Re: [libreoffice-design] banner for fundraising
Hi Bernhard, Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-02-13 03.24: I posted there an idea (using 468x60px) for a banner size. would be ok for me. I am no expert, so whatever you propose sounds good to me. :-) Shouldn't we involve the marketing team in this topic? The marketing team has been informed about various ideas, but the overall feedback hasn't been that great. I will send out a PR on the fundraising tomorrow or on Tuesday and will *not* wait anymore, as there has already been lots of time, and we're running out of time until the deadline. :-( We could use a common slogan for this fundraising - not only on our banner, but on other marketing material (web buttons, flyers, posters, etc) too. Any advice and input is welcome! We can add material after we started the fundraising, but I want to at least start it by Monday or Tuesday, otherwise we will lose important time... Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Some configuration suggestion
Hello all. I'd like to make observations on some configuration options. First, when OOo2 saw the lights, to me there was a regression regarding the configuration: from then, under Tool- Options, you can see only the general parameters and the ones from the current open application (Writer, Calc, etc). Before, the options windows contained the options for the entire suite. I'm sure there are technical motivation for this, but from a user point of view means that you have to open any specific application when you want to configure all in one pass. One typical example is when i want to enable this useful feature in Writer/Calc/Impress/Draw after the setup: Guides while moving. And this is the second observation: why don't enable guides while moving by default, together with vertical ruler under Writer. I think they are very handy. The third observation is an incoherence that was not present in OOo/go-oo 2.x. Before the AutoCorrect was in a common place between all LibO applications, under Tools menu. Now, for Writer, is under: Format - AutoCorrect - AutoCorrect options... While for Calc is always under (but in a different position): Tools - AutoCorrect options... From a user point of view i think it's confusing. Hope to help. Ciao. Cesare. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress(ing) Templates
Hi Ricardo, Good point! I will make sure to add that to the wiki page. Cheers, Jaron On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:41 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: One problem I can see on many templates is the use of proprietary font, like arial, times new roman, thorndale, etc: none of those fonts are installed on my Linux system, for instance. I think that a LibO default template must use the fonts delivered with LibO, otherwise there will be compatibility issues on different platforms and that's not good. Cheers, Ricardo 2011/2/12 Jaron Kuppers jaronba...@gmail.com: Hi everyone, I have updated the wiki page significantly. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Presentation_Templates I added a new section which I hope can be used to critique the existing default templates many of which (from my attempts to review each one) have problems such as font choice (serif fonts should be frowned upon), alignment issues (content and title area's improperly aligned), inadequate background images (too bright or distracting) and bullet indentation (too large an indentation makes second level numbered content, and higher numbered content, space inefficient). Please feel free to look over my work and add your own critiques of the existing default templates. In other news, I added Paulo's Green Theme to the wiki with a link to his blog page. It looks good Paulo I can't wait to see bullets. If you need help with setting up a master page for your template let me know and I can help. If you send me your background image and bullet images along with your desired fonts I can create the template for you. Please let me know if there are things on the wiki page you want changed, or you can just change them yourself. :-) Cheers, Jaron On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Jaron Kuppers jaronba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Thanks for the feedback. I have started a wiki page as recommended by Bernhard at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Presentation_Templates Hopefully, I can finish cleaning it up and filling it out later this evening. Once I get the page completed I will send an invitation to the Docs group for collaboration. Is there anyone else that I should involve? Cheers, Jaron 2011/2/10 Paulo José paul...@gmail.com On 10-02-2011 08:58, Bernhard Dippold wrote: ... and Kevin! :-) *:) Yeah, and Kevin for the great idea, as I've said. :-P On 09-02-2011 19:25, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Jaron! Am Montag, den 07.02.2011, 16:36 -0500 schrieb Jaron Kuppers: Please provide feedback or direction as Kevin_Items and I move forward on developing a few templates. Thanks! If you didn't already (sorry if I don't remember every mail I read during the last week), would you mind to create a dedicated wiki page for the presentation template work? Something like http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Presentation_Templates (Any better structure idea welcome) I think it might be a good idea to collect the template categories and some more specific information there, allowing others (from other teams, if interested) to join. It will be very useful and I hope to see it soon fill up with good ideas from all. :D I didn't see the Christoph's link with the user feedback about templates, but I think would be nice to include its information in this page too. :) Maybe later I can help on it. ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress(ing) Templates
Hi Paulo, Unfortunately, Impress is horribly buggy and not very intuitive sometimes. The program could use a complete overhaul, and the ODF (.odp) presentation format could use a serious update in order for LibO presentations to compare to MS Powerpoint or Keynote presentations. Some of your errors I haven't experienced but I have experienced other problems of my own. 2011/2/13 Paulo José paul...@gmail.com Assuming that I'm a really newbie to the Impress advanced usage (only almost now I discovery the master slide feature), I accept your help with pleasure! Well, my first questions are: * What is the best step-by-step to setup all the styles of boxes in a template? I mean, which the differences between use Styles in a Slide and in Master pages. In theory, if you change text in the master slide (ex: you change the font in Level 2 outline text) it should also change the Outline 2 text style. Additionally, changing an outline style (ex: the font change to Level 2) will change all the higher level outline styles (3-9 will also have a font change) since the styles are linked. * Is there a way to create guidelines and snap the content to them? Or even better, create snap points in a text box, so is possible to snap automatically any object to it, even if is moved or have its size changed? You can create guidelines and create a grid for the document. ViewGrid Show, ViewGuidesDisplay Guides and ViewGuidesSnap to Guides need to all be selected and for some reason are not by default (which I think should change). To change the grid resolution (which is set to 0.5 by default) go to LibreOfficePreferencesImpressGrid. Unfortunately, this change won't be saved to the template. * It's possibly to setup variables and others fields to presentations? Fields are extremely limited in Impress. Only the default fields will be accessible for the general user. :-( This means there are a lot of cool features we could add to Impress Templates that won't be accessible. * How can I create a index (summary) of slides and it's automatically updated? You can't... sort of... The InsertSummary Slide function creates a slide with a content box filled with the titles of each slide. It does not, however, update itself automatically. Additionally, it only adds Titles from the selected slide onward (so if you are on slide 7 or 9 slides and click create summary slide it will only create a summary that includes the titles of slides 7, 8 and 9). Essentially this function is useless for templates and inaccessible to most users since the command follows no common sense. I'm suffering with little bugs too... When I configure a Outline 3 style and save it, the Outline 1 style is changed to something completely different. Also the indentation of some styles [generally Outline 1] is changed by itself when I switch between slides. And even the line spacing is automatically changed from 125% (my setting) to 93% or 117%, randomly. Why these numbers? Why not 42%? :P Weird... Could you send the file to me directly. I will look at it and see if I can figure out why its doing this. Those things are really annoying and take a lot of time to correct... So if you're experiencing none of these bugs, I'll really thankful to left this formating job to you do. Thank you so much in advance for your help! Agreed! There are a lot of annoying bugs! I will try and make a list as I make templates but to be honest there are so many I currently find the task of recording the error, and creating a bug report for each very scary. Cheers, Jaron -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress(ing) Templates
Hi Jaron! Am Sonntag, den 13.02.2011, 12:48 -0500 schrieb Jaron Kuppers: Hi Ricardo, Good point! I will make sure to add that to the wiki page. Thanks! But a minor addition - maybe helpful as well. If you look at the recent LibreOffice presentation template [1], I've referred to several fonts at once. If you add ; as a list separator, then Impress will try to use the first font name in the list. If it's not available, then it will look for the second one, If it's unavailable, then ... Cheers, Christoph [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#LibreOffice_initial_presentation_template_.28DRAFT.29 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:41 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: One problem I can see on many templates is the use of proprietary font, like arial, times new roman, thorndale, etc: none of those fonts are installed on my Linux system, for instance. I think that a LibO default template must use the fonts delivered with LibO, otherwise there will be compatibility issues on different platforms and that's not good. Cheers, Ricardo 2011/2/12 Jaron Kuppers jaronba...@gmail.com: Hi everyone, I have updated the wiki page significantly. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Presentation_Templates I added a new section which I hope can be used to critique the existing default templates many of which (from my attempts to review each one) have problems such as font choice (serif fonts should be frowned upon), alignment issues (content and title area's improperly aligned), inadequate background images (too bright or distracting) and bullet indentation (too large an indentation makes second level numbered content, and higher numbered content, space inefficient). Please feel free to look over my work and add your own critiques of the existing default templates. In other news, I added Paulo's Green Theme to the wiki with a link to his blog page. It looks good Paulo I can't wait to see bullets. If you need help with setting up a master page for your template let me know and I can help. If you send me your background image and bullet images along with your desired fonts I can create the template for you. Please let me know if there are things on the wiki page you want changed, or you can just change them yourself. :-) Cheers, Jaron On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Jaron Kuppers jaronba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Thanks for the feedback. I have started a wiki page as recommended by Bernhard at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Presentation_Templates Hopefully, I can finish cleaning it up and filling it out later this evening. Once I get the page completed I will send an invitation to the Docs group for collaboration. Is there anyone else that I should involve? Cheers, Jaron 2011/2/10 Paulo José paul...@gmail.com On 10-02-2011 08:58, Bernhard Dippold wrote: ... and Kevin! :-) *:) Yeah, and Kevin for the great idea, as I've said. :-P On 09-02-2011 19:25, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Jaron! Am Montag, den 07.02.2011, 16:36 -0500 schrieb Jaron Kuppers: Please provide feedback or direction as Kevin_Items and I move forward on developing a few templates. Thanks! If you didn't already (sorry if I don't remember every mail I read during the last week), would you mind to create a dedicated wiki page for the presentation template work? Something like http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Presentation_Templates (Any better structure idea welcome) I think it might be a good idea to collect the template categories and some more specific information there, allowing others (from other teams, if interested) to join. It will be very useful and I hope to see it soon fill up with good ideas from all. :D I didn't see the Christoph's link with the user feedback about templates, but I think would be nice to include its information in this page too. :) Maybe later I can help on it. ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Raffle prize for Linux Expo
HI Probably this is just formality, but for those that haven't caught of any of this - last night I was thinking about what we had for the show 12 days away and about fund raising. The idea struck to produce something to raffle off from the booth. So to make a long story short, it all moved rather quickly. Here is the pdf file for a poster[1] (36 x 24) that for which one copy printed on a commercial grade color inkjet (300dpi), onto poster board, coated and then mounted will then be raffled away. I have one idea of something that would tie it really well into all that is going on in the booth, but to be honest it is beyond my abilities to generate the graphic and integrate well - right now I am quite happy with this - but that said - it needs not go to the printer for a few days still - if you think something could be better, please comment, or if you want to talk my idea for one last topping, the creme of the creme I have the svg file you.. Thanks very much Drew [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Scale-lax-poster-final_b.pdf -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress(ing) Templates
Hi Jaron, hi Paulo! Maybe some additional hints ... Am Sonntag, den 13.02.2011, 13:34 -0500 schrieb Jaron Kuppers: Assuming that I'm a really newbie to the Impress advanced usage (only almost now I discovery the master slide feature), I accept your help with pleasure! Well, my first questions are: * What is the best step-by-step to setup all the styles of boxes in a template? I mean, which the differences between use Styles in a Slide and in Master pages. In theory, if you change text in the master slide (ex: you change the font in Level 2 outline text) it should also change the Outline 2 text style. Additionally, changing an outline style (ex: the font change to Level 2) will change all the higher level outline styles (3-9 will also have a font change) since the styles are linked. Most of the style weirdness within Impress is based on the fact, that both Impress mimics the behavior of PowerPoint, and it tries to behave like the other LibreOffice applications. Thus, if you look at the stylist, there are: * Graphic Styles: To be used like normal styles (equal to Draw). Those are not related to master pages, but changes affect the _whole_ presentation. * Presentation Styles: Equal the objects of master pages. If you change those, the formatting of the objects of the currently applied master page will be changed. Thus, they do not affect the whole presentation. If you use the Master Page View, then the page shows some objects (e.g. the outline). If you change the formatting of those objects, then the Presentation Styles are changed as well - this is different to the Normal view when editing the presentation content. But, not all of the objects are shown - Subtitle for example is only available via the Stylist. Also important, some of the settings from within the Master Page View are applied globally (for all slides using the current Master Page), but are not part of the Stylist: the size and the position of the master page objects (Title Area, Object Area, ...). By the way: Presentation Styles, Background Objects refer to things like page number, footer, ... but some of the settings are not stored (according to my experience). Does this clarify the behavior of Impress a bit? Comments appreciated :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress(ing) Templates
Hi Christoph! On 13-02-2011 21:14, Christoph Noack wrote: Oh, I noticed in the comments to your blog posting [1] that you found the workaround that also worked for me in the past. But since we already talk about the templates, may I add some thoughts? But first a question - are the current templates meant to used as official marketing templates for LibreOffice? You know, the artistic quality is (as usual - so to say) just fantastic ;-) Thank you so much! Well, I don't see no problems on this (Is this phrase correct? :/). Since my work is libre, it can be changed by everyone to better fit into marketing purposes. :) When I looked a the designs, I had to remember one particular statement of one of the supervisors at my university. When a student once held a presentation with gradients that caused darker slide edges, he noted: Engineers worked very hard on data project technology to ensure homogeneous lighting for the whole picture. This, it seems that the design might only work well if people know that this effect is really intended ... so please don't get me wrong, I just wanted to share what made me think about slide designs a few years ago. I understand the point of your supervisor. And he's right; the Vignetting Effect was an [undesirable] effect in photography and even today is used with much caution by most photographers. It's easy overdo its usage. Although, I personaly love this effect - so I probably overdone on it. :-[ . I'll try to reduce it a little bit to make it less perceptive and more natural. Thank you for this thinking! Waiting for your comments on my 3D stuff. :P But just do it if you'll have time, of course. By the way, a little note: today I had sucess to convert the LOO logo to blender curves... :) A footnote after that: If you think the Impress bugs are bad, you should see Blender bugs... :O -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress(ing) Templates
Hi again Christoph! On 13-02-2011 21:01, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Jaron, hi Paulo! Maybe some additional hints ... [...] Most of the style weirdness within Impress is based on the fact, that both Impress mimics the behavior of PowerPoint, and it tries to behave like the other LibreOffice applications. Well, it's a bit confusing. :/ The bug I initially cited is a prove to how much GOOD is this mimic; The Power Point support is to improved that background images are not stored in the ODP file, but in the PPT they was! Thus, if you look at the stylist, there are: * Graphic Styles: To be used like normal styles (equal to Draw). Those are not related to master pages, but changes affect the _whole_ presentation. * Presentation Styles: Equal the objects of master pages. If you change those, the formatting of the objects of the currently applied master page will be changed. Thus, they do not affect the whole presentation. If you use the Master Page View, then the page shows some objects (e.g. the outline). If you change the formatting of those objects, then the Presentation Styles are changed as well - this is different to the Normal view when editing the presentation content. But, not all of the objects are shown - Subtitle for example is only available via the Stylist. Also important, some of the settings from within the Master Page View are applied globally (for all slides using the current Master Page), but are not part of the Stylist: the size and the position of the master page objects (Title Area, Object Area, ...). By the way: Presentation Styles, Background Objects refer to things like page number, footer, ... but some of the settings are not stored (according to my experience). Does this clarify the behavior of Impress a bit? Comments appreciated :-) Yeah, these commentaries make things a lot clearer than before! Specially about Graphic Styles! I'm learning a lot Impress. But for now I think it's needing a new identify. Or even to find a own identify for the first time. All the support for Microsoft features seemly leave no space to Impress create and improve its own functionalities. :/ Good night, ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.comYeh -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
