[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Hi Mattias Many thanks for your comment, Le 02/05/13 03:03 AM, Mattias Põldaru a écrit : I took a look at these files. Please don't take it as much of a criticism but friendly notes on how to improve it. Here are my remarks: The logo on top green bar is vertically aligned to nothing. It would be pleasing on the eye if at least the paper icon looked vertically centered. And if possible, center text vertically as well (as done in previous versions). If you are talking about the logo itself, we do not have any choice. We must follow the design for logo external use as outlined on our wiki design page[1]. The logo is centered on each panel, if it is not, then, yes, it should be centered. As for goodlooking professional texts these usually have slightly smaller text with greater line spacing. IMHO 10,5 pt with 120% line spacing and 0.14 cm spacing below the paragraph looks fine. Although I don't think I would ever use Liberation fonts myself. We are trying to use fonts that are easily accessible to our members. The brochure is for external community use and the Liberation font is only a design suggestion. This is not the case with the official brochure where the font is specific and should be used. Right now we have 3 different greens on the page (front page logo, front page text and border). We should reduce it to one (or two, if one has to be pale). As for the white first page, saving ink is a good reason. But right now it looks kind of dull. Maybe if we would add a colorful image with all the icons flying out of LibreOffice box or something slightly fancy. Or use even more white (see linked file). Not sure if adding more objects on the brochure would make it print friendly. During our tests, we found that keeping to the LibreOffice design colors (greens) gave the best result as far as balancing the look and being easy on ink. These brochures will be printed on home printers for community, LUG, or small print runs. The panel positions on A4 doesn't exactly match, the positions from left should be 0,6 (was 0,51), 10,5 and 20,4 cm (was 20,48). And since you use panels the page text column gutter is not set, otherwise it should be double the border, 0,51 * 2 = 1,02 cm. Or was it to match up for the space lost when folding? (29,7−8,71⋅3)/6 = 0,595 (29,7−8,71⋅3)/6⋅3+8,71 = 10,495 (29,7−8,71⋅3)/6⋅5+8,71⋅2 = 20,395 We could play with the margin settings to make them better, sure, but in the end, the folding of the brochure needed enough space to allow for , as you say, space lost when folding. These will most likely be folded by hand. Feel free to modify the margins if this will make it easier to fold. We have to be careful as not to leave so little margin space that the folding will get harder to do. Again, these are community brochures. Since you use panels you could delete the bottom bar images and color the panel bottom border, which would make the problem of hiding images go away. I think I tried that, do you mean making the page itself green and the frame would then sit on the top? Maybe you could make a sample brochure of all these changes and show us? If you would like to do this, could you show us a sample before uploading it to the wiki brochure space? The design on the wiki page has already gone through a lot of discussion. Still, feel free to show us a modified brochure. Thanks for the comments and the help. Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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[libreoffice-design] Fostering project internal communication
Hello, sorry for spamming all the lists, but in the light of recent events and discussions, I'd like to make all of you aware of an important mailing list, that so far has not been used as extensively as it should be, which led to some frustration and communication issues. As part of our mission to foster the project internal communication, I'd like to tell you about our so called projects mailing list, which Sophie initiated quite a while ago, and which should be used for communication amongst the various projects - e.g. design and marketing, development and marketing, UX and development, and the like. The list's intention is not to be a gossip list where everything should be thrown at, but to make all affected projects aware of important changes. Philosophy: Low traffic, but important topics. Some examples are: Change of version numbers, a new slogan, design changes, new products. In other words: Everything that has an impact on other areas of working than the one where the change originally comes from. If one team decides LibreOffice will now be called different, and has a shiny new colour, surely marketing should know in time. Well, a bit of a made up example, but you get the point... ;-) We have seen some unpleasant events in the past, that based on my experience, are mostly due to the lack of communication, or due to miscommunication. To avoid that in the future, I'd like to call out to everyone of you, if you are active in one of the subprojects, to also join this mailing list by sending an empty e-mail to projects+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org and following the instructions mailed back. At least one or two representatives from *each* project should join this list, to act as a gateway. I will soon follow up further with some details and topics that have reached me the past weeks, and how we could solve them. Again, sorry for spamming, and have a great weekend! Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
On 05/04/2013 04:55 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Mattias Many thanks for your comment, Le 02/05/13 03:03 AM, Mattias Põldaru a écrit : I took a look at these files. Please don't take it as much of a criticism but friendly notes on how to improve it. Here are my remarks: The logo on top green bar is vertically aligned to nothing. It would be pleasing on the eye if at least the paper icon looked vertically centered. And if possible, center text vertically as well (as done in previous versions). If you are talking about the logo itself, we do not have any choice. We must follow the design for logo external use as outlined on our wiki design page[1]. The logo is centered on each panel, if it is not, then, yes, it should be centered. As for goodlooking professional texts these usually have slightly smaller text with greater line spacing. IMHO 10,5 pt with 120% line spacing and 0.14 cm spacing below the paragraph looks fine. Although I don't think I would ever use Liberation fonts myself. We are trying to use fonts that are easily accessible to our members. The brochure is for external community use and the Liberation font is only a design suggestion. This is not the case with the official brochure where the font is specific and should be used. Right now we have 3 different greens on the page (front page logo, front page text and border). We should reduce it to one (or two, if one has to be pale). As for the white first page, saving ink is a good reason. But right now it looks kind of dull. Maybe if we would add a colorful image with all the icons flying out of LibreOffice box or something slightly fancy. Or use even more white (see linked file). Not sure if adding more objects on the brochure would make it print friendly. During our tests, we found that keeping to the LibreOffice design colors (greens) gave the best result as far as balancing the look and being easy on ink. These brochures will be printed on home printers for community, LUG, or small print runs. The panel positions on A4 doesn't exactly match, the positions from left should be 0,6 (was 0,51), 10,5 and 20,4 cm (was 20,48). And since you use panels the page text column gutter is not set, otherwise it should be double the border, 0,51 * 2 = 1,02 cm. Or was it to match up for the space lost when folding? (29,7−8,71⋅3)/6 = 0,595 (29,7−8,71⋅3)/6⋅3+8,71 = 10,495 (29,7−8,71⋅3)/6⋅5+8,71⋅2 = 20,395 We could play with the margin settings to make them better, sure, but in the end, the folding of the brochure needed enough space to allow for , as you say, space lost when folding. These will most likely be folded by hand. Feel free to modify the margins if this will make it easier to fold. We have to be careful as not to leave so little margin space that the folding will get harder to do. Again, these are community brochures. Since you use panels you could delete the bottom bar images and color the panel bottom border, which would make the problem of hiding images go away. I think I tried that, do you mean making the page itself green and the frame would then sit on the top? Maybe you could make a sample brochure of all these changes and show us? If you would like to do this, could you show us a sample before uploading it to the wiki brochure space? The design on the wiki page has already gone through a lot of discussion. Still, feel free to show us a modified brochure. Thanks for the comments and the help. Marc The font suggestion help people so they can see what type/style of font we tend to use. Liberation Sans is one of the fonts that are installed with LO, correct? We could add that to the template. We do not want to suggest any font that need to be installed by the user post-install of LibreOffice itself. I know of one template that told you to use an Adobe font and those are expensive to purchase. Liberation Sans is free and should have been installed at the same time as LibreOffice was on a Windows and/or Linux system. I do not know about Mac's install, since I do not own one. That font looks good and it is free, just like LibreOffice. I have printed the community design out on pastel green paper using a monochrome laser printer. The brochure looks nice that way. But, if you want the green text and images printed, then some off white, bright white, or light pastel paper would well for my inkjet printer tests. The whole idea is to make a brochure easily printable for the home and/or home/office user to print and hand out them. The official brochure design needs the use of a professional printing service to make good quality copies. Our local marketers, like me, have very little budget to use to make, print, or buy their marketing materials. Being able to print a nice looking brochure on the low priced inkjet and monochrome laser printers is a need. If they are lucky, the marketing person has access to an inkjet printer that prints directly onto
