Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice] [PUSHED] fdo#31251 - Improve default page layout

2011-03-05 Thread Sébastien Le Ray
Le Sat, 5 Mar 2011 09:09:44 +0200,
Hillar Liiv liivhil...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Hi,
 
 I have made some mockup to show how different shadows look alike:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Docshadows.png
 Which looks best?

Hi

I definitely don't like the no blur shadows... I cannot tell which
one from 4 borders or 2 borders looks best, I guess this is a matter of
personal taste.
One thing to take into account : if we use a large shadow and/or
4 borders shadow, we've to change to behavior of the zoom out to avoid
shadow overlapping (when you zoom out to a little zoom level, pages are
closer from each other than in zoom levels  ~50%), so we either have
to change pages spacing or shadow width when zooming out.


Sébastien

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice] [PUSHED] fdo#31251 - Improve default page layout

2011-03-05 Thread Sébastien Le Ray
Le Fri, 4 Mar 2011 21:36:19 +,
Daniel Merker daniel.mer...@wayne.edu a écrit :

 Hi,
 
 Just a thought. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the background be
 the primary color of that application. For example, the Writer would
 have a blue tinted background with a shadow (I like the shadow on all
 sides), and Impress would have an organge tinted background with the
 same shadow around the slide. This should help tie in the color theme
 and help build on a general motif.
 
 -Daniel Merker
 

Hi,

The background color of the application can already be customized
through preferences...

regards

Sébastien

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: [Bug 34896] [EasyHack] Color palette: number of columns

2011-03-05 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Hillar,

just a quick reply ... without that much thought ;-)


Am Samstag, den 05.03.2011, 12:16 +0200 schrieb Hillar Liiv:
 Here is one bug report to change Color palette: number of columns
 everywhere constant (same number colums/row to make creating palettes
 easier).

 Which way to go?
 
 - change to 8x12
 - change to 10x11

To ask another question: What problem will be solved with that change?

In the first step, consistency is usually an improvement, so that our
users are not forced to re-think when using an almost identical control
element (color palette). But does it ease to create / provide color
palettes?

Color palettes are created for different purposes, e.g. because the
company colors are A, B, and C. So - from the user's / company's
perspective - these guys won't add additional colors to fill the palette
because one of their tools (amongst others) works that way :-)

So my first statement is, that there is a need to reconsider the color
choosers anyway. Because:
  * We have additional vertical color selections (list with color
names, e.g. when selecting a background color via toolbar)
  * Changing palettes / colors is currently a nightmare
  * ...

Concerning your initial question - I would go for 8x12 if we don't cause
scrollbars within the usual dialogs when a few additional colors are
added. My rationale: In the old days of EGA graphics, there have been
color pallets with 16 colors (or advanced: 64 colors). Even today, many
of the color palettes start with these basic colors - so they get shown
in two rows which makes them distinct in the dialog.

 Bug report is here:
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34896

Thanks! Could you please take care to sum up the discussion (if there
are any more thoughts on that) and add this to the issue?

Cheers,
Christoph


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Replace the quickstarter icon (Linux system tray icon) ?

2011-03-05 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Minhsien0330 (???),

at least my system [1] features the Document Symbol for the
Quickstarter. Can you provide some more information, please?

Cheers,
Christoph

[1] LibreOffice 3.3.1, OOO330m19 (Build:8)
tag libreoffice-3.3.1.2, Ubuntu package 1:3.3.1-1ubuntu3~lucid2

Am Samstag, den 05.03.2011, 08:47 +0800 schrieb minhsien0330:
 Hello,
 Now we have great new MIME icons on LibreOffice 3.3.1, but the quickstarter
 icon on system tray still a circle with two flying birds.
 A circle with two flying birds still looks like Openoffice.org, but not
 LibreOffice.
 Will this old quickstarter tray icon be replaced with new icon?
 (My system: Debian testing + LibO_3.3.1_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz )
 
 Thanks,
 Minhsien0330


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: LibreOffice official color names

2011-03-05 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Bernhard, all!

Thanks for the answer - and really good thoughts :-)

Am Freitag, den 04.03.2011, 23:37 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
 Christoph Noack schrieb:
  Just some short comments on this issue as well, because I'd like to
  finally answer Andras question  ... :-)
 
 Sorry for mixing up two different topics - but I found them related when 
 thinking of official names...

Well, sorry for appearing so picky, but I thought it would be helpful
to go a first step. The other topic is important as well, of course.

  Am Samstag, den 05.03.2011, 04:10 +1100 schrieb Nik:
[...]
  On 3/3/2011 9:33 AM, Christoph Noack wrote:
  Am Mittwoch, den 02.03.2011, 23:00 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
[...]
  Personally, I think we should start to collect such tiny logo issues in
  the wiki and update all in one rush - to save some effort.
 
 +1

Could somebody please take care of that? I'd do that, but then it gets
added on the high pile of things to be done later ;-)

  [...]
 
  So how about the following logos...
  Basic/Plain (defines basic color and shape)
 * Derived contemporary --  LibreOffice preferred logo
   (highlighted on the branding page)
 * Derived grayscale (like today)
 * Derived black/white (like today)
 * Derived inverted (like today)
 
 I'd switch it:
 
 Main logo: present contemporary logo
 
 Derived plain colors logo (dark grey and green)
 Derived greyscale logo
 Derived black logo (today: black/white)
 Derived white logo (today: inverted)
 
 Derived green/black logo (today: basic) for special needs.

Okay, that sounds fine to me ... to me it is still the contemporary
logo (which should really get the name main) derived from the plain
logo. But this may be a personal preference, so if it is kept - that's a
great proposal! Nik, what do you think?

[...]
 But we definitely should provide the spot colors of our color palette, 
 so people know about the colors we want to be used on physical banners 
 and the like.

Yep, and it makes it easier to refer to them in our designs / motif.

  From my point-of-view, most of the confusion is created by those people
  who copy the logo from other locations in the web - and sometimes even
  modifying them. G.
 
 Did you already find examples on LibreOffice? (I remember really 
 horrible ones from OOo)

Something like that?
http://ubuntuxx.de/wp-content/themes/ubuntuxx/timthumb.php?src=/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/timpthumb-libre.jpegh=120w=180zc=1

 Best regards
 
 Bernhard
 
 PS: And if we agree on 80% Grey for our logo, I'd propose to give it a 
 LibO name (LibreGrey 1) in our palette.

I would even propose to name some of the others as well - to refer to
them in our designs. How about some counterparts (similar hue) Grey
0 ... Grey 5?

Okay, a short summary:
  * Renaming / restructuring of the logo names like you proposed
  * Adding names to some of the gray/grey shadings to be
counterparts to the real colors
  * Switching the black in our plain logo version (and maybe others)
to a dark gray/grey one

Is this correct?

Cheers,
Christoph


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: [Bug 34896] [EasyHack] Color palette: number of columns

2011-03-05 Thread Hillar Liiv
o me its is easier to good color palette and it's works in every UI element
same way.



2011/3/5 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com

 Hi Hillar,

 just a quick reply ... without that much thought ;-)


 Am Samstag, den 05.03.2011, 12:16 +0200 schrieb Hillar Liiv:
  Here is one bug report to change Color palette: number of columns
  everywhere constant (same number colums/row to make creating palettes
  easier).
 
  Which way to go?
 
  - change to 8x12
  - change to 10x11

 To ask another question: What problem will be solved with that change?

 In the first step, consistency is usually an improvement, so that our
 users are not forced to re-think when using an almost identical control
 element (color palette). But does it ease to create / provide color
 palettes?


To me it is easier to make good color palette with constant UI.

Color palettes are created for different purposes, e.g. because the
 company colors are A, B, and C. So - from the user's / company's
 perspective - these guys won't add additional colors to fill the palette
 because one of their tools (amongst others) works that way :-)


Thats other issue and I think that there should be to add empty caps.

So my first statement is, that there is a need to reconsider the color
 choosers anyway. Because:
  * We have additional vertical color selections (list with color
names, e.g. when selecting a background color via toolbar)
  * Changing palettes / colors is currently a nightmare
  * ...


We need better way to handle multiple color palette.
Probably something like there:
http://t6uni.deviantart.com/art/OOo-color-palette-mockup-183868039


 Concerning your initial question - I would go for 8x12 if we don't cause
 scrollbars within the usual dialogs when a few additional colors are
 added. My rationale: In the old days of EGA graphics, there have been
 color pallets with 16 colors (or advanced: 64 colors). Even today, many
 of the color palettes start with these basic colors - so they get shown
 in two rows which makes them distinct in the dialog.


I hope that showing in too rows is not so big problem if they don't mix with
other colors... then 8x12 is better option.

 Bug report is here:
  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34896

 Thanks! Could you please take care to sum up the discussion (if there
 are any more thoughts on that) and add this to the issue?

 Cheers,
 Christoph


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: LibreOffice official color names

2011-03-05 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Bernhard,

some quick notes on that as well :-)

Am Samstag, den 05.03.2011, 00:28 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
 Christoph Noack schrieb:
  Am Mittwoch, den 02.03.2011, 23:00 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
[...]
  But I'd prefer LibreGreen 1 over Libre Green 1, because without
  the space LibreGreen is a name, while in Libre Green libre can
  be understood as descriptive adjective.
 
  True, but removing the whitespace makes it less readable ...
 
 I don't think this is an important issue, as it should be a descriptive 
 name rather than a color accompanied by a leading adjective and a 
 following number.

 But I'm not an UX-expert, so I have to believe you that people will not 
 be able to understand LibreGreen as easy as Libre Green.

From the UX perspective, it would be most helpful to remove Libre and
to provide some information in the UI of the product what kind of color
scheme (here: LibreOffice Branding Colors) are used.


  http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/10/united-colors-of-liberty.html
 
 Looking at these colors, I find out, that I like the previous color 
 names better than the present ones:
 
 Orange is not really orange - Marron has been more exact.
 
 Yellow is not yellow at all - Ocher might be the right description.

Personally, I think the more basic ones simpler to handle and to
translate ... but this may only be me.

  To be consistent, we should use LibreGreen Accent instead of
  Green Accent - OpenGrok shows the latter.
 
  OpenGrok is okay, since I asked for that name when it got integrated
  ;-)
 
 But the other colors seems to have been integrated with Libre - did 
 you do this on purpose?

No, then it's an issue. It seems that we have to rework this palette ...
thanks for making me aware of that. Since I mostly work with Inkscape at
the moment, I didn't knew that.

 The Inkscape palette I use doesn't contain any Libre, so they are 
 different.

This is on purpose, since Inkscape provides quicker access to check what
kind of palette the user works with. In LibreOffice (see also the others
mails targeting the work with colors) it is much more problematic.

 But in future all the palettes (LibO, Inkscape, GIMP) will use the same 
 naming... :-)

And the more we talk about that, the more I come to the conclusion that
a fairly simple palette (including the names) might be more appropriate.
It seems that the comments (e.g. LibreOffice Main Color) are more
important than the Libre.

So, final proposal: For all of the palettes, the naming scheme will
be...
$BASICCOLOR $TYPE ($COMMENT)

e.g. Green 1 (LibreOffice Main Color)
e.g. Orange 5
e.g. Purple Accent

This can be quickly changed in the spreadsheet that served for the
color palette creation:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/7/70/2010-11-08_LibreOffice_Initial-Branding-Colors.zip

And to not forget this - we have to add some comment in the .soc palette
creation there. That time, I didn't knew how to do this ...

And, the grey/gray values are missing at the moment.

[...]

 I've been wondering, if we should add plain colors (red, green, blue, 
 yellow, orange, violet) to the LibO palette too, because they might be 
 used for marking etc. We don't have red at all...
 
 But on the other hand they don't fit with the LibreOffice colors, so I'd 
 avoid such a mixture.
 
 What do you think?

If we call it branding palette, then I second the latter opinion to
keep it clean. At lest, we have a fabulous orange accent for
highlighting things ;-)

  I'll add the source code at the end of the mail
  - for easier reference.
  [...]
 
 I don't know if a break is allowed in an .soc file, if so, I'd add one 
 behind the first entry: This would lead to better readability, as every 
 definition is shown in it's own line.

No, I'm not aware about such possibility. The color palettes are just a
list of items - without any further structure. That makes it so hard to
define more helpful ones ... so here we need some improvements in
LibreOffice first.

[...]
 While the default UI language is English (USA) the standard color 
 palette as well as your proposal use the British English spelling Gray 
 instead of Grey.

Oh, good point!

Finally, it seems that there are some simpler things (like renaming the
gray shadings), removing the Libre in front of the colors, ... that
should be sufficient for answering Andras questions and to improve the
color palette in LibreOffice. The more time consuming things (e.g.
defining the gray values) may be done later - if we miss some help at
the moment. Okay?

Cheers,
Christoph


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Replace the quickstarter icon (Linux system tray icon) ?

2011-03-05 Thread minhsien0330
Hi Christoph,
I attached a here.png file to show the a circle with two birds.

Thanks,
Minhsien0330

2011/3/5 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com

 Hi Minhsien0330 (???),

 at least my system [1] features the Document Symbol for the
 Quickstarter. Can you provide some more information, please?

 Cheers,
 Christoph

 [1] LibreOffice 3.3.1, OOO330m19 (Build:8)
 tag libreoffice-3.3.1.2, Ubuntu package 1:3.3.1-1ubuntu3~lucid2



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Re: [libreoffice-design] Replace the quickstarter icon (Linux system tray icon) ?

2011-03-05 Thread minhsien0330
Hi Christoph,
I uploaded a here.png file to show the a circle with two birds.
https://sites.google.com/site/minhsien0330/test/here.png

Thanks,
Minhsien0330

2011/3/5 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com

 Hi Minhsien0330 (???),

 at least my system [1] features the Document Symbol for the
 Quickstarter. Can you provide some more information, please?

 Cheers,
 Christoph

 [1] LibreOffice 3.3.1, OOO330m19 (Build:8)
 tag libreoffice-3.3.1.2, Ubuntu package 1:3.3.1-1ubuntu3~lucid2



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Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft

2011-03-05 Thread Nik

Whoops, forgot to reply to Design-list instead of just to Jaron...


 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif 
draft
Date:   Sat, 05 Mar 2011 17:32:13 +1100
From:   Nik n...@tdf.nikashsingh.com
To: Jaron Kuppers jaronba...@gmail.com



Hi Jaron,


On 3/5/2011 6:37 AM, Jaron Kuppers wrote:

Hi Nik,

I would love to be involved but unfortunately I still feel that I 
don't fully understand what is desired in the motif (what is the end 
deliverable).  Of course, design is not my main background (mechanical 
engineering is) so hopefully once design proposals go up I can 
contribute.  I look forward to seeing motif's!


Cheers,
Jaron


Sorry if I've been unclear about what the Motif-Design task entails.
I think I've done a better job explaining it on the wiki 
(http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif) than I have on this list.


So if anyone else was also wondering what a Motif is, it's basically a 
decorative visual element, usually quite abstract (curves, patterns, 
colour-combinations, shapes, textures, or a combination of all).
It usually gets used as subtle background elements in a Design 
composition, or as recurring content-separators.
This is what Wikipedia thinks it is; 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motif_%28visual_arts%29
More to the point, here is what a leading branding agency made when 
decorating a plane;

http://landor.com/index.cfm?do=ourwork.casehistorycn=6147source=enewsutm_source=mailerutm_medium=emailutm_content=wv1utm_campaign=SuperBowl2011bhcp=1
(The ribbon that spans the plane is their motif, a very sophisticated 
way of saying smooth ride don't you think? =)


Essentially what we're aiming for is to create a pleasant vector graphic 
that is so subtle that it can occupy empty space in an elegant way.
*Sometimes it will be directly behind text so it needs to be 
low-contrast and low on noise (not very intricate or busy).*


You have probably seen vector-flowers or inward-curling leaf/vine 
shapes. Here is a typical example;

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/8603944/2/istockphoto_8603944-decorative-swirl-motifs.jpg

While flowers are nice, they don't say very much about Open source 
software right? =)
So our goal is to come up with a theme, such as freedom, 
collaboration, or independence and create an abstract representation of 
that, which we can use as a basis for ... well ... everything!;
posters, banners, web-pages, business cards, CDs/DVDs, your slow-moving 
grandma, whatever really! =)


It is hard to create visual representations of intangible concepts, but 
that is our challenge.
I'll collect and summarise the feedback from the brainstorming phase 
tomorrow and present it to this list.

So if you want to add your two cents, feel free to dive in any time.

Hope that makes it a smidgeon more clear for everyone who wasn't too 
sure what I was jabbering on about.
And thanks for bravely piping-up and letting me know I hadn't defined 
the task to a wider audience Jaron!
Right now we need ideas, and once we've gathered some good ones up, we 
can start sketching.


By the way, if you're looking for a simply AWESOME implementation of a 
logo-brand turned into a motif (and everything else), look no further 
than Duffy  Partner's Bahamas campaign;

http://sublimedesign.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/1273.jpg

Hope that clarifies and inspires =)
-Nik


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice] [PUSHED] fdo#31251 - Improve default page layout

2011-03-05 Thread Andrew
On 05/03/11 11:44, Sébastien Le Ray wrote:
 Le Fri, 4 Mar 2011 21:36:19 +,
 Daniel Merker daniel.mer...@wayne.edu a écrit :
 
 Hi,

 Just a thought. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the background be
 the primary color of that application. For example, the Writer would
 have a blue tinted background with a shadow (I like the shadow on all
 sides), and Impress would have an organge tinted background with the
 same shadow around the slide. This should help tie in the color theme
 and help build on a general motif.

 -Daniel Merker

 
 Hi,
 
 The background color of the application can already be customized
 through preferences...
 
 regards
 
 Sébastien
 

I like the suggestion of changing the background colour with application
(i.e. blue for writer) and having that with the 'four border' shadow.

Like this - http://ubuntuone.com/p/gEg/


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RE: [libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice] [PUSHED] fdo#31251 - Improve default page layout

2011-03-05 Thread Daniel Merker
Hi,

This is what I meant. The default of LibreOffice should be done like this.



From: Andrew [rugby...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 12:59 PM
To: design@libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice] [PUSHED] fdo#31251 -
Improve default page layout

On 05/03/11 11:44, Sébastien Le Ray wrote:
 Le Fri, 4 Mar 2011 21:36:19 +,
 Daniel Merker daniel.mer...@wayne.edu a écrit :

 Hi,

 Just a thought. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the background be
 the primary color of that application. For example, the Writer would
 have a blue tinted background with a shadow (I like the shadow on all
 sides), and Impress would have an organge tinted background with the
 same shadow around the slide. This should help tie in the color theme
 and help build on a general motif.

 -Daniel Merker


 Hi,

 The background color of the application can already be customized
 through preferences...

 regards

 Sébastien


I like the suggestion of changing the background colour with application
(i.e. blue for writer) and having that with the 'four border' shadow.

Like this - http://ubuntuone.com/p/gEg/


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice] [PUSHED] fdo#31251 - Improve default page layout

2011-03-05 Thread Sébastien Le Ray
Le Sat, 5 Mar 2011 18:56:45 +,
Daniel Merker daniel.mer...@wayne.edu a écrit :

 Hi,
 
 This is what I meant. The default of LibreOffice should be done like
 this.
 

Hi,

So you just want to change default values for apps, that's it?

I've he

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Issue created fdo#35046 (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Replace the quickstarter icon (Linux system tray icon) ?)

2011-03-05 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi again,

okay - it seems that the system choses the wrong icon if the Tango icon
style is used. For Galaxy (pre-selected on my system) it works just
fine.

I've created an issue for that:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35046

Thanks for reporting :-)

Cheers,
Christoph

Am Samstag, den 05.03.2011, 21:37 +0800 schrieb minhsien0330:
 Hi Christoph,
 I uploaded a here.png file to show the a circle with two birds.
 https://sites.google.com/site/minhsien0330/test/here.png
 
 Thanks,
 Minhsien0330
 
 2011/3/5 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com
 
  Hi Minhsien0330 (???),
 
  at least my system [1] features the Document Symbol for the
  Quickstarter. Can you provide some more information, please?
 
  Cheers,
  Christoph
 
  [1] LibreOffice 3.3.1, OOO330m19 (Build:8)
  tag libreoffice-3.3.1.2, Ubuntu package 1:3.3.1-1ubuntu3~lucid2
 
 
 



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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft

2011-03-05 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Nik!

Am Samstag, den 05.03.2011, 03:33 +1100 schrieb Nik:
 Hi Design!
 
 2 more days to go until the brainstorming of motif ideas is over and 
 we begin design proposals (on Monday).
 Head over to this page for more information;
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif

I still try to figure out how to catch up with some of the older
tasks ... if I won't manage that (well), I'll simply upload what I have
tomorrow evening (my time).

 On 2/28/2011 10:45 AM, Christoph Noack wrote:
...
  Am Sonntag, den 27.02.2011, 22:36 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
...
  http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/11/libreoffice-33-artwork-improvements.html
 I'm glad to include these on the page, but we should expect that these 
 previous elements will have no significant bearing on the Motif 
 yet-to-be-designed.

 I don't like carrying-over elements just because they have been used, I 
 think it would be better to craft new elements from scratch with clear 
 purpose+intentions+context from the beginning.

True, but I hope that gives an impression what we've used so far - maybe
it is inspiring - maybe not :-) I still like it somehow, since the
show-to-the-upper-right triangle (whether it is varied in size, color,
position) is still a strong link to the Document Symbol. And,
personally, it does have some meaning for me (progress, freedom,
direction, guidance).

See you tomorrow ...

Cheers,
Christoph


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Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo

2011-03-05 Thread Rob Cummings
I tried to edit the wiki on my phone, but it just wasn't working out.
Anyway...

My vote: Right.  I'm not crazy about the extended f crossbar or the
right-angle shape the crossbar makes with the i.  I appreciate the effort
and hope this isn't the end of this conversation.  The logo should change as
the project does. I'm just not convinced this idea is ready for use quite
yet.
On Mar 4, 2011 12:52 PM, Johannes Bausch johannes.bau...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Hey,

 okay, I've tried to set up a voting page for us, see here:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Joey/Ligatures

 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Joey/LigaturesDo you all have
 write access to this page? I am not that experienced with wikis.

 @Bernhard: I've shifted the i more to the left. I've also redone the
visual
 kerning for some of the letters; have a look at the scaled-down versions,
it
 should look more even now.

 @all: It would be great if you voted on the wiki or here on the mailing
 list. Even if you disapprove of this poll it would be great to get some
more
 opinions on this; so far it's only five people who talk about it.

 Thanks,
 Joey

 PS: I'll be away until Wednesday next week.

 2011/3/2 Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at

 Hi Joey, all,

 replying to both of your mails, so please scroll down until the end...

 Johannes Bausch schrieb:

 Hey,

 to gather some more opinions I thought it would be a good idea to have a
 poll somewhere else, so I asked people in a forum to cast their vote.
 Although I don't know whether this was a good idea (not really
 representative, game design forum, so people might be programmers) I
 thought
 you might be interested in the results:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Poll.png


 It's impossible to see the different alternatives, because at my computer
 the background is nearly black.

 Ii updated the image with a slightly lighter grey background, so you can
 see the different alternatives, but keep the white text of the poll
results.

 Apparently noone likes the
 too fancy ligatures. Most people also complained about the logo in
 general,
 so I tried to explain why this is (and remains, for now) the logo of
LibO.
 If you're interested in the comments, too, I'll send you the link.
 So... in the next days I'll make some final drafts and put up a voting
 page.
 If you have some final ideas please tell me.


 People seem to like the last alternative (with f bow bent towards the
i
 dot) as much as the original.

 Even if this is far from being representative, I'd like to see a
finalized
 version of this proposal.

 Could you improve this by moving the i nearer to the f? I don't think
 that equal spacing for the dot between f and i looks best...

 Perhaps a combination of your third an my proposal?


 Greetings,
 Joey

 2011/3/2 Johannes Bauschjohannes.bau...@gmail.com

 Hey Bernhard,

 2011/3/2 Bernhard Dippoldbernh...@familie-dippold.at

 In your reply to my last mail I understood you in a way that you wanted
 to

 work on a new proposal.

 I added a third alternative (which I don't like very much). The logos
 on my
 page are only drafts; if we decide on one of them, I'll spend more time
 on
 it. At the moment I don't have another idea how to deal with the
ligature
 -
 do you? I'd be more than glad to try another one.


 Like your poll members I like this proposal best, but it needs some more
 tweaking (I mentioned above).

 I don't think that there are so many alternatives to modify the two f
and
 the i, so I don't have any other reliable alternative in mind.



 [...]


 But what we need to keep in mind: Changes being recognized by the
average

 user / viewer will more likely be postponed until a new major or minor
 version
 than modifications leading only to a more balanced, professional and
 consistent visual impression.

 +1, I agree.


 In my eyes proposals (c) and (d) might fall in the balanced category,
 while (a) and (b) would be more recognizable as modified details.

 Who has the final word on that?


 The SC, but they probably support a decision by the Design Team.

 Best regards

 Bernhard

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Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Icons

2011-03-05 Thread Paulo José

Hi all!

I have been away from these discussions, just reading and not 
participating, but here is one more contribution.


http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Toolbar-Mimetype-Icons.svg

These are the Tango-inspired version of the Mimetype icons for toolbar 
usage.  I'd like to know your opinion/criticism/suggestions.. :-)


About size, they are 24px + 2px (1px empty border) = 26px. I don't know 
if it's the only needed size... Can anyone talk more about it? And also, 
are more icons needed?


A great Sunday to you guys,
~Paulo


On 10-02-2011 05:20, Christoph Noack wrote:

Hi Thorsten!

Am Donnerstag, den 10.02.2011, 08:15 +0100 schrieb Thorsten Behrens:

Christoph Noack wrote:

But, here comes the question to a new toto item - Thorsten: Kendy
mentioned yesterday that some icons might be missing. Is it right that
we lack toolbar icons for (e.g.) the File-New-Dropdown? If yes, what
size is required here?


Nope, we have those.

Phew. :-)


According to the Galaxy icon set page, it should be 26x26 - can you
confirm?

http://ui.openoffice.org/VisualDesign/OOo_galaxy.html


Heh, no friggin' idea - but yeah, that page says: small size (16 x
16 pixel), large size (26 x 26 pixel), high contrast version of all
icons. ;)

More importantly, as prompted by Kendy, the Tango icon set has the
following style guide (excerpt from
http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines - that has
many more info for keeping a homogeneous design):

That's true, and I regularly work with the Tango Icons. The question is,
whether Tango will be the choice for us, since it still lacks a lot of
specialized icons (Galaxy works better here). And, if we are sure that
it works well on all platforms ... if yes, then we might go for that
style atm.

And, it can be guessed some the Tango icons (a fraction) will change
soon, since they are currently re-done with a new styling.


Large:   48×48
Medium:  32x32
Small:   22×22 pixels - blow up to 24×24 by adding a 1 pixel
  empty space on all sides
Extra Small: 16×16 pixels

(A RC1 preview download for Mac, with the new icons, is available
here:
http://download.go-oo.org/thb/libreoffice/mac/LibO_3.3.1rc1_MacOS_x86_install_en-US.dmg)

I can join the campaign I miss a Mac - so if anybody here (but you
Thorsten, you have to care about other things *g*) has a Mac, it would
be great to see a screenshot - just for fun.


Cheers,

-- Thorsten

Have a nice day!

Christoph




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Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-03-05 Thread Paulo José

Hi Christoph, Jaron, all,

On 05-03-2011 19:45, Christoph Noack wrote:

Some weeks ago ... sorry for the long delay :-\

Well, you certainly had good reasons! I myself forgot this threat... .


Thank you so much, Paulo. Personally, I think the Style 1 (upper
right) works best. The main reason is, that the shape of the document is
preserved well - although the icon is so tiny. And, the star seems to
appear quite balanced in this version.


This is my preferred version too. It is the first I did, and it makes 
difficult to create the other ones - so they are not that good.



I first worried about the orange color, because usually yellow is used
for indicating new. But of course - yellow is (given the constraints)
almost invisible, so orange seems a great compromise.
Exactly. The yeallow was my first try... An unproductive try to be 
clear. :-(



[...]So, if somebody wants to have a look at it - I've created an example by
adding Paulo's icon to a simple status bar image:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tLL1kYfD-fNZ8d5wkSzydA?feat=directlink
Oh, it's very cool! :D Just now I'm perceiving the document symbol 
could be a bit more darker... Maybe it's just a wrong perception of 
mine, but it looks almost like a disabled item. Don't you think that? :-/



Any further thoughts? To me, it's already an improvement - so I'm happy
to export the icons and create an issue for that.

Thank you! I'm very glad to know that! :-D


By the way, I hope everybody noticed the interview with Paulo - I
discovered more or less accidentally :-)
http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/03/04/interview-with-paulo-jose-o-amaro/
It's a actual pleasure for me be in a TDF's interview! :-D. Thank you 
for sharing it to all.



Have a nice Sunday,
~Paulo

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