Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] APP/Online LibreOffice
As it was explained at the conference, the code used in one will be used in the other, so we won't have two suites. umm... thats what I said. I know that we can reuse code. I am going to school to become a programmer. I am also an artist thats way im in this list now. As for UI improvements we need to make them in an incremental way. No one will change the UI overnight, it simply is not realistic. I think that the people in this mailing list think that I am stupid or something. this is the second time some one has told me that this will not be done over night. I know that this can not be done over night. I am saying that we need to start working on it. so that in a year or two it will look awesome. The problem is that mobile platforms use completely different UI toolkits and also have completely different UI needs etc. and this is way I said some of the code. Anyway, on the whole I'd agree to the notion that we need a mobile, touch-oriented version of LibreOffice to stay afloat. It would be nice to have a mobile LibreOffice, even a web based one. but it will not make or brake LibreOffice. the majority of all documents will still be created on the desktop. Since porting to new toolkits/new UI paradigms is a huge pain, I think the best would be to see if there is a company stepping forward with a plan on how to make money from free software here... I don't know if I see this getting far without corporate support. What??? I would like to say that I am not against LibreOffice Android/iOS or LOOL. I think that these are things that will be great to have. im saying that we need to start on the UI of LibreOffice NOW. we can't wait to have a working tablet/online suite to start working on the desktop UI. which is what will happen if we start the tablet/online suites and not the desktop UI. people are not going to download our suite as it is. my sister refuses to use it, even for the time being until my dad puts M$ Office on her computer, because it looks awful. people think that open source is ugly, and will not use it because of that. our goal is to permote open source. Open Source people such as our selves are going to use LibreOffice just because it is open source and not whether it looks good or not. but most people could care less if the thing is open source, as long as it looks good and works. we have made a suit that works well, now lets make it look good. when I started my first mock up on the UI I went though all of the tools to see what we had. I was trying to see if we had most of the tools that M$ Office had. I was able to make all the tool bars that M$ ribbons had. but to do this I had to go through the tool bar menu and weed out all the tools that I needed. normal people are not going to do this. if they can not see that LibreOffice has the tool they need at a quick look through of our menus then they are going to assume that it is not apart of the software. my brother needed mailmerge not too long ago. I told him that LibreOffice probably had it, that all he needed to do was look through the menu. hes a nerd as well, but he never did it. he knew that the tool was there, but he did not want to go look for it, I even told him that the tool did exist. there are awesome tools hidden behind things that most people would not even think of looking through, and the nerds are too lazy to go though. we need to clean up the UI, NOW. On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Astron heinzless...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Christophe, Did you attend Michael Meeks' presentation at the conference? Michael said that LibreOffice Online (LOOL) uses HTML5 Canvas to display the user interface, in other words, it does not use a user interface toolkit. Sorry, my fault. I didn't read the whole thread. My mail was only about porting to Android/IOS. The Broadway stuff is pretty great in my opinion. While there will be things that will have to be optimised for the in-browser use case (mostly window management things, it seems), most of the code written for it is also relevant for other GTK+ platforms. So, if this means LibO 3.5 will look near-native in GTK+ 3, you wouldn't even have needed the whole online availability thing to win me over :). I am just a bit more pessimistic about Android/IOS, that can share much less code and it will also be harder to implement. I was quite surprised when I saw the TDF blog post announcing those ports that will become products sometimes in late 2012 or early 2013. I find this ambitious, but I won't deny the necessity of these ports. That's all. Regards, Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] APP/Online LibreOffice
Hi Andrew, As it was explained at the conference, the code used in one will be used in the other, so we won't have two suites. umm... thats what I said. I know that we can reuse code. I'll try to summarise what is necessary for LibreOffice Online (I hope this won't madden you): * Broadway (i. e. the server code that makes the GTK+ → Canvas conversion and serves it) – part of GTK+ 3 (not LibreOffice!) and already written * a good GTK+ 3 backend for LibreOffice's VCL toolkit – partially written, and we'd need it anyway to make LibreOffice look good on GTK+ 3 platforms (that is, all major current Linux distributions), staying with a GTK+ 2 backend only is not an option anyway * some tweaks to floating toolbars and other window management things – no idea, if there's anything there, but probably not a major effort. As you can see, there's no reason for anxiety, as Broadway does the magic and most of the work helps us on all desktop Linux platforms. This is very different for Android and IOS, because on both platforms, LibreOffice would need a native, touch-centric port. In other words, a complete UI rewrite – and that's where I see space for a start-up to step in. I have doubts whether the current community is strong enough to pull this off, but let's see. We shan't be pessimists. I think that the people in this mailing list think that I am stupid or something. There are different people on this list, not everyone knows everyone else and not everyone reads their mail equally thoroughly etc. Please just bear with people when they repeat points that have already been brought up. I wouldn't understand this as a personal attack. It would be nice to have a mobile LibreOffice, even a web based one. but it will not make or brake LibreOffice. the majority of all documents will still be created on the desktop. #1 I wouldn't be so sure about this. Tablets seem very attractive to consumers, especially since using them is so intuitive and their power to battery life balance is so far unmatched by laptops. #2 For IOS there's I-Work, for WP7 there's MS Office, but for Android there isn't much (i. e. Quickoffice) – so there's a real market niche here. I would like to say that I am not against LibreOffice Android/iOS or LOOL. I think that these are things that will be great to have. im saying that we need to start on the UI of LibreOffice NOW. we can't wait to have a working tablet/online suite to start working on the desktop UI. which is what will happen if we start the tablet/online suites and not the desktop UI. Please read what I said more carefully. I didn't say that we (as the community) should stop working on the desktop suite to make the mobile suite happen. Quite the opposite. people are not going to download our suite as it is. my sister refuses to use it, even for the time being until my dad puts M$ Office on her computer, because it looks awful. people think that open source is ugly, and will not use it because of that. You can't force her to use it. Also, please don't imply that MS Office isn't ugly. It is (see also: inconsistent UI fonts, non-resizable dialogues, huge installation size, OOXML). there are awesome tools hidden behind things that most people would not even think of looking through, and the nerds are too lazy to go though. we need to clean up the UI, NOW. Please realise this isn't a dictatorship. It's a meritocracy, and the way to gain merit for design people here is to try and work with the devs on their ideas. Devs don't always have so much interest in the UI, so you'll slowly have to convince them of your value. Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] APP/Online LibreOffice
Hello, 2011/10/22 Astron heinzless...@googlemail.com Hi Andrew, As it was explained at the conference, the code used in one will be used in the other, so we won't have two suites. umm... thats what I said. I know that we can reuse code. I'll try to summarise what is necessary for LibreOffice Online (I hope this won't madden you): * Broadway (i. e. the server code that makes the GTK+ → Canvas conversion and serves it) – part of GTK+ 3 (not LibreOffice!) and already written * a good GTK+ 3 backend for LibreOffice's VCL toolkit – partially written, and we'd need it anyway to make LibreOffice look good on GTK+ 3 platforms (that is, all major current Linux distributions), staying with a GTK+ 2 backend only is not an option anyway * some tweaks to floating toolbars and other window management things – no idea, if there's anything there, but probably not a major effort. As you can see, there's no reason for anxiety, as Broadway does the magic and most of the work helps us on all desktop Linux platforms. This is very different for Android and IOS, because on both platforms, LibreOffice would need a native, touch-centric port. In other words, a complete UI rewrite – and that's where I see space for a start-up to step in. I have doubts whether the current community is strong enough to pull this off, but let's see. We shan't be pessimists. +1 to all the above. I think that the people in this mailing list think that I am stupid or something. There are different people on this list, not everyone knows everyone else and not everyone reads their mail equally thoroughly etc. Please just bear with people when they repeat points that have already been brought up. I wouldn't understand this as a personal attack. It would be nice to have a mobile LibreOffice, even a web based one. but it will not make or brake LibreOffice. the majority of all documents will still be created on the desktop. #1 I wouldn't be so sure about this. Tablets seem very attractive to consumers, especially since using them is so intuitive and their power to battery life balance is so far unmatched by laptops. #2 For IOS there's I-Work, for WP7 there's MS Office, but for Android there isn't much (i. e. Quickoffice) – so there's a real market niche here. I would like to say that I am not against LibreOffice Android/iOS or LOOL. I think that these are things that will be great to have. im saying that we need to start on the UI of LibreOffice NOW. we can't wait to have a working tablet/online suite to start working on the desktop UI. which is what will happen if we start the tablet/online suites and not the desktop UI. Please read what I said more carefully. I didn't say that we (as the community) should stop working on the desktop suite to make the mobile suite happen. Quite the opposite. people are not going to download our suite as it is. my sister refuses to use it, even for the time being until my dad puts M$ Office on her computer, because it looks awful. people think that open source is ugly, and will not use it because of that. You can't force her to use it. Also, please don't imply that MS Office isn't ugly. It is (see also: inconsistent UI fonts, non-resizable dialogues, huge installation size, OOXML). there are awesome tools hidden behind things that most people would not even think of looking through, and the nerds are too lazy to go though. we need to clean up the UI, NOW. Please realise this isn't a dictatorship. It's a meritocracy, and the way to gain merit for design people here is to try and work with the devs on their ideas. Devs don't always have so much interest in the UI, so you'll slowly have to convince them of your value. Yes and... write specifications as a team. UI groundwork . :) Best, Charles. Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Discussion about Extensions-Site-Layout
it looks grate, love the gradients and the motif. looks like the same changes can be made to the Templets page as well. On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Nik n...@tdf.nikashsingh.com wrote: Hi Andreas, all, as promised, a mockup; http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/File:**PROP_ExtensionsSite_111022NS.* *jpghttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:PROP_ExtensionsSite_111022NS.jpg I've kept it realistic and in-line with the current site format/contents so that it would be easier to implement. The search box could always be moved back outside the Navbar if it causes hassles to implement. I envisage that the only in current section and other search options (categories) would pop up upon clicking the plus alongside the search field. Similarly, the full list of languages be made visible upon clicking the down-arrow next to the current language. I have more adventurous ideas, but they can wait. That gets the ball rolling. Let me know what you think. -Nik On 11.10.22 01:12, Nik wrote: Hi Andreas, On 11.10.08 05:24, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi all, the new extensions-site is in a test-mode since some weeks now. We have already worked on a header graphic for the site. This is online now. But maybe there are some ideas for improvements of the sites layout. I hope to get some proposals / mockups from the design-experts here ;-) You can find the site here at the moment: http://extensions-test.**libreoffice.orghttp://extensions-test.libreoffice.org Regards, Andreas I'd be happy to chip in a mock-up soon, but could you do me one favour in advance; (I'm sorry to sound like a stubborn and difficult Designer, even though I am, but ...) could you reinstate the original extensions logo? ...this one: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/cgi_** img_auth.php/7/7e/**ExtensionsLogo_110712NS.pnghttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/7/7e/ExtensionsLogo_110712NS.png I realise you modified the placement, size (and indeed the very shape) of the triangles to attract /attention/, and you've succeeded: but for some wrong reasons... The triangles are attracting bad attention because they are mis-aligned with the text (vertically). This is the same as when you see one street-pole bent and the others are intact. It isn't desirable. And the ability to discern the X created by the negative space between the triangles is lost when you remove the X from the context in which it would usually occur (i.e. at the same hieght as the neighbouring letters). Believe me, the colour-contrast will be sufficent in attracting attention, the size-difference right now is unnerving. And the inconsistencies in shape look unprofessional. Also, the sharp corners of the new triangles conflict with the soft corners of the document symbol nearby. And the radial gradient now employed doesn't suggest modularity like the broken conical gradient did. I'm being nit-picky. I'm sorry. I'll be quiet now. -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Discussion about Extensions-Site-Layout
Hi Nik, Am Freitag, 21. Oktober 2011, 16:12:29 schrieb Nik: Hi Andreas, On 11.10.08 05:24, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi all, the new extensions-site is in a test-mode since some weeks now. We have already worked on a header graphic for the site. This is online now. But maybe there are some ideas for improvements of the sites layout. I hope to get some proposals / mockups from the design-experts here ;-) You can find the site here at the moment: http://extensions-test.libreoffice.org Regards, Andreas I'd be happy to chip in a mock-up soon, but could you do me one favour in advance; (I'm sorry to sound like a stubborn and difficult Designer, even though I am, but ...) could you reinstate the original extensions logo? ...this one: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/7/7e/ExtensionsLogo_110 712NS.png hmm. It's easy to replace the current logo. But in my opinion the header of the site need an eyecatcher, doesn't he? I think the visitor of the site should get very fast an idea what the site is for. I'm not a designer and thus I'm asking here to get some deeper insights. (...) I'm being nit-picky. I'm sorry. I'll be quiet now. I got your explanation and it's not nit-picking for me. But my question above remains. Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] APP/Online LibreOffice
thought of something else to say Please realise this isn't a dictatorship. It's a meritocracy, and the way to gain merit for design people here is to try and work with the devs on their ideas. Devs don't always have so much interest in the UI, so you'll slowly have to convince them of your value. Im trying to get the design team on my side so that WE can get the DEV team on OUR side. in hopes that WE AS A HOLE can get the ball rolling on the thing. On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.comwrote: I'll try to summarise what is necessary for LibreOffice Online (I hope this won't madden you): Im not mad, im just a bit fustrated and trying to make every one see why we need to get this rolling soon. * Broadway[...]part of GTK+ 3 (not LibreOffice!) and already written cool * a good GTK+ 3 backend for LibreOffice's VCL toolkit – partially written, and we'd need it anyway to make LibreOffice look good on GTK+ 3 platforms (that is, all major current Linux distributions), staying with a GTK+ 2 backend only is not an option anyway so to make LOOL we need to change GTK+2 to GTK+3 which we are going to have to do to make the desktop UI look good any way? * some tweaks to floating toolbars and other window management things – no idea, if there's anything there, but probably not a major effort. are you talking code or GUI here. because here is a link to what Mirek has done to the floatbars http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Trs-float.png As you can see, there's no reason for anxiety, as Broadway does the magic and most of the work helps us on all desktop Linux platforms. you say for linux, but what about widows and mac, will it be the same amount of work as for linux? so to make LOOL will just be an easy port with some minor changes to make it work, and sence we are changing it any way it will not be that hard to make the same changes to the desktop. Right? This is very different for Android and IOS, because on both platforms, LibreOffice would need a native, touch-centric port. In other words, a complete UI rewrite of corse the UI for these devices will be different. it will have to be drasticly different. we should try to make it work as much like the desktop as we can but still be as simplistic as possible. for these devises we do not want it to be complicated. because thats what the devices were made for, simplicity. – and that's where I see space for a start-up to step in. I have doubts whether the current community is strong enough to pull this off, but let's see. We shan't be pessimists. I don't know what you mean by the start-up, but it seems as though we should then start on the LOOL/desktop. then tackal the tablet. besides the tablet suite will need a completly new kind of UI all together. though Im looking at the Citrus UI and it is already very simplistic enough to be a tablet suite. if you can not tell I am absolutly enamerd by Citrus, and think that it is one of the best UI designs I have ever seen. I really recomened that you read Mirek's blog to learn more about how it works, because its not just a pritty UI, it works differently then what we have used before. http://clickortap.wordpress.com/ #1 I wouldn't be so sure about this. Tablets seem very attractive toconsumers, especially since using them is so intuitive and their power to battery life balance is so far unmatched by laptops. yes but have you ever tryed to write a document on something that does not have a key board and does not work like the desktop counter part. I mate be wrong but I think that most people will still create on the desktop. #2 For IOS there's I-Work, for WP7 there's MS Office, but for Android there isn't much (i. e. Quickoffice) – so there's a real market niche here. oh I understand this, im just arguing that fact that we need to keep up on the desktop counterparts before we make the tablet/LOOL suites. Please read what I said more carefully. I didn't say that we (as thecommunity) should stop working on the desktop suite to make the mobile suite happen. Quite the opposite. im not saying that development will stop ether, bugs will be reported and fixed. some features will be added... but will the UI be improved if we start on two new projects... I think not. You can't force her to use it. Also, please don't imply that MS Officeisn't ugly. I did not force her to use it, computer broke, we fixed it, she did not have M$O so I tried to introduce her to a alternative that she may have liked while deciding whether or not she wanted to reinstall M$O. im not trying to imply anything. I just talked to her about why she did not like it and she said that.I did not know how to maneuver it, I looked old, I did not know how it worked... and umm well... it looked old. yah I put her into a program that she did not know how to use, but she is smart and has used text editors much
Re: [libreoffice-design] Discussion about Extensions-Site-Layout
Hi everybody, as the person who created the original version of sharp-triangled Extensions Templates logo (ie [1]): I absolutely second Nik's request. If you need more of an eyecatcher, just make the entire image (a little) larger. The current logo looks butchered badly (and it is, given that I and later you modified Nik's good original logo). Overall, though, the focus shouldn't be on the logo too much, but rather on the content: a grid of newly-uploaded/curated/rave-reviewed extensions and only two lines of text would be great. By the way, your (Nik's) homepage proposal looks good apart from the fact that there's still no action on the site (see above). The other thing I don't quite understand is why there is the broken line at the bottom (I know it's supposed to highlight the three columns below, but with the white margins to its sides it doesn't seem to work very well). Maybe it would be a good idea to use gradients as column separators [2]. But that's minor. Astron. [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/archive/e/ea/20110731204254%21Exttemplogo.png , I later modified it into this version: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Exttemplogo.png [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Bitxtnhp.jpg . I swear it looked way better before saving as a JPEG, I hope you get the idea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Conference 2011, Personal Summary
Hi everyone, I noticed some discussions that might relate to discussions we've had at the LibreOffice Conference last week. So, if you want to spend some minutes, then here is my personal summary: http://luxate.blogspot.com/2011/10/libreoffice-conference-2011-personal.html If anything is missing or unclear ... please ask :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] APP/Online LibreOffice
Hi Andrew, Astron, Charles, all! Interesting discussion so far :-) Am Samstag, den 22.10.2011, 17:18 -0400 schrieb Andrew Pullins: I'll try to summarise what is necessary for LibreOffice Online (I hope this won't madden you): Im not mad, im just a bit fustrated and trying to make every one see why we need to get this rolling soon. I think everybody sees the need that adaptations are required, but the perceived urgency might vary. Why? * Do we know what the devs who make LibreOffice compile on other platforms do have in mind? * Does porting to Android/iOS tell us anything about the devices and their input devices that will get supported? * Does spending less effort on LibreOffice Desktop help to improve future UIs on other platforms? * Do we know what LibreOffice UI elements need to be adapted (without the need to have developers looking at the code)? * Do we have sufficient expertise on how an e.g. Android program needs to behave / look like? * ... [...] * some tweaks to floating toolbars and other window management things – no idea, if there's anything there, but probably not a major effort. are you talking code or GUI here. because here is a link to what Mirek has done to the floatbars http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Trs-float.png Astron, there is some very basic window management available that currently handles the windows shown in the browser. Very basic means that e.g. the floating toolbars do have doubled window titles. From my point-of-view, the final solution should not show LibO in a browser window, but the browser window should appear like LibO. But, that also means that we need some dedicated handling for toolbars (and other stuff). But, there is other stuff that needs to be handled first ... Michael has a good set of open points to be addressed ;-) This is very different for Android and IOS, because on both platforms, LibreOffice would need a native, touch-centric port. In other words, a complete UI rewrite of corse the UI for these devices will be different. it will have to be drasticly different. we should try to make it work as much like the desktop as we can but still be as simplistic as possible. for these devises we do not want it to be complicated. because thats what the devices were made for, simplicity. That needs some refinement from my point-of-view. The devices running Android, iOS were made for different tasks ... and became popular for that. Today, people demand to use those devices for different tasks as well - sometimes it works well, sometimes it does not. My question here is, what tasks can be improved / are required for LibreOffice on such platforms. What set of functionality can be derived for such cases? What tasks will be exclusive for a classical desktop? What differentiates LibreOffice on Android/iOS from normal ODF viewers? (You got the point, I guess.) It is possible to work on most of these questions without developer support. Quite the contrary - I assume these answers will be quite helpful for the developers once they have solved the very basic technical difficulties. [...] im not saying that development will stop ether, bugs will be reported and fixed. some features will be added... but will the UI be improved if we start on two new projects... I think not. Why do you think that? As we have different objectives, each developer has his own goal (sometimes aligned with the goal of the company he works for *g*). That means some of them care for the Desktop UI, some might care about the iOS/Android UI What I perceived at the LibreOffice Conference is, that developers do care about the LibreOffice we have, and that there are more support requests by them than we (on libreoffice-ux-advise) do currently handle (providing facts, collect requirements, do competition analysis, provide UI proposals, test daily builds, ...). Here, again, a hint towards the presentation we gave at the LibreOffice Conference: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/e/e6/2011-10-15v3_LibOCon_Non-Hacker-Tasks_Schnabel-Noack.pdf [...] So finally, what's the takeaway of my mail? * Improving the normal LibreOffice will help to get a better product on other platforms as well. But that needs helping hands. * People who are interested can work on the iOS/Android stuff without the need to convince developers or the whole community in advance. There is a lot theoretical stuff that can be done, even before developers touch the visible parts of the UI. Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly
Re: [libreoffice-design] Discussion about Extensions-Site-Layout
Hi all, it is already 1:30 am, so wildly jumping into the discussion ... :-) Am Sonntag, den 23.10.2011, 00:02 +0200 schrieb Astron: Hi everybody, as the person who created the original version of sharp-triangled Extensions Templates logo (ie [1]): I absolutely second Nik's request. If you need more of an eyecatcher, just make the entire image (a little) larger. The current logo looks butchered badly (and it is, given that I and later you modified Nik's good original logo). I also second Nik's request for several reasons. Furthermore, I'd like to add that the current logo needs an enormous amount of space that eats away space for the actual content of the page. I would even suggest to make the pages close to the default LibreOffice site, so that users feel at home (whilst knowing where to look for the logo). By the way, I know that you explained to me that its not possible to combine the Extensions and the Templates page ... so an idea for the future. The X could also be used for LibreOffice E*x*tras covering both topics. Overall, though, the focus shouldn't be on the logo too much, but rather on the content: a grid of newly-uploaded/curated/rave-reviewed extensions and only two lines of text would be great. By the way, your (Nik's) homepage proposal looks good apart from the fact that there's still no action on the site (see above). +1 The question to me is, what arethe most important tasks on the website? I guess ... 1. Getting extensions / templates ... so users should get an initial idea (so showing e.g. the most recent or best rated items - from here, people should be able to get further collections) 2. Getting information about LibreOffice (to know that this is an official page, to get information about us if the user approaches the page by accident) 3. Upload their own content (this needs refinement as well ...) Our interest might also be to: ask for donations. Personally, I consider this a starting point for further User oriented changes. By the way, there are many categories to chose from (on the Templates page). It might be helpful if we could consider the survey results what people do with LibreOffice / OOo to make finding items easier. Does that sound interesting? [...] Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted