Re: [Denemo-devel] cadenza questions
On Fri, 2016-09-23 at 13:39 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote: > I'm not sure what I may be doing wrong here...but I'm using Denemo > 2.0.12 and I don't have Directives->Inserting Barlines or Directives- > >Typesetter->Print Layout->Allow page/Line Break > > Under the Directives Tab, I have: > > Typesetter-> > Markings-> > Playback-> > Make Directive Conditional-> > Enable Accordian 16' > Insert Lilypond > Insert Comment > Check Paired Directives > Menu of Objects to Insert > > Under Directives->Typesetter->Print Layout I have 29 submenus, but no > Allow page/Line Break > > perhaps my build is corrupted? No, what it will be is that you have a local copy of the commands. What you can do is open the View->Command Center and click on Load a Standard Command Set then choose Default.commands from the list then when it asks Load Shortcuts Only? say no - you need the standard commands. Richard ___ Denemo-devel mailing list Denemo-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel
Re: [Denemo-devel] cadenza questions
I'm not sure what I may be doing wrong here...but I'm using Denemo 2.0.12 and I don't have Directives->Inserting Barlines or Directives- >Typesetter->Print Layout->Allow page/Line Break Under the Directives Tab, I have: Typesetter-> Markings-> Playback-> Make Directive Conditional-> Enable Accordian 16' Insert Lilypond Insert Comment Check Paired Directives Menu of Objects to Insert Under Directives->Typesetter->Print Layout I have 29 submenus, but no Allow page/Line Break perhaps my build is corrupted? On Friday, September 23, 2016 9:44:23 AM PDT Richard Shann wrote: > On Fri, 2016-09-23 at 01:38 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote: > > I am referring to Denemo Print View. The line runs right off the edge of > > the page and when I print it to a PDF file, it does the same. > > > > I tried to use the Denemo manual's example: > > > > "7.3.3 Adding Line or Page Breaks. > > Page or line breaks added by right-clicking on a note at a barline > > this is the bit you may be overlooking - LilyPond only puts line or page > breaks on what it thinks of as bar lines. As you have none you have to > either put one in (Directives->Inserting Barlines) or put in a > non-printing one (Directives->Typesetter->Print Layout->Allow Page/ Line > Break). > > > and > > > > choosing from the menu. This works because right-click positions the > > Denemo Cursor at the note and then the page or line break command is > > run just as if you were working directly in the Denemo Display." > > this last bit is explaining that doing the editing on the Print View is > really the same as doing it in the Denemo Display - when you click on a > note at a bar line the cursor positions itself in the Denemo Display on > that note, and you can then insert the page or line break. This way of > editing is ok for the final stages of your score creation, when you are > looking over the finished work and making the odd adjustment. > > Richard > P.S. please remember to "Group Reply" or "Reply to all" so that the > thread continues on the mailing list. > > > But this doesn't really explain a way to 'force' a page break in Cadenza > > Time, or perhaps it doesn't quite work. > > > > Donald > > > > On Friday, September 23, 2016 8:38:00 AM PDT you wrote: > > > On Thu, 2016-09-22 at 18:38 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote: > > > > The problem, though, is that the cadenza does not automatically > > > > generate a page break. > > > > > > > > 1. How do I force a page break in cadenza time? > > > > > > Is this a LilyPond thing? Or are you referring to the Denemo Display? > > > > > > Richard > > ___ > Denemo-devel mailing list > Denemo-devel@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel ___ Denemo-devel mailing list Denemo-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel
Re: [Denemo-devel] cadenza questions
On Thu, 2016-09-22 at 18:38 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote: > A further problem is that this time signature (which has nothing to > do > with the amount of notes in the score) doesn't allow 'check score' to > function correctly. I think you could work around that by placing an Measures->"Ignore Measure Duration Error" in each candenza "measure" (ie Denemo chunk) that you have used for your cadenza. At any rate I've updated the bug report about this. Richard ___ Denemo-devel mailing list Denemo-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel
Re: [Denemo-devel] cadenza questions
On Fri, 2016-09-23 at 07:34 +0100, Richard Shann wrote: > On Fri, 2016-09-23 at 07:29 +0100, Richard Shann wrote: > > So I put the cursor at the start of the piece and executed Time > > Signature->(Print) Hide and it hid the initial time signature. > > Aha! But this doesn't work if the Candenza starts at the start of the > piece :) > ... investigating! Well, I think I see what is causing confusion, and it's nothing to do with cadenza time. When you hide the initial time-signature Denemo fails to understand that the "Score Layout" - that is, everything that is not actually on the stave - has changed and so keeps typesetting with the old staff information. You can force Denemo to recompute and get the right display by changing the initial clef to Bass Clef and then back again. Richard ___ Denemo-devel mailing list Denemo-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel
Re: [Denemo-devel] cadenza questions
On Thu, 2016-09-22 at 15:28 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote: > I'm trying to create an introduction to a piece for voice and harp that has > no time signature (based on traditional western chant). > > I begin the piece with 'Start Cadenza Time', > I add the proportional rest spacers between the voice and harp, > I then 'End Cadenza Time' at the end of the free rhythm. > > One of the problems is that denemo automatically places the subsequent > 4/4 time AT THE BEGINNING of the piece. Using View->Command Center I started typing Hide time signature and only got as far as "hide tim" when it found this: Command: (Print) Hide On printing, omit the time signature change at the cursor, or the initial time signature if the cursor is not on a time signature change. Location: ObjectMenu->TimeSig Internal Name: HideTimesig So I put the cursor at the start of the piece and executed Time Signature->(Print) Hide and it hid the initial time signature. > > I can't figure out how to 'place' the 'End Cadenza Time' at the end of the > cadenza. The tooltip is rather terse, it does not say that the End Candenza Time mark is entered at the cursor position. I've submitted a bug report about that - thank you! > > Am I doing something wrong here? > > The other problem is that the view menu ??? view menu = Denemo Display or Print View ... > in denemo does not extend (or > scroll) during the cadenza. I have to change views via the escape key, > place my cursor, go back to the main edit screen you can edit in any of the three views of the Denemo Display, though the page view is usually zoomed rather small. > and continue editing. > > Donald > > ___ > Denemo-devel mailing list > Denemo-devel@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel ___ Denemo-devel mailing list Denemo-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel
Re: [Denemo-devel] cadenza questions
an addendum: I solved the scrolling issue by adding bar lines, which are invisible while in cadenza mode (yay!) The problem, though, is that the cadenza does not automatically generate a page break. 1. How do I force a page break in cadenza time? Another problem is that the original time signature still shows up in the beginning of the score. I can edit this in Frescobaldi by taking out the 4/4 line in the score, but I'm not sure if this is correct technique, plus it doesn't generate a score when I try to import my new file back to denemo. A further problem is that this time signature (which has nothing to do with the amount of notes in the score) doesn't allow 'check score' to function correctly. 2. How do I get rid of the time signature at the beginning of the cadenza? On Thursday, September 22, 2016 3:28:44 PM PDT Donald J. Stewart wrote: > I'm trying to create an introduction to a piece for voice and harp that has > no time signature (based on traditional western chant). > > I begin the piece with 'Start Cadenza Time', > I add the proportional rest spacers between the voice and harp, > I then 'End Cadenza Time' at the end of the free rhythm. > > One of the problems is that denemo automatically places the subsequent > 4/4 time AT THE BEGINNING of the piece. > > I can't figure out how to 'place' the 'End Cadenza Time' at the end of the > cadenza. > > Am I doing something wrong here? > > The other problem is that the view menu in denemo does not extend (or > scroll) during the cadenza. I have to change views via the escape key, > place my cursor, go back to the main edit screen and continue editing. > > Donald ___ Denemo-devel mailing list Denemo-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel
