Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] APP/Online LibreOffice

2011-10-22 Thread Andrew Pullins

 As it was explained at the conference, the code used in one will be used in
 the other, so we won't have two suites.


umm... thats what I said. I know that we can reuse code. I am going to
school to become a programmer. I am also an artist thats way im in this list
now.


 As for UI improvements we need to make them in an incremental way. No one
 will change the UI overnight, it
 simply is not realistic.


I think that the people in this mailing list think that I am stupid or
something.  this is the second time some one has told me that this will not
be done over night. I know that this can not be done over night. I am saying
that we need to start working on it. so that in a year or two it will look
awesome.

The problem is that mobile platforms use completely different UI
 toolkits and also have completely different UI needs etc.


and this is way I said some of the code.

Anyway, on the whole I'd agree to the notion that we need a mobile,
 touch-oriented version of LibreOffice to stay afloat.


It would be nice to have a mobile LibreOffice, even a web based one. but it
will not make or brake LibreOffice. the majority of all documents will still
be created on the desktop.


 Since porting to new toolkits/new UI paradigms is a huge pain, I think the
 best would
 be to see if there is a company stepping forward with a plan on how to
 make money from free software here... I don't know if I see this getting
 far without corporate support.


What???

I would like to say that I am not against LibreOffice Android/iOS or LOOL. I
think that these are things that will be great to have. im saying  that we
need to start on the UI of LibreOffice NOW. we can't wait to have a working
tablet/online suite to start working on the desktop UI. which is what will
happen if we start the tablet/online suites and not the desktop UI.

people are not going to download our suite as it is. my sister refuses to
use it, even for the time being until my dad puts M$ Office on her computer,
because it looks awful. people think that open source is ugly, and will not
use it because of that. our goal is to permote open source. Open Source
people such as our selves are going to use LibreOffice just because it is
open source and not whether it looks good or not. but most people could care
less if the thing is open source, as long as it looks good and works. we
have made a suit that works well, now lets make it look good.

when I started my first mock up on the UI I went though all of the tools to
see what we had. I was trying to see if we had most of the tools that M$
Office had. I was able to make all the tool bars that M$ ribbons had. but to
do this I had to go through the tool bar menu and weed out all the tools
that I needed. normal people are not going to do this. if they can not see
that LibreOffice has the tool they need at a quick look through of our menus
then they are going to assume that it is not apart of the software. my
brother needed mailmerge not too long ago. I told him that
LibreOffice probably had it, that all he needed to do was look through the
menu. hes a nerd as well, but he never did it. he knew that the tool was
there, but he did not want to go look for it, I even told him that the tool
did exist. there are awesome tools hidden behind things that most people
would not even think of looking through, and the nerds are too lazy to go
though.  we need to clean up the UI, NOW.






On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Astron heinzless...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi Christophe,

  Did you attend Michael Meeks' presentation at the conference?
  Michael said that LibreOffice Online (LOOL) uses HTML5 Canvas
  to display the user interface, in other words, it does not use a user
  interface toolkit.

 Sorry, my fault. I didn't read the whole thread. My mail was only
 about porting to Android/IOS.
 The Broadway stuff is pretty great in my opinion. While there will be
 things that will have to be optimised for the in-browser use case
 (mostly window management things, it seems), most of the code written
 for it is also relevant for other GTK+ platforms. So, if this means
 LibO 3.5 will look near-native in GTK+ 3, you wouldn't even have
 needed the whole online availability thing to win me over :).


 I am just a bit more pessimistic about Android/IOS, that can share
 much less code and it will also be harder to implement. I was quite
 surprised when I saw the TDF blog post announcing those ports that
 will become products sometimes in late 2012 or early 2013. I find
 this ambitious, but I won't deny the necessity of these ports. That's
 all.

 Regards,
 Astron.

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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] APP/Online LibreOffice

2011-10-22 Thread Astron
Hi Andrew,

 As it was explained at the conference, the code used in one will be used in
 the other, so we won't have two suites.


 umm... thats what I said. I know that we can reuse code.

I'll try to summarise what is necessary for LibreOffice Online (I hope
this won't madden you):
* Broadway (i. e. the server code that makes the GTK+ → Canvas
conversion and serves it) – part of GTK+ 3 (not LibreOffice!) and
already written
* a good GTK+ 3 backend for LibreOffice's VCL toolkit – partially
written, and we'd need it anyway to make LibreOffice look good on GTK+
3 platforms (that is, all major current Linux distributions), staying
with a GTK+ 2 backend only is not an option anyway
* some tweaks to floating toolbars and other window management things
– no idea, if there's anything there, but probably not a major effort.
As you can see, there's no reason for anxiety, as Broadway does the
magic and most of the work helps us on all desktop Linux platforms.

This is very different for Android and IOS, because on both platforms,
LibreOffice would need a native, touch-centric port. In other words, a
complete UI rewrite – and that's where I see space for a start-up to
step in. I have doubts whether the current community is strong enough
to pull this off, but let's see. We shan't be pessimists.


 I think that the people in this mailing list think that I am stupid or
 something.

There are different people on this list, not everyone knows everyone
else and not everyone reads their mail equally thoroughly etc. Please
just bear with people when they repeat points that have already been
brought up. I wouldn't understand this as a personal attack.


 It would be nice to have a mobile LibreOffice, even a web based one. but it
 will not make or brake LibreOffice. the majority of all documents will still
 be created on the desktop.

#1 I wouldn't be so sure about this. Tablets seem very attractive to
consumers, especially since using them is so intuitive and their
power to battery life balance is so far unmatched by laptops.
#2 For IOS there's I-Work, for WP7 there's MS Office, but for Android
there isn't much (i. e. Quickoffice) – so there's a real market niche
here.


 I would like to say that I am not against LibreOffice Android/iOS or LOOL. I
 think that these are things that will be great to have. im saying  that we
 need to start on the UI of LibreOffice NOW. we can't wait to have a working
 tablet/online suite to start working on the desktop UI. which is what will
 happen if we start the tablet/online suites and not the desktop UI.

Please read what I said more carefully. I didn't say that we (as the
community) should stop working on the desktop suite to make the mobile
suite happen. Quite the opposite.


 people are not going to download our suite as it is. my sister refuses to
 use it, even for the time being until my dad puts M$ Office on her computer,
 because it looks awful. people think that open source is ugly, and will not
 use it because of that.

You can't force her to use it. Also, please don't imply that MS Office
isn't ugly. It is (see also: inconsistent UI fonts, non-resizable
dialogues, huge installation size, OOXML).


 there are awesome tools hidden behind things that most people
 would not even think of looking through, and the nerds are too lazy to go
 though.  we need to clean up the UI, NOW.

Please realise this isn't a dictatorship. It's a meritocracy, and the
way to gain merit for design people here is to try and work with the
devs on their ideas. Devs don't always have so much interest in the
UI, so you'll slowly have to convince them of your value.

Astron.

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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] APP/Online LibreOffice

2011-10-22 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello,

2011/10/22 Astron heinzless...@googlemail.com

 Hi Andrew,

  As it was explained at the conference, the code used in one will be used
 in
  the other, so we won't have two suites.
 
 
  umm... thats what I said. I know that we can reuse code.

 I'll try to summarise what is necessary for LibreOffice Online (I hope
 this won't madden you):
 * Broadway (i. e. the server code that makes the GTK+ → Canvas
 conversion and serves it) – part of GTK+ 3 (not LibreOffice!) and
 already written
 * a good GTK+ 3 backend for LibreOffice's VCL toolkit – partially
 written, and we'd need it anyway to make LibreOffice look good on GTK+
 3 platforms (that is, all major current Linux distributions), staying
 with a GTK+ 2 backend only is not an option anyway
 * some tweaks to floating toolbars and other window management things
 – no idea, if there's anything there, but probably not a major effort.
 As you can see, there's no reason for anxiety, as Broadway does the
 magic and most of the work helps us on all desktop Linux platforms.

 This is very different for Android and IOS, because on both platforms,
 LibreOffice would need a native, touch-centric port. In other words, a
 complete UI rewrite – and that's where I see space for a start-up to
 step in. I have doubts whether the current community is strong enough
 to pull this off, but let's see. We shan't be pessimists.



+1 to all the above.




  I think that the people in this mailing list think that I am stupid or
  something.

 There are different people on this list, not everyone knows everyone
 else and not everyone reads their mail equally thoroughly etc. Please
 just bear with people when they repeat points that have already been
 brought up. I wouldn't understand this as a personal attack.


  It would be nice to have a mobile LibreOffice, even a web based one. but
 it
  will not make or brake LibreOffice. the majority of all documents will
 still
  be created on the desktop.

 #1 I wouldn't be so sure about this. Tablets seem very attractive to
 consumers, especially since using them is so intuitive and their
 power to battery life balance is so far unmatched by laptops.
 #2 For IOS there's I-Work, for WP7 there's MS Office, but for Android
 there isn't much (i. e. Quickoffice) – so there's a real market niche
 here.


  I would like to say that I am not against LibreOffice Android/iOS or
 LOOL. I
  think that these are things that will be great to have. im saying  that
 we
  need to start on the UI of LibreOffice NOW. we can't wait to have a
 working
  tablet/online suite to start working on the desktop UI. which is what
 will
  happen if we start the tablet/online suites and not the desktop UI.

 Please read what I said more carefully. I didn't say that we (as the
 community) should stop working on the desktop suite to make the mobile
 suite happen. Quite the opposite.


  people are not going to download our suite as it is. my sister refuses to
  use it, even for the time being until my dad puts M$ Office on her
 computer,
  because it looks awful. people think that open source is ugly, and will
 not
  use it because of that.

 You can't force her to use it. Also, please don't imply that MS Office
 isn't ugly. It is (see also: inconsistent UI fonts, non-resizable
 dialogues, huge installation size, OOXML).


  there are awesome tools hidden behind things that most people
  would not even think of looking through, and the nerds are too lazy to go
  though.  we need to clean up the UI, NOW.

 Please realise this isn't a dictatorship. It's a meritocracy, and the
 way to gain merit for design people here is to try and work with the
 devs on their ideas. Devs don't always have so much interest in the
 UI, so you'll slowly have to convince them of your value.



Yes and... write specifications as a team. UI groundwork . :)

Best,
Charles.



 Astron.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Discussion about Extensions-Site-Layout

2011-10-22 Thread Andrew Pullins
it looks grate, love the gradients and the motif. looks like the
same changes can be made to the Templets page as well.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Nik n...@tdf.nikashsingh.com wrote:

 Hi Andreas, all,

 as promised, a mockup;
 http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/File:**PROP_ExtensionsSite_111022NS.*
 *jpghttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:PROP_ExtensionsSite_111022NS.jpg

 I've kept it realistic and in-line with the current site format/contents so
 that it would be easier to implement.
 The search box could always be moved back outside the Navbar if it causes
 hassles to implement.
 I envisage that the only in current section and other search options
 (categories) would pop up upon clicking the plus alongside the search
 field. Similarly, the full list of languages be made visible upon clicking
 the down-arrow next to the current language.
 I have more adventurous ideas, but they can wait.

 That gets the ball rolling. Let me know what you think.
 -Nik



 On 11.10.22 01:12, Nik wrote:

 Hi Andreas,


 On 11.10.08 05:24, Andreas Mantke wrote:

 Hi all,

 the new extensions-site is in a test-mode since some weeks now. We have
 already
 worked on a header graphic for the site. This is online now. But maybe
 there are some
 ideas for improvements of the sites layout. I hope to get some proposals
 / mockups
 from the design-experts here ;-)

 You can find the site here at the moment:
 http://extensions-test.**libreoffice.orghttp://extensions-test.libreoffice.org

 Regards,
 Andreas


 I'd be happy to chip in a mock-up soon, but could you do me one favour in
 advance;

 (I'm sorry to sound like a stubborn and difficult Designer, even though I
 am, but ...)
 could you reinstate the original extensions logo?
 ...this one: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/cgi_**
 img_auth.php/7/7e/**ExtensionsLogo_110712NS.pnghttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/7/7e/ExtensionsLogo_110712NS.png

 I realise you modified the placement, size (and indeed the very shape) of
 the triangles to attract /attention/, and you've succeeded: but for some
 wrong reasons...

 The triangles are attracting bad attention because they are mis-aligned
 with the text (vertically).
 This is the same as when you see one street-pole bent and the others are
 intact. It isn't desirable.
 And the ability to discern the X created by the negative space between
 the triangles is lost when you remove the X from the context in which it
 would usually occur (i.e. at the same hieght as the neighbouring letters).

 Believe me, the colour-contrast will be sufficent in attracting attention,
 the size-difference right now is unnerving.
 And the inconsistencies in shape look unprofessional.

 Also, the sharp corners of the new triangles conflict with the soft
 corners of the document symbol nearby.
 And the radial gradient now employed doesn't suggest modularity like the
 broken conical gradient did.

 I'm being nit-picky. I'm sorry. I'll be quiet now.
 -Nik



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Re: [libreoffice-design] Discussion about Extensions-Site-Layout

2011-10-22 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Nik,

Am Freitag, 21. Oktober 2011, 16:12:29 schrieb Nik:
 Hi Andreas,
 
 On 11.10.08 05:24, Andreas Mantke wrote:
  Hi all,
  
  the new extensions-site is in a test-mode since some weeks now. We have
  already worked on a header graphic for the site. This is online now. But
  maybe there are some ideas for improvements of the sites layout. I hope
  to get some proposals / mockups from the design-experts here ;-)
  
  You can find the site here at the moment:
  http://extensions-test.libreoffice.org
  
  Regards,
  Andreas
 
 I'd be happy to chip in a mock-up soon, but could you do me one favour
 in advance;
 
 (I'm sorry to sound like a stubborn and difficult Designer, even though
 I am, but ...)
 could you reinstate the original extensions logo?
 ...this one:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/7/7e/ExtensionsLogo_110
 712NS.png
 

hmm. It's easy to replace the current logo. But in my opinion the header of the 
site 
need an eyecatcher, doesn't he? I think the visitor of the site should get very 
fast 
an idea what the site is for. I'm not a designer and thus I'm asking here to 
get some 
deeper insights.
(...)
 I'm being nit-picky. I'm sorry. I'll be quiet now.

I got your explanation and it's not nit-picking for me. But my question above 
remains.

Regards,
Andreas

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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] APP/Online LibreOffice

2011-10-22 Thread Andrew Pullins
thought of something else to say


 Please realise this isn't a dictatorship. It's a meritocracy, and the
 way to gain merit for design people here is to try and work with the
 devs on their ideas. Devs don't always have so much interest in the
 UI, so you'll slowly have to convince them of your value.


Im trying to get the design team on my side so that WE can get the DEV team
on OUR side. in hopes that WE AS A HOLE can get the ball rolling on the
thing.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.comwrote:

  I'll try to summarise what is necessary for LibreOffice Online (I hope

 this won't madden you):


 Im not mad, im just a bit fustrated and trying to make every one see why we
 need to get this rolling soon.


 * Broadway[...]part of GTK+ 3 (not LibreOffice!) and
 already written


 cool


 * a good GTK+ 3 backend for LibreOffice's VCL toolkit – partially
 written, and we'd need it anyway to make LibreOffice look good on GTK+
 3 platforms (that is, all major current Linux distributions), staying
 with a GTK+ 2 backend only is not an option anyway


 so to make LOOL we need to change GTK+2 to GTK+3 which we are going to have
 to do to make the desktop UI look good any way?


 * some tweaks to floating toolbars and other window management things
 – no idea, if there's anything there, but probably not a major effort.


 are you talking code or GUI here. because here is a link to what Mirek has
 done to the floatbars
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Trs-float.png


 As you can see, there's no reason for anxiety, as Broadway does the
 magic and most of the work helps us on all desktop Linux platforms.


 you say for linux, but what about widows and mac, will it be the same
 amount of work as for linux?

 so to make LOOL will just be an easy port with some minor changes to make
 it work, and sence we are changing it any way it will not be that hard to
 make the same changes to the desktop. Right?

 This is very different for Android and IOS, because on both platforms,
 LibreOffice would need a native, touch-centric port. In other words, a

  complete UI rewrite


 of corse the UI for these devices will be different. it will have to be
 drasticly different. we should try to make it work as much like the desktop
 as we can but still be as simplistic as possible. for these devises we do
 not want it to be complicated. because thats what the devices were made
 for, simplicity.


  – and that's where I see space for a start-up to step in. I have doubts

  whether the current community is strong enough to pull this off, but

  let's see. We shan't be pessimists.


 I don't know what you mean by the start-up, but it seems as though we
 should then start on the LOOL/desktop. then tackal the tablet. besides the
 tablet suite will need a completly new kind of UI all together. though Im
 looking at the Citrus UI and it is already very simplistic enough to be a
 tablet suite. if you can not tell I am absolutly enamerd by Citrus, and
 think that it is one of the best UI designs I have ever seen. I really
 recomened that you read Mirek's blog to learn more about how it works,
 because its not just a pritty UI, it works differently then what we have
 used before.
 http://clickortap.wordpress.com/



 #1 I wouldn't be so sure about this. Tablets seem very attractive 
 toconsumers,
 especially since using them is so intuitive and their

 power to battery life balance is so far unmatched by laptops.


 yes but have you ever tryed to write a document on something that does not
 have a key board and does not work like the desktop counter part. I mate be
 wrong but I think that most people will still create on the desktop.


 #2 For IOS there's I-Work, for WP7 there's MS Office, but for Android
 there isn't much (i. e. Quickoffice) – so there's a real market niche
 here.


 oh I understand this, im just arguing that fact that we need to keep up on
 the desktop counterparts before we make the tablet/LOOL suites.

 Please read what I said more carefully. I didn't say that we (as thecommunity)
 should stop working on the desktop suite to make the mobile

 suite happen. Quite the opposite.


 im not saying that development will stop ether, bugs will be reported and
 fixed. some features will be added... but will the UI be improved if we
 start on two new projects... I think not.

 You can't force her to use it. Also, please don't imply that MS Officeisn't
 ugly.


 I did not force her to use it, computer broke, we fixed it, she did not
 have M$O so I tried to introduce her to a alternative that she may have
 liked while deciding whether or not she wanted to reinstall M$O. im not
 trying to imply anything. I just talked to her about why she did not like it
 and she said that.I did not know how to maneuver it, I looked old, I did
 not know how it worked... and umm well... it looked old. yah I put her into
 a program that she did not know how to use, but she is smart and has used
 text editors much 

Re: [libreoffice-design] Discussion about Extensions-Site-Layout

2011-10-22 Thread Astron
Hi everybody,

as the person who created the original version of sharp-triangled
Extensions  Templates logo (ie [1]): I absolutely second Nik's
request. If you need more of an eyecatcher, just make the entire image
(a little) larger. The current logo looks butchered badly (and it is,
given that I and later you modified Nik's good original logo).

Overall, though, the focus shouldn't be on the logo too much, but
rather on the content: a grid of newly-uploaded/curated/rave-reviewed
extensions and only two lines of text would be great.

By the way, your (Nik's) homepage proposal looks good apart from the
fact that there's still no action on the site (see above). The other
thing I don't quite understand is why there is the broken line at the
bottom (I know it's supposed to highlight the three columns below, but
with the white margins to its sides it doesn't seem to work very
well). Maybe it would be a good idea to use gradients as column
separators [2]. But that's minor.

Astron.


[1] 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/archive/e/ea/20110731204254%21Exttemplogo.png
, I later modified it into this version:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Exttemplogo.png

[2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Bitxtnhp.jpg . I swear it
looked way better before saving as a JPEG, I hope you get the idea.

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[libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Conference 2011, Personal Summary

2011-10-22 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi everyone,

I noticed some discussions that might relate to discussions we've had at
the LibreOffice Conference last week. So, if you want to spend some
minutes, then here is my personal summary:
http://luxate.blogspot.com/2011/10/libreoffice-conference-2011-personal.html

If anything is missing or unclear ... please ask :-)

Cheers,
Christoph


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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] APP/Online LibreOffice

2011-10-22 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Andrew, Astron, Charles, all!

Interesting discussion so far :-)

Am Samstag, den 22.10.2011, 17:18 -0400 schrieb Andrew Pullins:
 
   I'll try to summarise what is necessary for LibreOffice Online (I hope
 
  this won't madden you):

 Im not mad, im just a bit fustrated and trying to make every one see why we
 need to get this rolling soon.

I think everybody sees the need that adaptations are required, but the
perceived urgency might vary.

Why?
  * Do we know what the devs who make LibreOffice compile on other
platforms do have in mind?
  * Does porting to Android/iOS tell us anything about the devices
and their input devices that will get supported?
  * Does spending less effort on LibreOffice Desktop help to improve
future UIs on other platforms?
  * Do we know what LibreOffice UI elements need to be adapted
(without the need to have developers looking at the code)?
  * Do we have sufficient expertise on how an e.g. Android program
needs to behave / look like?
  * ...


[...]
  * some tweaks to floating toolbars and other window management things
  – no idea, if there's anything there, but probably not a major effort.
 
 are you talking code or GUI here. because here is a link to what Mirek has
 done to the floatbars http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Trs-float.png

Astron, there is some very basic window management available that
currently handles the windows shown in the browser. Very basic means
that e.g. the floating toolbars do have doubled window titles.

From my point-of-view, the final solution should not show LibO in a
browser window, but the browser window should appear like LibO. But,
that also means that we need some dedicated handling for toolbars (and
other stuff).

But, there is other stuff that needs to be handled first ... Michael has
a good set of open points to be addressed ;-)

 This is very different for Android and IOS, because on both platforms,
  LibreOffice would need a native, touch-centric port. In other words, a
  complete UI rewrite

 of corse the UI for these devices will be different. it will have to be
 drasticly different. we should try to make it work as much like the desktop
 as we can but still be as simplistic as possible. for these devises we do
 not want it to be complicated. because thats what the devices were made
 for, simplicity.

That needs some refinement from my point-of-view. The devices running
Android, iOS were made for different tasks ... and became popular for
that. Today, people demand to use those devices for different tasks as
well - sometimes it works well, sometimes it does not.

My question here is, what tasks can be improved / are required for
LibreOffice on such platforms. What set of functionality can be derived
for such cases? What tasks will be exclusive for a classical desktop?
What differentiates LibreOffice on Android/iOS from normal ODF viewers?
(You got the point, I guess.)

It is possible to work on most of these questions without developer
support. Quite the contrary - I assume these answers will be quite
helpful for the developers once they have solved the very basic
technical difficulties.

[...]

 im not saying that development will stop ether, bugs will be reported and
 fixed. some features will be added... but will the UI be improved if we
 start on two new projects... I think not.

Why do you think that? As we have different objectives, each developer
has his own goal (sometimes aligned with the goal of the company he
works for *g*). That means some of them care for the Desktop UI, some
might care about the iOS/Android UI

What I perceived at the LibreOffice Conference is, that developers do
care about the LibreOffice we have, and that there are more support
requests by them than we (on libreoffice-ux-advise) do currently handle
(providing facts, collect requirements, do competition analysis, provide
UI proposals, test daily builds, ...).

Here, again, a hint towards the presentation we gave at the LibreOffice
Conference:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/e/e6/2011-10-15v3_LibOCon_Non-Hacker-Tasks_Schnabel-Noack.pdf

[...]

So finally, what's the takeaway of my mail?
  * Improving the normal LibreOffice will help to get a better
product on other platforms as well. But that needs helping
hands.
  * People who are interested can work on the iOS/Android stuff
without the need to convince developers or the whole community
in advance. There is a lot theoretical stuff that can be done,
even before developers touch the visible parts of the UI.

Cheers,
Christoph


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Discussion about Extensions-Site-Layout

2011-10-22 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi all,

it is already 1:30 am, so wildly jumping into the discussion ... :-)

Am Sonntag, den 23.10.2011, 00:02 +0200 schrieb Astron:
 Hi everybody,
 
 as the person who created the original version of sharp-triangled
 Extensions  Templates logo (ie [1]): I absolutely second Nik's
 request. If you need more of an eyecatcher, just make the entire image
 (a little) larger. The current logo looks butchered badly (and it is,
 given that I and later you modified Nik's good original logo).

I also second Nik's request for several reasons. Furthermore, I'd like
to add that the current logo needs an enormous amount of space that eats
away space for the actual content of the page. I would even suggest to
make the pages close to the default LibreOffice site, so that users feel
at home (whilst knowing where to look for the logo).

By the way, I know that you explained to me that its not possible to
combine the Extensions and the Templates page ... so an idea for the
future. The X could also be used for LibreOffice E*x*tras covering
both topics.

 Overall, though, the focus shouldn't be on the logo too much, but
 rather on the content: a grid of newly-uploaded/curated/rave-reviewed
 extensions and only two lines of text would be great.
 
 By the way, your (Nik's) homepage proposal looks good apart from the
 fact that there's still no action on the site (see above).

+1

The question to me is, what arethe most important tasks on the website?
I guess ...
 1. Getting extensions / templates ... so users should get an
initial idea (so showing e.g. the most recent or best rated
items - from here, people should be able to get further
collections)
 2. Getting information about LibreOffice (to know that this is an
official page, to get information about us if the user
approaches the page by accident)
 3. Upload their own content (this needs refinement as well ...)

Our interest might also be to: ask for donations.

Personally, I consider this a starting point for further User oriented
changes.

By the way, there are many categories to chose from (on the Templates
page). It might be helpful if we could consider the survey results what
people do with LibreOffice / OOo to make finding items easier. Does that
sound interesting?

[...]

Cheers,
Christoph


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