Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus

2011-09-24 Thread Andrew Pullins

 I'm calling fizz the floatbar now[...]


aww I liked fizz, but what ever.


 BTW, the floatbar doesn't need Visible buttons and Customize Fizz
 buttons [...] Customization of both the toolbar and the floatbar would be
 done either through drag-and-drop from/to
 the ellipsis menu or in Options.


I was unaware of your idea to be able to drag and drop. my thought with this
was to have the visible buttons be like they are when you click on the down
arrows at the end of a tool bar that we have now, that would you would be
able to check and uncheck items that would be in the floatbar.

as for the customize floatbar, I just though sence you are in the floatbars'
ellipsis menu it would be nice to have a menu item that would direct you to
the floatbars' customize section in options. instead of going to view
 customize interface  floatbar  text/table/picture floatbar and then
customizing the floatbar. with customize being in the ellipsis menu you
could jump straight to customizing the bar.

my brother absolutly hates the curent floatbar like menu that LibO has
now. his frustration is that it gets in the way and is not helpful at all.
most of the time the curent menu is placed infrunt of what you
are manipulating (e.g. text, tables, bullets/numbering). you have made this
better by making it pop up above the thing your are manipulating. I saw that
M$ Office has another interesting solution that I wanted to know what you
thought of it. in M$O there is a radius around the menu in which if you go
out of the circle the menu diapers and when you get closer to it reapers.



 I'd keep comments inline, like now, separate from the Navigator. Navigator
 should present a quickly browseable list of comments.


im trying to understand what you are talking about here.  I read in your
blog that there wold be comments in the navigator, though may be you were
talking about something else[1]. my idea for the comment system would react
much as it does not being inline. I just used the navigator to show them. as
you scroll up and down your page so would the comments in the navigator.
 this way you could collapse your comments, because some times when editing
a document the comments get annoying.

I just added a previous, next, and ellpsis to my mock up[2].

Nice -- adds consistency (my original plan was to have Add page just
 insert a page, but that really would be inconsistent).


that was my thought when I saw it in the mock up.


 I tweaked it a bit -- removed the section break bit, since it's really a
 button just for a new
 page (page break)[...]


while with your context idea, a section break may not make seance in this
menu. but if you know the awesomeness of a section break, I think that this
should stay. may be add just section break back in as a check box so
that unchecked would be just page brake. so you would have it just be in the
insert menu. I think that this should be placed back in just as a quick
section brake. besides most people will continue pressing return as a page
brake and may only click on the add page button if they want to add some new
page style.


 [...], and the header/footer bit, since that should be addable
 just by (double?)-clicking in the general header/footer area (this bit of
 behavior isn't in LibO yet).


I like double clicking to create header/footer's in M$O and hope it gets
included in future versions of LibO.  but if you agree with me in retearning
section brake to this menu then a quick Header/Footer option would be
great.


 Plus I added a Page number item.


what would this do? add page multiple pages of what ever the user chooses as
the page layout.

 Some notes: the function toolbar shouldn't really contain a box for
 symbols. The main toolbar is really just a single-line thing. Plus, symbols
 should be inserted through the insertbar (the toolbox on the left) or
 through InsertSpecial character.


well when you are creating a formula you would need to keep all these things
together. to have them in separate would be quite annoying.  I agree that
there should be a special character in the Insert menu. to have a separate
insertbar for Special characters would not make since, if we where to keep
it in the formula bar.

Great -- I'm happy to have someone excited about this project.
 I'm just wondering whether it will have any impact, whether this will
 really
 be worked on...


I'm happy just to be working with you on this. I have been wanting to
improve the UI for some time, and I did not know how to get a hold of you.
 this better make an impact, if the UI does not change soon(as in yesterday)
there is no point in doing any of this. banners, webdesign, icons all of the
this stuff the design team is pointless unless people are atracced to the
Office suite and want to use it. we have a better Office suite but it looks
like crap right now, and people wont give it a second glance because of this
even if the suite is free or not. we need to get the Dev team working in our
direction, if we 

Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus

2011-09-24 Thread Andrew Pullins
Mirek,

why did you switch the order in the text bar. the font name, font size,
Bold, Italic are now on the right of right justify, center, left
justify, Justify (and for calc top, center, down).

just wondering.
Andrew

2011/9/24 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com

  I'm calling fizz the floatbar now[...]


 aww I liked fizz, but what ever.


  BTW, the floatbar doesn't need Visible buttons and Customize Fizz
 buttons [...] Customization of both the toolbar and the floatbar would be
 done either through drag-and-drop from/to
 the ellipsis menu or in Options.


 I was unaware of your idea to be able to drag and drop. my thought with
 this was to have the visible buttons be like they are when you click on the
 down arrows at the end of a tool bar that we have now, that would you would
 be able to check and uncheck items that would be in the floatbar.

 as for the customize floatbar, I just though sence you are in the
 floatbars' ellipsis menu it would be nice to have a menu item that would
 direct you to the floatbars' customize section in options. instead of going
 to view  customize interface  floatbar  text/table/picture floatbar and
 then customizing the floatbar. with customize being in the ellipsis menu you
 could jump straight to customizing the bar.

 my brother absolutly hates the curent floatbar like menu that LibO has
 now. his frustration is that it gets in the way and is not helpful at all.
 most of the time the curent menu is placed infrunt of what you
 are manipulating (e.g. text, tables, bullets/numbering). you have made this
 better by making it pop up above the thing your are manipulating. I saw that
 M$ Office has another interesting solution that I wanted to know what you
 thought of it. in M$O there is a radius around the menu in which if you go
 out of the circle the menu diapers and when you get closer to it reapers.



 I'd keep comments inline, like now, separate from the Navigator. Navigator
 should present a quickly browseable list of comments.


 im trying to understand what you are talking about here.  I read in your
 blog that there wold be comments in the navigator, though may be you were
 talking about something else[1]. my idea for the comment system would react
 much as it does not being inline. I just used the navigator to show them. as
 you scroll up and down your page so would the comments in the navigator.
  this way you could collapse your comments, because some times when editing
 a document the comments get annoying.

 I just added a previous, next, and ellpsis to my mock up[2].

 Nice -- adds consistency (my original plan was to have Add page just
 insert a page, but that really would be inconsistent).


 that was my thought when I saw it in the mock up.


  I tweaked it a bit -- removed the section break bit, since it's really
 a button just for a new
 page (page break)[...]


 while with your context idea, a section break may not make seance in this
 menu. but if you know the awesomeness of a section break, I think that this
 should stay. may be add just section break back in as a check box so
 that unchecked would be just page brake. so you would have it just be in the
 insert menu. I think that this should be placed back in just as a quick
 section brake. besides most people will continue pressing return as a page
 brake and may only click on the add page button if they want to add some new
 page style.


 [...], and the header/footer bit, since that should be addable
 just by (double?)-clicking in the general header/footer area (this bit of
 behavior isn't in LibO yet).


 I like double clicking to create header/footer's in M$O and hope it gets
 included in future versions of LibO.  but if you agree with me in retearning
 section brake to this menu then a quick Header/Footer option would be
 great.


 Plus I added a Page number item.


 what would this do? add page multiple pages of what ever the user chooses
 as the page layout.

  Some notes: the function toolbar shouldn't really contain a box for
 symbols. The main toolbar is really just a single-line thing. Plus,
 symbols
 should be inserted through the insertbar (the toolbox on the left) or
 through InsertSpecial character.


 well when you are creating a formula you would need to keep all these
 things together. to have them in separate would be quite annoying.  I agree
 that there should be a special character in the Insert menu. to have a
 separate insertbar for Special characters would not make since, if we where
 to keep it in the formula bar.

 Great -- I'm happy to have someone excited about this project.
 I'm just wondering whether it will have any impact, whether this will
 really
 be worked on...


 I'm happy just to be working with you on this. I have been wanting to
 improve the UI for some time, and I did not know how to get a hold of you.
  this better make an impact, if the UI does not change soon(as in yesterday)
 there is no point in doing any of this. banners, webdesign, icons all 

Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar

2011-09-24 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi all,

just wanted to make you aware that the Saving Information icon by
Paulo have been nicely integrated into LibreOffice (just checked in a
daily build).

Speaking for the Design Team, thanks to Dmitry for taking care! :-)
Especially since the other developers mentioned that it was quite some
work - code wise.

More information: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39430

Cheers,
Christoph

PS: Dmitry, sorry for sending it a second time ... the first time I sent
it to the old ML address.


Am Montag, den 14.03.2011, 21:59 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack:
 Hi Kohei, Paulo, all!
 
 Am Montag, den 14.03.2011, 13:26 -0400 schrieb Kohei Yoshida:
  Hi Christoph,
  
  On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 13:23 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote:
   Kohei, would it make sense to turn this into an easy hack?
 
 [...]
 
  Yes.  Feel free to put this into easy hack.  I'll fill in the missing
  bits (Skills etc) later.  But let's put this up on the page first.
 
 Thank you! I was a bit hesitant to change something on my own on that
 page ... :-)
 
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks#Improving_Saving_Information_Icon_in_the_Status_Bar
 
 Paulo, I felt free to add a link to your recent blog posting describing
 the idea. I think it's very helpful for people to look at the images
 instead reading my boring description (only).
 
 Cheers,
 Christoph
 
 




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Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?

2011-09-24 Thread Italo Vignoli
Christoph Noack wrote:

 May I state a few proposals? I'd remove the text on the cake, because it
 is a bit hard to read (and it would move the focus to the 1). Maybe
 some tiny triangles can resemble colored sugar decoration? Last: the
 chocolate look quite realistic, but very dark ... might a lighter color
 (LibO Orange +1) help here?

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spring out more neatly, but I leave this to the experts.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?

2011-09-24 Thread Aleksandar Dev
Ok, thanks. I will make changes you and Christoph asked and will update
page with new design.

Cheers,
Aleksandar

2011/9/24 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com

 Christoph Noack wrote:

  May I state a few proposals? I'd remove the text on the cake, because it
  is a bit hard to read (and it would move the focus to the 1). Maybe
  some tiny triangles can resemble colored sugar decoration? Last: the
  chocolate look quite realistic, but very dark ... might a lighter color
  (LibO Orange +1) help here?

 I like the banner, and I agree on the text on the cake which is hard to
 read. I prefer the white background as I think that the cake and the 1
 spring out more neatly, but I leave this to the experts.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Flying the ship...

2011-09-24 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Ivan, hi Bernhard, all!

Am Mittwoch, den 21.09.2011, 21:20 +1200 schrieb Ivan M.:
 Hi Bernhard, all,
 
 On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Bernhard Dippold
 bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
   [...]
  In case there are no objections and no need for more discussion I'd like to
  start the voting on Thursday (if I'll find the time...)
 
 I don't think you have to worry about finding the time since it seems
 we are already voting!
 
 +1 from me too - welcome back, Christoph!

Well, where to start? 

First, thank you all for the kind welcome back messages. Next, it
feels very good to see all your support concerning the Lead for User
Experience as Bernhard phrased it.

So why might this be useful? I hope I can provide advises concerning the
cooperation within LibreOffice, since I had plenty of opportunities to
talk (or argue *g*) with people across the project. It would be good to
resolve one of the biggest issues I see so far: knowing what is
important/needed, and turning that into visible results. But this
really needs your help ... and your questions.

Next, I hope to bring in my UX experience both from OpenOffice.org and
my day job (I'm doing that for a living, but for different products).
That includes to - together - think about what we want to achieve ...
our strategy. We have so many exciting activities at the moment (e.g.
the recent Writer changes, Björn's research work, ...). And so many good
ideas, some already a bit lost in the mail archive :-\ 

However, my question to Bernhard - when do we consider the voting as
finished? If I remember correctly, Nik summarized the for/against
votes after a few days ... assuming that everybody had a fair chance.
So, please guys, add your opinion / vote ...

Have a nice day!

Christoph

PS: We have some people visiting us ... I think I'll be online again
tomorrow.


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Flying the ship...

2011-09-24 Thread Aleksandar Dev
+1. Congrats Christoph ;)

2011/9/24 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com

 Hi Ivan, hi Bernhard, all!

 Am Mittwoch, den 21.09.2011, 21:20 +1200 schrieb Ivan M.:
  Hi Bernhard, all,
 
  On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Bernhard Dippold
  bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
[...]
   In case there are no objections and no need for more discussion I'd
 like to
   start the voting on Thursday (if I'll find the time...)
 
  I don't think you have to worry about finding the time since it seems
  we are already voting!
 
  +1 from me too - welcome back, Christoph!

 Well, where to start?

 First, thank you all for the kind welcome back messages. Next, it
 feels very good to see all your support concerning the Lead for User
 Experience as Bernhard phrased it.

 So why might this be useful? I hope I can provide advises concerning the
 cooperation within LibreOffice, since I had plenty of opportunities to
 talk (or argue *g*) with people across the project. It would be good to
 resolve one of the biggest issues I see so far: knowing what is
 important/needed, and turning that into visible results. But this
 really needs your help ... and your questions.

 Next, I hope to bring in my UX experience both from OpenOffice.org and
 my day job (I'm doing that for a living, but for different products).
 That includes to - together - think about what we want to achieve ...
 our strategy. We have so many exciting activities at the moment (e.g.
 the recent Writer changes, Björn's research work, ...). And so many good
 ideas, some already a bit lost in the mail archive :-\

 However, my question to Bernhard - when do we consider the voting as
 finished? If I remember correctly, Nik summarized the for/against
 votes after a few days ... assuming that everybody had a fair chance.
 So, please guys, add your opinion / vote ...

 Have a nice day!

 Christoph

 PS: We have some people visiting us ... I think I'll be online again
 tomorrow.


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[libreoffice-design] [VOTE] Christoph Noack as Design Team Lead focusing on UX (was: Flying the ship...)

2011-09-24 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Christoph, all

 I already wrote a (inrelation to my other mails) short posting to this list,
but my Internet connection here at work killed it instead of sending,
so I can use this reply as formal starting point to an official voting.

(and as my mail client is used to break threads, I can start a new one)

Christoph Noack wrote:
 [...] it feels very good to see all your support concerning the Lead for 
 User Experience as Bernhard phrased it.
 
 So why might this be useful? 
 [... please read Christoph's mail [1] for details...]
 
 However, my question to Bernhard - when do we consider the voting as
 finished? If I remember correctly, Nik summarized the for/against
 votes after a few days ... assuming that everybody had a fair chance.
 So, please guys, add your opinion / vote ...

Up to now several Design Team members posted their opinion:

Björn Balasz (+1)
Sabin Densmore (+1)
Kévin Peignot (+1)
Alexander Wilms (+1)
Charles-H. Schulz (congratulations - don't konw if for the Lead position)
Ivan Miskovic (+1)
Tobias Bernard (+1)
Rafael Rocha Daud (+1)
Aleksandar Dev (+1)

Every other Design Team member: Please cast your vote!
(Just add your name and +1 or -1 in a reply to this mail)


I think three more days will be enough for all the people not knowing
that a thread of flying ships will help us with a more structured positioning
inside and outside the LibreOffice community.

Thus I'd like to close the voting on Tuesday 27th of September - allowing our
website [2] to be updated on our first anniversary on Wednesday.

And by the way - please have a look at the Team page [3] decide if you want
to add or update your profiles...

Best regards

Bernhard

[1]: http://www.mail-archive.com/design@global.libreoffice.org/msg03081.html
[2]: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design#Disciplines
[3]: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Team




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[libreoffice-design] Issue with new bug reporting assistant

2011-09-24 Thread Alexander Wilms

Hi all,

I just noticed that when I open 
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/, Firefox shows the message 
'This connection isn't trusted'.


bugassistant.libreoffice.org verwendet ein ungültiges 
Sicherheitszertifikat.


Das Zertifikat gilt nur für folgende Namen:
  *.documentfoundation.org , documentfoundation.org

(Fehlercode: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)

English:

bugassistant.libreoffice uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is only valid for these names:
  *.documentfoundation.org , documentfoundation.org

(Errorcode: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)

This could put off users. Could you try to resolve this issue?

Kind Regards

Alex





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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] Christoph Noack as Design Team Lead focusing on UX (was: Flying the ship...)

2011-09-24 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Bernhard,

As I don't consider myself to be part of the team I didn't but if you ask me
, +1 for Christoph.

Best ,

Charles.
Le 24 sept. 2011 17:32, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at a
écrit :
 Hi Christoph, all

 I already wrote a (inrelation to my other mails) short posting to this
list,
 but my Internet connection here at work killed it instead of sending,
 so I can use this reply as formal starting point to an official voting.

 (and as my mail client is used to break threads, I can start a new one)

 Christoph Noack wrote:
 [...] it feels very good to see all your support concerning the Lead for

 User Experience as Bernhard phrased it.

 So why might this be useful?
 [... please read Christoph's mail [1] for details...]

 However, my question to Bernhard - when do we consider the voting as
 finished? If I remember correctly, Nik summarized the for/against
 votes after a few days ... assuming that everybody had a fair chance.
 So, please guys, add your opinion / vote ...

 Up to now several Design Team members posted their opinion:

 Björn Balasz (+1)
 Sabin Densmore (+1)
 Kévin Peignot (+1)
 Alexander Wilms (+1)
 Charles-H. Schulz (congratulations - don't konw if for the Lead position)
 Ivan Miskovic (+1)
 Tobias Bernard (+1)
 Rafael Rocha Daud (+1)
 Aleksandar Dev (+1)

 Every other Design Team member: Please cast your vote!
 (Just add your name and +1 or -1 in a reply to this mail)


 I think three more days will be enough for all the people not knowing
 that a thread of flying ships will help us with a more structured
positioning
 inside and outside the LibreOffice community.

 Thus I'd like to close the voting on Tuesday 27th of September - allowing
our
 website [2] to be updated on our first anniversary on Wednesday.

 And by the way - please have a look at the Team page [3] decide if you
want
 to add or update your profiles...

 Best regards

 Bernhard

 [1]:
http://www.mail-archive.com/design@global.libreoffice.org/msg03081.html
 [2]: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design#Disciplines
 [3]: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Team




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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] Christoph Noack as Design Team Lead focusing on UX

2011-09-24 Thread Sveinn í Felli

+1

Sveinn í Felli
(unfortunately a rather passive design-team follower)

Þann lau 24.sep 2011 15:32, skrifaði Bernhard Dippold:

Hi Christoph, all

  I already wrote a (inrelation to my other mails) short posting to this list,
but my Internet connection here at work killed it instead of sending,
so I can use this reply as formal starting point to an official voting.

(and as my mail client is used to break threads, I can start a new one)

Christoph Noack wrote:

[...] it feels very good to see all your support concerning the Lead for
User Experience as Bernhard phrased it.

So why might this be useful?
[... please read Christoph's mail [1] for details...]

However, my question to Bernhard - when do we consider the voting as
finished? If I remember correctly, Nik summarized the for/against
votes after a few days ... assuming that everybody had a fair chance.
So, please guys, add your opinion / vote ...


Up to now several Design Team members posted their opinion:

Björn Balasz (+1)
Sabin Densmore (+1)
Kévin Peignot (+1)
Alexander Wilms (+1)
Charles-H. Schulz (congratulations - don't konw if for the Lead position)
Ivan Miskovic (+1)
Tobias Bernard (+1)
Rafael Rocha Daud (+1)
Aleksandar Dev (+1)

Every other Design Team member: Please cast your vote!
(Just add your name and +1 or -1 in a reply to this mail)


I think three more days will be enough for all the people not knowing
that a thread of flying ships will help us with a more structured positioning
inside and outside the LibreOffice community.

Thus I'd like to close the voting on Tuesday 27th of September - allowing our
website [2] to be updated on our first anniversary on Wednesday.

And by the way - please have a look at the Team page [3] decide if you want
to add or update your profiles...

Best regards

Bernhard

[1]: http://www.mail-archive.com/design@global.libreoffice.org/msg03081.html
[2]: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design#Disciplines
[3]: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Team







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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: About the Navigator

2011-09-24 Thread RGB ES
2011/9/24 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com

 Hi Ricardo, hi Frank!

 Am Freitag, den 23.09.2011, 23:38 +0200 schrieb RGB ES:
  2011/9/23 frankt f.inter...@esprit-ouvert.org
 
   Hi all,
  
   Is the discussion or proposal closed?
 
   AFAIK, the discussion is not closed. Maybe forgotten, but not closed ;)

 Yep, I think so, too. Do you know whether there is any bug report about
 that behavior, so that we can add the discussion results that time?


Well, I filled these ones (they are linked on a previous message):

[UI]Change behaviour for tree view on Writer's Navigator
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36308

[UI]Better interface for Navigator's tree-view
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36309

[EDITING]Insert cross-reference drag-n-drop mode for navigator
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36310

The first one talks about the usability problems with LibO's Navigator, the
second one is about Cristoph's mock-up and the third one is just a golden
dream... :)

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Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?

2011-09-24 Thread Aleksandar
I updated my wiki page with new design for cake : Cake4
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See#Our_first_anniversary
Hope you like it.
Cheers,
Aleksandar

2011/9/24 Aleksandar Dev devaleksan...@gmail.com

 Ok, thanks. I will make changes you and Christoph asked and will update
 page with new design.

 Cheers,
 Aleksandar


 2011/9/24 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com

 Christoph Noack wrote:

  May I state a few proposals? I'd remove the text on the cake, because it
  is a bit hard to read (and it would move the focus to the 1). Maybe
  some tiny triangles can resemble colored sugar decoration? Last: the
  chocolate look quite realistic, but very dark ... might a lighter color
  (LibO Orange +1) help here?

 I like the banner, and I agree on the text on the cake which is hard to
 read. I prefer the white background as I think that the cake and the 1
 spring out more neatly, but I leave this to the experts.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] Christoph Noack as Design Team Lead focusing on UX

2011-09-24 Thread Helio S. Ferreira

Hi all,

+1

Helio

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Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus

2011-09-24 Thread Mirek M.
2011/9/24 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com

 
  I'm calling fizz the floatbar now[...]


 aww I liked fizz, but what ever.


:) Yeah, me too, but this is for clarity's sake.


  BTW, the floatbar doesn't need Visible buttons and Customize Fizz
  buttons [...] Customization of both the toolbar and the floatbar would be
  done either through drag-and-drop from/to
  the ellipsis menu or in Options.


 I was unaware of your idea to be able to drag and drop. my thought with
 this
 was to have the visible buttons be like they are when you click on the down
 arrows at the end of a tool bar that we have now, that would you would be
 able to check and uncheck items that would be in the floatbar.


 as for the customize floatbar, I just though sence you are in the
 floatbars'
 ellipsis menu it would be nice to have a menu item that would direct you to
 the floatbars' customize section in options. instead of going to view
  customize interface  floatbar  text/table/picture floatbar and then
 customizing the floatbar. with customize being in the ellipsis menu you
 could jump straight to customizing the bar.


I understand what you mean, but, really, customization of bars is not
something that the user should do often -- I really want there to be as
little need for customization as possible (and if there's need, then it
should be a one-time thing). The drag-and-drop functionality is there if a
user needs to use a command or two a bit more often than usual, but of
course it's not suited for large-scale customization.

So the reason why the Customize button is not there is simply because,
just like Open or Print as PDF, this is not a button you should click
often during a document session. If this button was really needed, then
there would be something with the interface, since it wouldn't be smooth.


 my brother absolutly hates the curent floatbar like menu that LibO has
 now. his frustration is that it gets in the way and is not helpful at all.
 most of the time the curent menu is placed infrunt of what you
 are manipulating (e.g. text, tables, bullets/numbering).

Exactly -- that's been my experience too.

 you have made this
 better by making it pop up above the thing your are manipulating. I saw
 that
 M$ Office has another interesting solution that I wanted to know what you
 thought of it. in M$O there is a radius around the menu in which if you go
 out of the circle the menu diapers and when you get closer to it reapers.


I know about this, but I don't really see the advantage of it. I actually
think it's more of a distraction than a feature (I used to spend some time
just moving the cursor to and fro when trying it out).


  I'd keep comments inline, like now, separate from the Navigator.
 Navigator
  should present a quickly browseable list of comments.


 im trying to understand what you are talking about here.  I read in your
 blog that there wold be comments in the navigator, though may be you were
 talking about something else[1].


Actually, I think I was thinking about something exactly like you mocked up
back then, but then I changed my mind. I think comments should be inline
because they move with the document and they pertain to the content in the
document. Navigator's role was always just to provide a quick summary of all
the stuff in the document, whether it be headings or images, and it should
do the same for comments.


 my idea for the comment system would react
 much as it does not being inline. I just used the navigator to show them.
 as
 you scroll up and down your page so would the comments in the navigator.
  this way you could collapse your comments, because some times when editing
 a document the comments get annoying.

We could simply add a collapse/show icon to the comment sidebar.




 I just added a previous, next, and ellpsis to my mock up[2].

 Nice -- adds consistency (my original plan was to have Add page just
  insert a page, but that really would be inconsistent).


 that was my thought when I saw it in the mock up.


  I tweaked it a bit -- removed the section break bit, since it's really
 a
  button just for a new
  page (page break)[...]


 while with your context idea, a section break may not make seance in this
 menu. but if you know the awesomeness of a section break, I think that this
 should stay. may be add just section break back in as a check box so
 that unchecked would be just page brake. so you would have it just be in
 the
 insert menu. I think that this should be placed back in just as a quick
 section brake. besides most people will continue pressing return as a page
 brake and may only click on the add page button if they want to add some
 new
 page style.


Alternatively, Add page could be moved to the left and there could be a
new Add section button on the right.



  [...], and the header/footer bit, since that should be addable
  just by (double?)-clicking in the general header/footer area (this bit of
  behavior isn't in LibO yet).


 I like double 

Re: [libreoffice-design] New web banners. Feedback?

2011-09-24 Thread David Nelson
Hi Aleksandar

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Aleksandar devaleksan...@gmail.com wrote:
 I updated my wiki page with new design for cake : Cake4
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See#Our_first_anniversary
 Hope you like it.
 Cheers,
 Aleksandar

If it was me, I'd add an exclamation mark: Thank you for a great year!

Very nice graphics. :-)

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