Re: Submitted new logos
Jean T. Anderson wrote: My firefox browser doesn't seem to have the right plugin to view http://www.geocities.com/andrew_kachalo/portfolio/derby/ . To be able to see the site, you probably need to download and install a ShockWave Flash player/plugin. The site includes an object of the MIME-type application/x-shockwave-flash, and the extension .swf. At any rate, the only logos that can be considered for the contest are those that are uploaded to http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-297 with a license granted to the ASF. Well, since I think the logos on the above mentioned site look quite good, I encourage the author to submit all his logo proposals to the Jira issue, as long as there are no copyright issues tied to them (I CC'd the author in case he does not read this list). -- John
Re: Submitted new logos
I guess since I'm calling for the vote, I get to make the rules (although of course I'm open to comments) :) An image must be attached to the JIRA issue and explicitly licensed to Apache to be considered for the vote. If there are four images, each image must be uploaded independently. I'll send out a full set of rules for the vote to get comments; the final set of rules will be included with the vote. David John Embretsen wrote: Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 8:06:22 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: Michael Segel wrote: Hopefully the artwork that some of these logos are based on are in the public domain. If you lifted another's copyrighted work and then modified it, you're on murky ground. It's always good to discuss this important issue. One of the reasons we're using Jira for logo submission is uploading a file prompts the submitter to check a bullet that says "Grant license to ASF for inclusion in ASF works (As per the Apache Software Licnese)". Are all four proposals at http://www.geocities.com/andrew_kachalo/portfolio/derby/ part of the contest, or not? The first comment on DERBY-297 consists of this link, and the site itself states "this is a demo page derby and it's logo is a property of Apache organization" (this is the exact quote as I see it on my screen, so the typos are not mine ;) ). I can only find one of them (the big feather) on the Jira page itself. The way I interpret the rules, only this proposal (of the four) is part of the contest. begin:vcard fn:David W Van Couvering n:Van Couvering;David W org:Sun Microsystems, Inc.;Database Technology Group email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Senior Staff Software Engineer tel;work:510-550-6819 tel;cell:510-684-7281 x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Submitted new logos
John Embretsen wrote: ... Are all four proposals at http://www.geocities.com/andrew_kachalo/portfolio/derby/ part of the contest, or not? The first comment on DERBY-297 consists of this link, and the site itself states "this is a demo page derby and it's logo is a property of Apache organization" (this is the exact quote as I see it on my screen, so the typos are not mine ;) ). I can only find one of them (the big feather) on the Jira page itself. The way I interpret the rules, only this proposal (of the four) is part of the contest. My firefox browser doesn't seem to have the right plugin to view http://www.geocities.com/andrew_kachalo/portfolio/derby/ . At any rate, the only logos that can be considered for the contest are those that are uploaded to http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-297 with a license granted to the ASF. -jean
Re: Submitted new logos
Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 8:06:22 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: > Michael Segel wrote: >> Hopefully the artwork that some of these logos are based on are in the >> public domain. If you lifted another's copyrighted work and then modified >> it, you're on murky ground. > It's always good to discuss this important issue. One of the reasons > we're using Jira for logo submission is uploading a file prompts the > submitter to check a bullet that says "Grant license to ASF for > inclusion in ASF works (As per the Apache Software Licnese)". Are all four proposals at http://www.geocities.com/andrew_kachalo/portfolio/derby/ part of the contest, or not? The first comment on DERBY-297 consists of this link, and the site itself states "this is a demo page derby and it's logo is a property of Apache organization" (this is the exact quote as I see it on my screen, so the typos are not mine ;) ). I can only find one of them (the big feather) on the Jira page itself. The way I interpret the rules, only this proposal (of the four) is part of the contest. -- John
Re: Submitted new logos
One warning about referencing logos by number at http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-297 . Jira doesn't necessarily add a newly submitted logo to the end of the list, which means that a new logo submission can change the numeric position of the others. Logo #5 today could be #8 tomorrow, depending on submission activity. So it might be more reliable to reference logos by file name; e.g., derby4.jpg, derby_logo_only.jpg, etc. -jean
RE: Submitted new logos
I like number 11, it looks very clean and business oriented. I like the hat in that logo much better than the other hats. Perhaps some color could be incorporated into the logo, maybe the hat or the word Derby. I also like the font choice and size in relation to the hat. The hats in logos 1-3 are too literal with the feather not appearing to be well integrated. The hat in logo 10 and 11 seems a bit more playful yet serious. In addition these logos do not include the name Derby. Logos 5, 6, and 12 make me think of a music, at the very least headphones with the 'Y' being the headphone wires. This would be a very confusing logo. I am not sure what the knight logos are representing. When I see the knight I think of chess or a construction company. It just seems odd to me. The feather is recognizable as Apache and as an Apache project I understand the relationship suggested by including the feather but I don't think it should be included as part of the Derby logo. The logo should be distinct in itself without drawing references from Apache. Let Derby stand on its own. -Samer -Original Message- From: Roger Dudler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:48 AM To: Derby Discussion Subject: Submitted new logos Hi there, I've submitted a logo to the issue. Please provide some feedback. http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-297 Nr. 10 / 11 Greets Roger
Re: Submitted new logos
Michael Segel wrote: Hopefully the artwork that some of these logos are based on are in the public domain. If you lifted another's copyrighted work and then modified it, you're on murky ground. It's always good to discuss this important issue. One of the reasons we're using Jira for logo submission is uploading a file prompts the submitter to check a bullet that says "Grant license to ASF for inclusion in ASF works (As per the Apache Software Licnese)". And here's wording from http://db.apache.org/derby/logo_contest.html : "The only logos that will be considered are those for which the license has been granted to the ASF. But only grant the license to the ASF if you are entitled to do so. Don't include any elements to which you don't have rights or permission." I'll move that wording into the description at http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-297, since that's where the main action is. -jean
RE: Submitted new logos
Hopefully the artwork that some of these logos are based on are in the public domain. If you lifted another's copyrighted work and then modified it, you're on murky ground. Of course, while one thinks of the Derby as a hat, or even a restaurant (Brown Derby? ;-), It kind of takes a twist on the original concept. (Off to the Races anyone?) So why don't you do a horse race with the lead jockey wearing a Derby? ;-) (just kidding.) Just my .02 cents worth. -Original Message- From: David W. Van Couvering [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:57 AM To: Derby Discussion Subject: Re: Submitted new logos Sorry for perhaps an oblique reference -- the hat is a Derby Hat, it is the name for this type of hat. It used to be worn all the time in the Victorian era http://www.millerhats.com/hatcare_index/derbycare.html (note the feather!) http://www.ushist.com/wardrobe/hats_mens_bowlers-derbys.htm#item5 Danbury, Connecticut has the Derby as it's City Hat http://www.lookingforadventure.com/historyofdanbury.htm Juan Ignacio Villa wrote: > I preffer the chess knigth. ¿Why the hat? > > The first hat look good except for the apache feather. > Looks very different. > > greetins. > > --- Roger Dudler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > >>Hi there, >> >>I've submitted a logo to the issue. Please provide >>some feedback. >> >>http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-297 >> >>Nr. 10 / 11 >> >>Greets >>Roger >> >> > > > > > > __ > Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! > Nuevos servicios, más seguridad > http://correo.yahoo.es
Re: Submitted new logos
Sorry for perhaps an oblique reference -- the hat is a Derby Hat, it is the name for this type of hat. It used to be worn all the time in the Victorian era http://www.millerhats.com/hatcare_index/derbycare.html (note the feather!) http://www.ushist.com/wardrobe/hats_mens_bowlers-derbys.htm#item5 Danbury, Connecticut has the Derby as it's City Hat http://www.lookingforadventure.com/historyofdanbury.htm Juan Ignacio Villa wrote: I preffer the chess knigth. ¿Why the hat? The first hat look good except for the apache feather. Looks very different. greetins. --- Roger Dudler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: Hi there, I've submitted a logo to the issue. Please provide some feedback. http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-297 Nr. 10 / 11 Greets Roger __ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es begin:vcard fn:David W Van Couvering n:Van Couvering;David W org:Sun Microsystems, Inc.;Database Technology Group email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Senior Staff Software Engineer tel;work:510-550-6819 tel;cell:510-684-7281 x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard
RE: Submitted new logos
Derby is also a kind of hat. > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --- > Von: Juan Ignacio Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > An: Derby Discussion > Betreff: RE: Submitted new logos > Datum: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:46:43 +0100 (CET) > > I preffer the chess knigth. ¿Why the hat? > > The first hat look good except for the apache feather. > Looks very different. > > greetins. > > --- Roger Dudler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > > Hi there, > > > > I've submitted a logo to the issue. Please provide > > some feedback. > > > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-297 > > > > Nr. 10 / 11 > > > > Greets > > Roger > > > > > > > > > __ > Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! > Nuevos servicios, más seguridad > http://correo.yahoo.es > -- Highspeed-Freiheit. Bei GMX supergünstig, z.B. GMX DSL_Cityflat, DSL-Flatrate für nur 4,99 Euro/Monat* http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
RE: Submitted new logos
I preffer the chess knigth. ¿Why the hat? The first hat look good except for the apache feather. Looks very different. greetins. --- Roger Dudler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > Hi there, > > I've submitted a logo to the issue. Please provide > some feedback. > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-297 > > Nr. 10 / 11 > > Greets > Roger > > __ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es
