Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-03 Thread Steve Peacocke
Yep. Got the HTML JavaScript. Need more CSS knowledge. RoR still a serious consideration but what about even 3rd party web VCL packs like TMS. Movie about to start. X-Men, guess there's geek still in me somewhere. Steve On 3/06/2011, at 5:48 PM, Alister Christie alis...@salespartner.co.nz

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-03 Thread Berend de Boer
Jolyon == Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz writes: Jolyon but in the end got fed up with wrestling with HTML and CSS Jolyon - working with those technologies is like stepping back in Jolyon time in terms to tools and debugging etc, Really I would say that the available tools

[DUG] FW: Web development

2011-06-03 Thread Stefan Mueller
I guess Jolon is still using MSIE, right? .. The developer tools that are built into Google Chrome browser for example are quite good for debugging HTML/CSS(and even JavaScript). Just right click on the elements whose markup you want to see and say inspect and it will show you all the code and css

Re: [DUG] FW: Web development

2011-06-03 Thread Colin Fraser
We have moved some of our stuff to Java, and are quite happy so far. In terms of rapid development (in the Java world), there are things like Spring Roo and Seam Forge, the latter being the newest and least documented... I have had a little look, but nothing serious so can't really comment that

Re: [DUG] FW: Web development

2011-06-03 Thread Jolyon Smith
No, I use Chrome+ (not Google Chrome, but the proper one). The tools I was referring to were the design and coding tools which are like going back 20 years in terms of development practices, cos the only way to know if your code works is to run it, and if it doesn't work you can't step thru your

Re: [DUG] FW: Web development

2011-06-03 Thread Berend de Boer
Jolyon == Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz writes: Jolyon Inspect Element is good for seeing what HTML you or your Jolyon framework has spat out, but it doesn't help you spit out Jolyon the right HTML in the first place. I think you're probably using tools like: print phello/p;

Re: [DUG] FW: Web development

2011-06-03 Thread John Bird
I am an outside observer of Web development as I don't personally do it either, but interested to find the best practice tools to pick up, as its such a promising area for the future. I guess like a lot of Delphi programmers, if we are going to pick up web development (and seems to be the

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-03 Thread John C
Can anybody tell how good 'Delphi For PHP' is? John -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi- boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 4:35 p.m. To: List NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi Subject: [DUG] Web