Re: [DUG]: Them screen/component sizing blues...
As mentioned by Peter Hyde this is a function of large/small fonts. Its actually the pixels per inch property of the screen driver - not the card itself. Just out of interest, one of the Borland guys said in the early days of D1 that if you toggle between two ppi sizes, yopur components will slowly migrate to top-left. :-) For development, we therefore insist that every machine has the same video card and driver. On 26 Mar 99 at 16:34, Simon Mahony wrote: > Hi team. > We're developing our new software on 20 inch monitors (mmm...nice) running > in 1024 x 768 resolution, high color (15-bit according to the screen driver > software - strange, huh). The software is expected to run on smaller > monitors (15-17 inch) so we decided to build it for 800 x 600 resolution. > However, we discovered (again) that all 800 x 600 screens are not created > equal. Normally we get around this (for internal apps) by making the users > use the same screen configuration as the development team. However we are > building this app for external use, and I guess it's time we found out what > the heck is going on. > > Example : > I wrote the first few screens for this application at home over the weekend > on my Phillips "Brilliance" 15 inch, 800 x 600 screen. When I installed it > at work on Monday the form was still 800 x 600 in size (and therefore > sitting in the middle of the screen), but all the components appeared to > have shrunk. They still looked ok (with everything in the right place > relative to each other) but they were huddled together in the top, left > corner of the form. When run on my big monitor (a Phillips 20 inch 20/B, > 1024 x 768) it looked silly (as if we were scared to use all the form real > estate in case another idea came along). But on my co-workers big monitor > (another Phillips 20 inch, but this one is a 200/B, whatever that means), > running the same resolution (1024 x 768), it looks just the way I designed > it at home (ie: fine). Conversely, when I resize everything to fit on my > monitor at work, the reverse happens. My co-worker sees huge components > which are too big for the form holding them. > > What gives here ? We first noticed this problem with screen resolutions in > Delphi 1, and it's still with us. > > Now I'm not concerned about resizing components to fit within a form which > is made bigger or smaller on the fly. If our users are running in 800 x 600 > mode there will be no need to change the form size at runtime. > > What concerns me is that I set a control.height to 25 pixels on my 800 x 600 > screen at home, and when I put it on my 1024 x 768 screen at work it had > shrunk to 21 pixels (according to the object inspector). Am I nuts ? Is > Borland/Inprise nuts ? Is this a Windows problem that will only be solved > when little Melinda Gates takes over the company from daddy ? Or is there > some kind of rationale behind this crazyness ? > > Cheers, > Simon Mahony, > System Creator, > MetService. > > --- > New Zealand Delphi Users group - Delphi List - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Website: http://www.delphi.org.nz > Rohit == CFL - Computer Fanatics Ltd. 21 Barry's Point Road, AKL, New Zealand PH(649) 489-2280 FX(649) 489-2290 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] == --- New Zealand Delphi Users group - Delphi List - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.delphi.org.nz
RE: [DUG]: Them screen/component sizing blues...
> Hi team. > We're developing our new software on 20 inch monitors > (mmm...nice) running in 1024 x 768 resolution, high color (15-bit according to the > screen driver software - strange, huh). Well if you don't want the hassle of 20" VDU's I am very happy to take them off your hands . 15-bits is not too strange - 5 bits for each of the RGB channels and a bit left over - usual for transparency. > Now I'm not concerned about resizing components to fit within > a form which is made bigger or smaller on the fly. If our users are > running in 800 x 600 mode there will be no need to change the form size at runtime. Check the Delphi Super Page - I have seen components that automatically handle difference screen sizes (and font sizing). > What concerns me is that I set a control.height to 25 pixels > on my 800 x 600 screen at home, and when I put it on my 1024 x 768 screen at > work it had shrunk to 21 pixels (according to the object inspector). Am I > nuts ? Is Borland/Inprise nuts ? Is this a Windows problem that will > only be solved when little Melinda Gates takes over the company from daddy ? > Or is there some kind of rationale behind this crazyness ? Windows (since 3.0 at least) sets control sizes on the basis of font size (I have never worked out why). If your users run large fonts or small fonts then all your controls resize out of alignment (yukkky). Luckly most users running large fonts have worked out that about every app they use looks ugly, so 90% or users have the default font size on. The real skill of course is to have a nice UI that scales well - Borland, MS etc still fustrate me by continuing to use fixed size dialogs & list boxes in places. Nothing worse than looking at a long directory listing of long file names in a fixed dialog that looks like it was set up to view 8 char file names. --- New Zealand Delphi Users group - Delphi List - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.delphi.org.nz
Re: [DUG]: Them screen/component sizing blues...
Simon wrote: > weekend on my Phillips "Brilliance" 15 inch, 800 x 600 screen. When I > installed it at work on Monday the form was still 800 x 600 in size (and > therefore sitting in the middle of the screen), but all the components > appeared to have shrunk. They still looked ok (with everything in the You're not using Large Fonts on one or other of these machines, and Small on the others are you? It may have a bearing... cheers, peter Peter Hyde, SPIS Ltd, Christchurch, New Zealand * TurboNote: http://TurboPress.com/tbnote.htm -- small, FREE and very handy * Print-to-Web automation http://TurboPress.com * Web design, automation and hosting specialists Find all the above and MORE at http://www.spis.co.nz --- New Zealand Delphi Users group - Delphi List - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.delphi.org.nz
[DUG]: Them screen/component sizing blues...
Hi team. We're developing our new software on 20 inch monitors (mmm...nice) running in 1024 x 768 resolution, high color (15-bit according to the screen driver software - strange, huh). The software is expected to run on smaller monitors (15-17 inch) so we decided to build it for 800 x 600 resolution. However, we discovered (again) that all 800 x 600 screens are not created equal. Normally we get around this (for internal apps) by making the users use the same screen configuration as the development team. However we are building this app for external use, and I guess it's time we found out what the heck is going on. Example : I wrote the first few screens for this application at home over the weekend on my Phillips "Brilliance" 15 inch, 800 x 600 screen. When I installed it at work on Monday the form was still 800 x 600 in size (and therefore sitting in the middle of the screen), but all the components appeared to have shrunk. They still looked ok (with everything in the right place relative to each other) but they were huddled together in the top, left corner of the form. When run on my big monitor (a Phillips 20 inch 20/B, 1024 x 768) it looked silly (as if we were scared to use all the form real estate in case another idea came along). But on my co-workers big monitor (another Phillips 20 inch, but this one is a 200/B, whatever that means), running the same resolution (1024 x 768), it looks just the way I designed it at home (ie: fine). Conversely, when I resize everything to fit on my monitor at work, the reverse happens. My co-worker sees huge components which are too big for the form holding them. What gives here ? We first noticed this problem with screen resolutions in Delphi 1, and it's still with us. Now I'm not concerned about resizing components to fit within a form which is made bigger or smaller on the fly. If our users are running in 800 x 600 mode there will be no need to change the form size at runtime. What concerns me is that I set a control.height to 25 pixels on my 800 x 600 screen at home, and when I put it on my 1024 x 768 screen at work it had shrunk to 21 pixels (according to the object inspector). Am I nuts ? Is Borland/Inprise nuts ? Is this a Windows problem that will only be solved when little Melinda Gates takes over the company from daddy ? Or is there some kind of rationale behind this crazyness ? Cheers, Simon Mahony, System Creator, MetService. --- New Zealand Delphi Users group - Delphi List - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.delphi.org.nz
