Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Design Team Kick-Off Step 4: Organizing our Work
Sounds good, thanks Bernhard. 2011/4/7 Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at Let's keep this topic as part of our WWN (what we need) wiki page to work on and decide in the near future, when we define the preferred tools for our work. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] some backgrounds for libreoffice
Hey Gaël, Just sign in on the wiki, then you can upload your files. 2011/4/5 gael.lori...@laposte.net gael.lori...@laposte.net Hi, Sorry I didn't know about attachments. Is that the place I have to go to ? : url=http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:Upload It says I have to be an administrator in order to use this option. Does that mean I merely have to be logged in or do only trusted users have access to this option ? Gaël Le 05/04/2011 19:43, Hillar Liiv a écrit : Hi, Where are these located? Attachments? Can you please upload these to The Document Foundation wiki or somewhere else. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page This mailing-list don't allow attachments. Hillar 2011/4/5 gael.lori...@laposte.net gael.lori...@laposte.net Hello to all of you. Please find attached some presentation backgrounds I've been making and using in my presentation. Some are better than others, you might want to start checking out LightWave or colorUnite first. all backgrounds fit the General Template category. Please check if I've licenced properly my work. I hope my contribution will be usefull to you. See you, Gaël -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Specification for Document Background (...)
Hey, cool topic. Has anyone tried something like that texture (the bumpy looking one on the mouse)? *http://tinyurl.com/3v5ym7t* I've seen that once in an app and it looked damn classy. Given every second app gives the user a choice of customizing or theming the interface (chrome, firefox), why not let the user have a choice? Joey 2011/4/5 Christopher Stark christopherst...@gmx.de Hi, I think the Motif-version of the background looks very nice!: The Gradient-version is also nice, but not as interesting. The regular shadows are a little boring I think. best regards christopher Am 03.04.2011 21:58, schrieb Christoph Noack: Hi all, I promised to work seriously on the topic ... so here is what I've achieved so far. I was unable to compress the thoughts in one single mail, so I've started a dedicated wiki page (a.k.a. specification) to describe the behavior for all the applications. Now, there are proposals for: * The document border (= outline and shadow) * The application background, gradient * The application background, motif (at the moment, it rather is an idea to think about) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Development/DocumentBackground @ Sébastien: I've stopped at some point, because I'd like to hear your comments, questions and your general opinion what can be implemented and whether you are still interested to work on this topic (I really hope so *g*). @ Nik: I'd like you to comment on the use of the motif patter - would that be somehow okay? Or maybe you have some improvement proposals ... @ Andrew: Does that still meet what you've intended with your proposal in fdo bug 31251? By applying the Tango Guidelines, I came very close to your initial shadow design. @ All: Please have a look at the specification and help to point out mistakes and issues ... Cheers, Christoph Am Mittwoch, den 30.03.2011, 23:23 +0200 schrieb Christoph Noack: Hi Sébastien, hi Design guys! Just a short update ... Am Mittwoch, den 09.03.2011, 07:57 +0100 schrieb Sébastien Le Ray: Hi again, Does one of you have a test build of LibreOffice or do you use released versions only? Since I'm going to make some more modifications to the design, I think this would be easier for us if some of the design team members had a master build to test modifications and give feedbacks. Screenshots are not always the best way to get a good feeling. True, true. Since daily builds [1] are available for Linux (yeah - thanks to all who made this possible), I gave it a try ... I've setup a VM with Fedora and installed a daily build to do some initial testing. To all design people, this might be a please try this at home message :-) So here is a screenshot of what I've got so far (default values): https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/UOyGR1nLSKhY2uHbYqVPww?feat=directlink Next step is to seriously work on the topic ... Cheers, Christoph [1] http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] Design task: LibreOffice Motif
There are small differences in opacity and color, but they seem to be neglectable in my eyes. The difference is even less disturbing on my Mint10 system (standard sRGB colorspace for the monitor); EyeOfGnome viewer versus Inkscape can be seen here: Small file http://www.nett.is/~sveinki/libreoffice/ScatterComparation-Mint10-800px.png and full screenshot http://www.nett.is/~sveinki/libreoffice/ScatterComparation-Mint10.png Once again, I think it has to do something with the png file having a separate colour space. We had that discussion some time ago. Could you try exporting it as jpeg and do the comparison again? Joey -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Save As file format redundancy
As far as I know the entries in the file dialog is created via strings like: static const char *files = ODT Text Document|*.odt|All files|*.*||; Windows itself does not automatically add the (.odt) at the end afaik. 2011/3/22 Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Daniel, hi Jared, I'm having a LibreOffice 3.3.1 on Ubuntu with Gnome specific file dialogs - it only states ODT Text Document (.odt). Do you use Windows? If yes, then it might relate to how the entries of this drop-down are created by the operating system: the first string (see above) being the one by LibO, the second part added by Windows. Okay, this is just a guess and doesn't excuse such weird behavior ... :-) Cheers, Christoph Christoph, I agree it seems to be a Windows thing. Just checked Win7 here and it shows the (*.odt). Seems to have been inherited from OOo. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Design Team Kick-Off Step 4: Organizing our Work (... causing some work for you *g*)
I added some thoughts, too (see the what we might need-section). One important thing I thought would come in handy would be a way to create polls in the wiki. 2011/3/17 Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@pt-global.com Hi. This is excellent work. This adds to the feeling well governed product development and provides a user with confidence and they can really see where things are going. The inclusion of bug processing is good as I had wondered how bugs were prioritised and moved through design to resolution. Cheers steve On 17/03/11 12:16, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Michel, sorry for not answering until now ... but today I'm happy to do it :-) Am Donnerstag, den 10.03.2011, 02:00 +0100 schrieb Michel RENON: Le 04/03/11 23:58, Christoph Noack a écrit : http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Kick-Off/WhatWeNeed#Introduction Any further thoughts on that topic? Speak up, please. This is your project! :-) I just took some time to add some proposals in this page. (feel free to move text if necessary) Very cool stuff, thank you! Personally, I'd love to comment some of your thoughts (which means full agreement) ... but I better wait a bit longer until more people joined to add their thoughts. And to be honest, I didn't want to look at your text in detail until being able to add my points - somehow helps me to stay focused. But now it seems that we have a very similar understanding (but addressed some unique items as well): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Kick-Off/WhatWeNeed#Proposals_by_Christoph_Noack And, you've added cool pictures by the way. The first one (shower faucet) was new to me - and is just amazing :-) So guys, you have the following options, please: * add some more thoughts, or ... * ask for more clarification (if items are not that clear), or ... * tell me that you think we're done (means: no more items expected, but removing items possible in the next steps) After that, we'll have a look at the items (valid or not, required or not, ...) and on the structure/grouping. Please consider to spend some time on it (even minutes will help), since this might be our groundwork for the next months (or maybe years). Thanks! Cheers, Christoph PS: Michel, your entry seems to be missing on the team page. After reading your thoughts, it seems that you have to stay with us ;-) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Flattr button
I'd replace that banner. I don't know about you but for me it carries the impression: now they have enough money. why spend something?. 2011/3/17 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Hi, Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2011-03-17 17.26: Where should it be added? that's a good point - I'm thinking about it just right now... :-) Maybe we should remove the top banner or make it smaller, and then add donation links via Flattr or PayPal instead? What do others think? Cc'ing the design list on this as well. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] ligatures in the logo
Agreed. Maybe I should save my efforts for the new, community-based logo ;-). 2011/3/16 Paulo José Amaro paul...@gmail.com Same here, B. Although, it's just because the kerning seems to be out of place without the other proposed changes, sadly. I think I'll not do help with that (and probably be counter-productive), but my personal taste is still for C [1]. ~Paulo [1] - http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/f/f1/LogoImprovementStep2.png -- Paulo José O. Amaro Estudante de Ciência da Computação / UFSJ Webdesigner / Linked E.J. Blogueiro / CasaTwain.com 2011/3/15 Johannes Bausch johannes.bau...@gmail.com Yes, to be honest, I don't like that half-broken ligature either. Maybe I really should only do something about the kerning. 2011/3/15 Daniel Merker daniel.mer...@wayne.edu My vote: B Why: It seems that the other option is employing a style that isn't consistent across the entire logo; moreover, it doesn't seem to match anything else. -Daniel Merker On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Hi Joey, all I think we manage to finalize this task soon - great work, Joey! Johannes Bausch schrieb: Hey, following your discussion I added another draft - which is rather a step backward, but I see that the connected ligature is your main concern. If I understand the comments right, some people feel more comfortable with the distinct characters. In fluent text they probably would not have even mentioned the difference (except the more balanced general visual impression), but in comparison with the present logo they felt different. Thanks for taking these thoughts into account and to present a compromise containing all the other tiny modifications you included in order to create an improved visual impression. [...] I compared your last proposal with the current logo here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo_ligature.png (force reload) If anybody wants to be pointed to the differences, please have a look at Joey's userpage in the wiki (I won't provide the link here, but you'll find it). For me it is much more important to compare the general impression rather than the tiny modifications. So I ask you to vote on this comparison: Which logo is more balanced and expresses better the feelings we want to be associated with LibreOffice? And if you prefer the present logo: Should we include the other modifications except the ffi in the old logo? Best regards Bernhard PS: I don't vote now, because some people might look at the image already with my voting in mind which might influence their decision... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] ligatures in the logo
2011/3/15 Catalin catalinf...@gmail.com B I respect your answer, but it would be very helpful if you told us why you chose B over A =). @Bernhard: thanks. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]
Hey Paulo, 2011/3/1 Paulo José Amaro paul...@gmail.com Sadly I can't see any image from the imageshack server. Could you add to the wiki? I'm actually curious about your friend's proposal. http://tinyurl.com/48rgtw I guess that's something InDesign does with OpenType Pro fonts (Minion etc.). And with sharpening filter I mean this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsharp_masking or another GIMP plugin to sharp image's edges (IMO, the best is the Inverse Diffusion of GIMP's GMIC plugin). They can be used to correct some kerning problems on the final generated bitmaps. Ah okay. But are we talking about the same kerning? How can a sharpening filter move letters about? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerning Maybe I just don't get it, sorry ^^. To the rest: Can we have a vote on the ligatures somehow? Or are there further suggestions? Thanks, Joey -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]
Hey Bernhard, 2011/3/2 Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at In your reply to my last mail I understood you in a way that you wanted to work on a new proposal. I added a third alternative (which I don't like very much). The logos on my page are only drafts; if we decide on one of them, I'll spend more time on it. At the moment I don't have another idea how to deal with the ligature - do you? I'd be more than glad to try another one. If you are not going to do so, we should bring together the different proposals on one wiki page, describe the advantages and disadvantages of each of them and vote. +1 I think it would be a good idea if everyone who votes would actually also tell what he/she dislikes about it. Can you edit my own wiki page? If so, I'd just make a subpage. But what we need to keep in mind: Changes being recognized by the average user / viewer will more likely be postponed until a new major or minor version than modifications leading only to a more balanced, professional and consistent visual impression. +1, I agree. Who has the final word on that? Your first proposal (see the tinyurl above) definitely falls in the first category in my eyes... Sure, it does look different, at least the fft. And if we go for it, we should be sure we want that ligature in our logo. Joey. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]
Hey, to gather some more opinions I thought it would be a good idea to have a poll somewhere else, so I asked people in a forum to cast their vote. Although I don't know whether this was a good idea (not really representative, game design forum, so people might be programmers) I thought you might be interested in the results: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Poll.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Poll.pngApparently noone likes the too fancy ligatures. Most people also complained about the logo in general, so I tried to explain why this is (and remains, for now) the logo of LibO. If you're interested in the comments, too, I'll send you the link. So... in the next days I'll make some final drafts and put up a voting page. If you have some final ideas please tell me. Greetings, Joey 2011/3/2 Johannes Bausch johannes.bau...@gmail.com Hey Bernhard, 2011/3/2 Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at In your reply to my last mail I understood you in a way that you wanted to work on a new proposal. I added a third alternative (which I don't like very much). The logos on my page are only drafts; if we decide on one of them, I'll spend more time on it. At the moment I don't have another idea how to deal with the ligature - do you? I'd be more than glad to try another one. If you are not going to do so, we should bring together the different proposals on one wiki page, describe the advantages and disadvantages of each of them and vote. +1 I think it would be a good idea if everyone who votes would actually also tell what he/she dislikes about it. Can you edit my own wiki page? If so, I'd just make a subpage. But what we need to keep in mind: Changes being recognized by the average user / viewer will more likely be postponed until a new major or minor version than modifications leading only to a more balanced, professional and consistent visual impression. +1, I agree. Who has the final word on that? Your first proposal (see the tinyurl above) definitely falls in the first category in my eyes... Sure, it does look different, at least the fft. And if we go for it, we should be sure we want that ligature in our logo. Joey. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]
Hey Bernhard, all, sorry for not having repsonded so far. I'll try to answer more in time in future. I've added a third alternative where both f's have the same shape (note however, that I had to cap the first f so that the upper tip does not collide with the next f. If I had just copied the second one it would have looked really ugly - I'm sure you realize that, I just thought I should mention it). I think having the same curvature for both fs is indeed the way to go. I'll keep that in mind for the final design. Another thing I tried was to have equal spacing for all three letters - which does not look good. Bernhard, you said that the i is lighter than the f and therefore could be moved to the left - that is exactly what I have done in the previous examples, although it seems as if I forgot to mention it. I added a note on that on the wiki. So equal spacing: not good. Even spacing: good. The other thing I tried was to incorporate the suggestion of my friend ( http://tinyurl.com/6x7fyg7) which looked even worse than without any ligature. 2011/2/28 Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at It looks different from the original Vegur f, but a slightly stronger bending doesn't harm the general impression in my eyes. Since the Vegur font has no ligatures the ligatures will look different from the normal letters anyway. I try and match them as good as I can. Also, it seems to me that there are currently two open threads in the design list. I try to merge them ^^: 2011/3/1 Paulo José paul...@gmail.com *The Ligatures*: I think the ligatures in the fi letters was a very welcome surprise. It's true they remember a serifed font, but I personally love the way you put this serifed feeling on the LibO logo! I think it makes the logo very particular and organic. I don't see any reason to don't mix serif and sans-serif font when it's obviously look intentional and well done. @Paulo: thanks for your positive comments. I know this is personal taste but since everyone told me it would look like a serifed font I stopped thinking about it. But now that you say you like it, I must say that I agree. All alternatives to the one I first did (just for reference: http://tinyurl.com/63ku3mw) look more nervous because there are more gaps and more open tips. Since I got so little (in terms of different people) feedback on this I'd like to ask others to give their opinion on the logos. Just a short looks good/doesn't look good would be really great. I'll also try and ask some friends of mine. *Manual kerning*: Well, I'm not the right person to talk about it, but I'm not sure if it's worth, since you can ever make use of a sharpening filter for images. But the changes you've done on the letters shape are a great improvement and make the things much... sexy [I can't find a better adjective]. A note: It seems the D on Document has not a correct kerning, but like I've said, it could be easily adjusted with a sharpening filter. What do you mean with sharpening filter? I agree that the sharp corners on the logo were a bad idea. Let's forget about them ^^. Thanks, Joey -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]
RGB ES schrieb: I can see a problem on this discussion: a sans serif i should not have, ehr, serifs... True, but ligatures per se are not serifs. If they look like a serif then there's something wrong. I asked a friend of mine who studies design to have a look at that issue, and she told me that many sans serif fonts do indeed have ffi ligatures, just as Bernhard said. She also had another idea, which I'll also give a try: http://tinyurl.com/6x7fyg7 Only on serif fonts it is ok to link the f and the i (and to make the f grab the dot from the i), but not on sans serif or grotesque fonts. I don't think that's correct. Ligatures are just a way to make the text look more even and to avoid tiny gaps and collisions. Have a look at the original logo: the i is shifted to the right (it has a larger distance from the second f than the first two f's). This creates an ugly white gap in between the f and the i. To avoid that, one shifts the i to the left. Without ligature (which just means: changing individual letters) both the dot on the i as well as the bar on the f collide with the other letter. Thus, one needs ligatures. (Sorry if I'm repeating stuff you already said, Bernhard. You're right with what you say.) @Bernhard: Do you mean the bow on the first f should also point towards the middle of the i? Or just bend exactly the same way the second f does? I raised the dot because I thought it looked better (I didn't think much about that, to be honest). I guess I wanted to avoid bending the f bow too much - if you leave the dot where it was and still want the f bow to point towards it, you have to bend it very strongly which doesn't look good. Therefore I centerd it on the line which is also the baseline of the first f's bow tip (see the detail images). I'll give above said things a try later and reply again when I'm done. Greetings, Joey -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] LibO logo
Hey, 2011/2/25 Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at sorry, but I might misinterpret your mail, because I don't remember whom you are citing (and you don't mention the author): Sorry for that. For me the whole discussion is a single thread in gmail. I'll remember to add the names in the future when necessary. I was quoting Martin. I have done two alternative ligatures, maybe they are better suited for the font, since they're not so obtrusive. You can see them here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Joey#Alternative_Ligatures PS: It seems that my latest mails to this list sound a bit negative - they aren't meant at all as criticism! I fully support your approach to improve the logo by balancing the character distances and the general visual impression. I hope you take my comments as positive and constructive contribution to an important task! No offense taken =). It's really great of you all to give positive criticism and I value all your opinions, so thanks! One thing, though. Christoph, you said that people from China or countries with different alphabets might have problems reading ligatures. Is that really the case? I always thought it was easier to read texts with ligatures, because you don't read the distinct characters anyway but you rather perceive stuff like the shape of the headline and vertical bars etc.? That's an interesting topic, I'll have a look into this... Joey -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] LibO logo
Hey all, I really think your slight changes on the typeface improve the logo a lot Thanks, that's really good to hear. (aside from the question if it is already too late to change it now). Yeah... is it? I don't know. But for me as a ligature enthusiast the use of a ligature in the logo would create the impression that LibO is finally capable of handling ligatures of open type fonts - but unfortunately it is not... Well, but on purpose having a logo without ligature only because the software itself doesn't support it (yet) seems weird to me. Perhaps the proper moment to change the logo as you proposed would be the release of the LibO version that supports ligatures :) Maybe the logo gives some incentive to a programmer to implement it ;-). As all people take their resources off the wiki, would it be ok if I created all the other versions (coloured, contemporary, b/w, grayscale, inverted + different resolution pngs + eps + wmf + svg) and upload them to the wiki? Greetings, Joey -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] LibO logo (was: Collection of thoughts)
Hey, thanks Bernhard for your clearing words - I agree with what you say about changing the logo. You might be right that the community accepts a change towards the community branding (I'm not sure about companies who use it, though). Although funding is the main concern atm I have been working on the logo this afternoon and tried to incorporate your citicism. You can see my step-by-step improvement on my user page on the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Joey I tried to explain every step I did and why I think it was necessary. Finally, I've done a quick render in blender (see bottom of page). Comments critique as always welcome. Thanks, Joey 2011/2/22 Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at Hi Joey, all, Johannes Bausch schrieb: [...] For me it seems like we've already somehow finalized the design on the LibreOffice logo. Do all of you (really everyone) comply with the design? Because although we're aiming for a community-based design, I would strongly discourage you (us) from completely changing the logo at such a late time. The logo itself is one of the most important identifiers, so I would just work on the finishing. Because when we have all that incredible amount of graphics and media and so on, who is going to change the logo later on? Noone. Then we're stuck with what we have. I slightly disagree because of two reasons: Even if we came up now with a new logo, it would break what we have achieved by now. People have already produced marketing material, our logo has been presented to the public for nearly five months, two product versions contain it and have been marketed by this logo. So - if we just want to change the logo to something totally different, we are already too late. But: We can design a new logo and replace the present one, if there is a really good reason to do so. It has to be backed by a good marketing strategy, we probably need to combine this replacement with the release of a new major (or at least minor) product version. All this can be handled, provided that our users will follow us... With the community branding such a major positive effect can take place, strengthening our team and the community's perception in public. I can't tell you how the logo will look like after this effort: It might be kept (nearly) as it is, modified partially by keeping the general design language or changed more radically. Let's see, what we can achieve in the meantime. The logo is ok, but it has some flaws, as I've already pointed out. (some of which I've addressed, see e.g. the kerning issue in the wiki). Just for reference: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo.svg (Your logo_2 seems to fit more with the community branding) In my eyes slight modifications to the logo are possible, if they are small enough that people recognize it at the first glance. I reduced the space between symbol and text for the external logo, and caused by the different positions and sizes this logo looks different from the TDF logo. If you worked on kerning and ligatures of the logo text, this could be integrated in the main source quite soon. But I don't really like the ffi ligature: it looks a bit too serif instead of sans. Perhaps it's just me.. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] icon proposal (draft)
What I don't get, though, is, when you've already finished the icons some time ago - as it seems - then why are they not used in the official 3.3 release of LibO? And another thing (don't get me wrong here, I really only want to know where we are atm): the current logo. Is it the final version? 2011/2/19 Tobias Bernard berto...@gmail.com yeah, i know, i wanted to sign up on the wiki already last week but i really didn't have the time to do it;) i've alredy discussed the icon stuff with christoph and he told me kind of the same you did now, but i'd really like to improve the icons in some way. if not now, at least within the next releases... i know you discussed all that but i (and i'm not the only one) simply think they could look better. i'd like to work on the various stuff that is still needed, but, to be honest, i don't have enough time yet. if i can find the time i will do something but please don't expect too much;) greetings tobias Am Sonntag, den 20.02.2011, 03:47 +1100 schrieb Nik: Hi Tobias and Johannes, On 2/20/2011 2:36 AM, Johannes Bausch wrote: The coulored backgrounds would look good for the app icons, the ones with white background for the file icons. The ones with black border look better. 2011/2/19 Tobias Bernardberto...@gmail.com the proposals;) http://img194.imageshack.us/i/blackborder.png/ http://img11.imageshack.us/i/colorborder.png/ http://img23.imageshack.us/i/colorbgb.png/ Tobias, first, welcome to the Design team, I'm sure one of the leads will drop in momentarily to give you the run-down =) Your Designs are nice, the coloured ones though, lack a visual-association with a paper document. If you were going for more of an application look, it might be better to hint at the UI a bit more? And while I understand the Design temptation to space the lines in the writer icons more evenly, they now lack a semblance to dummy text paragraphs. In any case, I just wanted to mention some back-story about the reasons for the colouring of the icons. - The coloured outline of the icons was used to suggest a coloured/categorised folder containing the document - The light-grey inner outline was used to communicate the depth of a paper stack - The white interior was retained to capitalise on user's familiarity with the affordances of paper (white: write-able, greyed corners: flip-able) It took Bernhard, Christoph, Ivan, Jaron and Paulo many iterations before it was just right. And now that they are finished, to the satisfaction of this team, our focus has shifted to the next Design task: fund-raising. While I don't mean to dissuade you from contributing work on the icons, I think it's only fair to tell you that the icons are pretty much done and won't need to be touched for a while. Well not re-designed anyway, only finalised, by the above Designers. We could really use your hand on the fund-raising drive though; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/FoundationChallenge#Proposals Would you be up for that? Alternatively, there's plenty of stuff going on here; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Work_Items and be sure to add yourself to the new page of Design contributors; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Team -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Collection of thoughts
Hey, I see that the funding has top priority at the moment. * Finalizing the logo proposal without The Document Foundation tag line (request by the Steering Committee) One thing, again, on that topic. For me it seems like we've already somehow finalized the design on the LibreOffice logo. Do all of you (really everyone) comply with the design? Because although we're aiming for a community-based design, I would strongly discourage you (us) from completely changing the logo at such a late time. The logo itself is one of the most important identifiers, so I would just work on the finishing. Because when we have all that incredible amount of graphics and media and so on, who is going to change the logo later on? Noone. Then we're stuck with what we have. The logo is ok, but it has some flaws, as I've already pointed out. (some of which I've addressed, see e.g. the kerning issue in the wiki). Thanks, Joey -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Collection of thoughts
Hey, I think my last mail somehow got lost (just like me ^^) and now that I know where we are at the moment I'd like to start collecting thoughts on what should be done. I'm not sure whether our step 3 here http://tinyurl.com/67vb8st is already finished, so I suggest that we all say what should be done and then what oneself could contribute to it. (is that idea okay?) If you comply with it just start straight away =). Thanks, Joey -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
