Re: [DUG] Web development

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Re: [DUG] Web development - PHP or not PHP?

2011-06-06 Thread Stefan Mueller
: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Neven MacEwan Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 12:22 PM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Web development - PHP or not PHP? Rohit I don't subscribe to your view re rubbish programmers, slowness

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-06 Thread Stefan Mueller
7:22 AM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Web development Hi Stefan, I havent implemented error logs yet.. But Google Analytics is telling me strange things. Either you encountered a bug or you tried to break it ? Which :-) I am interested in knowing what

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-06 Thread Gary T. Benner
? Regards, Stefan From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Rohit Gupta Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 7:22 AM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Web development Hi Stefan, I havent implemented error logs yet.. But Google

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-06 Thread Sean Cross
I am surprised no-one has mentioned Python + a framework such as Django. When I switched to web dev, Python/Django and C#/asp.net mvc were the 2 finalists. I went with C# simply due to the ease of getting developers. Don't use Delphi, it's entirely the wrong tool. Sean

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-06 Thread John Bird
07, 2011 9:35 AM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Web development I am surprised no-one has mentioned Python + a framework such as Django. When I switched to web dev, Python/Django and C#/asp.net mvc were the 2 finalists. I went with C# simply due to the ease

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-06 Thread Stephen Barker
- From: John Bird [mailto:johnkb...@paradise.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2011 10:00 a.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Web development http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_application_frameworks good overview - covers 1.1 Perl 1.2 PHP 1.3

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-05 Thread Paul A Norman
, June 05, 2011 2:07 PM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Web development I dont find PHP slow at all. On 5/06/2011 2:20 p.m., Steve Peacocke wrote: Paul. A very informative reply thanks. Gary also suggested PHP but I have always discounted it as slow

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-05 Thread Neven MacEwan
for other much more important reasons - speed isn't the issue. Stefan *From:*delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Rohit Gupta *Sent:* Sunday, June 05, 2011 2:07 PM *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Web

Re: [DUG] Web development - PHP or not PHP?

2011-06-05 Thread John C
-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Rohit Gupta Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2011 5:05 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Web development I have been using PHP because I did not want the server to be tied to MS. Its also very popular

Re: [DUG] Web development - PHP or not PHP?

2011-06-05 Thread Neven MacEwan
...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Rohit Gupta *Sent:* Sunday, 5 June 2011 5:05 p.m. *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Web development I have been using PHP because I did not want the server to be tied to MS. Its also very popular. I

Re: [DUG] Web development - PHP or not PHP?

2011-06-05 Thread Rohit Gupta
4 PHP a couple of years ago, but never got to it (should I?). John C *From:*delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Rohit Gupta *Sent:* Sunday, 5 June 2011 5:05 p.m. *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Web development

Re: [DUG] Web development - PHP or not PHP?

2011-06-05 Thread Rohit Gupta
...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Rohit Gupta *Sent:* Sunday, 5 June 2011 5:05 p.m. *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Web development I have been using PHP because I did not want the server to be tied to MS. Its also very popular. I

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-05 Thread Rohit Gupta
...@delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Rohit Gupta *Sent:* Sunday, June 05, 2011 2:07 PM *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Web development I dont find PHP slow at all. On 5/06/2011 2:20 p.m., Steve Peacocke wrote: Paul. A very informative reply thanks. Gary also

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-05 Thread Paul A Norman
Subject: Re: [DUG] Web development I dont find PHP slow at all. On 5/06/2011 2:20 p.m., Steve Peacocke wrote: Paul. A very informative reply thanks. Gary also suggested PHP but I have always discounted it as slow and cumbersome. However reading through some of the blurb suggests

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-05 Thread Neven MacEwan
[mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Rohit Gupta Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 2:07 PM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Web development I dont find PHP slow at all. On 5/06/2011 2:20 p.m., Steve Peacocke wrote: Paul. A very informative reply thanks. Gary

Re: [DUG] Web development - PHP or not PHP?

2011-06-05 Thread Neven MacEwan
[mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Rohit Gupta *Sent:* Sunday, 5 June 2011 5:05 p.m. *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Web development I have been using PHP because I did not want the server to be tied to MS. Its also very popular. I started off

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-04 Thread Paul A Norman
Hi Steve, Approaching it from the delphi/pascal orientation first...(not meaning pascal server side--and that is possible as well) ... You'd find much in Delphi for Php that is very familiar. It is built on top of an opensource framework VCL for PHP, and you'd probably appreciate E's familiar

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-04 Thread Steve Peacocke
Paul. A very informative reply thanks. Gary also suggested PHP but I have always discounted it as slow and cumbersome. However reading through some of the blurb suggests that it may gave come a long way in recent years. I'm very familiar with HTML and somewhat familiar with small JavaScript

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-04 Thread Todd
Hi Steve Have a look at the Symfony framework. It takes a little while to get familiar with, but worth the trouble. It certainly helps you concentrate on PHP business logic rather than HTML,CSS and javascript. Cheers, Todd. Paul. A very informative reply thanks. Gary also suggested PHP but I

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-04 Thread Alister Christie
You could of course try Delphi Prism, if you want to be able to do asp stuff, but in a language similar to Delphi (the Prism syntax is a little different). It would save you having to learn C#. REM Objects seem to be doing lots of other cool stuff with the language (a pascal compiler for

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-04 Thread Paul A Norman
Hope it helps, On 5 June 2011 14:20, Steve Peacocke st...@peacocke.net wrote: Paul. A very informative reply thanks. Gary also suggested PHP but I have always discounted it as slow and cumbersome. However reading through some of the blurb suggests that it may gave come a long way in recent

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-04 Thread Rohit Gupta
I have been using PHP because I did not want the server to be tied to MS. Its also very popular. I started off with Delphi for PHP. But the investment in learning it was wasted. The only thing I use it for is for debugging now. There is no vcl in sight. Had t learn PHP, javascript, HTML

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-04 Thread Rohit Gupta
I dont find PHP slow at all. On 5/06/2011 2:20 p.m., Steve Peacocke wrote: Paul. A very informative reply thanks. Gary also suggested PHP but I have always discounted it as slow and cumbersome. However reading through some of the blurb suggests that it may gave come a long way in recent

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-04 Thread Stefan Mueller
:07 PM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Web development I dont find PHP slow at all. On 5/06/2011 2:20 p.m., Steve Peacocke wrote: Paul. A very informative reply thanks. Gary also suggested PHP but I have always discounted it as slow and cumbersome. However

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-03 Thread Steve Peacocke
Yep. Got the HTML JavaScript. Need more CSS knowledge. RoR still a serious consideration but what about even 3rd party web VCL packs like TMS. Movie about to start. X-Men, guess there's geek still in me somewhere. Steve On 3/06/2011, at 5:48 PM, Alister Christie alis...@salespartner.co.nz

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-03 Thread Berend de Boer
Jolyon == Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz writes: Jolyon but in the end got fed up with wrestling with HTML and CSS Jolyon - working with those technologies is like stepping back in Jolyon time in terms to tools and debugging etc, Really I would say that the available tools

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-03 Thread John C
Can anybody tell how good 'Delphi For PHP' is? John -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi- boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 4:35 p.m. To: List NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi Subject: [DUG] Web

[DUG] Web development

2011-06-02 Thread Steve Peacocke
Friday question (or Can of Worms) Hey guys, I'm looking at getting into serious web development. I used to do this a number of years ago with standard Delphi 6 at that time. I have Delphi 7 I've been looking seriously at Ruby on Rails but that would mean learning a whole new language and

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-02 Thread Steve Peacocke
Thanks Berend, I'm not doing this for a job but working on my on applications at home in my spare time. I've been programming for many years but not as a job since about 2005. My next project will be totally web based and I've been thinking that I'd need to make the move to RubyonRails at that

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-02 Thread Jolyon Smith
the web *GUI* 4. Ditto for an Android/iPhone app if appropriate -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 16:35 To: List NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi Subject: [DUG] Web

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-02 Thread Ross Levis
properties of a class or parameters for a function. Cheers, Ross. -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Berend de Boer Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 4:52 PM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Web

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-02 Thread Alister Christie
I think RoR is a fairly good choice and I've played with it a bit and am impressed - bit of a learning curve from Delphi. Whatever technology you choose, you'll likely need a good understanding of HTML, CSS and JavaScript. I don't think Intraweb is suitable for doing any serious web stuff -

Re: [DUG] Web development

2011-06-02 Thread Steve Peacocke
-Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 16:35 To: List NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi Subject: [DUG] Web development Friday question (or Can of Worms) Hey guys, I'm

Re: [DUG]: web development.

1999-05-31 Thread Nic Wise
Is JSP actually deployed yet? Resources on Sun's site seem to be limited to a specification paper Sun has a reference implementation on the same site :) Resources? www.esperanto.org.nz JSP FAQ. JSP book (well, the startings of) Commercial implementations / development products? Dev

RE: [DUG]: web development.

1999-05-31 Thread Patrick Dunford
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nic Wise Sent: Thursday, 1 April 1999 11:49 To: Multiple recipients of list delphi Subject: Re: [DUG]: web development. Very true, tho there are other options, which usually limit the learning

Re: [DUG]: web development.

1999-04-05 Thread Matthew Comb
looking at cold fusion 4 at the moment. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Cheers, Matt. - Original Message - From: Siegfried Kirchmair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list delphi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [DUG]: web development. Hi

Re: [DUG]: web development.

1999-04-01 Thread Siegfried Kirchmair
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[DUG]: web development.

1999-03-31 Thread Matthew Comb
I realise this is probably a trivial question to a lot of people here but as I have humiliated myself with many before I might as well continue the trend. I am looking to create a web site that updates our software in much the same way that win98 updates itself from microsoft. Our software

Re: [DUG]: web development.

1999-03-31 Thread Peter Hyde
Matthew wrote: My question is how to go about programming dlls that run on the web server and return web page data. I guess this is pretty fundamental but I'm new at this. Any source code snippets or advice on any of this would be appreciated. The best advice I can give you is to *not*

Re: [DUG]: web development.

1999-03-31 Thread Nic Wise
Very true, tho there are other options, which usually limit the learning curve: As usual, this is DEFINATLY IN _MY_ OPINION. ASP - OK, it kinda limits you to NT, but so does anything using Delphi. Very easy to use (IMO), quick etc. Can be used on Unix if you get chilliasp. JSP -