Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Bold and Italic icons

2012-04-06 Thread Mirek M.
2012/4/5 ape os...@yandex.ru

 Hi Mirek,

 Replacing the letter A will be a big mistake.
 It seems to me the letter A should be used in other themes. We can delete
 folders images.zip/cmd/{localy}, if we use the symbol A. This will help
 reduce the program code and the size of image's archives, and The
 LibreOffice will work slightly faster than before.


I agree.

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[libreoffice-design] User testing icons

2012-04-06 Thread Björn Balazs
Hi all,

I am sorry, but again, I wont make it for the meeting today. 

But there is one thought I would like too add: You could shortcut a lot of 
discussions about how to make icons, if you simply user test them. In other 
words: create alternatives and let users decide which is the best.

In the past we have made some good experiences with user tests in LO. The tool 
we used will be published as free software soonish and I can offer to host 
running the tests even before that. Perhaps Christoph can tell a bit more in 
todays meeting (if he is there). I any case I will be more than happy to 
support creating, conducting and evaluating the tests.

Cheers,
Björn

Am Freitag, 6. April 2012, 12:29:35 schrieb Mirek M.:
 2012/4/5 ape os...@yandex.ru
 
  Hi Mirek,
  
  Replacing the letter A will be a big mistake.
  It seems to me the letter A should be used in other themes. We can
  delete
  folders images.zip/cmd/{localy}, if we use the symbol A. This will
  help
  reduce the program code and the size of image's archives, and The
  LibreOffice will work slightly faster than before.
 
 I agree.
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Re: [libreoffice-design] User testing icons

2012-04-06 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
Hi Björn, Stephan

I agree it's sort of a must have to user test the icons. ACtually, I didn't
have a lot of time (lot of work at school), and I will not be since end of
May I think, but from time to time I +1 you !!!

Kévin

2012/4/6 Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@googlemail.com

 Hi Björn,

  I am sorry, but again, I wont make it for the meeting today.

 The meeting is tomorrow, so if you could make it that would be great!


  But there is one thought I would like too add: You could shortcut a lot
 of
  discussions about how to make icons, if you simply user test them. In
 other
  words: create alternatives and let users decide which is the best.

 Sounds like a good idea to me but I am not very involved in making the
 new icon theme...


 Astron.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] IRC meeting this Saturday at 16:00 GMT

2012-04-06 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
Hi everyone !

I will try to be there, but as I said in my previous mail about user
tessting for icons, I'm very busy these times (and it will be like that
until end of May). Hope I will be able to come !

Kévin

2012/4/6 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com

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Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Bold and Italic icons

2012-04-06 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
Hi

Even if I don't think it will reduce program code and make LibreOffice work
really faster, I think it's better use A just because we can't localize
icons for every language today, it's too much work.

Kévin

2012/4/6 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com

 2012/4/5 ape os...@yandex.ru

  Hi Mirek,
 
  Replacing the letter A will be a big mistake.
  It seems to me the letter A should be used in other themes. We can
 delete
  folders images.zip/cmd/{localy}, if we use the symbol A. This will
 help
  reduce the program code and the size of image's archives, and The
  LibreOffice will work slightly faster than before.
 

 I agree.

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Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Bold and Italic icons

2012-04-06 Thread Andrew Pullins
Yah I'm a porgrammer and that won't make LibreOffice any faster. All it
will do is make the download and program smaller whitch will make users
happy. so we should still do it, but it won't make LO any faster. It's
going to load one icon just as fast as any other.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] User testing icons

2012-04-06 Thread Andrew Pullins
I don't like the idea of letting the users test the icons. There are many
things that the users can test that would benifit us, but the disign of
things is not one of them. If they have something that they would like to
be different then they can join the team, or find a way to help. I think we
would work on making the icons look relitivly the same. As though they were
made by one artist, and not by eight.

Besides I don't think that user really care what we make as long as we
revamp the crap that we have now. If you go back and read the comments to
the OMG!Ububtu article about the Citrus UI [1] you will see that all the
users loved the UI, and that they could not stand our new one.

If you want you can get there opinion of all the icons together once we
have them done. But most users don't enven care as long as we make it look
pritty. My friend does not even care about that, she is fine with it the
way it is. zshe just likes it because its free, and she can write docs for
school.

[1]
www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/citrus-a-libreoffice-interface-for-today/

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Android UI rework

2012-04-06 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
Hi Jonathan

I'm not sure it can be done quickly without a lot of memory. Then I'm not a
programmer so we should ask one. Else, I think there is the problem of
where is my file.  For me, your solution is great but as an optional
search, I think people want to know, and organize their files, so they need
either an easy way to do this, or a complete file explorer.

Kévin

2012/4/3 Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com

 After the discussions yesterday and looking at some already existing apps,
 I think i have developed a plan to move forward with  being able to read
 and just open documents for starters.

 I was thinking instead of providing the user with the whole Directory
 tree, what do you guys think of giving a file explorer, but that would
 search the system and just display all documents and file formats that can
 be opened by LO?

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Android UI rework

2012-04-06 Thread Jonathan Aquilina

On 06/04/2012 18:12, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote:

Hi Jonathan

I'm not sure it can be done quickly without a lot of memory. Then I'm not a
programmer so we should ask one. Else, I think there is the problem of
where is my file.  For me, your solution is great but as an optional
search, I think people want to know, and organize their files, so they need
either an easy way to do this, or a complete file explorer.

Kévin


With my idea we could take it a step further and add a path to the file 
list to show the user where the file is stored. I am thinking out side 
the box here, since we dont want to be like other office suites which 
are available, but one that provides something the others would want to 
follow suite and adopt.


2012/4/3 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com


After the discussions yesterday and looking at some already existing apps,
I think i have developed a plan to move forward with  being able to read
and just open documents for starters.

I was thinking instead of providing the user with the whole Directory
tree, what do you guys think of giving a file explorer, but that would
search the system and just display all documents and file formats that can
be opened by LO?

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Android UI work

2012-04-06 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
2012/4/2 Alexander Wilms alexander.wi...@zoho.com

 Sorry, that's the correct link: http://wiki.**
 documentfoundation.org/Design/**Whiteboards/Tablet_Writerhttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Tablet_Writer

 Am 02.04.2012 16:05, schrieb Alexander Wilms:

  Hi Jonathan,

 that sounds great! Here is a whiteboard regarding the design of a LibO
 tablet UI: 
 http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/File:**Insert_bar.pnghttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Insert_bar.png

 Hope that helps

 Alex

 Am 02.04.2012 14:30, schrieb Jonathan Aquilina:

 I just got an email from Charles about you guys working on android
 specifications for what you would like in the UI. I have been communicating
 with Tor on the developers list as to how to go about getting what I have
 so far integrated into version control.

 Tor suggested we start with getting a UI together that works with MIME
 types to be able to open the files. Is this a good way to start? I have
 installed thinkfree office on my device so I have a clearer understanding
 of what I would need to do to move forward with reading files.

 Are the specifications listed anywhere so I can start following them?


 Regards

 Jonathan Aquilina









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Re: [libreoffice-design] Android UI work

2012-04-06 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
Hi Mirek,

I just had a look to your mockups for file manager on tablet UI,and I must
say I like this one
https://clickortap.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/files1.png
it seems me easy use, not cluttered...

One thing that, I think, is missing is a way to distinguish/access files
synced (Gdocs or other services) and maybe shared (by yourself or friend
with you).

 What do you think about that ? I thought it could be in the same  space, a
line above (can't make mockups actually, I don't have the time, I will as
soon as possible).

Kévin

2012/4/2 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com

 2012/4/2 Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com

  I just got an email from Charles about you guys working on android
  specifications for what you would like in the UI. I have been
 communicating
  with Tor on the developers list as to how to go about getting what I have
  so far integrated into version control.
 
  Tor suggested we start with getting a UI together that works with MIME
  types to be able to open the files. Is this a good way to start? I have
  installed thinkfree office on my device so I have a clearer understanding
  of what I would need to do to move forward with reading files.
 
  Are the specifications listed anywhere so I can start following them?
 

 Hi Jonathan,
 You mean the file manager, right?
 No specs yet, though I started a whiteboard for this purpose [1]. It's not
 tablet-only, since a file manager would be helpful for the desktop version
 as well (especially since LibO is slowly getting into collaboration). It'd
 be helpful to know the scope from a development perspective. For example,
 should the design consider synchronization features (e.g.
 sync/collaboration for Google Docs) or is it too early for that?


 A while ago I made a mockup for what a file browser could look like on a
 tablet [2] -- maybe that could be of use to you?

 [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/File_Manager
 [2] http://clickortap.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/files1.png

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Android UI rework

2012-04-06 Thread Jonathan Aquilina

On 06/04/2012 18:42, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote:

Yes having the path can be a good solution. What could be done is to  have
your solution almost as actually, and maybe when a file is selected,
showing its path on the top of the window (Something like that).

Kévin


Or a little text box on the bottom I think i need to get my android 
project into master branch then proceed from there.




2012/4/6 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com


On 06/04/2012 18:12, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote:


Hi Jonathan

I'm not sure it can be done quickly without a lot of memory. Then I'm not
a
programmer so we should ask one. Else, I think there is the problem of
where is my file.  For me, your solution is great but as an optional
search, I think people want to know, and organize their files, so they
need
either an easy way to do this, or a complete file explorer.

Kévin


With my idea we could take it a step further and add a path to the file
list to show the user where the file is stored. I am thinking out side the
box here, since we dont want to be like other office suites which are
available, but one that provides something the others would want to follow
suite and adopt.


2012/4/3 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051387@gmail.**comeagles051...@gmail.com
  After the discussions yesterday and looking at some already existing

apps,
I think i have developed a plan to move forward with  being able to read
and just open documents for starters.

I was thinking instead of providing the user with the whole Directory
tree, what do you guys think of giving a file explorer, but that would
search the system and just display all documents and file formats that
can
be opened by LO?

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Android UI rework

2012-04-06 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
Yes it could to. Maybe it didn't even need to show the location if you
don't ask it (having it in a file property dialog maybe)

2012/4/6 Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com

 On 06/04/2012 18:42, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote:

 Yes having the path can be a good solution. What could be done is to  have
 your solution almost as actually, and maybe when a file is selected,
 showing its path on the top of the window (Something like that).

 Kévin


 Or a little text box on the bottom I think i need to get my android
 project into master branch then proceed from there.


 2012/4/6 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051387@gmail.**comeagles051...@gmail.com
 

  On 06/04/2012 18:12, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote:

  Hi Jonathan

 I'm not sure it can be done quickly without a lot of memory. Then I'm
 not
 a
 programmer so we should ask one. Else, I think there is the problem of
 where is my file.  For me, your solution is great but as an optional
 search, I think people want to know, and organize their files, so they
 need
 either an easy way to do this, or a complete file explorer.

 Kévin

  With my idea we could take it a step further and add a path to the file
 list to show the user where the file is stored. I am thinking out side
 the
 box here, since we dont want to be like other office suites which are
 available, but one that provides something the others would want to
 follow
 suite and adopt.

  2012/4/3 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051387@gmail.com
 eagles051...@gmail.com

  After the discussions yesterday and looking at some already existing

 apps,
 I think i have developed a plan to move forward with  being able to
 read
 and just open documents for starters.

 I was thinking instead of providing the user with the whole Directory
 tree, what do you guys think of giving a file explorer, but that would
 search the system and just display all documents and file formats that
 can
 be opened by LO?

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Android UI rework

2012-04-06 Thread Jonathan Aquilina

On 06/04/2012 18:54, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote:

Yes it could to. Maybe it didn't even need to show the location if you
don't ask it (having it in a file property dialog maybe)
Agreed, there are so many ways that we could take this i think for now 
we just keep it simple and move forward with the work. then adapt and 
recode as necessary.




2012/4/6 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com


On 06/04/2012 18:42, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote:


Yes having the path can be a good solution. What could be done is to  have
your solution almost as actually, and maybe when a file is selected,
showing its path on the top of the window (Something like that).

Kévin


Or a little text box on the bottom I think i need to get my android
project into master branch then proceed from there.



2012/4/6 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051387@gmail.**comeagles051...@gmail.com
  On 06/04/2012 18:12, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote:

  Hi Jonathan

I'm not sure it can be done quickly without a lot of memory. Then I'm
not
a
programmer so we should ask one. Else, I think there is the problem of
where is my file.  For me, your solution is great but as an optional
search, I think people want to know, and organize their files, so they
need
either an easy way to do this, or a complete file explorer.

Kévin

  With my idea we could take it a step further and add a path to the file

list to show the user where the file is stored. I am thinking out side
the
box here, since we dont want to be like other office suites which are
available, but one that provides something the others would want to
follow
suite and adopt.

  2012/4/3 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051387@gmail.com

eagles051...@gmail.com

  After the discussions yesterday and looking at some already existing


apps,
I think i have developed a plan to move forward with  being able to
read
and just open documents for starters.

I was thinking instead of providing the user with the whole Directory
tree, what do you guys think of giving a file explorer, but that would
search the system and just display all documents and file formats that
can
be opened by LO?

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Landscape, Portrait mode icons

2012-04-06 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
It's far too late to answer, but I didn't had time before. My favorite one
is the Mirek one with the doted line for the old orientation. I prefer this
one because for me, having lines in the page is useless for this icon.

Kévin

2012/3/27 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com

 what does any one think about the doted line behind the document in my
 icons. Does it seem to be too close together or is it good?

 On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote:

  This discussion seems to have hit a dead end.
  Please add your voice.
  (Note that I amended my proposal with two variants of the previous state
  outline, the latest of which I prefer to the original.)
 
  2012/3/18 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com
 
   I like the pages of  Ivan's icons but I like how Mirik's icons show
   the previous orientation and the arrow to the next orientation.
  
   On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Hi everyone,
Another week's over and there's another set of icons to discuss --
  namely
the Landscape Mode and Portrait Mode icons [1].
There are two proposals this week. Please reply with likes and
 dislikes
about both, the icons will be modified accordingly.
   
[1]
   
   
  
 
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set#Landscape_Mode.2C_Portrait_Mode
   
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Call for proposals: New Document

2012-04-06 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
Hi Mirek,

I like your new document icon, but I think you should move a little the +
logo (to have the same space horizontally and vertically between '+' logo
and the document). I will try to make that this week (I'm one my tablet
actually, in the train, it's impossible !)

Kévin

2012/4/1 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com

 I can see what Mirek is trying to say with confusing the icons with
 different function. we know what it stands for because the proposal is for
 a New Document icon. but new users may not understand what each icon
 means, and putting the logo into the icon makes it more easily
 understandable of what it does. I saw nothing wrong with Tobias icon till
 Mirek said that it could be a new rectangle or page. maybe it the icon had
 the fold in the page as we are all used to, but that may also be
 interpreted as a new page and not a new document.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Landscape, Portrait mode icons

2012-04-06 Thread Andrew Pullins
Hello

I just updated my icon. look through the history of the icon and tell me
which one you likes best.

Andrew/Android272

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.frwrote:

 It's far too late to answer, but I didn't had time before. My favorite one
 is the Mirek one with the doted line for the old orientation. I prefer this
 one because for me, having lines in the page is useless for this icon.

 Kévin

 2012/3/27 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com

  what does any one think about the doted line behind the document in my
  icons. Does it seem to be too close together or is it good?
 
  On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   This discussion seems to have hit a dead end.
   Please add your voice.
   (Note that I amended my proposal with two variants of the previous
 state
   outline, the latest of which I prefer to the original.)
  
   2012/3/18 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com
  
I like the pages of  Ivan's icons but I like how Mirik's icons show
the previous orientation and the arrow to the next orientation.
   
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 Hi everyone,
 Another week's over and there's another set of icons to discuss --
   namely
 the Landscape Mode and Portrait Mode icons [1].
 There are two proposals this week. Please reply with likes and
  dislikes
 about both, the icons will be modified accordingly.

 [1]


   
  
 
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set#Landscape_Mode.2C_Portrait_Mode

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[libreoffice-design] Change The Main Program's Window

2012-04-06 Thread ape
Hi all,

 Astron started working on changing Main program's window (soffice.exe). I
like when this window's icons have a large size. Does it need?
 Archive main_window.7z contains images that I use.
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3891169/main_window.7z
main_window.7z 
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ape
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Change The Main Program's Window

2012-04-06 Thread Andrew Pullins
Solo he took the document out of it? There is nothing else different about
it from how it is now. I don't know why but I do not like it.
On Apr 6, 2012 4:08 PM, ape os...@yandex.ru wrote:

 Hi all,

  Astron started working on changing Main program's window (soffice.exe). I
 like when this window's icons have a large size. Does it need?
  Archive main_window.7z contains images that I use.
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Android UI work

2012-04-06 Thread Mirek M.
2012/4/6 Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr

 Hi Mirek,

 I just had a look to your mockups for file manager on tablet UI,and I must
 say I like this one
 https://clickortap.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/files1.png
 it seems me easy use, not cluttered...

 One thing that, I think, is missing is a way to distinguish/access files
 synced (Gdocs or other services) and maybe shared (by yourself or friend
 with you).


I was thinking about doing the same thing that Gnome Documents plan to do
[1], essentially -- show a symbol on top of the shared and synced documents
and the name of the author below documents shared with you.


  What do you think about that ? I thought it could be in the same  space, a
 line above (can't make mockups actually, I don't have the time, I will as
 soon as possible).


I think it would be hard to keep it simple, but I'd love to see some
mockups. You can start with what I have [2].

[1] http://live.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Documents
[2]
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B_RBf0YVtxzkNGI4YjBlM2YtZjIzNi00YjBjLWI4YTgtMmRhOTdhM2I5ZjUy

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