Re: [libreoffice-design] [info] design leads
Hi Christoph, Klaus-Jürgen, Michel, On 26 January 2012 21:00, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote: I think it is a job like a facility manager/consierge or - if this sounds a little bit better - a mentor. The lead should have a look on the different work that come up on one of the two parts of the design team (vi (visual identity) and ux (user experience)), sometimes coordinate it a bit, give some advices. I think that frames it very well. I guess I second that ... I would have almost sent an own mail that would have said almost the same things. Even down to the words go-to person and mentor. Although just anybody can pick up things and organize what is important - there is no real need to be called a leader. In fact, this project isn't that much about leadership, it is about meritocracy. Thus, if somebody has a proven track record of doing cool stuff (tm), then he automatically leads somehow. Then, why not just call what we used to call leads mentors, as other parts of the project do, too? I'd be happy to (at least kind of) fulfil such a role ... even if I am not quite trusting my mentoring skills and as for professional background in UX, I lack quite a bit, in contrary to Christoph. But I'll try to be friendly and such... Now, Christoph, just to say that, it makes me tremendously happy that you want to stay with LibreOffice even though you now have a family, as I am pretty sure there is no else on this list that has both the professional background that you have and is so enthusiastic about the product. By the way, you said, you were quite happy about how 3.5 turned out and it's correct there are some really nice things, many of which you helped build, like the headers/footers stuff and the named ranges dialogue. What's huge to me is that we're finally bundling a grammar checker (if only for English, Russian and Hungarian). Nevertheless, there's a lot to do for 3.6. Here's laundry list of things I'd really love to use in the next few versions (in no particular order): * simpler colour dialogues, * more modeless dialogues, * fewer, but prettier icons and better-organised icon themes, * simpler options, * the overflow menu, * stable GTK+3 port (and better system integration in general), * addition of modeless information bars, some automatic alignment of UI elements as well as logical grouping of elements in VCL * graphical UI editor (so it becomes easier for both us and also the devs to create new UI) * fleshed-out branding (there's quite an amount of things that didn't seem so important initially, like for instance extensions, generic templates, business cards or the printer admin that use somewhat suboptimal icons) * ... (I will be happy to try and help with any of those things.) So why did we have that leader voting before? Because we are still a young project with - especially in our team - topics where opinion of an individual looks as valid as fact based on research. Plus, it really helps to know what goes on in other teams, otherwise the guidance might lead into the wrong direction. Thanks for that clarification from your side. I agree, communication not just with developers, but also accessibility, documentation, marketing and users is really important... (my list is probably non-exhaustive) Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] [info] design leads
Hi Michel, *, Am 25.01.2012 15:38, schrieb Michel RENON: Hi Christoph, Le 23/01/12 22:07, Christoph Noack a écrit : [...] Now, I see two N.N. who need to be filled in the mid-term ... so what do you think? How to go on? Anybody there who might accept to guide the direction of this team? What actions/responsabilities are expected from the leader ? What is expected to apply ? I think it is a job like a facility manager/consierge or - if this sounds a little bit better - a mentor. The lead should have a look on the different work that come up on one of the two parts of the design team (vi (visual identity) and ux (user experience)), sometimes coordinate it a bit, give some advices. Would it be possible to have 2 people ? We have two parts so we need at least 2 people. Il would allow them to share the pressure, the decisions, the knowledge, and also one can take some rest without disturbing the project. Our design leads (Bernhard and Christoph) were not like chairmans. They don't make the decisions, they only start the votings and discussions if no one else do this. Of course they have had a look at our branding and other advices. They are one of the go-to persons if someone out of the design team has a question. Sometimes they turn the team's attention to a work, which we get out of sight, by asking one/two per PM or the whole team by ml. Currently, I hope to be much more helpful by working on the pile of issues assigned to me, helping on the ux-advise list ... and looking at some of the open discussions of the past weeks. For example, it would be nice to know how to continue with smaller and general (seriously developed) UI improvements people ask for regularly. This is IMHO the main part a ux design leader has to do. Some other part is what Astron made in the last time. Just my 2 Eurocent. -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] [info] design leads
Hi Klaus-Jürgen, hi Michel, all! First, thanks Klaus-Jürgen for your reply ... yesterday, we again had a full-day workshop and so I didn't feel like posting too weird thoughts to the list ;-) Am Donnerstag, den 26.01.2012, 17:35 +0100 schrieb klaus-jürgen weghorn ol: Am 25.01.2012 15:38, schrieb Michel RENON: Le 23/01/12 22:07, Christoph Noack a écrit : [...] Now, I see two N.N. who need to be filled in the mid-term ... so what do you think? How to go on? Anybody there who might accept to guide the direction of this team? What actions/responsabilities are expected from the leader ? What is expected to apply ? I think it is a job like a facility manager/consierge or - if this sounds a little bit better - a mentor. The lead should have a look on the different work that come up on one of the two parts of the design team (vi (visual identity) and ux (user experience)), sometimes coordinate it a bit, give some advices. I think that frames it very well. Although just anybody can pick up things and organize what is important - there is no real need to be called a leader. In fact, this project isn't that much about leadership, it is about meritocracy. Thus, if somebody has a proven track record of doing cool stuff (tm), then he automatically leads somehow. So why did we have that leader voting before? Because we are still a young project with - especially in our team - topics where opinion of an individual looks as valid as fact based on research. Plus, it really helps to know what goes on in other teams, otherwise the guidance might lead into the wrong direction. [...] Il would allow them to share the pressure, the decisions, the knowledge, and also one can take some rest without disturbing the project. Our design leads (Bernhard and Christoph) were not like chairmans. They don't make the decisions, they only start the votings and discussions if no one else do this. Of course they have had a look at our branding and other advices. They are one of the go-to persons if someone out of the design team has a question. Sometimes they turn the team's attention to a work, which we get out of sight, by asking one/two per PM or the whole team by ml. By the way, if anybody wants to get some feedback on any issue ... feel free to ask. There are some very knowledgeable people on this list. [...] Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
