (Most?) of the AV vendors have patches already. Looks like it was
quietly announce to the AV vendors about 2 to 3 weeks ago.

This mostly impacts e-mail scanning. It's worth the effort to check, if
you have one of these vendors. (Some require upgraded software).
This vulnerability affects multiple anti-virus
vendors including McAfee, Computer Associates, Kaspersky, Sophos,
Eset and RAV.

For McAfee you just need the week old 4398 DATs.
It is not in the wild yet, but does not look hard to do. (So while we
have some time, ...)

The problem specifically exists in the parsing
of .zip archive headers.
The .zip file format stores information about compressed files in two
locations - a local header and a global header. The local header exists
just before the compressed data of each file, and the global header
exists at the end of the .zip archive. It is possible to modify the
uncompressed size of archived files in both the local and global header
without affecting functionality. This has been confirmed with both
WinZip and Microsoft Compressed Folders. An attacker can compress a
malicious payload and evade detection by some anti-virus software by
modifying the uncompressed size within the local and global headers
to
zero.


Scott,
Since, this is a deliberately corrupt ZIP header can you add an exploit
check?

Greg


Tito Macapinlac wrote:

  Hi,

Here is a bulletin re: new vulnerability regarding zip files.  Maybe another good
reason to ban zip files if your AV is vulnerable.

http://www.idefense.com/application/poi/display?id=153type=vulnerabilitiesflashstatus=true


Tito

  





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Re: [Declude.Virus] Banned ZIP with .exe extension

2004-10-20 Thread Matt




"Another" good reason? IMO, that's overstepping a bit. There's no way
that I could block zip files for my clients and maintain their
business. The bulletin also indicated that AV vendors had either
already updated their products or would do so soon. Declude also has
some protections for zip files with malformed headers that might detect
this exploit.

Matt


Tito Macapinlac wrote:

  Hi,

Here is a bulletin re: new vulnerability regarding zip files.  Maybe another good
reason to ban zip files if your AV is vulnerable.

http://www.idefense.com/application/poi/display?id=153type=vulnerabilitiesflashstatus=true


Tito


  
  
Wednesday, October 20, 2004, 8:48:28 AM, you wrote:

  
  

  
  

  I am having files blocked since upgrading to 8.1 with this log:

Q59b21fa60030b5ea Banning .ZIP file with EXE extension.


Is this a self-extracting Zip or zipped .exe? This was a firmware
upgrade from Linksys.
  

  
  
  
  
That's a .ZIP file with an .EXE file in it.  If you use BANZIPEXTS ON
(which says to ban all .ZIP files that contain any files with extensions
that you ban) and BANEXT EXE (which bans .EXE files), you'll get the above
message if an E-mail comes in with an .EXE file within a .ZIP file.

  
  
  
  
-Scott
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