[libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Wiki Page

2013-03-05 Thread Issa Alkurtass
Hello world,

I've updated the Flat icon set wiki page 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set
Added the guidelines plus snapshots of the icons.

I didn't know where to add it, but discussions of the icons themselves should 
go on the wiki page somewhere.
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Issa Alkurtass
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Wiki Page

2013-03-05 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
I'm not sure the icons should be discussed on the Wi
k
i,
because it means lot of text on the same page (lot of icons to discuss in
the same page), or lot of pages just for text (with one page for each
icon). I don't know what we could use instead, the only other way I see is
mailing list, but I don't know GIT enough, maybe there is a way to insert
comments, something like that ?

Then, I'm not sure about the Tentative Design part : why snapshots, then
latest snapshots ? I think just the last snapshot, in context, is enough.
The duplicate part don't seems me useful. Maybe just a snapshot of all
currents icons and one in context ?

Other question, where did you find the Gnome Symbolic icons for your
snapshots ?

Kévin


2013/3/5 Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sa

 Hello world,

 I've updated the Flat icon set wiki page
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set
 Added the guidelines plus snapshots of the icons.

 I didn't know where to add it, but discussions of the icons themselves
 should go on the wiki page somewhere.
 ___
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 Motah Program, KACST
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Wiki Page

2013-03-05 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P

On 03/05/2013 08:34 AM, Issa Alkurtass wrote:

Hello world,

I've updated the Flat icon set wiki page 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set
Added the guidelines plus snapshots of the icons.

I didn't know where to add it, but discussions of the icons themselves should 
go on the wiki page somewhere.
___
Regards,
Issa Alkurtass


I like the icon toolbar sample.

How will these icons look with the 4.0 Persona backgrounds?
Currently some of the icons use a transparent background,
assuming that the background will always be white-ish.
Some do not read well with the new backgrounds.

Currently on my DEB install, the grayed out versions of Save and Redo 
icons

are not visible, or barely visible to be almost useless, with my background
Persona Designs.  Those icons need the white-ish background to show up
instead of the transparent looking background.

So, any new icon needs to have a non-transparent background.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Wiki Page

2013-03-05 Thread Emir Yâsin SARI
Thanks to Issa for his work.

I wonder, if the icons could be a little bit darker, at this state they are 
barely readable.

Or they'll look already better when implemented? Or is it better to discuss 
this on the wiki?

Best regards,

Emir


5 Mar 2013 tarihinde 16:14 saatinde, webmaster-Kracked_P_P şunları yazdı:

 On 03/05/2013 08:34 AM, Issa Alkurtass wrote:
 Hello world,
 
 I've updated the Flat icon set wiki page 
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set
 Added the guidelines plus snapshots of the icons.
 
 I didn't know where to add it, but discussions of the icons themselves 
 should go on the wiki page somewhere.
 ___
 Regards,
 Issa Alkurtass
 
 I like the icon toolbar sample.
 
 How will these icons look with the 4.0 Persona backgrounds?
 Currently some of the icons use a transparent background,
 assuming that the background will always be white-ish.
 Some do not read well with the new backgrounds.
 
 Currently on my DEB install, the grayed out versions of Save and Redo icons
 are not visible, or barely visible to be almost useless, with my background
 Persona Designs.  Those icons need the white-ish background to show up
 instead of the transparent looking background.
 
 So, any new icon needs to have a non-transparent background.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Wiki Page

2013-03-05 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
2013/3/5 Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sa:
 True but I've never seen them used on our wiki so I didn't know they were 
 used until now.

We should use them. And indent every comment with : and sign them with
—. That’s a good practice to teach to everyone, IMHO :-)

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Wiki Page

2013-03-05 Thread Mirek M.
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sawrote:

 Hello world,

 I've updated the Flat icon set wiki page
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set
 Added the guidelines plus snapshots of the icons.


Thanks.
I moved them to the Tentative design section.


 I didn't know where to add it, but discussions of the icons themselves
 should go on the wiki page somewhere.


Discussions should be kept to the mailing list, which is linked to from the
wiki. (If there are any new mailing list threads concerning the icons, they
should go under the Discussion section as well.)

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RE: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Wiki Page

2013-03-05 Thread Issa Alkurtass
Hello Adolfo,

Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote on March 05, 2013 4:57 PM:
MediaWiki developers thought of that, and created the talk pages. :-)

True but I've never seen them used on our wiki so I didn't know they were used 
until now.
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Wiki Page

2013-03-05 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Issa Alkurtass ialkurt...@kacst.edu.sa wrote:
 I didn't know where to add it, but discussions of the icons themselves should 
 go on the wiki page somewhere.

MediaWiki developers thought of that, and created the talk pages. :-)

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RE: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Wiki Page

2013-03-05 Thread Issa Alkurtass
Hello Kévin, webmaster, Emir,

Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on March 05, 2013 5:56 PM:
Then, I'm not sure about the Tentative Design part : why snapshots, then 
latest snapshots ? I think just the
last snapshot, in context, is enough. The duplicate part don't seems me 
useful. Maybe just a snapshot of
all currents icons and one in context ?

They are like that. One is a sheet, which is how the current icons look. The 
other is a screenshot, which is how they would look in context/in the program.
I didn't really think about the captions/naming, perhaps you can change it to 
something more meaningful :)

Other question, where did you find the Gnome Symbolic icons for your snapshots 
?

All Gnome icons are available here 
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-icon-theme/
While I'm trying to reuse everything I can, a lot of them had to be edited or 
even drawn from scratch.

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote on March 05, 2013 5:14 PM:
Those icons need the white-ish background to show up
instead of the transparent looking background.

So, any new icon needs to have a non-transparent background.

I don't think that would be a good choice, if we do so the icons won't be 
platform independent nor theme independent.
Wouldn't two variants (dark and light) be a better solution to this problem?

Emir Yâsin SARI wrote on March 05, 2013 6:16 PM:
I wonder, if the icons could be a little bit darker, at this state they are 
barely readable.

Good point, I forgot to bring it up.
We need to choose a color for the icons, I suggest choosing either Tango 
palette or LibreOffice [branding] palette:
Tango's dark grays: 2e3436, 555753.
LibO's dark grays: 66, 33.

Please note that this decision would most likely affect future colored flat 
icons. On other hand the colors can be changed with one click at any time so we 
don't have to worry about it for now :)

Or they'll look already better when implemented? Or is it better to discuss 
this on the wiki?

You can see that for yourself in the wiki page.

Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on March 05, 2013 6:39 PM:
Do someone know if there is, somewhere, a list of all the icons we actually
use ? This would help us know what we still have to do, and maybe make a
wiki page with all icons and their current status (not started, started by,
analysis, ready).

If you have the LibreOffice source code you can find all the icons in 
icon-themes. I am replacing them (on my machine) one by one to know what's done 
and what's not.
A wiki page like that would be a huge effort and it wouldn't be so efficient.
We are currently using SparkleShare (Dropbox-like software) and we're looking 
for a solution that would automatically fetch the icons for discussion. Check 
this meeting where we discussed the workflow 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings/2013-02-16
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Wiki Page

2013-03-05 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT


Le mar. 05 mars 2013 17:27:54 CET, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :
 Hello Kévin, webmaster, Emir,

 Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on March 05, 2013 5:56 PM:
 Then, I'm not sure about the Tentative Design part : why snapshots, then 
 latest snapshots ? I think just the
 last snapshot, in context, is enough. The duplicate part don't seems me 
 useful. Maybe just a snapshot of
 all currents icons and one in context ?

 They are like that. One is a sheet, which is how the current icons look. The 
 other is a screenshot, which is how they would look in context/in the program.
 I didn't really think about the captions/naming, perhaps you can change it to 
 something more meaningful :)
I will think, but with my bad english it could be even worst :D

 Other question, where did you find the Gnome Symbolic icons for your 
 snapshots ?

 All Gnome icons are available here 
 https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-icon-theme/
 While I'm trying to reuse everything I can, a lot of them had to be edited or 
 even drawn from scratch.
Not surprised with that, LibO has a huge number of icons, Gnome can't 
have one for each of us.

 webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote on March 05, 2013 5:14 PM:
 Those icons need the white-ish background to show up
 instead of the transparent looking background.

 So, any new icon needs to have a non-transparent background.

 I don't think that would be a good choice, if we do so the icons won't be 
 platform independent nor theme independent.
 Wouldn't two variants (dark and light) be a better solution to this problem?

 Emir Yâsin SARI wrote on March 05, 2013 6:16 PM:
 I wonder, if the icons could be a little bit darker, at this state they are 
 barely readable.

 Good point, I forgot to bring it up.
 We need to choose a color for the icons, I suggest choosing either Tango 
 palette or LibreOffice [branding] palette:
 Tango's dark grays: 2e3436, 555753.
 LibO's dark grays: 66, 33.

 Please note that this decision would most likely affect future colored flat 
 icons. On other hand the colors can be changed with one click at any time so 
 we don't have to worry about it for now :)
I'm really not sure of what I will say, but as SVG are XML files, 
couldn't the color be automaticaly changed by the theme / program ? It 
seems me it's the way Ubuntu do with its indicators (I repeat, I'm 
really not sure, more a question than anything else)

 Or they'll look already better when implemented? Or is it better to discuss 
 this on the wiki?

 You can see that for yourself in the wiki page.

 Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on March 05, 2013 6:39 PM:
 Do someone know if there is, somewhere, a list of all the icons we actually
 use ? This would help us know what we still have to do, and maybe make a
 wiki page with all icons and their current status (not started, started by,
 analysis, ready).

 If you have the LibreOffice source code you can find all the icons in 
 icon-themes. I am replacing them (on my machine) one by one to know what's 
 done and what's not.
 A wiki page like that would be a huge effort and it wouldn't be so efficient.
 We are currently using SparkleShare (Dropbox-like software) and we're looking 
 for a solution that would automatically fetch the icons for discussion. Check 
 this meeting where we discussed the workflow 
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings/2013-02-16

Thank's a lot ! I definitively need to liberate my saturdays ... I will 
read this tonight.
 ___
 Regards,
 Issa Alkurtass
 Motah Program, KACST
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 تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك 
 نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح 
 بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها 
 (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم 
 والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار 
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Flat Icons Wiki Page

2013-03-05 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster

On 03/05/2013 11:37 AM, Kévin PEIGNOT wrote:


Le mar. 05 mars 2013 17:27:54 CET, Issa Alkurtass a écrit :

Hello Kévin, webmaster, Emir,

Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on March 05, 2013 5:56 PM:

Then, I'm not sure about the Tentative Design part : why snapshots, then latest 
snapshots ? I think just the
last snapshot, in context, is enough. The duplicate part don't seems me 
useful. Maybe just a snapshot of
all currents icons and one in context ?

They are like that. One is a sheet, which is how the current icons look. The 
other is a screenshot, which is how they would look in context/in the program.
I didn't really think about the captions/naming, perhaps you can change it to 
something more meaningful :)

I will think, but with my bad english it could be even worst :D

Other question, where did you find the Gnome Symbolic icons for your snapshots ?

All Gnome icons are available here 
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-icon-theme/
While I'm trying to reuse everything I can, a lot of them had to be edited or 
even drawn from scratch.

Not surprised with that, LibO has a huge number of icons, Gnome can't
have one for each of us.

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote on March 05, 2013 5:14 PM:

Those icons need the white-ish background to show up
instead of the transparent looking background.

So, any new icon needs to have a non-transparent background.

I don't think that would be a good choice, if we do so the icons won't be 
platform independent nor theme independent.
Wouldn't two variants (dark and light) be a better solution to this problem?


Whatever would work to make the icons stand out with the Persona design 
issues.  Also, there needs to be an ability to use the Persona font 
color choice, for most of the good ones.


We need to have icons that work for as many colors and shades colors 
of this new theme option for the new 4.0.x line.  Once the font color 
issue has been taken care of, dark and light icon options might do the 
trick.  Dark for the lighter background and light for the darker ones.  
As long as the contrast of the icon is high enough between the icons and 
the background color[s], it should work fine.  Right now the contrast of 
the grayed out icons not allowing the icons to work on the backgrounds 
I use and some of the desktop window display/color options I have tried.


Right now, my system seems to want to default to this range of gray 
colors for the menu and window areas for LO and all of my installed 
packages.

#bebab3#dad8d3 #dcdad5



Emir Yâsin SARI wrote on March 05, 2013 6:16 PM:

I wonder, if the icons could be a little bit darker, at this state they are 
barely readable.

Good point, I forgot to bring it up.
We need to choose a color for the icons, I suggest choosing either Tango 
palette or LibreOffice [branding] palette:
Tango's dark grays: 2e3436, 555753.
LibO's dark grays: 66, 33.

Please note that this decision would most likely affect future colored flat 
icons. On other hand the colors can be changed with one click at any time so we 
don't have to worry about it for now :)

I'm really not sure of what I will say, but as SVG are XML files,
couldn't the color be automaticaly changed by the theme / program ? It
seems me it's the way Ubuntu do with its indicators (I repeat, I'm
really not sure, more a question than anything else)

Or they'll look already better when implemented? Or is it better to discuss 
this on the wiki?

You can see that for yourself in the wiki page.

Kévin PEIGNOT wrote on March 05, 2013 6:39 PM:

Do someone know if there is, somewhere, a list of all the icons we actually
use ? This would help us know what we still have to do, and maybe make a
wiki page with all icons and their current status (not started, started by,
analysis, ready).

If you have the LibreOffice source code you can find all the icons in 
icon-themes. I am replacing them (on my machine) one by one to know what's done 
and what's not.
A wiki page like that would be a huge effort and it wouldn't be so efficient.
We are currently using SparkleShare (Dropbox-like software) and we're looking 
for a solution that would automatically fetch the icons for discussion. Check 
this meeting where we discussed the workflow 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings/2013-02-16

Thank's a lot ! I definitively need to liberate my saturdays ... I will
read this tonight.

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