[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] visually impaired people

2020-09-03 Thread Marc Paré
;>
>> *Selection of articles :*
>> https://www.aveuglesdefrance.org/actualites/luciole-une-police-de-caracteres-pour-les-professionnels-de-la-deficience-visuelle
>> http://www.lespep69.org/2020/02/aliquam-id-lectus-at-tincidunt-congue-ipsum/
>> https://www.handicapzero.org/depeches/depeches-handicapzero/detail-dune-depeche-handicapzero/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=5265
>> http://www.inja.fr/BDEA/doc/AGENDA/487
>> http://gpeaa.fr/police-pour-dv/
>> https://pro.bpi.fr/alphabib/luciole--une-police-de-caracteres-pour-la-deficience-visuelle
>> https://www.actualitte.com/article/monde-edition/font-luciole-une-typographie-pour-personnes-malvoyantes/99079
>>
>> The *Luciole* typeface has also been chosen as one of the 500 national
>> projects labeled by the French National Secretariat for People with
>> Disability.
>>
>> This project is already freely available: we do not try to *sell* it but to
>> *share* it.
>> Today, when a visually impaired child uses *Luciole*, he needs to install
>> the typeface on its computer, all his school teachers need to do this...
>> It would be much more simple to have *Luciole* as a part of *LibreOffice*.
>> Do you think it is a good idea? What needs to be done for this? Who should
>> I contact?
>>
>> To discover the project in detail:
>> *http://www.luciole-vision.com/luciole-en.html
>> <http://www.luciole-vision.com/luciole-en.html> *
>>
>> Yours truly
>>
>> *Jonathan Fabreguettes*
>> *www.ctrdv.fr <http://www.ctrdv.fr>*
>>


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Sticker designs and merchandise ideas for FOSDEM

2019-11-05 Thread Marc Paré
Le 19-11-04 à 09 h 49, Mike Saunders a écrit :
> Hello everyone,
> 
> At events such as FOSDEM, we give out LibreOffice stickers, such as the
> ones on the wiki here:
> 
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Material#Stickers_.28designs_for.29
> 
> For the upcoming FOSDEM event in February, we'd like to print some more
> stickers, but with a new design -- so we'd appreciate some ideas and
> input! Like, it'd be good to have stickers with a different shape,
> although we still need to adhere to the branding guidelines:
> 
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Guidelines_and_Best_Practices
> 
> If anyone has ideas or mockups, we'd love to see them :-)
> 
> Also, we're thinking of other merchandise ideas for our booth at FOSDEM.
> What else could we give away? Balloons is one idea, and I think the
> Gnome booth had socks this year! Of course, we have to think about
> budget too -- stickers are cheap enough that we can give them to every
> visitor, but for some things, we may only be able to give to a handful
> of people...
> 
> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
> 

Just FYI, that, I seem to run out of the "Document Liberation Project"
stickers quite often. Perhaps think about some merchandise ideas for
these too?

I like the socks idea! Our prime minister, Justin Trudeau, would
probably wear some! He is a sock fanatic!

https://www.google.com/search?q=justin+trudeau+socks=isch=univ=firefox-b-e=X=2ahUKEwjAj7rx09LlAhVkh-AKHUNkBycQsAR6BAgHEAE=1680=857

:-)

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Social media and website banners

2016-02-23 Thread Marc Paré

Hi KJ

Le 2016-02-23 10:47, K-J LibreOffice a écrit :



Some times ago I made some badges [2] based on Nik's proposal

[2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:K-j/Drafts#Badges




Any marketing team badges? ;-(

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Design for t-shirt ..

2016-01-17 Thread Marc Paré

Hi all,

Le 16/01/16 12:42 PM, Cor Nouws a écrit :

K-J LibreOffice wrote on 16-01-16 18:28:


If you don't get a better one you can take this (but if you take this I
want a t-shirt ;-) ):
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO-FOSDEM2016-G5-1.png


This morning David Berti (see yesterday's mail) send a design, which is
finished after some off list discussion.
I do like you design too, so there is at least already one for a next
year :)
Thanks a lot!
Cor




Will someone let us see what design David came up with? I would be 
interested in seeing it. Also, thanks KJ for your design, always nice to 
see your wonderful work!


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Remove SplashScreen

2015-10-04 Thread Marc Paré

Hi all,

Le 03/10/15 03:42 PM, Heiko Tietze a écrit :

On Friday 02 October 2015 16:46:39 Bryan Quigley wrote:

  * Most other apps aren't using splash screens anymore.  None of the
other apps on my Ubuntu desktop have splashscreens

Gimp has a splashscreen, just to mention one


  * It's a reminder of what tool you are using.  For users who don't
like LibreOffice this can cause a negative feedback loop.

Or a positive for those who love LibreOffice :-)

On the pro side
* Splashscreen offers an easy way for branding
* Slow maschines should be taken into consideration

I'd vote for a configuration switch, if at all, which is on by default.



From a marketing perspective and branding, I would vote to keep it as 
well, and as Heiko suggested, a configuration switch. I have had some 
boxes where the bios branding would come up and I switched it off, but 
later back on ... it just made me feel more comfortable knowing that 
something was loading with a banner on.


But, also, IMO, it allows the marketing team a way of solidifying brand 
recognition when LibreOffice boots up and even sneaking in an extra 
message or sub-line if we wanted to.


But definitely yes to a switch, which would be a good choice.

Cheers,

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[libreoffice-design] Re: LibreOffice logo with Free .. Fun .. Fantastic ... tagline

2015-02-01 Thread Marc Paré
I know that I am leaving an answer late on this, but here is a link to 
the file.


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_taglineFreeFunFantastic.svg

Marc


Le 2015-01-22 07:09, Cor Nouws a écrit :

Jan Holesovsky wrote on 22-01-15 12:50:


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/FOSDEM-2015

the section Designs from the previous years, both have that.


Thanks, at the bottom indeed.

However the one on the front had a line between:

   LibreOffice
--
Free Office . Suite Fun Project . Fantastic People

Can add that myself of course.




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[libreoffice-design] Re: CfP - Open Source Design Devroom at FOSDEM

2014-11-23 Thread Marc Paré
Apologies for top-posting, but, let me know if anyone is going to attend 
and I'll add it to our LibreOffice calendar. -- Marc


Le 22/11/14 05:57 AM, belen barros pena a écrit :

Hi all,

I just wanted to let you know that there will be a devroom about
software interface design at FOSDEM this year. People involved with
the design of LibreOffice might be interested in sending a proposal.
It would great to have you there.

This is the full CfP:

This is the Call for Participation for the FOSDEM 2015 Open Source
Design devroom. We invite you to send in your submissions about design
work on free, libre and open source projects.

FOSDEM is the Free and Open source Software Developers' European
Meeting, a free and non-commercial two-day weekend event that offers
open source contributors a place to meet, share ideas and collaborate.

For the first time this year, there will be a design devroom at
FOSDEM: a full day of talks around design work on free, libre and open
source projects. The Open Source Design devroom will take place on
Sunday, February 1st.

We mean ‘design’ in the broadest sense, from user research, to
interface and interaction design, typography, and usability testing -
all in the context of open source projects, which we believe
introduces unique challenges. Designers, and developers working with
designers are welcome to submit proposals.

What and how to submit
=

RECORDING AND LICENSING:

It is quite likely that the talks in the Open Source Design devroom
will be audio and video recorded. By submitting a proposal you consent
to be recorded and agree to license the content of your talk under a
Creative Commons Attribution (CC BY) license.

FORMAT:

30-minute presentations (we are leaving 15 minutes for questions and
discussion).

SUBMISSION DEADLINE:

1st December 2014

HOW TO SUBMIT:

All submissions are made in the Pentabarf event planning tool at

https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM15

When submitting your talk in Pentabarf, make sure to select the 'Open
source design devroom' as the 'Track'.

If you already have a Pentabarf account from a previous year, please
reuse it: create an account if, and only if, you don’t have one from a
previous year. If you have any issues with Pentabarf, do not despair:
contact

belenbarrospena at gmail dot com

WHO COORDINATES THIS OPEN SOURCE DESIGN DEVROOM THING?

Belén Barros Pena
Jan-Christoph Borchardt
Felix Niklas
Lewis Nyman
Dani Nordin
Hylke Bons
Lisa Rex
Roy Scholten
Philipp Sackl
Bastian Ilsø Hougaard
Mikael Korpela
Bernard Tyers




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[libreoffice-design] Re: Gran Canaria Hackfest Banner

2014-03-18 Thread Marc Paré

Le 17/03/14 06:36 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen a écrit :

Hi,

the GC Hackfest wiki page at:

  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/GranCanaria2014


I added the hackfest to our Google Events Calendar.

Marc


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[libreoffice-design] Re: The purpose of Impress

2014-01-24 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2014-01-22 16:16, Mirek M. a écrit :

I knew this was going to be brought up -- the word complement was chosen
deliberately.
Again, this is a question of focus.
I'd really prefer to focus on creating the best speech complements rather
than speech replacements, as, when given in conjunction with a speech, the
latter tends to take focus away from the speech. If the slides are a
full-on replacement, why is the presenter even there? Why not just autoplay
the slides?

That's not to say putting up only slides is worthless -- they often provide
a good overview of the speech.
That said, it's always better to provide the slides along with the talk
(video or audio, or even transcript), and that tends to be the norm
nowadays.


I believe what you are describing is an outcome ideal and not a 
functional use of Impress. IMO, we have to be careful to not purpose 
Impress to a narrow definition as it may lead to a tool that is rendered 
of less use for those who use it for what it essentially does best, and, 
that of slideshow presentations.


In education, we start school children experimenting with presentation 
software and later following with teaching them to complement their 
slideshows with speeches. It is only at the very end of their academic 
highschool years where we try to hone students skill sets at creating 
speeches that are in fact complemented by their slideshows.


What you are basing your present ideal of the tool is the outcome of all 
of this training. Till now, Impress fits in well with this type of 
training and it would be sad to see Impress being given a design purpose 
that sits only well with an end outcome goal.


IMO, giving Impress too narrow of a design purpose may result in having 
the very people who use it now to train early years students to look at 
using a different tool in primary/secondary school systems. It is pretty 
obvious to classroom teachers that tools used to teach young students 
are often times the tools they will use later on in life.


I see no purpose in moving the design of Impress away from what most 
people see it as being a good standalone slideshow tool. However, I see 
every reason to see Impress given an added design emphasis of not only 
being a good quality slideshow tool, but also one that helps in ways to 
complement speeches, for example, add some way to store presentation 
notes that may be read off a second screen, while the first screen runs 
the slideshow; or a way to store notes that accompany a slideshow, and 
where these notes may be pulled later to read along with the slideshow etc.)


We should be careful in giving any of our software too narrow a purpose 
definition, as we risk designing it for too narrow a slice of 
users/niche. Therein is where I would worry.


Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] Re: The purpose of Impress

2014-01-19 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Mirek,

Le 2014-01-19 08:45, Mirek M. a écrit :

Hi guys,
In order to be able to effectively design and shape the future of
LibreOffice modules, it is imperative that we define what these modules are
for. Knowing the purpose of each module will help us focus on doing one
thing well and avoid counterproductive feature creep.

Since, out of all the modules, Impress's purpose might be one of the
clearest, let's start with it.

My rough draft:
The purpose of Impress is to make it simple and quick to craft a slide
show to perfectly complement a speech.
Please comment on this.

I'd like to have the purpose decided on by the next IRC chat.



Sure, it can be be this, however, it should stand on its own merits 
without the speech as well. In reality, most people will use it to 
complement their speeches but also usually post it on some form of media 
storage (cloud, website etc.) for people to download and to view 
themselves without any accompanying speech.


So, sure, it can complement speech, BUT, it is usually intended to stand 
on its own merits for other people to read.


As for having this discussion on the marketing list ... we can make of 
the Impress module whatever we decide, whether a fancy slideshow, 
support for speech, entertainment package, photo repository, etc.


IMO, for design purposes, defining the Impress function discussion is 
fine on this list, but for the outside public, the marketing team should 
be putting on the descriptive face of Impress -- advertising as a one 
function module would not be in our best interest as it can serve many 
functions.


Cheers,

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Our First UX Hackfest

2013-11-22 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Mirek,

Le 2013-11-20 06:55, Mirek M. a écrit :

I'm happy to announce that we'll be having our first UX Hackfest right
after FOSDEM, thanks to the generous support of our friends at Betacowork:
http://www.betacowork.com/ -- give them a shout out if you can!

Read more at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2014, with
more information coming. Add your name if you'd like to come, either as a
designer or as a hacker. (And if you're both, you'll be doubly appreciated.)

And if anyone would like to provide a logo for the hackfest (along the
lines of the other hackfest logos[1]), you're more than welcome to propose
one.

[1] e.g. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:HHHackfest2013.png



I've added the event to our events calendar[1] and put mazelm as 
contact. Let me know if any modifications are needed.


Cheers,

Marc

[1] 
http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/libreoffice-international-events-calendar/



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[libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Conference 2013 Streams

2013-09-26 Thread Marc Paré
Not at LibreOffice Conference for some reason or another, or you just 
could not afford the trip? Sit back in your arm chair and join in on the 
streaming conference channels. There are re-broadcasts of sessions that 
you may find interesting.


You may even want to watch along with a little bruschetta or some 
risotto, just to make it feel like you are in Milan! :-)


You will find the feeds on our LibOCon.org site here: 
[http://conference.libreoffice.org/2013/en/streams]


BTW ... here are some group shots tweeted by Florian ... 
[https://plus.google.com/photos/116265564718884370181/albums/5927943226881893921]


Follow the conference on Twitter @Libocon (not many tweets yet)

I wish I could be there, have a great time guys!

Cheers,

Marc
Marketing Team Member
(Watching feeds from Canada)

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Features list and icons for display purposes

2013-07-15 Thread Marc Paré

Hi KJ and Oskar,


Le 2013-07-06 03:18, K-J LibreOffice a écrit :

Hi Marc:
Am 02.07.2013 17:31, schrieb Marc Paré:


* LibreOffice (this on has our generic icon)


An alternative proposal
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:K-j/Drafts/Design#Icons_for_BSA


The BSA has the LibO generic icon as a placeholder for:

* localization


A proposal for this:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:K-j/Drafts/Design#Icons_for_BSA




I am just now getting back to this. I am just now working on the 
website's new 4.1 Feature's page and am using some icons to mark off 
sections.


Re: the 2 icons proposed by KJ, I like both of these! I especially like 
the localization button! I will use these both on the new 4.1 website 
features page, unless there are any objections.


I re-scaled your icons to 40x49 -- this is what they worked out to when 
I reduced them in size in GIMP (the BSA icons are 40x48).


Cheers,

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Features list and icons for display purposes

2013-07-15 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Oskar,

Le 2013-07-06 05:41, Oskar Olsson a écrit :

Here is a new version where the proposed icons are listed
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/03/Features_Icons.svg
/Oskar




Thanks for this page. It is a nice summary of what icons we are now 
working with, along with some of your proposals. It would be nice if 
other people on the design team would comment of the proposed icon designs.


IMO, it would be best if we could keep to the LibreOffice page with 
corner tear-off design as a base for all of our icon designs.


Cheers,

Marc


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Features list and icons for display purposes

2013-07-02 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-06-28 11:34, Marc Paré a écrit :

This is a kind of re-post of a request I had made a few months ago.

I am wondering if any of the designers on this list would be interested
in working out some icons for the various sections on our release pages
where we already do not have any icons?

We are already using a variety of module icons to separate the sections
on the Features page, but, just for the sake of making it more
pleasing to the eyes it would be nice to have some icons for some of
the other section titles.

For example, on the 4.0 Features page
(http://www.libreoffice.org/download/4-0-new-features-and-fixes/), the
top half of that page shows the larger sections where new features
appear and they pretty well occur in the various LibreOffice modules; we
are using the module icons to visually identify these sections.

If you go further down the page though, you will see that there are
sections, that normally recur on every other Features pages on our
site, but, where there are no identifying icons.

If someone on this list would be interested, would it be possible to
work out some icons for some of these titles? To start off, the ones
that come to mind are and are usually on each features pages that we
have made up are: Filters, GUI, Localization  It would also be nice to
have some kind of icon to represent: performance, API, bugs.

The idea behind this request is to make the page more appealing by
having a little more designed icons to dress up the various sections.

Cheers,

Marc



Actually, I now realize that there are icons on the BSA (Bug Submission 
Assistant)[1] that are already made up that could be used.


The BSA already has:

* Writer
* Calc
* Impress
* Draw
* Base
* Chart
* Documentation
* Extensions
* www
* Installation
* Formula Editor
* Printing and PDF Export
* Android Impress Remote
* LibreOffice (this on has our generic icon)

The BSA has the LibO generic icon as a placeholder for:

* localization
* linguistic
* LibreOffice Basic
* UI

I guess we should coordinate with these icons.

It would be nice if the last 4 placeholders had some meaningful icons, 
then we could also use these in the features web pages if/when needed.


Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Behavioural questions

2013-06-29 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Oskar

Le 2013-06-29 04:15, Oskar Olsson a écrit :

Also, I have never use mailing lists before. Are there any guidelines on
how to use them? I tried to respond to mails I got but I don't know how
many people I am actually talking to.

regards/Oskar


When responding, make sure that you are responding to the group and not 
the individual. It should then post on the mailing list -- this is of 
course as long as you are registered properly to the mailing list.


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[libreoffice-design] Features list and icons for display purposes

2013-06-28 Thread Marc Paré

This is a kind of re-post of a request I had made a few months ago.

I am wondering if any of the designers on this list would be interested 
in working out some icons for the various sections on our release pages 
where we already do not have any icons?


We are already using a variety of module icons to separate the sections 
on the Features page, but, just for the sake of making it more 
pleasing to the eyes it would be nice to have some icons for some of 
the other section titles.


For example, on the 4.0 Features page 
(http://www.libreoffice.org/download/4-0-new-features-and-fixes/), the 
top half of that page shows the larger sections where new features 
appear and they pretty well occur in the various LibreOffice modules; we 
are using the module icons to visually identify these sections.


If you go further down the page though, you will see that there are 
sections, that normally recur on every other Features pages on our 
site, but, where there are no identifying icons.


If someone on this list would be interested, would it be possible to 
work out some icons for some of these titles? To start off, the ones 
that come to mind are and are usually on each features pages that we 
have made up are: Filters, GUI, Localization  It would also be nice to 
have some kind of icon to represent: performance, API, bugs.


The idea behind this request is to make the page more appealing by 
having a little more designed icons to dress up the various sections.


Cheers,

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Design resource page

2013-06-28 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-06-28 15:18, Oskar Olsson a écrit :

I found that the marketing department had a page with resources they can
use in their development process. How about a similar thing for UI design?
I just made a little SVG with default LibreOffice colors by typing in the
rgb values. This kind of palette in a svg format would be great to have as
an asset. Same thing goes for svgs containing UX elements for rapid
mockups: ubuntu (the default?) UI elements, Windows 7 UI elements, Android
UI elements etc. where the elements are things like button, slider,
dropdown etc. It feels stupid to redo what others have already done.
Regards/Oskar



Just to be clear on the Resources page, this is the same page listed 
on the Design wiki page menu that reads Artwork Resources. I have 
changed the name on the Marketing menu line to show Artwork Resources 
 to match the same as on the Design wiki menu.


The Visual Elements page is a Design/Marketing collaborative page where 
are posted artwork that have gone through an approval process by the 
Design/Marketing teams. When the marketing team requests for a design 
element, it normally asks the design list for their suggestions and when 
there is a design that is voted acceptable by both teams, then it is 
normally posted on the Visual Elements wiki page. We do not use if to 
store any design in the process of being worked on. However, we do keep 
our older design elements on that page, just in case we ever need to 
refer back to them.


But yes, that particular wiki page, the Visual Elements wiki page, is 
really for elements that are used in marketing but also applies to some 
website design elements as well.


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Community logo?

2013-06-25 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-06-24 10:09, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

Hello Marc,

Le Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:04:37 -0400,
Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com a écrit :


I am not sure if I am remembering this correctly, but was there not
someone on the design team who had made up a logo to represent
LibreOffice community? I seem to remember that someone had posted a
design of a logo that seemed to show/represent all of our communities
all in one logo.

Would anyone know where that design went to? We could maybe make use
of it on our community brochure.



We ended up the discussion by clarifying that such a logo was not
needed because LibreOffice IS the community As such I don't think it's
a good idea to reopen that thread nor to use that logo on the brochure.

Best,



Ah, thanks for the reminder. Yes I do now recall that discussion.

I wonder how/where we could post this decision so that we may refer to 
it if the topic is ever re-opened. Is there a place on the wiki where 
you think this could be posted? It should show on the design/marketing 
wiki somewhere. Otherwise, this information is left up to the memory of 
established design/marketing members who have been with the project 
since that discussion took place.


Would the LibreOffice Branding Guidelines wiki page be a good place to 
put this on? It would almost be in the form of a FAQ question with 
answer. We could add a FAQ section to that page and build on it.


Cheers,

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[libreoffice-design] Community logo?

2013-06-24 Thread Marc Paré
I am not sure if I am remembering this correctly, but was there not 
someone on the design team who had made up a logo to represent 
LibreOffice community? I seem to remember that someone had posted a 
design of a logo that seemed to show/represent all of our communities 
all in one logo.


Would anyone know where that design went to? We could maybe make use of 
it on our community brochure.


Cheers,

Marc


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Facebook page

2013-06-19 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-06-18 08:46, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

Le Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:22:20 +0200,
Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com a écrit :


Hi everyone,
Anyone want to take care of our Facebook page?
If not, does anyone mind if I get rid of it?
The page only has 77 likes, which is a far cry from the 2157 +1's we
get on Google+.
Given this number, I'd rather focus on our Google+ and Diaspora pages,
which are more in line with our freedom philosophy (Diaspora much
more than Google+, of course).



No No No. I can take care of it. Please make me an admin :-)

Best,



+1

Could someone also add a newer message too? The last message seemed a 
little negative. There could be a newer message of what the design team 
has been up to in the last couple of months?


Maybe also make the announcement on Design G+ that the Design Facebook 
site also exists?


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Need a small graphic for the General Information brochure

2013-05-20 Thread Marc Paré

Hi KJ

Le 19/05/13 10:11 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit :

Maybe something like [1]? The svg and png are here [2].
See an example in [3].
I'm using it here: [4].

[1]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:TDF_motifscatterHorizon_110318NS.png

[2]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif#Variants_for_Future_Use
[3]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif#Scatter_in-context_update
[4] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DE/Koordination#Get_Involved.21

I know that the motif was kicked away silently by all of the designers
who contributed in last time.


I'll try the motif on a brochure to see how it looks.

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Need a small graphic for the General Information brochure

2013-05-20 Thread Marc Paré

Hi KJ,

Le 20/05/13 09:23 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit :

Hi Tim,
Am 20.05.2013 13:32, schrieb Kracked_P_P---webmaster:
[...]


This version of the brochure has a simple black line.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr--black-line.odt



Thanks for it. That was a starting point to do two new proposals:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:K-j/Drafts#Lines_for_brochures



Nice work! I especially like the smaller ones with the green corner 
tear-off in the middle.[1][2]


Tim: could you test try the smaller ones and see if they print OK in 
colour. I don't have a colour printer. This would give us a better idea 
if one is better than the other.


Cheers,

Marc

[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lines-blgr1_draft_k-j.png

[2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lines-blgr2_draft_k-j.png

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Need a small graphic for the General Information brochure

2013-05-20 Thread Marc Paré

Le 20/05/13 12:55 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :

On 05/20/2013 09:53 AM, Marc Paré wrote:

Hi KJ,

Le 20/05/13 09:23 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit :

Hi Tim,
Am 20.05.2013 13:32, schrieb Kracked_P_P---webmaster:
[...]


This version of the brochure has a simple black line.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr--black-line.odt




Thanks for it. That was a starting point to do two new proposals:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:K-j/Drafts#Lines_for_brochures



Nice work! I especially like the smaller ones with the green corner
tear-off in the middle.[1][2]

Tim: could you test try the smaller ones and see if they print OK in
colour. I don't have a colour printer. This would give us a better
idea if one is better than the other.

Cheers,

Marc

[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lines-blgr1_draft_k-j.png

[2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lines-blgr2_draft_k-j.png



Are you asking me to add the [1] and [2] to the brochure and test it out
in color?

Will do. I just had to remember to leave the line where the ≈≈≈ is.
[that is not on my keyboard so I had to look it up in the older posting]
Then use a wrap through for the graphic image to keep the page/line
formatting correct.

OK, I used this image

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lines-blgr1_draft_k-j.png

in place of my simple line and it prints out fine on both my
monochrome laser and my Canon inkjet. I like that image over the blgr2
version.

Here is my test file.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr-green-triangle-1-line.odt





Thanks Tim! It looks quite nice!

I was a little worried that the triangle would not be large enough to 
look good when in colour print. On screen, it looks quite decent.


What do you all think? Should we go with the blgr1 design? It's quite a 
step up from the tilde line and native language groups should be able to 
manage to move it on their brochure depending on where their text ends.


I vote a +1 for it.

Cheers,

Marc



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[libreoffice-design] Need a small graphic for the General Information brochure

2013-05-19 Thread Marc Paré
In our General Information brochure[1], we (the marketing team) break 
some sections of text with a line that is made up of  ≈  
(tilde's). However, when we go to print, some printers interpret this 
line as a group of tilde's separated by micro-blank-space between each 
tilde OR other printers interpret this line as a group of tilde's but 
grouped together as one wavy line.


We should really be using a nice graphic to separate these sections. 
Would anyone on the design team have a good graphic that we could use 
instead of this line? We could then use the same graphic in all of our 
brochure-types that we are planning to write up.


The marketing team would really appreciate it if you could take a look 
at the brochure and see if you would have any suggestion(s) for a 
graphic replacement.


Cheers,

Marc

[1] 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-OfficialBrochure-GeneralInformation-USLtr.odt



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[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included

2013-05-09 Thread Marc Paré

Le 06/05/13 04:24 PM, Marc Paré a écrit :

Hi Mattias

Le 06/05/13 03:00 PM, Mattias Põldaru a écrit :

06.05.2013 17:55, Marc Paré kirjutas:

Could you please upload a version of the community template with the
new frames and the logo in the green bar. These are definitely good
updates to the templates.

Would it be possible for you to do this for both the A4 and the USLtr
versions?

Changed files are here:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-USLtr-v2.odt


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4-v2.odt




Regards
Mattias



Thanks! That is wonderful.

Cheers,

Marc





Just an FYI, I had to re-upload the files to the original wiki space as 
some teams had already passed around the original weblinks to others. So 
you can now find the files back on the original wiki pages here:



[1] 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4.odt


[2] 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-USLtr.odt


The links also appear on the main wiki page for the Brochures on this 
page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/brochuretypes


Sorry about all of the confusion.

Marc


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[libreoffice-design] Design list and UX-Design list purposes

2013-05-08 Thread Marc Paré

This is a note to all of the regular contributors to this list.

I was wondering if we could just do a quick defining of the Design 
list and its purposes. The reason I ask this is that I find that often 
people will post more UX related questions that would be better debated 
on that list.


I see the Design list as really being a list where LibreOfice design 
members are asked questions or asked to help out with designing icons, 
logo design, VI requests, designing of any parts of the LibreOffice 
suite elements ... essentially all that pertains to designing objects 
using a paint/vector programme. This would also include discussions re: 
needs of the marketing people.


The UX-design list, I see more a list where the discussion of extending 
or modifying the actual look and feel of LibreOffice and not the actual 
re-drawing or drawing of new elements using a paintingg/vector 
programme. The list is more concerned with discussions and examples of 
these new modification to the programme which would lead to some coding 
changes.


I am not sure if I have described the differences in these two lists 
enough for people to understand ... feel free to add your interpretation.


If we could ask people to respect these two differences, then we would 
then have a clear difference of the type of work expected on these lists 
and perhaps we could then advertise the fact that on the design list we 
are really looking for people who are merely interested in the drawing 
aspect of design and not that of the true design aspect of the distro. 
We may then be able to be more focused on our contributions on these two 
lists?


I find that we sometimes are in the middle of getting some good 
contribution done on this list when another post arrives and distracts 
enough to lessen the previous contribution and leads to less focus of 
the items.


I don't know about the other UX-designers, but it looks like the 
UX-members need to constantly watch the design list as well as the 
UX list just in case any UX questions are asked on the design list. We 
(on the design list) could do more moderation and ask that any posting 
of UX-related items should be re-posted on the correct UX list rather 
than allow it to be taken up on the design list. And, the UX members 
could do the same thing on the UX list.


Would this sound reasonable to the UX team and the design team?

Cheers,

Marc


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included

2013-05-06 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Mattias,

Le 05/05/13 06:35 AM, Mattias Põldaru a écrit :




* frames ... great! I love the fact that the green bar is now tied in
with the frame. This will cause fewer problems with community teams.

* LibreOffice white logo in the green bar, yes, great the spacing is
equal. Thanks!




Regards
Mattias



Could you please upload a version of the community template with the new 
frames and the logo in the green bar. These are definitely good updates 
to the templates.


Would it be possible for you to do this for both the A4 and the USLtr 
versions?


Note about naming the files ... could you make sure to keep the same 
name of the files but just add something like -v2 or -update? We are 
trying to make the file names as readable as possible.


Thanks for the help. Let me know if you can't do this and I will upload 
the new versions with your two updates.


Cheers,

Marc


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included

2013-05-06 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Mattias,

Le 05/05/13 06:35 AM, Mattias Põldaru a écrit :




* frames ... great! I love the fact that the green bar is now tied in
with the frame. This will cause fewer problems with community teams.

* LibreOffice white logo in the green bar, yes, great the spacing is
equal. Thanks!




Regards
Mattias



Could you please upload a version of the community template with the new 
frames and the logo in the green bar. These are definitely good updates 
to the templates.


Would it be possible for you to do this for both the A4 and the USLtr 
versions?


Note about naming the files ... could you make sure to keep the same 
name of the files but just add something like -v2 or -update? We are 
trying to make the file names as readable as possible.


Thanks for the help. Let me know if you can't do this and I will upload 
the new versions with your two updates.


Cheers,

Marc


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included

2013-05-06 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Mattias

Le 06/05/13 03:00 PM, Mattias Põldaru a écrit :

06.05.2013 17:55, Marc Paré kirjutas:

Could you please upload a version of the community template with the
new frames and the logo in the green bar. These are definitely good
updates to the templates.

Would it be possible for you to do this for both the A4 and the USLtr
versions?

Changed files are here:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-USLtr-v2.odt

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4-v2.odt



Regards
Mattias



Thanks! That is wonderful.

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included

2013-05-05 Thread Marc Paré

HI Mattias

Le 05/05/13 02:27 AM, Mattias Põldaru a écrit :

04.05.2013 11:55, Marc Paré kirjutas:


If you would like to do this, could you show us a sample before
uploading it to the wiki brochure space? The design on the wiki page
has already gone through a lot of discussion. Still, feel free to show
us a modified brochure.


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4-modified.odt


And comments on changes, the only somewhat noticeable change is the
front page which I like better with more white:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:2013-05-05-Note-09-21.pdf

Regards
Mattias



Thanks for the samples.

Here are my comments:

* panel 3 -- front page: I am not sure I like this design. From a 
marketing point of view, IMO, the white at the top of the panel, gives 
the impression that someone forgot to add some text, I don't think we 
are too concerned with the panel 3 focusing on the OS's as this is what 
we actually want to do ... we want people who have picked up our 
brochure to realize that we are on these 3 OS's (and eventually Android 
and possibly more).


* frames ... great! I love the fact that the green bar is now tied in 
with the frame. This will cause fewer problems with community teams.


* LibreOffice white logo in the green bar, yes, great the spacing is 
equal. Thanks!


* I printed up a sample of the included text in your example that you 
set at 120%. I am not sure that I agree with this spacing. It makes the 
brochure look unconventional and too metric. IMO, if we are to tweak 
anything, we should try to tweak the size of the font to make it more 
readable. We have gone through this exercise before with sample text and 
IMO this should be left to the decision of the marketing team who will 
be creating the text and basing it on their own impression of 
readability and how it fits into the brochure -- IMO, the spacing is 
more of a marketing decision and less of design decision. The marketing 
team will be creating content for about 15 types of brochure and they 
will all have different content, but use the same community template 
design.
** Don't forget, this thread is all about creating a community template 
without any text.




So IMO from your suggestions we could already:

* adopt the logo and the green bar (frame) changes into the template

* leave the sentence spacing to the marketing team, as it deals more 
with marketing issues and less of design issues.


* wait for other people's opinion on your suggestion for the panel 3 
(front page) design

** I would vote -1 on it, I prefer the original design.
*** We could change the panel 3 (front panel) design to the one that you 
suggest if some of the contributing designers on the list agree to the 
change. I would like to see Charles, Italo, Issa and Tim's comments on 
your panel 3 suggestion before accepting it as they have been 
contributing their comments the most on the designs.


Thanks for your help with the design. We really appreciate your help. We 
will have need for more design help with other marketing items later as 
well; it would be nice if you could help us with these items. Issa has 
also been a great help with the design of these brochures.


Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included

2013-05-04 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Mattias

Many thanks for your comment,

Le 02/05/13 03:03 AM, Mattias Põldaru a écrit :


I took a look at these files. Please don't take it as much of a
criticism but friendly notes on how to improve it.

Here are my remarks:

The logo on top green bar is vertically aligned to nothing. It would be
pleasing on the eye if at least the paper icon looked vertically
centered. And if possible, center text vertically as well (as done in
previous versions).


If you are talking about the logo itself, we do not have any choice. We 
must follow the design for logo external use as outlined on our wiki 
design page[1]. The logo is centered on each panel, if it is not, then, 
yes, it should be centered.




As for goodlooking professional texts these usually have slightly
smaller text with greater line spacing. IMHO 10,5 pt with 120% line
spacing and 0.14 cm spacing below the paragraph looks fine. Although I
don't think I would ever use Liberation fonts myself.


We are trying to use fonts that are easily accessible to our members. 
The brochure is for external community use and the Liberation font is 
only a design suggestion. This is not the case with the official 
brochure where the font is specific and should be used.




Right now we have 3 different greens on the page (front page logo, front
page text and border). We should reduce it to one (or two, if one has to
be pale).

As for the white first page, saving ink is a good reason. But right now
it looks kind of dull. Maybe if we would add a colorful image with all
the icons flying out of LibreOffice box or something slightly fancy. Or
use even more white (see linked file).


Not sure if adding more objects on the brochure would make it print 
friendly. During our tests, we found that keeping to the LibreOffice 
design colors (greens) gave the best result as far as balancing the look 
and being easy on ink. These brochures will be printed on home printers 
for community, LUG, or small print runs.




The panel positions on A4 doesn't exactly match, the positions from left
should be 0,6 (was 0,51), 10,5 and 20,4 cm (was 20,48). And since you
use panels the page text column gutter is not set, otherwise it should
be double the border, 0,51 * 2 = 1,02 cm. Or was it to match up for the
space lost when folding?
(29,7−8,71⋅3)/6   = 0,595
(29,7−8,71⋅3)/6⋅3+8,71   = 10,495
(29,7−8,71⋅3)/6⋅5+8,71⋅2   = 20,395


We could play with the margin settings to make them better, sure, but in 
the end, the folding of the brochure needed enough space to allow for , 
as you say, space lost when folding. These will most likely be folded by 
hand.


Feel free to modify the margins if this will make it easier to fold. We 
have to be careful as not to leave so little margin space that the 
folding will get harder to do. Again, these are community brochures.




Since you use panels you could delete the bottom bar images and color
the panel bottom border, which would make the problem of hiding images
go away.


I think I tried that, do you mean making the page itself green and the 
frame would then sit on the top? Maybe you could make a sample brochure 
of all these changes and show us?


If you would like to do this, could you show us a sample before 
uploading it to the wiki brochure space? The design on the wiki page has 
already gone through a lot of discussion. Still, feel free to show us a 
modified brochure.


Thanks for the comments and the help.

Marc



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[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included

2013-04-29 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Tim,

Le 29/04/13 08:47 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :

On 04/29/2013 03:38 AM, Issa Alkurtass wrote:

Hello Marc,

Great job with the brochure. Just one thing..

Marc Paré wrote on April 29, 2013 5:52 AM:

logo on panel 3 is now flat as suggested by Issa.

It would be nice if you can make the logo's text flat as in
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial-Artwork-Logo_ColorLogoBasic_500px.png


Regards,
Issa Alkurtass


The logo cannot have The Document Foundation text without branding
approval from the BoD.  The Community version was created so there
would not need to be any board involvement in approval of the marketing
material a local user might make.


I think Issa is just suggesting the flatness and not the use of words.

I just assumed that he was concerned with the page icon and not the 
words.But now that I look at that panel, the rest of the text is also 
flat and we should follow through with that particular design.


I'll re-work that logo and post the updated file today. Then, if we are 
all agreed, we will take our discussions back to marketing and get to 
work on the various brochure-type contents.


Cheers,

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included

2013-04-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 29/04/13 09:13 AM, Marc Paré a écrit :

Hi Tim,

Le 29/04/13 08:47 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :

On 04/29/2013 03:38 AM, Issa Alkurtass wrote:

Hello Marc,

Great job with the brochure. Just one thing..

Marc Paré wrote on April 29, 2013 5:52 AM:

logo on panel 3 is now flat as suggested by Issa.

It would be nice if you can make the logo's text flat as in
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial-Artwork-Logo_ColorLogoBasic_500px.png



Regards,
Issa Alkurtass


The logo cannot have The Document Foundation text without branding
approval from the BoD.  The Community version was created so there
would not need to be any board involvement in approval of the marketing
material a local user might make.


I think Issa is just suggesting the flatness and not the use of words.

I just assumed that he was concerned with the page icon and not the
words.But now that I look at that panel, the rest of the text is also
flat and we should follow through with that particular design.

I'll re-work that logo and post the updated file today. Then, if we are
all agreed, we will take our discussions back to marketing and get to
work on the various brochure-type contents.

Cheers,

Marc



I have updated the file. Could we just have one more look and then we 
will take our conversation back to the marketing list for content.


Many thanks again for your help and suggestions Issa, really appreciate 
it. We will have more need for marketing VI design help with other 
items, it would be nice if you could help us with this. We'll need help 
with other paper products but also fun swag stuff. It would be great if 
you could help us out with this a little later ... we just need to get 
the brochures going for all of our marketing teams.


Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included

2013-04-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 29/04/13 08:54 AM, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :



Cool, thanks a lot Marc!

Best,



Once this is done, we can finally get going on the content. Tim and I 
have already worked on the module content brochure and I will upload a 
proofed version and leave a note on the marketing list as soon as I have 
done this.


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included

2013-04-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 29/04/13 09:52 AM, Marc Paré a écrit :

Le 29/04/13 09:13 AM, Marc Paré a écrit :



I have updated the file. Could we just have one more look and then we
will take our conversation back to the marketing list for content.

Many thanks again for your help and suggestions Issa, really appreciate
it. We will have more need for marketing VI design help with other
items, it would be nice if you could help us with this. We'll need help
with other paper products but also fun swag stuff. It would be great if
you could help us out with this a little later ... we just need to get
the brochures going for all of our marketing teams.

Cheers,

Marc



Oops! The files can be found here:

[1] 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4.odt


[2] 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-USLtr.odt 




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[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included

2013-04-28 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Charles and Issa, et al,


Sorry for getting back to this item so late. I have done as suggested 
and reworked the logo white on green into an .svg, logo on panel 3 is 
now flat as suggested by Issa. And ...


* finally reworked the brochure columns and changed these to frames 
which make it easier to add text without messing up the design.

* I have also worked the design into both A4 and USLtr.
* I have simplified the file names so that these are easier identifiable.

The files can be found here:

[1] 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4.odt


[2] 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-USLtr.odt


We will work on content on the marketing list.

A great many thanks to Issa for you help! Really appreciate the help and 
many thanks as well for your patience!


Unless there are any real problems with these community pamphlet 
designs, I will put these in the marketing/design resource wiki page as 
soon as I have some time.


Note, this design is the preferred design by Tim, he has tested these 
and it looks like they save more ink and still have a good look.


Cheers,

Marc


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Official v.4.0.x pamphlet template (Not the Community version)

2013-04-26 Thread Marc Paré

Le 09/04/13 12:30 PM, Marc Paré a écrit :

Hi Tim

Le 09/04/13 11:42 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :

On 04/09/2013 11:04 AM, Marc Paré wrote:



When you make the solid version, could you also make a Letter paper
version for the North American marketers?  I is much more expensive for
us to buy the A4 paper for printing.  A4 is 3 times the price of the
Letter size paper according to my searching of available office and
printing supply companies I know of.



Yes, the A4 version is just being worked on for practical reasons, but
the final product will be a LibreOffice v.4.0.x pamphlet template for:

A4
- official version
- community version

USLetter
- official version
- community version

Once we have the official version done, I can take care of completing
the USLetter version.

Cheers,

Marc




Sorry for getting back to this item so late. I have

* finally reworked the brochure columns and changed these to frames 
which make it easier to add text without messing up the design.

* I have also worked the design into both A4 and USLtr.
* I have simplified the file names so that these are easier identifiable.

The files can be found here:

[1] 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-OfficialBrochureTemplate-A4.odt


[2] 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-OfficialBrochureTemplate-USLtr.odt


We will work on content on the marketing list.

A great many thanks to Issa for you help! Really appreciate the help and 
many thanks as well for your patience!


I will put these in the marketing/design resource wiki page as soon as I 
have some time.


Cheers,

Marc


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included

2013-04-17 Thread Marc Paré

Le 16/04/13 03:31 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :

Hello Marc,

Marc Paré wrote on April 16, 2013 3:54 AM:

What do you mean by flat colored logo?


The one referred to as Color Logo Basic 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial-Artwork-Logo_ColorLogoBasic_500px.png

Regards,
Issa Alkurtass


Thanks for catching that.

Yes, I wonder how that particular logo ended up on the brochure as we 
have been using that particular one for a few versions now.


I imagine that the logo should come from our resources wiki page here: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Logos


As you can see, the only community logo options in the  Logo resources 
for community members and external use are a color logo contemporary 
style. There is no version of the flat/basic with no TDF subline.


Should we make up a set of flat/basic logos for the resources page? The 
community teams could make use of either the contemporary or basic style 
just like the official logo versions?


But, going back to the proposed community template, are you suggesting 
that the logo would look better with the page icon filled in white as 
in the flat logo?


Cheers,

Marc


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[libreoffice-design] Re: translations to Czech

2013-04-17 Thread Marc Paré

Le 16/04/13 02:21 PM, Paul a écrit :

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Guess that would be cool :)

BTW did someone on the Design list post about the survey? If so I did
probably just miss out on it, have been quite busy.

All the Best
Paul


Survey?

Marc


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included

2013-04-15 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Issa,

Le 15/04/13 04:21 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :

Hello Marc, Tim,

Marc Paré wrote on April 11, 2013 8:37 AM:

I can well imagine that Issa will
also recommend that the header for panel3 should be removed as was done
for the official version.

Issa, is that what you would recommend?


Yes indeed.
One other minor thing would be to use the flat colored logo. Not important, but 
I think it would make it look more consistent.


What do you mean by flat colored logo?



Sorry for not replying regarding the black panel, but I have no answer as I 
barely use office suites.



No problem, it is a minor thing and we can try to fix it. The design is 
what is important.


Great we will call that official design template for 4.0.x complete! 
I'll take care of moving it to our resources page[1].



Regards,
Issa Alkurtass


Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included

2013-04-10 Thread Marc Paré

Le 07/04/13 10:36 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :


Today, I am going to the office supply store and buy some paper that
costs about 3 time that of normal inkjet paper.  The text in the
online description states it helps with any bleed-through for double
sided printing.  So I will give it a try.  Also, I will be getting a
green pastel paper.  I want to try the different brochure designs
printed on a green paper to see how it looks that way.

The little bleed-through paper is a bright white, so it may not work
well for some people.  The pastel green is a softer color that stand
out on a table of a rack of brochures, like the local library uses.

Once we get the text of the brochure templates done, then I will be
printing out about 100+ brochures.

Here is the link [again?] of the green community themed brochure
template [no content].
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Brochure-lo-4-letter-size--v8-green-logo--no-tdf--template-only.odt




Hi Tim,

Thanks for the textless version. I can well imagine that Issa will 
also recommend that the header for panel3 should be removed as was done 
for the official version.


Issa, is that what you would recommend?

Unless I am wrong, it looks like with the experimenting, that Tim would 
prefer to preserve our initial pamphlet design.


If we could also come to an agreement on a community version soon, it 
would be great.


Cheers,

Marc


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Official v.4.0.x pamphlet template (Not the Community version)

2013-04-09 Thread Marc Paré

Le 08/04/13 04:15 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit : Hello Marc,

 Marc Paré wrote on April 07, 2013 11:11 PM:
 Could you reformat the file as all Open Sans Condensed? That should
 fix the problem.

 ALSO

 We should put on panel 2 a link to download the Open Sans condensed
 file. It will make it easier for members to download and install the
 file. Here are the links:

 Done and done. Hope it works now.

 Regards,
 Issa Alkurtass

Thanks!

Strange that it still comes up with panel2 black background[1][2]. I 
wonder if there is a way that we could force the background black onto 
panel3.


Maybe we should think more of modifying the template so that there are 
cells on each panel. This would allow us to make panel3 background black.


We need to make the template a solid version so that any nl team who 
wishes to use it does not need to look for a fix to it right from the 
start. They need to start with a working template.


Would anyone have any other suggestion? Otherwise we could just add a 
comment to the template explaining that if the black is on the wrong 
panel, the user should:


* make sure that the Open Sans Condensed font is installed
* add/remove blank lines until the black background text is forced back 
to its position on panel3.


BTW ... we could also move the panel2 text (the links and text) to a 
comment note as well. FYI, by default, comments are NOT printed when the 
pamphlet is sent to print, there is an option window that where the user 
can change this setting in the popup print-window.


Aside from this, the template looks good!

So, are there any suggestions as to how to force the black-background 
text to stay on panel3?


(I am sending a copy to Jean as she may have a suggestion for this 
particular problem.)


Cheers,

Marc

[1] 
http://www.parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/Brochure-lo-4---A4-paper-size--v5--websitelike.png
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[libreoffice-design] Re: Official v.4.0.x pamphlet template (Not the Community version)

2013-04-09 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Tim

Le 09/04/13 11:42 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :

On 04/09/2013 11:04 AM, Marc Paré wrote:



When you make the solid version, could you also make a Letter paper
version for the North American marketers?  I is much more expensive for
us to buy the A4 paper for printing.  A4 is 3 times the price of the
Letter size paper according to my searching of available office and
printing supply companies I know of.



Yes, the A4 version is just being worked on for practical reasons, but 
the final product will be a LibreOffice v.4.0.x pamphlet template for:


A4
- official version
- community version

USLetter
- official version
- community version

Once we have the official version done, I can take care of completing 
the USLetter version.


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Official v.4.0.x pamphlet template (Not the Community version)

2013-04-08 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Issa,

Le 07/04/13 02:36 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :

Hello Marc,

Marc Paré wrote on April 07, 2013 12:39 AM:

Are we looking at the same file as the one you had posted earlier? I
also see it the same way as Daniel.


As Steve said that would be because you don't have the fonts installed (Open 
Sans Condensed).
Since we've discussed fonts before I assumed you've already had them installed.

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Yes I do have it installed. Strange.

It looks like the problem is that the whole pamphlet needs to be 
reformatted to Open Sans Condensed, I have most of the panels showing 
Times Roman as the main font, except for the 3rd panel. I am not sure 
if the mix of fonts will affect the different Libreoffice distros 
differently, but it looks like your version of the file renders as you 
wish, but my version does not. When I reformatted the whole document 
with Open Sans Condensed it then pushed the black background back into 
place (I had to do a little deletion of empty lines on panel 2 till the 
whole of panel 3 was in alignment.


Could you reformat the file as all Open Sans Condensed? That should 
fix the problem.


ALSO

We should put on panel 2 a link to download the Open Sans condensed 
file. It will make it easier for members to download and install the 
file. Here are the links:



-- font family: 
http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/download/open-sans-condensed
-- font-face kit: 
http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fontfacekit/open-sans-condensed


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[libreoffice-design] Official v.4.0.x pamphlet template (Not the Community version)

2013-04-06 Thread Marc Paré


Hi Issa,

Note: I have changed the subject line as we are now just correcting the 
now new v.4.0.x pamphlet template. (there were no objections). The 
marketing team is hoping to get to work on the text as soon as possible.


Le 05/04/13 04:27 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :
 Marc Paré wrote on April 03, 2013 7:01 PM:
 You updated the pamphlet file on this page:
 
 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Brochure-lo-4---A4-paper-size--v4--websitelike.odt

 
 and it looks like it is messed up. Could you take a look at it?
 Seems like I uploaded the wrong version. Will fix it tomorrow.

 Regards,
 Issa Alkurtass

I noticed that you have updated the template, however, the black 
background is on the wrong panel, it should be panel #3 where the grey 
LibreOffice logo shows. The new version on the wiki, has the black 
background on panel #2 with the half-circle header. Could you please 
correct this?


As we are all in agreement, this version is the new v.4.0.x pamphlet 
template (there were no objections on the list), once you have corrected 
the background, I will post it on our marketing/design resources wiki 
page so that international and nl marketing teams may start working on 
official pamphlets. I will take care of moving the design to the 
USLetter size.


Tim will be reporting back on his tests of the community pamphlets, the 
ink-saving, ink bleed-through, and shadowing are what we are looking at, 
as well, of course, the appeal of the design.


In the meantime, as we are both North Americans and doing most of the 
testing of the design templates, we are looking hard for sources of A4 
paper stock so that we can properly test the pamphlets -- North America 
and other parts of S.Amer. use USLetter. IMO, we should be doing real 
tests real A4 paper.


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Official v.4.0.x pamphlet template (Not the Community version)

2013-04-06 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Issa

Le 06/04/13 11:02 AM, Marc Paré a écrit :

Le 05/04/13 04:27 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :
  Marc Paré wrote on April 03, 2013 7:01 PM:
  You updated the pamphlet file on this page:
  
 
 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Brochure-lo-4---A4-paper-size--v4--websitelike.odt
  
  and it looks like it is messed up. Could you take a look at it?
  Seems like I uploaded the wrong version. Will fix it tomorrow.
 
  Regards,
  Issa Alkurtass



Are we looking at the same file as the one you had posted earlier? I 
also see it the same way as Daniel.


Maybe we are now talking about a different file on a different page?

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[libreoffice-design] Re: need branding approval[?] for the flier/brochure

2013-04-03 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Tim and Issa,

Le 03/04/13 07:09 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :


Here is my feelings about the logo for the brochure[s].  First, the full
logo cannot be used if the brochure does not pass the branding
requirements.  So if there is someone who wants to make a brochure and
does not want to submit it for branding they cannot use the full
logo.  At that point, we should have a brochure template that could be
used that takes off the TDF text from the logo.  So they can make
their brochure and use it.  Then they can change the logo to the branded
one and submit it for branding.  So the user can have a brochure that
looks good and only need to have the branded version of the logo
substituted for the non-branded one.

The original brochure I/we use for the NA-DVD project went through the
branding process, as far as I was told by the guy who originally created
it, and who no longer on the project.  If it did not go through that
process, we could not use the full logo.

I would think that it would be a good idea to give our users/marketers
the option to download a generic brochure that has been made and
branded, or give them the option to download a non-branded version to
play with and edit it for their regional needs.

So I feel we need to have two brochures, or four if you add the A4 and
Letter paper size issue into the mix.

Tim L. - LO NA-DVD project



Just so that we are all on the same page on this. Our branding rules are 
this:


* use of the official logo (the LibreOffice logo with subline The 
Document Foundation is ONLY for official and approved use. It MAY NOT 
BE USED for any other purposes. TDF will ask for its removal if it has 
not been approved for its use. This logo is used for our official 
notices/official articles/use by members who have gotten permission from 
the TDF Bod. In all cases, permission must be gained by the TDF for its use.


* use of the community logo (the LibreOffice logo WITHOUT any sublines) 
is for community/personal/outside use and does not need any permission 
for its use. For example, a native language community may use if for a 
newsletter, a magazine may use if to report on a LibreOffice article, 
you may put this logo on your webpage etc.


The marketing team is in charge of keeping track of any abuse of the 
official logo and to report of any abuse, which, we have done and are 
still doing. We generally report this to the BoD, who will normally 
report and ask the entity or person to remove the logo and to use the 
community logo instead. This is done to assure our brand and trademark 
worldwide.


You can read the notes on this on our branding wiki page, as well as 
examples of our accepted official and community logos.[1]


Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] Re: how it this brochure printed?

2013-04-03 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Tim et al,

Thanks for the 1st looks.

IMO, we should just work on getting an agreed design for a community 
pamphlet template.


We need the design team (in this case Issa has graciously offered his 
help to us) to help us get an approved designed template. After this, 
the marketing team does not need to bother the busy design team. We are 
already using approved designed icons included in our text, which does 
not need to be re-approved a second time by the design team, and, unless 
we have any new design elements, there would not be any reason to bother 
the design team.


So, IMO, we should just be working towards:

* an official pamphlet template design and get it approved (this has 
been done as there were no objections -- Arabic font forthcoming). It 
can be found here: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/archive/5/54/20130402094207%21Brochure-lo-4---A4-paper-size--v4--websitelike.odt


* a community pamphlet template design and get it approved. (still in 
discussion). As per Tim's request, this template should watch out for 
ink bleedthrough and shadow from the printing process and should also 
try to minimize the use of ink; this will allow members who wish to 
print on their home printers to do so at minimal cost.


Cheers,

Marc



Le 02/04/13 04:56 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :


Here is a letter size brochure - work in progress - with text and
graphics included so you can see what it could look like.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Brochure-lo-4---letter-paper-size--half-circle--inksaver---text-filled-in.odt



On 04/02/2013 04:46 PM, Marc Paré wrote:

Le 02/04/13 05:52 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :

Hello Tim,

Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote on April 01, 2013 11:58 PM:

I need a brochure that I can print out 20 or 30 copies whenever I run
out or need more.  This one does not work for my home office.

Sorry, I am not a fan if you cannot print it out so it looks good
without an expensive paste ink press system.


Tim: Thank you for your very good valuable points. Your arguments do
give us reason to have an official template version (for offset
printing) and perhaps a community version that is both optimized for
the home printing and costs.

Issa suggested this latest iteration for us and I think that it looks
great for our official version.




I absolutely didn't take this into account, as I said before I was
just trying to match the website design. The dark title page was me
making sure the title page didn't stand out less than the inside pages.



If we can all agree to it, that template could be used as the official
TDF/LibreOffice v.4.0.x template. It will not be our community version
for the reasons that Tim has explained.


I've made another version which only uses black and regular green
(rather than olive) which can also works in black and white:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Brochure-lo-4---A4-paper-size--v4--websitelike--inksaver.odt


I know it isn't the same as the website anymore, but it keeps the
half circle design while using a lot less ink. Also only the title
page colors are changed, the rest is the same.


The gray background leaves white edges.


I think these should be cut/not printed for the brochure to work,
because the half circle isn't meant to have white space above it.

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I have printed out a copy and I have to say, that it does not seem to
be too attractive in B/W.

Here are a couple of other examples that I have also made[1][2]. Have
a look and see. I have used our official logo svg and changed the
colours to match the website olive green as well as matched the
black background.

I now have read that Tim is concerned with bleed-through or shadowing
for the black half-circle headers and logo. It would have to be tested
to make sure that these work.

These two examples mimic the website theme we have for LibreOffice
v.4.0.4


Cheers,

Marc


[1]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeVersion4BrochureA4WebsitelikeCommunityNoSublineAllHalfCircle.odt

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[libreoffice-design] Re: how it this brochure printed?

2013-04-03 Thread Marc Paré

Le 02/04/13 04:46 PM, Marc Paré a écrit :

Le 02/04/13 05:52 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :

Hello Tim,

Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote on April 01, 2013 11:58 PM:

I need a brochure that I can print out 20 or 30 copies whenever I run
out or need more.  This one does not work for my home office.

Sorry, I am not a fan if you cannot print it out so it looks good
without an expensive paste ink press system.


Tim: Thank you for your very good valuable points. Your arguments do
give us reason to have an official template version (for offset
printing) and perhaps a community version that is both optimized for the
home printing and costs.

Issa suggested this latest iteration for us and I think that it looks
great for our official version.




I absolutely didn't take this into account, as I said before I was
just trying to match the website design. The dark title page was me
making sure the title page didn't stand out less than the inside pages.



If we can all agree to it, that template could be used as the official
TDF/LibreOffice v.4.0.x template. It will not be our community version
for the reasons that Tim has explained.


I've made another version which only uses black and regular green
(rather than olive) which can also works in black and white:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Brochure-lo-4---A4-paper-size--v4--websitelike--inksaver.odt


I know it isn't the same as the website anymore, but it keeps the half
circle design while using a lot less ink. Also only the title page
colors are changed, the rest is the same.


The gray background leaves white edges.


I think these should be cut/not printed for the brochure to work,
because the half circle isn't meant to have white space above it.

Regards,
Issa Alkurtass
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I have printed out a copy and I have to say, that it does not seem to be
too attractive in B/W.

Here are a couple of other examples that I have also made[1][2]. Have a
look and see. I have used our official logo svg and changed the colours
to match the website olive green as well as matched the black background.

I now have read that Tim is concerned with bleed-through or shadowing
for the black half-circle headers and logo. It would have to be tested
to make sure that these work.

These two examples mimic the website theme we have for LibreOffice v.4.0.4


Cheers,

Marc


[1]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeVersion4BrochureA4WebsitelikeCommunityNoSublineAllHalfCircle.odt

[2]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeVersion4BrochureA4WebsitelikeCommunityNoSublineAllHalfCirclePanel1LOLogo.odt




Arghhh! I think I uploaded the wrong file on number [2]. I have 
corrected this. Try it again.


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[libreoffice-design] Re: need branding approval[?] for the flier/brochure

2013-04-03 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Issa,

Le 03/04/13 04:31 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :



This might sound biased but I suggest KacstOne, it's imperfect but good. It's 
also packaged with Ubuntu.
I've already used it here https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Weuse.svg


As you are our design lead on the pamphlet template design, I think we 
should take your word for it that that particular font works well for 
Arabic. Do you have a link as to where we could download the font? We 
will include it in the notes on the pamphlet template.




Marc Paré wrote on April 02, 2013 11:46 PM:

Here are a couple of other examples that I have also made[1][2]. Have a
look and see. I have used our official logo svg and changed the colours
to match the website olive green as well as matched the black background.


I don't think the olive green looks comfortable on the white background, that's 
why I changed it in the first place.


The first community pamphlet example that I suggested[1] has the 
community logo with olive green but on the half-circle. Maybe this 
would work?


BTW ... I uploaded the wrong file on my second example. I have corrected 
it and you may see it here[2].


It looks like Tim may prefer the print from your example with all 
green[3]. Perhaps we should adopt this one then? I wonder if Tim has had 
time to try out the suggestions that I posted?




Also why should this use the community logo? Or are you suggesting another 
template for community brochures?
In any case the logo is slightly different according to this 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Logo_resources_for_community_members_and_external_use
 (The text should be bottom aligned with the symbol).



Yes, we have two logos, we have an official logo with the subline The 
Document Foundation and the community logo without any subline. The 
community logo is different as the word LibreOffice is lined up with 
the bottom of the page icon on the logo.



Regards,
Issa Alkurtass


Cheers,

Marc

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https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeVersion4BrochureA4WebsitelikeCommunityNoSublineAllHalfCircle.odt
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https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeVersion4BrochureA4WebsitelikeCommunityNoSublineAllHalfCirclePanel1LOLogo.odt
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[libreoffice-design] Re: need branding approval[?] for the flier/brochure

2013-04-02 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Issa,

Le 02/04/13 05:57 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :

Hello Marc,

Marc Paré wrote on March 30, 2013 1:51 PM:

I also wonder if the font is good to use for all native language groups.
Any ideas on this? Would our Arabic/Asian ... nl members be able to use
the font?


It doesn't support Arabic, but I don't think other Latin alternatives would 
support or look good even if they did.
Arabic will always need its own font.

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I would like to thank you for all of the help you are giving us with 
this. The help is really appreciated.


As we are doing this template for all of the native language groups and 
for their own use, could you suggest a font for our Arabic marketing 
team? We can make a note of the recommended font on the template. I 
wonder if the font also supports Japanese as the JP team has become 
quite active as well in the past few weeks.


Cheers,

Marc


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[libreoffice-design] Re: how it this brochure printed?

2013-04-02 Thread Marc Paré

Le 02/04/13 05:52 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :

Hello Tim,

Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote on April 01, 2013 11:58 PM:

I need a brochure that I can print out 20 or 30 copies whenever I run
out or need more.  This one does not work for my home office.

Sorry, I am not a fan if you cannot print it out so it looks good
without an expensive paste ink press system.


Tim: Thank you for your very good valuable points. Your arguments do 
give us reason to have an official template version (for offset 
printing) and perhaps a community version that is both optimized for the 
home printing and costs.


Issa suggested this latest iteration for us and I think that it looks 
great for our official version.





I absolutely didn't take this into account, as I said before I was just trying 
to match the website design. The dark title page was me making sure the title 
page didn't stand out less than the inside pages.



If we can all agree to it, that template could be used as the official 
TDF/LibreOffice v.4.0.x template. It will not be our community version 
for the reasons that Tim has explained.



I've made another version which only uses black and regular green (rather than 
olive) which can also works in black and white:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Brochure-lo-4---A4-paper-size--v4--websitelike--inksaver.odt

I know it isn't the same as the website anymore, but it keeps the half circle 
design while using a lot less ink. Also only the title page colors are changed, 
the rest is the same.


The gray background leaves white edges.


I think these should be cut/not printed for the brochure to work, because the 
half circle isn't meant to have white space above it.

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I have printed out a copy and I have to say, that it does not seem to be 
too attractive in B/W.


Here are a couple of other examples that I have also made[1][2]. Have a 
look and see. I have used our official logo svg and changed the colours 
to match the website olive green as well as matched the black background.


I now have read that Tim is concerned with bleed-through or shadowing 
for the black half-circle headers and logo. It would have to be tested 
to make sure that these work.


These two examples mimic the website theme we have for LibreOffice v.4.0.4


Cheers,

Marc


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https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeVersion4BrochureA4WebsitelikeCommunityNoSublineAllHalfCircle.odt
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https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeVersion4BrochureA4WebsitelikeCommunityNoSublineAllHalfCirclePanel1LOLogo.odt


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[libreoffice-design] Re: need branding approval[?] for the flier/brochure

2013-03-30 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Issa,

Le 30/03/13 03:21 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :

Hello Marc,

Marc Paré wrote on March 28, 2013 2:41 AM:

So, to give the impression of cooperation of all these groups (website,
docs, new-webdesigners, marketing/design), I would propose we adopt the
same half-circle for our header on all panels with perhaps as the
exception the 1st panel. We then need to discuss the font for the
pamphlet, as well as the background colour for the panels (I say this as
you seem to have included a grey-ish colour to the background).
Therefore these are the elements that we would work/suggest:

* designed header -- half-circle
* 1st panel design
* font
* panel background color


I added the background color to match that of the website's Discover page (as 
with the font and colors).
I would add font color(s).


How does this sound. This would give us an agreed-to template for the
marketing team to work with. The marketing team could then fill the
panels with the information they wish to add.


Sounds good.


The choice we would then have to make is that of font ... I am not sure
but who has suggested this but is the website font Open Sans Condensed?


Yes. Open Sans Condensed for the front page and Open Sans Condensed Light for 
the Discover page.
I think it's good unless readability is an issue.


How does this look as a template design for our marketing needs?


I thought the front page stood out less than the other pages, so I tried using 
a dark background. Also I think we need to use the full logo on the front page 
so I did that as well.
The changes are in the newest version 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Brochure-lo-4---A4-paper-size--v4--websitelike.odt

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Looks good! :-)

We would have to also supply a link to download Open Sans so that we can 
all follow the template; Tim used the link found on the PhotoShop 
RoadMap site to download the font[1] -- it's really a link to 
FontSquirrel website


-- font family: 
http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/download/open-sans-condensed
-- font-face kit: 
http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fontfacekit/open-sans-condensed


I also wonder if the font is good to use for all native language groups. 
Any ideas on this? Would our Arabic/Asian ... nl members be able to use 
the font?


Any other comments from the Design Team members? We should all be OK 
with this. We will use this template for LibreOffice v.4.0.x until the 
website changes and then rework the template when needed. If you are 
wondering why we are doing this, read the full thread.


Cheers,

Marc



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[libreoffice-design] Re: We recommend LibreOffice banner

2013-03-26 Thread Marc Paré

Le 26/03/13 06:17 AM, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

Stefan, everyone,

thank you so much!

Charles.

Le lundi 25 mars 2013 à 23:42 +0100, Stefan Knorr a écrit :

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Weuse.svg





In fact this has been requested before. You can find the wiki page that 
was readied here[1] with the sizes that are needed. It would be nice if 
all the sizes were covered.


Alex and others had also designed a few but they are not in svg. They 
would have to be reworked into .svg for the nl teams.[2][3]


You will also find the QR codes on this page and for all different sizes.[1]

It would be nice if we could have different types as well as all the 
sizes covered for each design that we agree to. Then we could add these 
to our resources wiki page for others to use.[4]


Cheers,

Marc

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https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/External_web_banners


[2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See#Banners_:_Spread_the_word

[3] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding/Banner_Proposals

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[libreoffice-design] Re: need branding approval[?] for the flier/brochure

2013-03-26 Thread Marc Paré

Le 14/03/13 12:41 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :


It was suggested that I ask the Design Team for a look at the current
working brochure for a possible branding issue and maybe approval for
use of the full LO logo.

I was informed that it was summited to the BoD for possible wording
changes, etc., but it has been worked on enough for need to get the
branding issues taken care of.  Some spacing/table format modification
will be worked on, along with and text modification that may be needed.
But, the essentials are there.

The logo image I used was a modified version of what is now seen on
the opening page.  I had to piece it together from the parts.

The Letter and A4 paper size versions are here.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Flyers

1]
LibreOffice 4.0 brochure using the half-circle logo design, Tri-fold,
letter size paper, uses inch and cm measurments for the max. page
size in Draw. User:Krackedpress, ODT format - Version 8 - left justified

2]
LibreOffice 4.0 brochure using the half-circle logo design, Tri-fold, A4
size paper, uses inch and cm measurments for the max. page size in
Draw. User:Krackedpress, ODT format - Version 4 - left justified




While its great that there is now a discussion about re-updating the 
website, it does not address Tim's request to look at the pamphlet.


We have gone beyond the point of deciding whether the half-circle of OK 
or not. The docs team has adopted it into their published LibreOffice4 
user guides designs[1]. IMO, we should try to follow suit with 
comparable pamphlets which will also help promote our printed guides.


I actually like the half-circle design, it is distinct and easily 
identifies our newest version of LibreOffice4. Prior to this we were 
using our distinct motif.


I would like to see some kind of branding element that ties all of these 
together rather than having all disjointed materials that make us look 
like we are not cooperating at all between groups.


So, as sad as I think that consultation could have been better all 
round, IMO, the half-circle design should stay for LibreOffice v.4.0 and 
we could all start working towards a more concerted effort of branding 
the next LibreOffice v.5.0 banner.


Could we take another look at the pamphlet with the idea of keeping the 
half-circle design and comment on it? Once we have tweaked the design, 
the marketing team can get going on creating other pamphlets with more 
specific content for different uses (i.e. community growth, conference 
pamphlets, educational pamphlets etc.). We are in dire need of more 
marketing materials and the marketing team is eager to get going on this.


BTW ... the German team is also using the half-circle design for their 
version of their Base handbook[2].



Cheers,

Marc

[1] 
http://www.lulu.com/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-40-getting-started-guide/paperback/product-20725693.html


[2] 
http://www.lulu.com/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/base-handbuch/paperback/product-20840097.html


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[libreoffice-design] Re: need branding approval[?] for the flier/brochure

2013-03-26 Thread Marc Paré

Le 26/03/13 02:45 PM, Stefan Knorr a écrit :

Hi Marc,

On 26 March 2013 18:49, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:

While its great that there is now a discussion about re-updating the
website, it does not address Tim's request to look at the pamphlet.


Hm, I did try to give feedback and concrete improvement suggestions
... especially on all the (imho needless) redundancies in the
brochure. But these don't seem to have been removed.
Also, if you've started using the half-circle, just continue, but
please, update either the colours of the logo or the colours of the
text to match the other.

And don't put two logos atop each other (as I said, there is a theme
of redundancy, there is), especially not if they are totally
differently coloured.




We'll look into these and post a newer version soon.


So, as sad as I think that consultation could have been better all round,
IMO, the half-circle design should stay for LibreOffice v.4.0 and we could
all start working towards a more concerted effort of branding the next
LibreOffice v.5.0 banner.


5.0? Should TDF continue to churn out dot-x releases at the current
rate, and should we get to somewhere like .8, that would be 4 years!
While that surely is enough time to update all branding, it might be a
bit too long before we decide one way or another.


Astron.



Sorry, 5.0 was just a number I picked at random.

The pamphlets at this point are only to promote LibreOffice v.4.0. As 
far as doing a re-make of the design, then we should all, 
marketing-design-website-docs, cooperate so that the overall look and 
feel is more fluid. Unfortunately, the docs are being published on Lulu, 
the website is published, so we (marketing and design) are the trailing 
end of all of this process. Matching up the look and feel of what is 
being used at present is the only common sense thing to do.


Looking at the release plan[1], IMO, we could perhaps re-tool for maybe 
4.2 at the earliest, but I doubt we will have all of the website theme 
design sorted out by then. I would suggest to perhaps hold off till 4.3 
at the earliest (it is not on the release plan yet).


Tim or I will post an updated pamphlet here to check as soon as we have 
updated it.


Cheers,

Marc


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Bug report / feature suggestion

2013-03-05 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Wim,

Le 03/03/13 07:59 AM, Wim Schwerdtner a écrit :

Dear Design Team of LibreOffice!

I am not sure, whether this is the right contact to post my suggestion,
but probably you can forward it, if needed.

LibreOffice/OpenOffice I use now for about ten year in academia
environment and I really appreciate the achievements you have reached so
far.
But there is one missing feature I really get upset about for these many
years: the missing ability to print comments next to the text (and not
at the end of the document). It is such a critical and central feature
you need urgently in every collaborative situation. Here is the fitting
bug report page I found:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36815 . I really wonder,
that the developers of LO concentrate on many minor issues like bullet
points in the note section, but neglect the central ones that are
neccessary to use LO at all. (Now I always have to open my Writer
documents in Word to be able to print the comments. So, everyone else
would stick to Word in such a situation.)

Please help!!!

With best regards,
Wim Schwerdtner



Thanks for reminding us of this feature request that has been with us 
for a while. I was also keeping an eye out for this feature request, but 
lost track of it.


I will see if I can raise the profile of the this particular feature 
request with the devs. Some of my colleagues in the educational field 
have also voiced the same wish for LibreOffice.


Could you check in with us in a month or two to see if it has been 
picked up by a dev? Feel free to ping (write) me if you wish. I am 
trying to keep my eye out on issues dealing specifically with academia.


Many thanks again for your comments. We really appreciate them.

Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Remote Icon

2013-03-05 Thread Marc Paré

Le 05/03/13 02:05 AM, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos a écrit :

2013/2/28 Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sa:

No need to redo it, I think the xcf file will suffice :)


I uploaded a basic SVG to
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Impress_remote_source.svg, on
which only the lettering can be edited, as I still used my raster
background. I’ll upload a proper SVG (entirely made in Inkscape)
later.



Thanks for all of this!

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Re: [libreoffice-design] high quality icon images

2013-03-01 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Issa and Tim

Le 28/02/13 07:39 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :

Hello webmaster-Kracked_P_P,

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote on February 28, 2013 2:34 PM:

The problem, for me, is when I scale one of the icons up to the needed
size[s].  Then it gets jagged and weird.


Try this 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Icons_Huge.png

Does it look good?


I am also working on updating a brochure, from May 2011.  I was told
there was some new design elements for 4.0 coming down the pipe.  Was I
told correctly?  Should I wait for those elements? I was thinking
about using the half-circle design element from the new 4.0 portal
opening page, or something similar.


I'm not sure, someone else has to answer that.
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غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل 
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ما قد يح

تويه هذا البريد.





I was the one who suggested this. Is Maxim Darak's green proposal, the 
final version, up on the wiki page yet? This is the design chosen as our 
official splash screen.


We need it on the Gallery of Marketing and Design Resourcesp page[1] so 
that we can start updating our marketing materials. It should go into 
the LibreOffice Product Graphics category.


Cheers and thanks for all of the fabulous work!

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Remote Icon

2013-02-27 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-27 07:55, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :

Hello Mirek, Marc,

Mirek M. wrote on February 27, 2013 3:37 AM

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Marc Paré 
m...@marcpare.commailto:m...@marcpare.com wrote:

Once the icon is completed could you make sure that it is uploaded to the wiki 
page here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements

It should go into the icon section.

I am trying to monitor this item, but once you finalize it and upload to the 
wiki, could you please announce this on the marketing list too?


Issa, since you're working on the icon now, could you please do that?


Done, I was waiting to make sure it was what Thorsten committed.
Uploaded zip file and changed the page size on the SVG so that you could easily 
view it it in your browser or image viewer.

Shouldn't we add the store banner to the visual elements as well?


What is the store banner?

Marc


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[libreoffice-design] Re: New Branding

2013-02-26 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-26 12:23, Marc Paré a écrit :

Hi Thorsten,

Le 2013-02-26 11:36, Thorsten Behrens a écrit :

klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote:

As it is now in the new version: can we get the svg in the wiki in order
to make some marketing material or so?


Did that happen yet? If not, where would be the place to stick it
into?

Cheers,

-- Thorsten



Could you put it up on our Gallery of Marketing and Design Resources
wiki page? IMO, it should go into the Official Main Visuals section at
the top; that's where we put the previous splash screen.

Thanks for the help!

Cheers,

Marc



Arghh! Pushed the send to fast! ;-) The link is here:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] (ES) Libre Graphics Meeting 2013: Future Tools

2013-02-21 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-19 13:32, Marc Paré a écrit :

Le 2013-02-13 18:41, Mirek M. a écrit :

Hi everyone,
In a personal e-mail, Dave Crossland, who offered to help us with font
repository integration, asked whether we'd have any representation at
the Libre Graphics Meeting in Madrid. The deadline for submitting a
proposal for a talk is tomorrow.
I would very much be interested in giving a talk on what LibreOffice is
doing, but perhaps there are others interested as well (in which case
please speak up).

Is it alright if I propose a talk?



Is there a website? I would like to add it to the events calendar.

Cheers,

Marc



I have added the event on our events calendar.

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[libreoffice-design] (FR) Typocamp 2013

2013-02-21 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-19 12:29, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

Le mardi 19 février 2013 à 18:24 +0100, Thorsten Behrens a écrit :

Italo Vignoli wrote:

I think it is an excellent idea. Do not forget to ask for travel
funds on board discuss, in order to allow the BoD to approve the
amount.


What Italo says. If you want to go, please hurry up, research your
travel options, and tell the board (hint: we have board meeting
tomorrow). :)



Make sure you check typocamp.fr as well, it's in June.

Best,


I have added this event to the events calendar.

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[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice brochures

2013-02-21 Thread Marc Paré

Hi KJ, Daniel et al,

First off, thanks Daniel for all of the work on these pamphlets and 
having the marketing/design teams comment on them, it is really appreciated.


I had already seen the pamphlets and thought the content was great, but, 
have to admit that I had not thought of the other points that had been 
brought up, so it is good that the pamphlets are being shown here for 
more tweaking.


(comments inline)

Le 2013-02-21 06:04, Daniel A. Rodriguez a écrit :

2013/2/21 klaus-jürgen weghorn olo...@sophia-louise.de


Am 20.02.2013 17:26, schrieb Daniel A. Rodriguez:

Hi, could you please take a look at this file

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Triptico-LibreOffice-Carta.odt

What do you think about? Is in spanish, I know, but generally speaking I
mean. The layout, the amount of info, etc.


Should this be an official marketing brochure?


A community one


My suggestion to Daniel, that community pamphlets could be made of 
these, but we could also make them into official pamphlets for ES team 
members who would officially be representing the TDF/LibreOffice at ES 
conferences. It this were the case, then the use of the official ES 
pamphlets would only be used with approval from Italo/Charles as per 
our usual marketing agreements.





If so my opinions to that:
The brochure is breaking the branding rules [1] (but no-one seems to
care of branding rules lately): You should not put the logo above
LibreOffice.


KJ, sorry you feel that way, but I think the regular contributing 
members are usually the ones who keep an eye out for this. This one 
slipped by me and good thing that Daniel posted the pamphlets on these 
lists. Let's keep it up, there are more of us trying to keep the 
branding in line with published docs, we are just not as many ... we 
need more members on the teams.




My bad, I'll fix that


I don't know if it is a good idea to use a voted out cover design.
The design of 4.0 web page (and of 4.0 documentation) leads to another
direction: black half circle with logo on it. But there was no design
(or marketing) decision about that, as I remember.




Now that I look at it, sure, we should be using the accepted cover for 
brand exposure. But I am not sure that this also applies for community 
docs. If the cover that Daniel decides to use has an appropriate license 
and it is for community use, I am not sure if the same rules apply. 
Maybe Italo/Charles could chime in on this.


But, yes, it would be nice if the official cover could be used. Is the 
new cover ready for use on marketing materials? This answer would have 
to come from Mirek I guess, or do you (KJ) know if it is ready for use? 
Is it going to be tweaked any more than what it is now?



As is not an official brochure just thought could be a way to make
something different.


[1]


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Guidelines_and_Best_Practices


As some of us are getting older:
An 8pt font isn't really good to read for old men who don't want to
wear glasses ;-). You should use 11pt. And so you won't get so much text
but good information.
If you need the whole text you should not make a trifolder with letter
size but a short handout or bigger size.


So, as you are not the first saying this will assume a rework is needed


As far as I know, the font size has not been really officially discussed 
and directed for official use ... that is to mean that, as far as I can 
remember, there has never been any suggestion to the marketing members 
to try to keep to a certain font size for official pamphlets.


Realistically speaking though, we have been making use of appropriate 
font size for the amount of information needed on the pamphlet/flyers. I 
have checked all of the ones found on our wiki (I am in the process of 
cataloguing all of our new/past pamphlets on the wiki)[1], and the font 
sizes range from 9-12pt.


But, yes, using 11pt is a good compromise. In educational texts, in the 
region where I live, we usually look for 12pt and will allow as small as 
10pt for the older grades of students -- I was on a few acquisition 
committees and font size was normally on our checklist.






What about licensing, is that ok?


I'm not familiar with licensing but why don't you use the 3.0 [2]?

[2] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/


will take a look, :-)


Thus far, all of our marketing docs have been Creative Commons license.

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Libre Graphics Meeting?

2013-02-19 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-13 18:41, Mirek M. a écrit :

Hi everyone,
In a personal e-mail, Dave Crossland, who offered to help us with font
repository integration, asked whether we'd have any representation at
the Libre Graphics Meeting in Madrid. The deadline for submitting a
proposal for a talk is tomorrow.
I would very much be interested in giving a talk on what LibreOffice is
doing, but perhaps there are others interested as well (in which case
please speak up).

Is it alright if I propose a talk?



Is there a website? I would like to add it to the events calendar.

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[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice 4.0 airport ad source

2013-02-08 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Issa,

Le 2013-02-08 09:51, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :
 Hello world,

 Here's the .xcf file for the airport ad on the default page, should 
be useful if anyone wanted to translate it (needs Vegur font) 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lo4-airport-ad.zip


 I know it's a bit late but I wasn't using the FOSS format at first 
and then I had trouble uploading it to the wiki.

 ___
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BTW ... vegur font can be found on our Design Branding Guidelines wiki 
page[1]. There are download links there.


Also, unless I am mistaken, it may not support all languages ... maybe 
someone from design could chime in on this?


Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] FOSDEM Photos?

2013-02-08 Thread Marc Paré
If you took any and can share, we could use some for marketing as well 
as dressing up our website and donations site. We could also blog about 
it. Let a note on the marketing list or send me the photos ... I'll 
upload them to the wiki site.


People like seeing photos, it give them (us) that fuzzy warm feeling and 
makes us (them) want to hug people! *sigh*


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[libreoffice-design] Apologies to the Gmane users

2013-02-08 Thread Marc Paré
My apologies to the Gmane users if you get multiple posts of FOSDEM 
photos (or anyone else) ... it was unintended. Not sure why Gmane did this.


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Icon help for LibreOffice v.4.0 features website page

2013-02-07 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-07 04:21, Stefan Knorr a écrit :

Hi Marc,

On 7 February 2013 05:51, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com  wrote:

Just wondering if there is any interest from anyone on this?


I could do something tomorrow, if that's still ok, but probably not today.

Astron.



Thanks! Much appreciated!

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[libreoffice-design] Re: LO 4 banner idea

2013-02-07 Thread Marc Paré

Hi issa,

Could you please post this message on the website list? I think Florian 
will  be interested to know about this. The wiki site was re-built today 
and maybe something is still not working correctly.


Cheers,

Marc

Le 2013-02-07 18:41, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :

Still not working, it gives me this error:

Upload warning: Could not create directory 
mwstore://local-backend/local-public/9/99.

Marc Paré wrote on February 08, 2013 2:04 AM:

Hi Issa,

Try the upload again, The wiki server was being worked on. It will still
be handy to have for those who need it!

Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] Re: LO 4 banner idea

2013-02-06 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Mirek and Issa,

Le 2013-02-06 19:36, Mirek M. a écrit :

Hi Issa,

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Issa Alkurtassialkurt...@kacst.edu.sawrote:


Hello Daniel, k-j,

Updated the time and removed Get it now because I thought it made it
cluttered https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lo4-airport-ad.png
Also uploaded an editable version for localization and whatsoever
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Lo4-airport-ad.zip (although the
led text is hand drawn so we should probably keep it in English).



It looks great!
Unfortunately, as it's in the PSD format, it's not accessible for our
translators.
I don't know if you could manage to convert it to GIMP's XCF format with
editable text, but please remember to do so next time. You can either make
the whole file in GIMP or create the bitmap parts in Photoshop and add text
layers in GIMP. Or, if you create the image in Inkscape, that's even
better! :)

Thanks for the contribution.



Also reported by a nl team member:



I liked vey much the idea. I wanted to add to my translated
announcement. However, a PSD file is a PhotoShop (TM) bitmap image and
not a vector one. I can't easily translate it.

Sigh ...



IMO, if you convert the image into Inkscape, it would be better, and, 
some nl teams will use it on their sites, even after their sites go live.


FOSS is normally the default software for our project unless we are 
really forced to use any other.


Really nice update to Daniel's initial post! Like it a lot!!!

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Icon help for LibreOffice v.4.0 features website page

2013-02-06 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-02 11:00, Stefan Knorr (Astron) a écrit :

Hi K-J, Marc, all,

On 2 February 2013 13:24, klaus-jürgen weghorn olo...@sophia-louise.de  wrote:

Page not found


Strange, my browser has no problem finding it..?

In any case, the current icons there are normal LibreOffice icons for
Writer, Calc, Impress [...] in the format 40px*48px.

The additional icons needed would be for:
* Core Changes
* Options/General
* Filters
* GUI
* Localisation
* Infrastructure
* Linux
* Extensions
* Feature Removal/Deprecation
* API Changes

Tbh, that's a pretty long list.


Few ideas how we could get it down:
* Extensions contains only one bullet point that would fit just as
well with Core Changes, imo
* Same goes for the category Linux (although you might want to
prepend Add Gstreamer 1.0 support [...] with on Linux, )
* Feature Removal/Deprecation and Performance seem similar but
contain so many items that it seems sensible to keep them separate.
* Assuming that changes of options in individual LibO modules were put
under those modules's headlines, Options/General one can also go into
Core Changes

Next, we already have a few more of the required items in the initial icons SVG:
* API changes could use the Macro icon
* Core changes could use the plain grey LibreOffice icon (or maybe be
overlaid with an atom nucleus?)
* We could probably modify the Chart icon into something
Performance-related, i.e. make it look like a
performance-before-and-after diagram
* We could use the globe from the Writer/Web icon for Infrastructure

Finally, some ideas for the rest:
* Localisation: document icon with speech bubbles on it (we _used to_
have soemthing like this on pootle.df.o, if I am not mistaken)
* GUI: Document icon with OK button on it (??)
* Feature Removal/Deprecation: Document icon with a big minus on it (??)

Are there better ideas?

Astron.



Just wondering if there is any interest from anyone on this?

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[libreoffice-design] Re: LibreOffice Awards Icon

2013-02-06 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Alex,

Le 2013-02-02 07:09, Marc Paré a écrit :

Le 2013-02-02 06:43, Alexander Wilms a écrit :

Something around 64px maybe. So that a regular LibO desktop icon would
fit into it, plus the award

Cheers,

Alex



Sounds good. Thanks!

Marc



I was just wondering if you were still working on this? The icon could 
still be posted even after the page goes live,


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[libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Awards Icon

2013-02-02 Thread Marc Paré
I was tasked to put up a website page that references the different 
awards that the TDF/LibreOffice project has received.


Would anyone on the design team be interested in creating an award icon 
that I could use on the page as a graphic? An icon that when people see 
it, they would know that it is all about awards related to the 
TDF/LibreOffice? The icon should be about both TDF and LibreOffice as 
the references will be all about the two and not just LibreOffice.


I just need the graphic to dress up the webpage a bit.

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[libreoffice-design] Re: LibreOffice Awards Icon

2013-02-02 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Alex,

Thanks!

Le 2013-02-02 05:54, Alexander Wilms a écrit :

I'll try to come up with one. Which resolution is needed?

Cheers

Alex




I hadn't really thought of it. Would you have any suggestions? The page 
will be an introductory page followed by links to the different award 
pages on external sites.


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Icon help for LibreOffice v.4.0 features website page

2013-02-02 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Jean-François,

Le 2013-01-31 13:34, Marc Paré a écrit :

Bonjour et merci Jean-François,

Le 2013-01-31 12:59, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :
  Le 31/01/2013 00:13, Marc Paré a écrit :
  I am almost finished with the Features page due to be unveiled to the
  website public on the LibreOffice v.4.0 unveiling day in Feb[1].
 
 
  WRT the Logo toolbar, I just realized right now that the logo word
  refers to the Logo language. Till now I had understood logotype.
 
  I think some others could have the same flooding imagination, thus
  specifying Logo language instead of Logo might be clearer.

Ah! yes, makes sense. In fact if you follow the link on the section it
takes you to a series of articles that discuss LibreLogo.

===

Maybe change the initial sentence for that section:

[OLD] Logo toolbar and interpreter (László Németh, help in integration:
András Tímár).

[NEW] LibreLogo vector graphics language: Logo toolbar and
interpreter (László Németh, help in integration: András Tímár).

===

ALSO change:

[OLD] Logo examples on templates.libreoffice.org:

[NEW] LibreLogo examples on
http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/librelogo:;

This way people will would be redirected to the proper LibreLogo
extension rather than wondering if why it is on the template site.

===

How does that sound?

Marc



Forgot to mention that the changes are done on the page.

Thanks for the help J-F.

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Icon help for LibreOffice v.4.0 features website page

2013-02-02 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-01-30 18:13, Marc Paré a écrit :

I am finished with the Features page due to be unveiled to the
website public on the LibreOffice v.4.0 unveiling day in Feb[1].

If you take a look at it, I am making use of the LibreOffice set of
icons for the large section breaks. Is there anyone who could look at
the page, and, using the same format as the small icons there, create some
for the missing sections? ... These are only for website use but would
still be useful in marketing materials too. These would not be the
official set unless we all voted to adopt these (below).

BTW ... we did this for the last page, I can't seem to remember who
did this ... maybe KJ?

The missing icons are for the following sections:

* Core Changes
* Options / General
* Filters
* GUI
* Localization
* Performance
* Infrastructure
* Linux
* Extensions
* Feature Removal / Deprecation
* API Changes

They should all use our page icon as the backdrop but have some kind of
identifying symbol for that particular section ... for example ... for
Linux - page + small penguin icon

Size: 40X48
Format: png

There is very little time left before the page goes live, but, even if I
get some icons after the page goes live, I will still incorporate these
into the page.

Thanks for any help.

Marc

[1] https://www.libreoffice.org/download/4-0-new-features-and-fixes






Just a reminder that if anyone is keeping a short design to-do list, 
that, you could put this on it.


The Features webpage will look a little better with the suggested 
graphics. If you are uncertain of what type, just have a look at the 
page[1] and you will see that the icons follow a certain pattern.


We will also make use of these for the next version release.

BTW ... some of the nl (native language) teams/websites would also 
incorporate these icons into their pages as well.


Thanks for any help on this.

Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] Re: LibreOffice Awards Icon

2013-02-02 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-02 06:43, Alexander Wilms a écrit :

Something around 64px maybe. So that a regular LibO desktop icon would
fit into it, plus the award

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Icon help for LibreOffice v.4.0 features website page

2013-01-31 Thread Marc Paré

Bonjour et merci Jean-François,

Le 2013-01-31 12:59, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :
 Le 31/01/2013 00:13, Marc Paré a écrit :
 I am almost finished with the Features page due to be unveiled to the
 website public on the LibreOffice v.4.0 unveiling day in Feb[1].


 WRT the Logo toolbar, I just realized right now that the logo word
 refers to the Logo language. Till now I had understood logotype.

 I think some others could have the same flooding imagination, thus
 specifying Logo language instead of Logo might be clearer.

Ah! yes, makes sense. In fact if you follow the link on the section it 
takes you to a series of articles that discuss LibreLogo.


===

Maybe change the initial sentence for that section:

[OLD] Logo toolbar and interpreter (László Németh, help in integration: 
András Tímár).


[NEW] LibreLogo vector graphics language: Logo toolbar and 
interpreter (László Németh, help in integration: András Tímár).


===

ALSO change:

[OLD] Logo examples on templates.libreoffice.org:

[NEW] LibreLogo examples on 
http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/librelogo:;


This way people will would be redirected to the proper LibreLogo 
extension rather than wondering if why it is on the template site.


===

How does that sound?

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[libreoffice-design] Icon help for LibreOffice v.4.0 features website page

2013-01-30 Thread Marc Paré
I am almost finished with the Features page due to be unveiled to the 
website public on the LibreOffice v.4.0 unveiling day in Feb[1].


If you take a look at it, I am making use of the LibreOffice set of 
icons for the large sections breaks. Is there anyone who could look at 
the page and using the same format as the small icons there, create some 
for the missing sections ... these are only for website use but would 
still be useful in marketing materials too. These would not be the 
official set unless we all voted to adopt these (below).


BTW ... we did this for the last page, I can't seem to remembered who 
did this ... maybe KJ?


The missing icons are for the following sections:

* Core Changes
* Options / General
* Filters
* GUI
* Localization
* Performance
* Infrastructure
* Linux
* Extensions
* Feature Removal / Deprecation
* API Changes

The would all use our page icon as the backdrop but have some kind of 
identifying symbol for that particular section ... for example ... for 
Linux - page + small penguin icon


Size: 40X48
Format: png

There is very little time left before the page goes live, but, even if I 
get some icons after the page goes live, I will still incorporate these 
into the text.


Thanks for any help.

Marc

[1] https://www.libreoffice.org/download/4-0-new-features-and-fixes




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[libreoffice-design] Re: New DONATE Button -- help from design group in India

2013-01-23 Thread Marc Paré
For anyone following this thread, there was a mix-up on my part and this 
thread is all about a new DONATE button for the download page. Somehow, 
the terms got mixed up into the correspondence.


I have sent my apologies to the Indian group as well as Mirek for the 
mix-up. My apologies to the design list as well for the confusion.


There will be a follow-up on this later.

Cheers,

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Fwd: Re: A new old branding?

2013-01-20 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-01-20 02:53, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :

Hi Astron,

Le 20/01/2013 02:02, Stefan Knorr a écrit :


sorry for the OT stuff here... this is just re: personas.
[...]

[1] Not really sure if that's the intended audience – but to me it seems
so, as power users would probably rather alter behaviour by installing
extensions than doing fancy things with their toolbar background. I
realise, I could be totally wrong here, though.



I also think that power users won't give a damn about that persona
thingy and that the others won't even know it exists and if they do,
won't use it either.

Since the idea has been introduced, I stood silent because, well, this
is a thing of these days and I first fell rather ol'timer.

Still, my questions are these: do we *need* that functionality? What
does it brings WRT software use? Wouldn't the devs be better employed
fixing bugs rather than developing one more (useless?) functionality
which would in turn bring more bugs? *Who* would use the personas apart
from marketers?

BTW, I don't know anyone around me using Firefox and personas.

I don't want to rain on the party but my POV is that TDF shouldn't go
that route at this moment because the usage/cost ratio seems very low to
me.


Strange, where I teach, and where personas are available, my 240 kids in 
French classes ALL tailor their versions of FF and Chrome to what they 
want, they also exchange between each other information about the looks 
and feel of their software including their desktop looks and wallpapers.


I agree with you that with professional people personas may take a back 
seat to functionality, but to the other larger group who use our 
software and the younger set, functionality includes the look and feel 
of their software as if defines them ... no matter how shallow a 
function you may think it is.


A Lada may get us from point A to B ... but most people would prefer to 
get a hot looking car than a square box with 4 wheels to cart them around.


Software functionality does include the look and feel otherwise we would 
not be adding any color to our brand and just go for black and white and 
save on toner cartridge cost ... and hey ... let's all just get B/W 
monitors.


I don't know, but I also don't want to rain on your party either, by my 
POV is that the TDF should go this route as it adds to the popularity as 
well as gives us a larger usage base for our community product.


This is a good functionality to add to the product.

Cheers,

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[libreoffice-design] Re: New Download Button -- help from design group in India

2013-01-19 Thread Marc Paré

This is a ping for Mirek on this item.

Le 2013-01-18 09:56, Marc Paré a écrit :

First off: We have been offered help by an Indian group with design and
advertising help with the project[1]. They are receiving funding from
the Indian government, and, as long as what they provide may be used in
the Indian FOSS area and Indian population, they are allowed to help.

Secondly: We have just had our strategic marketing meeting (yesterday)
and I was tasked with taking care of contacting the Indian group to see
if they could help with creating a new Download button for our site.
We have received a positive answer from the group and they have assigned
a designer to do this, but, they would like a second contact for their
designer in case of question relating to the design.

Mirek: Could I pass on your name and email to the group so that the
designer contact you directly? I would imagine that she/he would have
questions relation to the design rules that may affect the button.

They are also aware of the time constraints and are willing to try to
meet deadlines. You may want to let them know of any deadline dates. I
suggested anytime by the end of January to February 2nd would be good
for us, but you may have a different idea on this.

We will be using the button on our website. I imagine at some point they
would like to have us take a look at some first design examples with a
fast vote turn-around from the design/marketing team so that they can
complete the final product.

Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] New Download Button -- help from design group in India

2013-01-18 Thread Marc Paré
First off: We have been offered help by an Indian group with design and 
advertising help with the project[1]. They are receiving funding from 
the Indian government, and, as long as what they provide may be used in 
the Indian FOSS area and Indian population, they are allowed to help.


Secondly: We have just had our strategic marketing meeting (yesterday) 
and I was tasked with taking care of contacting the Indian group to see 
if they could help with creating a new Download button for our site. 
We have received a positive answer from the group and they have assigned 
a designer to do this, but, they would like a second contact for their 
designer in case of question relating to the design.


Mirek: Could I pass on your name and email to the group so that the 
designer contact you directly? I would imagine that she/he would have 
questions relation to the design rules that may affect the button.


They are also aware of the time constraints and are willing to try to 
meet deadlines. You may want to let them know of any deadline dates. I 
suggested anytime by the end of January to February 2nd would be good 
for us, but you may have a different idea on this.


We will be using the button on our website. I imagine at some point they 
would like to have us take a look at some first design examples with a 
fast vote turn-around from the design/marketing team so that they can 
complete the final product.


Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Fwd: Re: A new old branding?

2013-01-16 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Mirek et al

Le 2013-01-16 14:26, Mirek M. a écrit :

If the voting process gets a little too complicated with groups, perhaps 
you could set it up as it is now being done with the voting for next 
year's conference (it is done with voting tokens. We did this for the 
first conference and it worked well. I am not sure who is in charge of 
that vote, but you can send a quick email to 
electi...@documentfoundation.org to whoever is in charge.


The conference vote is being done with the membership. Perhaps an idea 
is for the design team regulars to pick one or two or ... designs that 
they approve and the membership finish off. That way the design team has 
pre-qualified the designs and the membership would not have to be 
briefed on all of the background-technical requirements that led to the 
choices.


Looking forward to the design finals.

Cheers,

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[libreoffice-design] Updating our Gallery of Marketing and Design Resources wiki page

2013-01-16 Thread Marc Paré

Just an FYI

The next couple of weeks or so, I will be adding marketing sample 
resources that we have been collecting on our wiki pages but not 
catalogued to our Gallery of Marketing and Design Resources wiki page[1].


This will make it easier for the marketing team to find materials such 
as samples of 3-fold brochures, 3x5 postcards, reference cards etc. in 
order to help prepare conference booths. It will also be easier for us 
to pick through the samples and update the text to our latest version of 
LibreOffice. There is no point in re-inventing materials that have 
already been designed/formatted and where the text is the only thing 
that needs to change.


The only problem that I foresee is making sure that past designs respect 
the rules attached to our logo and colors, which, I will try to watch 
our for. If any design does not respect our logo/colour rules (but has 
already been used in marketing materials), I will make a note of it when 
I link it and either try to correct the problem or ask for help from the 
design team.


Unless there are any objections to this, I will just go ahead and fill 
these in.


Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Funding Wishlist

2013-01-12 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2012-10-13 16:45, marc.p...@libreoffice.org a écrit :

Hi everyone,

In trying to better assess the TDF/LibreOffice funding requirements, we
are compiling a wishlist of funding request particular to your team's
needs. While there is no guarantee that this will get you funding for
any particular item, it will help to better assess and prioritize the
project's needs.

I have volunteered to take care of setting up, as well as, document
(facilitate) the proposal from Florian (below)[1]

snip
==

What we effectively need now is a (senseful) wishlist from the various
teams. Think of it as a Christmas wishlist: You write a dozen things on
it, eventually you get two or three, which is fantastic!

Besides the infrastructure and cost for ongoing operations, I can also
imagine some developer machines are required, more travel funding, a
marketing campaign, funds to produce collaterals and swags for giving
them away, and many more.

My proposal is to create a wiki page, asking the various groups to write
down their wishes, and eventually distill a wishlist out of that.

Does that sound senseful? Are there any volunteers for mailing the
various lists and compiling an initial wiki page?  (Florian Effenberger)

==

I think the key words in Florian's proposal are senseful-whishlist. If
there are multiple items, you may want to prioritize them in the right
order.

I have set up a wiki page to collect your team's list[2]. Feel free to
add these to the wiki page after discussing it with your team, or, I can
also help out with collecting your suggestions by re-visiting this
thread and then add them to the wiki page.

Cheers,

Marc

[1]
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentation.libreoffice.marketing/6143

[2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Funding_Priorities




I am updating the Funding Priorities page[1] and have no items to add 
for this group. Feel free to discuss and add items to that page should 
you have any.


Cheers,

Marc

[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Funding_Priorities

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Funding Wishlist

2012-11-19 Thread Marc Paré

Hi everyone,

Just to clarify. We are really looking for your team's wishlist and it 
must be of budgetary consideration. This is not a wishlist for new 
UX-designs, new logos etc. The wishlist should really be discussed with 
your other team members so that we can get a better view of the needs of 
the different LibreOffice teams.


For example: website team is looking at infrastructure (big and small); 
the marketing team is discussing the possibility of Booth kits to be 
deployed/shipped to areas/regions where conference materials are in 
desperate need.


Leave me a message on this thread is you have any questions. Please do 
not send me your personal wishlists; I will go around and collect the 
wishlists from your list/thread later or as I see your discussions and 
decisions are made.


Cheers,

Marc

Le 2012-11-18 09:32, Marc Paré a écrit :

Hi everyone,

Just a reminder to your teams about this.

We are seriously looking at different teams' wishlists. Please do take 
a little time out of your busy schedule and speak to your teams about 
any funding for items that you think may be of importance to your team 
or the enhance the functioning of your team's work on the project. So 
far there are only the website and marketing teams who are working on 
some items. Feel free to ask if you have any questions regarding this. 
At this point, anything goes, as long as the requests are reasonable. 
We need these items for planning more effective funding drives as well 
as for budgeting. It would really help if your suggestions come along 
with approximate costs where possible.


Cheers,

Marc

Le 2012-10-13 16:45, marc.p...@libreoffice.org a écrit :

Hi everyone,

In trying to better assess the TDF/LibreOffice funding requirements, 
we are compiling a wishlist of funding request particular to your 
team's needs. While there is no guarantee that this will get you 
funding for any particular item, it will help to better assess and 
prioritize the project's needs.


I have volunteered to take care of setting up, as well as, document 
(facilitate) the proposal from Florian (below)[1]


snip
==

What we effectively need now is a (senseful) wishlist from the 
various teams. Think of it as a Christmas wishlist: You write a dozen 
things on it, eventually you get two or three, which is fantastic!


Besides the infrastructure and cost for ongoing operations, I can 
also imagine some developer machines are required, more travel 
funding, a marketing campaign, funds to produce collaterals and swags 
for giving them away, and many more.


My proposal is to create a wiki page, asking the various groups to 
write down their wishes, and eventually distill a wishlist out of 
that.


Does that sound senseful? Are there any volunteers for mailing the 
various lists and compiling an initial wiki page?  (Florian 
Effenberger)


==

I think the key words in Florian's proposal are senseful-whishlist. 
If there are multiple items, you may want to prioritize them in the 
right order.


I have set up a wiki page to collect your team's list[2]. Feel free 
to add these to the wiki page after discussing it with your team, or, 
I can also help out with collecting your suggestions by re-visiting 
this thread and then add them to the wiki page.


Cheers,

Marc

[1] 
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentation.libreoffice.marketing/6143

[2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Funding_Priorities







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[libreoffice-design] Re: Funding Wishlist

2012-11-18 Thread Marc Paré

Hi everyone,

Just a reminder to your teams about this.

We are seriously looking at different teams' wishlists. Please do take a 
little time out of your busy schedule and speak to your teams about any 
funding for items that you think may be of importance to your team or 
the enhance the functioning of your team's work on the project. So far 
there are only the website and marketing teams who are working on some 
items. Feel free to ask if you have any questions regarding this. At 
this point, anything goes, as long as the requests are reasonable. We 
need these items for planning more effective funding drives as well as 
for budgeting. It would really help if your suggestions come along with 
approximate costs where possible.


Cheers,

Marc

Le 2012-10-13 16:45, marc.p...@libreoffice.org a écrit :

Hi everyone,

In trying to better assess the TDF/LibreOffice funding requirements, 
we are compiling a wishlist of funding request particular to your 
team's needs. While there is no guarantee that this will get you 
funding for any particular item, it will help to better assess and 
prioritize the project's needs.


I have volunteered to take care of setting up, as well as, document 
(facilitate) the proposal from Florian (below)[1]


snip
==

What we effectively need now is a (senseful) wishlist from the 
various teams. Think of it as a Christmas wishlist: You write a dozen 
things on it, eventually you get two or three, which is fantastic!


Besides the infrastructure and cost for ongoing operations, I can also 
imagine some developer machines are required, more travel funding, a 
marketing campaign, funds to produce collaterals and swags for giving 
them away, and many more.


My proposal is to create a wiki page, asking the various groups to 
write down their wishes, and eventually distill a wishlist out of that.


Does that sound senseful? Are there any volunteers for mailing the 
various lists and compiling an initial wiki page?  (Florian Effenberger)


==

I think the key words in Florian's proposal are senseful-whishlist. 
If there are multiple items, you may want to prioritize them in the 
right order.


I have set up a wiki page to collect your team's list[2]. Feel free to 
add these to the wiki page after discussing it with your team, or, I 
can also help out with collecting your suggestions by re-visiting this 
thread and then add them to the wiki page.


Cheers,

Marc

[1] 
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentation.libreoffice.marketing/6143

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[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison Chart

2012-11-14 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2012-11-13 12:21, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :

Hi Marc,

Le 13/11/2012 11:17, Marc Paré a écrit :


We had discussed this quite a while ago on the Marketing Team and Ron
Faile JR had developed a series of reference cards that could be adapted
for this. In fact we did adapt some of these for different booth
purposes. When the end product is folded it is formed into a triangular
prism that can sit on a desk in front of the keyboard. Have a look here:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Reference_Cards

The reference cards may need checking as they were designed for
LibreOffice 3.3 and they still need to be adapted for A4 paper stock. I
still have one on my desk and the people I sent it to (educators who
tried it with students) said that it was well received by both groups.
It is really cool.



Unless I'm mistaken, the ref cards you're talking about are a different
beast.

My suggestion is to have a configurable set of Writer shortcuts so that
a Word power user finds his/her usual way of use without the need to
learn yet another shortcut set.

(BTW, ISTR that I had a proposal for a A4 3-fold refcard.)



Sorry, I thought you were looking for some kind of visual design thingy.

Re: your proposal, do you have a link to it?

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[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison Chart

2012-11-13 Thread Marc Paré

Bonjour JF et Cedric,

Le 2012-11-13 04:54, Cedric Bosdonnat a écrit :

Hi Jena-Francois,

On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 10:11 +0100, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:

On the same goal and idea, I had suggested a *lng* time ago on the
French OOo lists to create a set of keyboard shortcuts that would help
the MS-Word power users switching to Writer.

Beginners and standard users can switch quite easily. They haven't a
thorough knowledge of the tool and usually just use the menus to get to
the functionalities they need (argh!).

Power users have long understood that the keyboard is a tool of
productivity. Thus, they use keyboard shortcuts widely. As Word and
Writer have different sets of shortcuts (at least they had when I left
MS-Word alone, a long time ago), it could be an interesting work to port
the Word shortcuts into Writer. We could then offer an easy transition
that would fill a big gap for these people, helping them to switch tools
more quickly.

What do you think? Do I miss something?


IIRC we already have some configuration option for Excel-compatible
shortcuts in Calc. We could do the same with Word/Writer... but a list
of the shortcuts to implement will be needed as I am no Word
power-user ;)

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We had discussed this quite a while ago on the Marketing Team and Ron 
Faile JR had developed a series of reference cards that could be adapted 
for this. In fact we did adapt some of these for different booth 
purposes. When the end product is folded it is formed into a triangular 
prism that can sit on a desk in front of the keyboard. Have a look here: 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Reference_Cards


The reference cards may need checking as they were designed for 
LibreOffice 3.3 and they still need to be adapted for A4 paper stock. I 
still have one on my desk and the people I sent it to (educators who 
tried it with students) said that it was well received by both groups. 
It is really cool.


Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] Forums Proposal

2012-10-06 Thread Marc Paré
There is a forums proposal on the discuss list[1] and on it we have 
proposed a forum category for this list[2]. There are 2 major sections 
to the LibreOffice Forums, there is a User forums section and a 
Contributor forums section. The contributor section of the website 
is where serious contributor work gets done for the project -- a clear 
distinction from the user section which is there to help users in 
need. The contributor forums mirror those of the mailing lists and these 
are to give the option to those mailing lists who would prefer to use 
the forums instead of mailing lists or would like to test the members' 
response to a possible move to the forums. * Note that both sections 
will be open to public; we are hoping that this will help promote the 
contributor side of LibreOffice and to encourage those who are 
interested to move to contributor teams.


We are hoping to hear from a lead in this list (after discussion with 
your members) as to whether you would like to:


* move the list to a forum (there would be a short transitional period 
where the mailing list/forums would exist together and then the mailing 
list would be closed.  OR


* not use the forums at all (at which point the forum would be deleted 
from the forums site).  OR


* test-try using both the forum and this mailing list for a period of 
time after which you would decide on which one to keep. A test-period of 
perhaps 6-9 months may be enough to accomplish this.


Feel free to respond on this thread or to any of the co-coordinators 
should you have any questions.



The LibreOffice Forums co-coordinators: Jonathan Aquilina, Lucian Oprea, 
Joel Madero, Marc Paré, Jean Spiteri


[1] http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss/8319
[2] 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At9lOM8_6gsLdDBmOUJVOURpM0hmNTgySWxCV0VzVWc#gid=0




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[libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal

2012-09-27 Thread Marc Paré
FYI, there is a post on the discussion list regarding a LibreOffice 
forums categories proposal. As you may or may not know, we are readying 
a forums solution for LibreOffice users and contributors (for those 
lists who wish to have a forums of their own; or, for those lists who 
are unsure and would like to try out a forums for a while alongside 
their mailing list). In order to keep the noise down in the lists, I 
have posted the proposal on the discuss list without including the 
mailing lists in the address part of the email.


Keep in mind that this is a proposal, thus, changes will be made to the 
forums where there is consensus. We would like to keep the main 
discussion of this topic on the discussion list as well as make any 
decision regarding changes from feedback on the discussion list. Feel 
free to join in on the discussion or to contact any of the LibreOffice 
co-coordinators if you have any questions.


You can find the proposal as well as useful links here 
[http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/msg08990.html].


Cheers,

Marc Paré
Forums co-coordinator

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Font wishlist

2012-08-17 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Stefan,

Le 2012-08-16 19:02, Stefan Knorr a écrit :

  Unfortunately, the Comic Sans font is very popular in
  primary/secondary schools (Canada). It would be nice if there were a
  comparable/compatible font included with LibreOffice for students who
  use Comic. Maybe TSCu_Comic?

So, I don't have anything against a comic-y font. I just wanted to point
out that Comic Sans specifically is a rather amateurish affair.
As to TSCu_Comic: While it isn't as worn as Comic Sans, it doesn't look
like a high quality font either – additionally, the glyph set is
basically just Ascii.




My worry with all of this is of losing sight of what LibreOffice is 
trying to achieve ... some form of compatibility with MSO 2007 files. 
There should be fonts that are compatible with the stock fonts supplied 
by MSO so that users/corporate users who migrate from MSO to the 
LibreOffice suite are not served with documents that vary wildly from 
their previous MSO documents. You can get the official list of MSO fonts 
from the Microsoft site[1]. At the very least, these should be covered 
so that font compatibility during document migration is as near to 
perfect as possible.


If the number of fonts gets excessive, then we could perhaps offer some 
fonts with the download version of LibreOffice (compatible with the 
Home-Student edition version fonts) and direct users to the LibreOffice 
extensions site where a complete set of compatible set of MSO fonts 
could be found.


As for the Comic Sans font, it would be nice to find a compatible font 
for LibreOffice as I see it used in classroom settings.


Cheers,

Marc

[1] http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Font wishlist

2012-08-16 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Adolfo,

Le 2012-08-15 11:10, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos a écrit :

The Design team doesn't even use Vegur for LibreOffice logos (LibO
Conference set in some Helvetica clone, for example...)

Italo's right: the limited character set in Vegur makes it unsuitable
fo shipping, because it cannot be used for writing in languages other
than English. That's why I don't undestand why Vegur was even chosen
for branding. And anyway Vegur's a Myriad rip-off...


You can find the reason as well as branding guidelines for the Vegur 
font on our design wiki page[1].


I would also not favour adding the Vegur font. There is very little use 
for it due to its missing characters.


---

Stefan Knorr says: Please look for professional-looking fonts, we 
probably don't want to bundle something that looks as amateurishly done 
(kerned for instance) as Comic Sans.


Unfortunately, the Comic Sans font is very popular in primary/secondary 
schools (Canada). It would be nice if there were a comparable/compatible 
font included with LibreOffice for students who use Comic. Maybe TSCu_Comic?


Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] Re: New gallery art

2012-08-08 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Steve et al,

Le 2012-08-08 17:52, Steve Edmonds a écrit :




Hi.
one place this may have significance is the educational sector. School
kids are always using clip art from the gallery and lack of clip art
availability would be a decision point in our kids school.
So as not to restrict inroads into schools I think that addition of
clipart to the gallery should be easy and obvious and not require
administrator privileges (it won't happen if every click needs the IT
administrator). The bullets, backgrounds and rulers could then be part
of the one click clipart install.
Steve




+1

Not having a stock gallery will definitely make a difference in the 
educational sector. We usually use this to teach our younger students 
the steps to insert graphics into their work whether in Word (Writer) or 
PowerPoint (Impress).


I would hate to see this disappear as it does hold some value in our 
schools and is still a marketable asset for the educational sector -- an 
important sector that we, LibreOffice, want to break into.


Maybe make it into a stock extension where it would disappear from the 
downloaded version but available as an extension (maintained by 
LibreOffice)? Would this be possible?


BTW ... one of the best used extension that I previously used with OOo 
was the one that installed clipart from the OpenClipArt project[1]. When 
I took my laptop to work, the teachers would always comment positively 
at the cliparts in the gallery.


Cheers,

Marc
Elementary school teacher

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Looking for a new splash screen

2012-06-07 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2012-06-07 10:29, Kévin PEIGNOT a écrit :

Thanks, I didn't see I made a mistake with the link ! ^^


Kévin
2012/6/7 Mark Morinmdmp...@gmail.com


On 6/7/2012 7:24 AM, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote:

I don't really have time to design these days (nore I'm really good
at that), but I found this motif


http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/a/a6/ScatterInContext_stream.jpgon

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/a/a6/ScatterInContext_stream.jpg



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FYI, that was a motif scatter proposal, the one that was accepted is 
on the Gallery of Marketing and Design Resources wiki page[1] where 
the designs that have been voted and accepted are kept (both for design 
and marketing purposes).


Cheers,

Marc

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[libreoffice-design] Re: [Buttons] Creating/Improving LibreOffice web banners/buttons for external website use

2012-06-06 Thread Marc Paré
I was about to nudge the list to see if anything could to be done 
about creating buttons and notice that KJ has added some samples on 
the wiki page[1].


Here are my impressions:

* 88x15 and 88x31 -- nice designs.
The problem I see with these is that I don't think the TDF/LibreOffice 
page icon is yet well known enough. Could we see LibreOffice there 
instead of the page icon? Or, actually, could you leave these buttons 
there and have another set without the page icon but with LibreOffice 
(in LibreOffice green)?


110x32 -- could you re-size the 88x31 to this size?

The rest of the sizes are great! They are really banner size once they 
get to this size, but nice to have. I like the 728x90 that offers 
different colours for use on external website where colour is a concern, 
but, IMO, we should not stray too far from our iconic LibreOffice 
green+scatter+page icon elements; this is what really sets us apart from 
the look'n'feel of other office suite icons.



QR codes! Thanks! These will really come in useful for marketing 
purposes. Works great!


Once these are done, could they be put up to a vote and then then listed 
on the official design resources page[2]? Once they are listed on the 
official resources page, I'll see about getting the buttons setup for 
hosting on our servers and start advertising the fact that we now have 
buttons for external site use.


Thanks a lot for the help.

Marc

[1] 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/External_web_banners


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[libreoffice-design] Re: Logo for the LibreOffice Conference 2012 in Berlin

2012-05-30 Thread Marc Paré

Hi KJ,

Le 2012-05-29 02:01, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit :

Hi Marc,
Am 29.05.2012 03:49, schrieb Marc Paré:


I had some time today and created a wiki page for the upcoming
LibreOffice Berlin Conference October 17-19 2012 (I just copied the wiki
page structure that we had with the Paris Conference of last year)[1].


There are some existing and linked pages. See the starting page [5].
This page is e.g. linked from [6]. We should put the work together.

[5] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/Berlin2012_Conference
[6] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events#All

The logo you show isn't yet the official logo. We are in process of
finding a logo as you can see it in this thread.


This week I won't have time to work on this thread. So feel free to work
on it.



I moved the information to the events page where it should be. Thanks 
for letting me know of the page.


Cheers,

Marc


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