Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi all! Sorry if this is getting Spammy, just wanted to alert you to 2 things; - It is 3pm on Friday 18th March (GMT) right now (http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/) and I'll be closing off the Design phase for the motif task in about 10 hours (1:00am GMT) from now so we can start voting. - A few people (Christoph, Ivan, Klaus-Jürgen, Paulo, as below) mentioned they'd like to see how the Scatter Design I proposed would look in-context (or that it didn't work well enough as a letterhead) so I've uploaded 3 variations of the Scatter Design to the motif page here; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif#Scatter_in-context_update Please remember that these aren't what I would consider finished Design suggestions, they are only to get a sense of the use of the Scatter motif in different implementations. For example, the website isn't our current website Design but a simple mock-up I had handy and the Splash has no version/application details on it. I'm not proposing that we choose one of these variations /independently/... to me, they form 3 possible configurations of the Scatter motif Design proposal in general. Hope some of you manage to squeeze in a proposal in the time remaining, no pressure, just wishful thinking. And get your voting mouse-finger ready =) -Nik On 3/15/2011 10:04 AM, Christoph Noack wrote: [snipped] One additional thing ... I also have a personal favorite (Scatter), but it seems to be a bit troublesome with regard to the letterhead approach. I fear that the addressee and the upper part of the text might be hard to read. Maybe this is also valid for other contexts (Splash, Website, Writer Background, ...). Might it be useful to e.g. vote for a version (from whatever author) and create two more examples before doing a final decision which will have some impact on the whole project? Of course, I'll try to help here. Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi, I have to say that the scatter motif seems to be the best to me.. so... +1 for Nik ^_^ -Daniel Merker -Original Message- From: Nik [mailto:n...@tdf.nikashsingh.com] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:23 AM To: design@libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft Hi all! Sorry if this is getting Spammy, just wanted to alert you to 2 things; - It is 3pm on Friday 18th March (GMT) right now (http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/) and I'll be closing off the Design phase for the motif task in about 10 hours (1:00am GMT) from now so we can start voting. - A few people (Christoph, Ivan, Klaus-Jürgen, Paulo, as below) mentioned they'd like to see how the Scatter Design I proposed would look in-context (or that it didn't work well enough as a letterhead) so I've uploaded 3 variations of the Scatter Design to the motif page here; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif#Scatter_in-context_update Please remember that these aren't what I would consider finished Design suggestions, they are only to get a sense of the use of the Scatter motif in different implementations. For example, the website isn't our current website Design but a simple mock-up I had handy and the Splash has no version/application details on it. I'm not proposing that we choose one of these variations /independently/... to me, they form 3 possible configurations of the Scatter motif Design proposal in general. Hope some of you manage to squeeze in a proposal in the time remaining, no pressure, just wishful thinking. And get your voting mouse-finger ready =) -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hullo Design! It looks like activity on the Motif task is naturally drawing to a close. So I propose to end the Design phase at the end of Friday this week, so that we can vote over the weekend and finish this task. Which means we can start using the selected motif soon thereafter, on the many Design materials still on our to-do list. (In my eyes, the most pressing of which is a CD/DVD template for the community). I will start a voting thread, marked with [VOTE] in the subject line as per Bernhard's suggestion (which is an awesome idea I think we should pursue even further! btw). It will include the names of the proposals submitted by Friday night and you will simply have to vote by adding; +1 your name next to your preferred motif name. Try to respond to the original [VOTE] request message so that quoted +1s can't be confused with your own. It will just make it easier for me to tally. If you have a Design up on the Motif page already, I'd really appreciate if you could name your baby to make it easier to vote on them =) I'll create a table with a tally on the Motif page and update it regularly over the weekend. On Monday I'll send an Email with the results of the vote and request the vector files (and variations) of the Motif from the final Designer so I can update the Motif page with downloadable vectors which will be placed prominently near the top of the page. I'll then write up a list of material/collateral which the Motif can be used to create template-Designs, This can serve as a check-list of Materials requested which have been updated. *That leaves 2 days to chip in a proposal if you're still keen.* Thanks to everyone who has commented and contributed so far. I'll update the Motif page with these new dates now; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif -Nik On 3/15/2011 1:23 AM, Nik wrote: Hi Ivan, On 3/13/2011 8:39 AM, Ivan M. wrote: Hi Nik! On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 6:25 AM, Nikn...@tdf.nikashsingh.com wrote: Hi Ivan and Design! Today is the last day for adding motif proposals to the Wiki page; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif I've added mine (at the bottom). And a very hasty description because I'm running short on time. Aren't we all ... regardless, your designs are AMAZING. I just wish they were available in a higher resolution (wallpapers, anyone?). Thanks and done! =) You can grab the SVG from the wiki here (or on the motif page); http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:TDF_motifscatter_110310NS.svg Just a note to all, I made it using Illustrator CS5 so if you run into compatibility problems with the file, just let me know. Overall, my favourite is Scatter (#6), but I'll go through them all with some feedback. If, at any point, my critique starts sounding overly negative, please keep in mind that I'm weighing all the options against Scatter, which I will fawn over in due time. Ivan, your feedback is always on the money and I never take it personally because you're usually right. In comparison to MessyStack, OpenBook seems more organised and tidy; I don't feel that a messy stack of pages necessarily generates a positive feeling for LibreOffice, whereas OpenBook combines interesting effects as the transparent pages overlap and limits the strong greens to the top of the page. It looks more organised and focused. The only thing I don't like on OpenBook is the green used for the LibO logo; I would have it in white (with the document icon fill set to transparent) and I would suggest that it be left-aligned. Yep, I was worried about the negative impression when I was making it, and not entirely happy with the result when it was done, for the same reasons. ApplicationCorners is nice, and although it links well to LibreOffice, the image on the top-left looks like a log on its own, and I think that sends the wrong message, particularly because there are a good number of companies that use similar logos. Compared to something more unique to LibO, like the document corners used wonderfully in Scatter, I think that, despite being lovely to look at, ApplicationCorners feels a little out of place with LibO's visual language. Yeah I know =(, sadly the strength of this design comes as a logo-type-image rather than a motif, like you said. So I totally agree, it just doesn't fit well. DocumentFlower is a great idea, but the document symbol with the cut off corner doesn't appear to lend itself well to this kind of motif - it feels unbalanced despite being perfectly arranged. I think the lack of balance creates an interesting tension or movement, but I can see where you're coming from. This Design would need more work to be up to scratch. Which I won't pursue =) And it is a bit simplistic. FoldedPage uses great light greens, but it's very abstract, which makes it seem a little incoherent/incongruous (at least to my eyes). If a little order were to be imposed, I think it could work better. Its a difficult balance between establishing
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Christoph, all, On 3/15/2011 10:04 AM, Christoph Noack wrote: [snipped] One additional thing ... I also have a personal favorite (Scatter), but it seems to be a bit troublesome with regard to the letterhead approach. I fear that the addressee and the upper part of the text might be hard to read. Maybe this is also valid for other contexts (Splash, Website, Writer Background, ...). You're right, when I was making Scatter, I wanted people to see it in its raw form which is most powerful. I didn't think enough about the context (the letterhead) and it would seem unruly now on paper letterheads. But the Scatter Design is adaptable to even this purpose. In the remaining days, I'll try and draw up some quick rough drafts of what Scatter would look like in the contexts you mention above, showing how versatile the Motif could prove (like Ivan mentioned =) Might it be useful to e.g. vote for a version (from whatever author) and create two more examples before doing a final decision which will have some impact on the whole project? Of course, I'll try to help here. Yep, that's what I envision the Revisions phase is for (though it is only 2 days); http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif That will give us time to muck around with the Motif to make it suitable for different purposes. And I don't know about you guys, but my files are usually pretty sloppy during the Design-proposal phase. So some time to clean up the loose ends will also be good. Cheers, Christoph -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Klaus, Sorry for the late response... On 3/11/2011 6:18 AM, ol klaus-jürgen weghorn wrote: Hi Nik, *, [snipped] When I saw the 6 for the first time I would take OpenBook. But after a while I think that the first (MessyStack) looks fresher. Interesting that you changed your mind, or that MessyStack grew on you =) MessyStack: First I was irritated by the transparency of the messy pages. The logo is quite good and on the right place. It was my first eye catch on this shape. Maybe we can make 6 sheets and on the left edge of each sheet we can put one of the coloured triangles OpenBook: The logo isn't shown as good as in the others Proposal: The same with the pages and the coloured triangles as in MessyStack ApplicationCorners: There are three motifs to look at: on the left top, on the right top and on the right bottom. My eyes are irritated where to look. DocumentFlower: It looks a little bit like in the seventies (1970s). In Germany we had a 'Pril' flower that looks like it (a dish detergent). FoldedPage: I can't identify what the motif on the right side is. For me it is a green, transparency big point. Nothing else. I think the logo should be on the right side. Scatter: It seems to be very restless for me In the coming days I'll attempt to show how this Design can be restrained or kept in check, despite seeming somewhat restless at the moment in its current guise. I think it will be important to propose a powerful/exciting motif because a powerful Design can be subdued quite easily, but a subdued Design is near impossible to energise. I hope I can change your mind about Scatter with the coming additions. But in any case, it would be great if you could vote on your final preferred Design over the weekend! =) I'll be sending an Email for the vote on Saturday. As I write this, it is 2pm Wednesday the 16th (GMT). I will close the Design-phase and send out the [VOTE] email at around 1:00am on Saturday the 19th (GMT); http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/ These are my personal non designer opinions. The vast majority of our user-base are non-Designers, so your opinion is VERY welcome =) k-j -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Ivan, On 3/13/2011 8:39 AM, Ivan M. wrote: Hi Nik! On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 6:25 AM, Nikn...@tdf.nikashsingh.com wrote: Hi Ivan and Design! Today is the last day for adding motif proposals to the Wiki page; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif I've added mine (at the bottom). And a very hasty description because I'm running short on time. Aren't we all ... regardless, your designs are AMAZING. I just wish they were available in a higher resolution (wallpapers, anyone?). Thanks and done! =) You can grab the SVG from the wiki here (or on the motif page); http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:TDF_motifscatter_110310NS.svg Just a note to all, I made it using Illustrator CS5 so if you run into compatibility problems with the file, just let me know. Overall, my favourite is Scatter (#6), but I'll go through them all with some feedback. If, at any point, my critique starts sounding overly negative, please keep in mind that I'm weighing all the options against Scatter, which I will fawn over in due time. Ivan, your feedback is always on the money and I never take it personally because you're usually right. In comparison to MessyStack, OpenBook seems more organised and tidy; I don't feel that a messy stack of pages necessarily generates a positive feeling for LibreOffice, whereas OpenBook combines interesting effects as the transparent pages overlap and limits the strong greens to the top of the page. It looks more organised and focused. The only thing I don't like on OpenBook is the green used for the LibO logo; I would have it in white (with the document icon fill set to transparent) and I would suggest that it be left-aligned. Yep, I was worried about the negative impression when I was making it, and not entirely happy with the result when it was done, for the same reasons. ApplicationCorners is nice, and although it links well to LibreOffice, the image on the top-left looks like a log on its own, and I think that sends the wrong message, particularly because there are a good number of companies that use similar logos. Compared to something more unique to LibO, like the document corners used wonderfully in Scatter, I think that, despite being lovely to look at, ApplicationCorners feels a little out of place with LibO's visual language. Yeah I know =(, sadly the strength of this design comes as a logo-type-image rather than a motif, like you said. So I totally agree, it just doesn't fit well. DocumentFlower is a great idea, but the document symbol with the cut off corner doesn't appear to lend itself well to this kind of motif - it feels unbalanced despite being perfectly arranged. I think the lack of balance creates an interesting tension or movement, but I can see where you're coming from. This Design would need more work to be up to scratch. Which I won't pursue =) And it is a bit simplistic. FoldedPage uses great light greens, but it's very abstract, which makes it seem a little incoherent/incongruous (at least to my eyes). If a little order were to be imposed, I think it could work better. Its a difficult balance between establishing the random (natural) and ordered (artificial) feeling on this one. I think it has promise, but the balance would take time and whether that is worth attempting will depend on feedback from this list. The current colours of this Design really hide its potential. And finally, we come to Scatter. One of many possible interpretations of this could be that it looks like something has been set free, and I think this fits really well with LibO as a community-driven FLOSS office suite. I'm glad someone else gets the same unleashed feeling from this Design as I did =) I think this could work really well with alternating blues and greens in the scatter design (actually, it would work well with almost any color). At the moment, the scatter is also confined to a rectangular area, but it could be adapted to various shapes and arrangements for use on the website, start/welcome center, etc, and it would work really well with a minimalist look-and-feel. Subjectively, that's one of my favourite things about this design: it got me thinking about how it could be adapted and developed further into something great more than any of the others. Good to hear! =) Phew, I'm all feedbacked-out. Once again, thank you Nik for this great set of proposals. If you could flick me a SVG copy of Scatter, I'd love to take a look at it and play around with the colors. It's all yours. You may need to edit the colours to make it more vibrant. The greens I used in the file are from the branding colours and unfortunately, there is no strong saturated limey-yellow-green in that palette (the support colour is a radioactive green that just doesn't work well with the other greens). The shades of green here are too linear (in that they offer different /tones/ of the same /hue/). I think broader colours (that encroach into neighbouring hues) would certainly help, and
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Rick, I'll try and answer your questions in turn; On 3/14/2011 12:21 PM, Rick Hansson wrote: HI, I don't understand the rush to find a motif. There is a pressing need to create a motif which can provide a supporting visual element to new Designs required by the Design team. The adoption of a motif will move us away from the mistake of mirroring the Document-logo verbatim in all new Design material. I'm not sure whether you caught the discussion that lead up to the Motif task, where much of this was discussed? The wiki page captures many of the reasons why; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif Just personally, I wish people would stop using the word rush to describe a clearly planned and progressive task. Rush seems to imply there is no order to this task, when that is clearly not the case. Brainstorming can be very useful to kickstart ideas, but also wrong when you force implementation. Who is forcing implementation? - The brainstorming phase was separate to the Design phase, nothing was forced. - Design was held off until after ideas/concepts had been collected. - The Motif hasn't been finalised yet, so there has been no implementation. - The Design deadline is still open so there is every chance to contribute still to the task. Deadlines can also be catalytic. But this timeline exclude many good ideas. Which good ideas have been excluded Rick? could you mention a specific example that has not been acknowledged on the Wiki so that I can add it? If you are talking about Design ideas, a very open Brainstorming phase was undertaken for just this purpose, everyone shared their ideas. Even now, Design proposals are revealing new ideas. At what point have any been excluded? I have to take exception to such a claim because I've spent a great deal of time ensuring that doesn't happen. And the Wiki page is a collaborative tool, I'm not solely responsible for moving items there. It is easy to refer to this abstract concept that there are many good ideas not captured by this task. This could be said of EVERY SINGLE DESIGN TASK in the history of this list. If you HAVE a good idea, I have to trust that you'll EXPRESS this good idea on this list because it is very hard to read people's minds. It is fast, yes, but that shouldn't be mistaken for ill-prepared. Steps for this task have been clearly communicated to the team. There is still every chance for input. To wait until everyone on this list is ready would result in an endless task. We have to be realistic. But at the same time, the deadlines have been discussed on this list and continue to be. This is a big task with small benefit. Here, I'm afraid we see it quite differently. This is a small task (short time frame by conventional standard, and not very resource-intensive) with a big benefit (it will strengthen the brand once adopted and implemented consistently, give non-Design members something to base work on, it will provide an additional tool for Design members to create works from, it will define a look and feel that can be used to identify the project visually, easily). I'm afraid we'll end up with a theme or motif that only a few people like. I don't want to see spirals, waves, animals… everywhere. And If we start using something - I hope it will be used carefully. A vote will determine this. You may need to trust that any resulting Design will indeed be used carefully by the skilled team contributing actively to this project. And because this is an open source project, if you can improve on what is being offered, you're encouraged to do so. The alternative is to either /i) wait/ or /ii) not create a motif/. Neither of these is an active solution to the problems we are addressing with this task. I don't want to be a party pooper. It's exciting to see all ideas. I like Christoph's triangles. This has stimulated some creativity. I wish more designers will pump up lots of ideas, drafts, mockups.. to the wiki, not only on this thread. It's fun to see what people are thinking. This task is indeed on the wiki, not only on this thread. I've made sure to link to it with every Email regarding the topic. I would urge you to contribute proposals to the task rather than suggest the task not proceed. With that mentality, and if we are constantly doubting and delaying each other, nothing will get made, nothing will get done. And there is a lot to do. Rick -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Nik, all, Nik schrieb: [...] What is everyone's thoughts on opening votes on Wednesday (16th) next week and closing them Friday (18th)? I'd especially like to hear from the regulars and the people who have been involved in the Motif discussion so far. I'd like to have joined this discussion and to provide an idea for a motif myself, but I haven't had the time (and an idea beating each and every proposal on your page)... So I'm fine with the voting dates. Best regards Bernhard PS: Nik, would you add a tag [VOTE] to the subject line of the posting starting the vote? I did it for the ligature voting and perhaps we can keep this kind of differentiation for important mails... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Nik, all! Am Dienstag, den 15.03.2011, 02:08 +1100 schrieb Nik: This is a big task with small benefit. Here, I'm afraid we see it quite differently. This is a small task (short time frame by conventional standard, and not very resource-intensive) with a big benefit (it will strengthen the brand once adopted and implemented consistently, give non-Design members something to base work on, it will provide an additional tool for Design members to create works from, it will define a look and feel that can be used to identify the project visually, easily). I really tried to come up with something today, but I have to say, that I'm not satisfied with my ideas so far ... but no need to worry on my side :-) With the given designs on the wiki page, I feel safe :-) So, thanks a lot to all the contributors. To emphasize what the others already said - quite amazing ideas you've provided in the wiki. Each of the designs has its own appeal, an own identity and its own meaning (to me). One additional thing ... I also have a personal favorite (Scatter), but it seems to be a bit troublesome with regard to the letterhead approach. I fear that the addressee and the upper part of the text might be hard to read. Maybe this is also valid for other contexts (Splash, Website, Writer Background, ...). Might it be useful to e.g. vote for a version (from whatever author) and create two more examples before doing a final decision which will have some impact on the whole project? Of course, I'll try to help here. Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Paulo, On 3/11/2011 6:05 AM, Paulo José Amaro wrote: Hi Nik! Wow, your last proposals are actually great! I still don't feel the motif feeling, but I think all them (specially the 6th) should be officially used in our work. That's great to hear, I'd really love to see a proposal from you if you get the time? =) I know you're pressed for time, so don't feel obligated though. Research is a monster that never sleeps, right? =) They have quality enough to this, but still are too general to make me think on LibreOffice when I see them. But I think they are very promissing and define good approach to our motif! Generally, motifs don't have to be intuitive or associative graphical links to the topic like, say, icons or a logo. Sometimes they are, but in many cases, they are meant to be more abstract, so that the meaning isn't necessarily embedded without some digging. For example, the Bahamas motif (the shapes); http://assets.creativity-online.com/images/work/large/b/a/h/bahamas-print060130.jpg doesn't make you instantly think of Bahamas islands right? (the logo might, but not the motif) ... But due to consistent-use, prolonged-exposure and clever-campaigning, they have become associated with the islands. So abstract is not a problem =) Just now some ideas are coming to my mind and if I'd have time tonight I'll make some proposals based on yours. That would be GREAT! I've posted a note suggesting a short extension to allow for more proposals, like yours, to be added! =) I'm hoping *Jaron* picks up on this hint too =) and our benevolent leader *Bernhard* hasn't had a chance to weigh-in on the issue and I'd really like his input (visual and verbal) too. So let me know what you think about the deadline-discussion. By the way, I'm very excited to comment on the others motif's proposals. This page is becoming a place full of good ideas! :-D http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Estudante de Ciência da Computação / UFSJ Webdesigner / Linked E.J. Blogueiro / CasaTwain.com -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Nik, all! On 12-03-2011 12:14, Nik wrote: Hi Paulo, [...] That's great to hear, I'd really love to see a proposal from you if you get the time? =) I know you're pressed for time, so don't feel obligated though. Research is a monster that never sleeps, right? =) Yeah, now you've described EXACTLY our research: a monster... Our work just started like an small work and now we have 100 pages full of hard work (most study case, than research as well)... :-) And we should be terminate last month, so... You defined it very well. :-P And is yours that way? Generally, motifs don't have to be intuitive or associative graphical links to the topic like, say, icons or a logo. Sometimes they are, but in many cases, they are meant to be more abstract, so that the meaning isn't necessarily embedded without some digging. Well, I did't though about if from this point of view. Actually you're right and I think I was very restricted by the motif example of OpenOffice, which is widely recognized and still topic related. But it's hard to say why it is so; what's came first: the motif popularity because it's topic related, or it's topic related because the motif popularity. :-/ For example, the Bahamas motif (the shapes); http://assets.creativity-online.com/images/work/large/b/a/h/bahamas-print060130.jpg doesn't make you instantly think of Bahamas islands right? (the logo might, but not the motif) ... But due to consistent-use, prolonged-exposure and clever-campaigning, they have become associated with the islands. So abstract is not a problem =) It's true. I think the Bahamas motif make me review my opinion definitively. You said me to don't worry about obligating myselft to making a motif proposal by time constraints, but the true is I'm worried about my understand and capabilities on motif's creation. I don't feel experience enough on this field to help with actual working proposals. So I think I'll go on just commenting and giving suggestions. I hope it's alright. That would be GREAT! I've posted a note suggesting a short extension to allow for more proposals, like yours, to be added! =) I'm hoping *Jaron* picks up on this hint too =) and our benevolent leader *Bernhard* hasn't had a chance to weigh-in on the issue and I'd really like his input (visual and verbal) too. So let me know what you think about the deadline-discussion. Well, I'm not purposing a motif, but I like the idea of a monocolorsable motif, like Bernhard or Christoph's proposal. It would be great to see your proposals in a monocolor theme. I actually tried to play with your Scatter motif with some white borders (creating an outline over the superposed triangles) , but I can't achieve good results. ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi everyone, I will be submitting a motif draft today. Sorry for the wait but it has been crazy lately. I'll try to get it done before this afternoon. -Daniel Merker -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Daniel, *, Am Freitag, 11. März 2011, 15:05:34 schrieb Daniel Merker: Hi all, I have posted my submission to the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Daniel%27s_Motif_-_Attempt_2.png I think it is an interesting proposal but I'm afraid if I look on it a bit closer I get some eye issue. It seemed to me if I see the text twice and so it is not very eye friendly for me. I can't look longer onto the graphic. Just my 2 € cent Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Ivan and Design! Today is the last day for adding motif proposals to the Wiki page; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif I've added mine (at the bottom). And a very hasty description because I'm running short on time. Mainly, my theme centres on the collaboration/community aspect. And some exploration of the clipped corner. Most of my shapes occur in six-sided configurations to reflect the writer/calc/base/draw... apps. Good luck with your own proposals. Remember, they don't have to be perfect, they just have to be ready enough to be voted on. We can refine them as a team a little later. Hopefully we can stick to the proposed timeline and go to a vote end of this week. now for some feedback On 3/7/2011 7:12 PM, Ivan M. wrote: Hi Nik, all, First of all, Nik, thank you so much for driving this forward - you're doing a fantastic job! Thanks amigo, That's high praise coming from /you/! =) On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Nikn...@tdf.nikashsingh.com wrote: [...] So we have ideas and concepts, *It's time to Design!* * Pick a concept you'd like to convey and, while adhering to the branding, create a first draft of your motif. * Upload it to the Wiki page (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif) under the new Motif proposals section (bottom of page). * Add a preview image (jpeg/gif/png) if possible (svg preview is quite bad). * Explain what you were aiming to do with the Design, or more importantly, what it communicates. I've uploaded a rather quick and simple proposal to the wiki page with some descriptions and self-critique. I realise that it looks a little kitschy now (double rainbow all the way across the sky...) but I don't have the time right now to refine it further (or make a letterhead), That's cool, I can totally imagine this in a letterhead and a whole bunch of other formats, especially if used as a narrow strip. You actually managed to skilfully combine the application colours, which inspired my own attempt at mastering composition of the application colours. And you used a TEXTURE really well, something I'd like to see more of, because texture says so much by impeding so little. but the LibO rounded document corners could be brought into play as well. On that little tangent, I was also wondering what a bokeh-like effect with the LibO rounded document corners would look like (if it was done properly)... If you manage to make a Bokeh motif work, and we complemented it with bokeh photography, that would make for AMAZING compositions! I'm looking forward to seeing what others come up with! Regards, Ivan. Thanks for pitching in during your busy-season Ivan. And I too am looking forward to what gets made by the crew? Head on over to the Motif page to catch up on what's happened so far; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Nik! Wow, your last proposals are actually great! I still don't feel the motif feeling, but I think all them (specially the 6th) should be officially used in our work. They have quality enough to this, but still are too general to make me think on LibreOffice when I see them. But I think they are very promissing and define good approach to our motif! Just now some ideas are coming to my mind and if I'd have time tonight I'll make some proposals based on yours. By the way, I'm very excited to comment on the others motif's proposals. This page is becoming a place full of good ideas! :-D http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Estudante de Ciência da Computação / UFSJ Webdesigner / Linked E.J. Blogueiro / CasaTwain.com 2011/3/10 Nik n...@tdf.nikashsingh.com Hi Ivan and Design! Today is the last day for adding motif proposals to the Wiki page; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif I've added mine (at the bottom). And a very hasty description because I'm running short on time. Mainly, my theme centres on the collaboration/community aspect. And some exploration of the clipped corner. Most of my shapes occur in six-sided configurations to reflect the writer/calc/base/draw... apps. Good luck with your own proposals. Remember, they don't have to be perfect, they just have to be ready enough to be voted on. We can refine them as a team a little later. Hopefully we can stick to the proposed timeline and go to a vote end of this week. now for some feedback On 3/7/2011 7:12 PM, Ivan M. wrote: Hi Nik, all, First of all, Nik, thank you so much for driving this forward - you're doing a fantastic job! Thanks amigo, That's high praise coming from /you/! =) On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Nikn...@tdf.nikashsingh.com wrote: [...] So we have ideas and concepts, *It's time to Design!* * Pick a concept you'd like to convey and, while adhering to the branding, create a first draft of your motif. * Upload it to the Wiki page (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif) under the new Motif proposals section (bottom of page). * Add a preview image (jpeg/gif/png) if possible (svg preview is quite bad). * Explain what you were aiming to do with the Design, or more importantly, what it communicates. I've uploaded a rather quick and simple proposal to the wiki page with some descriptions and self-critique. I realise that it looks a little kitschy now (double rainbow all the way across the sky...) but I don't have the time right now to refine it further (or make a letterhead), That's cool, I can totally imagine this in a letterhead and a whole bunch of other formats, especially if used as a narrow strip. You actually managed to skilfully combine the application colours, which inspired my own attempt at mastering composition of the application colours. And you used a TEXTURE really well, something I'd like to see more of, because texture says so much by impeding so little. but the LibO rounded document corners could be brought into play as well. On that little tangent, I was also wondering what a bokeh-like effect with the LibO rounded document corners would look like (if it was done properly)... If you manage to make a Bokeh motif work, and we complemented it with bokeh photography, that would make for AMAZING compositions! I'm looking forward to seeing what others come up with! Regards, Ivan. Thanks for pitching in during your busy-season Ivan. And I too am looking forward to what gets made by the crew? Head on over to the Motif page to catch up on what's happened so far; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Nik, *, Am 10.03.2011 18:25, schrieb Nik: Hi Ivan and Design! Today is the last day for adding motif proposals to the Wiki page; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif I've added mine (at the bottom). And a very hasty description because I'm running short on time. Mainly, my theme centres on the collaboration/community aspect. And some exploration of the clipped corner. Most of my shapes occur in six-sided configurations to reflect the writer/calc/base/draw... apps. Good luck with your own proposals. Remember, they don't have to be perfect, they just have to be ready enough to be voted on. We can refine them as a team a little later. Hopefully we can stick to the proposed timeline and go to a vote end of this week. now for some feedback When I saw the 6 for the first time I would take OpenBook. But after a while I think that the first (MessyStack) looks fresher. MessyStack: First I was irritated by the transparency of the messy pages. The logo is quite good and on the right place. It was my first eye catch on this shape. Maybe we can make 6 sheets and on the left edge of each sheet we can put one of the coloured triangles OpenBook: The logo isn't shown as good as in the others Proposal: The same with the pages and the coloured triangles as in MessyStack ApplicationCorners: There are three motifs to look at: on the left top, on the right top and on the right bottom. My eyes are irritated where to look. DocumentFlower: It looks a little bit like in the seventies (1970s). In Germany we had a 'Pril' flower that looks like it (a dish detergent). FoldedPage: I can't identify what the motif on the right side is. For me it is a green, transparency big point. Nothing else. I think the logo should be on the right side. Scatter: It seems to be very restless for me These are my personal non designer opinions. k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hullo Design! It's open-season on the Motif. *We have hit the week-long (business-week) Design phase!* So get your preferred tool of awesome-vector-creation out, whether that is Inkscape, Illustrator or even pencil+paper (not so scalable =). Here is a summary of the ideas resulting from the brainstorming phase; * History * Revival * People / Community * Imagination / Creativity * Possibility * Freedom * Openness * Security * Individuality * Professionalism * Others are listed in more general descriptions on the motif page Here is what our branding specifies; * Clean * Balanced * Friendly Recommended visual tools; * Colour * Pattern * Shape * (I would add: texture) So we have ideas and concepts, *It's time to Design!* * Pick a concept you'd like to convey and, while adhering to the branding, create a first draft of your motif. * Upload it to the Wiki page (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif) under the new Motif proposals section (bottom of page). * Add a preview image (jpeg/gif/png) if possible (svg preview is quite bad). * Explain what you were aiming to do with the Design, or more importantly, what it communicates. * If possible, please provide a preview of how the Design would look in context: it should be the same context to keep everything consistent.* So the context should be: An A4-size letterhead for LibreOffice* (210mmx297mm). This is so you don't have to worry about creating content. And you can add this letterhead-info to make your life easier; Name Surnameson 123 Roadly drive, Suburbia SinCity, Countria. 54321 Tel: 9876 54321 Fax: 9876 54322 Email: name.surname...@generic-co.com Just add the logo somewhere on the letterhead too and your Design motif somewhere on the page. You can fill the page with Lorem Ipsum dummy-text (http://lipsum.lipsum.com/) to add realism. Head over to this page for more information: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif ... On 3/6/2011 10:32 AM, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Nik! Am Samstag, den 05.03.2011, 03:33 +1100 schrieb Nik: Hi Design! 2 more days to go until the brainstorming of motif ideas is over and we begin design proposals (on Monday). Head over to this page for more information; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif I still try to figure out how to catch up with some of the older tasks ... if I won't manage that (well), I'll simply upload what I have tomorrow evening (my time). On 2/28/2011 10:45 AM, Christoph Noack wrote: ... Am Sonntag, den 27.02.2011, 22:36 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: ... http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/11/libreoffice-33-artwork-improvements.html I'm glad to include these on the page, but we should expect that these previous elements will have no significant bearing on the Motif yet-to-be-designed. I don't like carrying-over elements just because they have been used, I think it would be better to craft new elements from scratch with clear purpose+intentions+context from the beginning. True, but I hope that gives an impression what we've used so far - maybe it is inspiring - maybe not :-) I still like it somehow, since the show-to-the-upper-right triangle (whether it is varied in size, color, position) is still a strong link to the Document Symbol. Hi Christoph, I think the triangle is great, but to continue to use it in exactly the same way as in the logo, I think that would be a mistake. It seems too obvious and repetitive (not in a consistent way, but in a tiring way) to use it in many places. And adding more clipped top-right corners and floating triangles will reduce the impact of the current logo's appeal. But that is just my opinion, obviously no-one is restricted from creating whatever motif they want to propose! And, personally, it does have some meaning for me (progress, freedom, direction, guidance). See you tomorrow ... Cheers, Christoph *C'mon crew, let's drop some jaws! =)* -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Nik, argh, am I late? Or should I ask: am I too late? :-) Thanks a lot for the summary and making up the wiki page ... I felt free to add the brainstorming proposals I've talked about yesterday. Thus, I'm very sorry for the late submission. I wasn't able to bring up something really new within the last hours, but I tried to clean up my available stuff to - at least - present it to you. And I felt free to add two things: a triangle pattern that might serve as a motif, and a large scale motif (is there a better description in English) that serves different document types. Combine the two, and voilà ;-) Here you go: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif#Brainstorming Okay, and a small hint for those who want to start to design (see Nik's mail below) in Inkscape - there is an excellent Lore Ipsum Generator built in. And to all - thanks for your excellent input! Cheers, Christoph Am Montag, den 07.03.2011, 03:18 +1100 schrieb Nik: Hullo Design! It's open-season on the Motif. *We have hit the week-long (business-week) Design phase!* So get your preferred tool of awesome-vector-creation out, whether that is Inkscape, Illustrator or even pencil+paper (not so scalable =). Here is a summary of the ideas resulting from the brainstorming phase; * History * Revival * People / Community * Imagination / Creativity * Possibility * Freedom * Openness * Security * Individuality * Professionalism * Others are listed in more general descriptions on the motif page Here is what our branding specifies; * Clean * Balanced * Friendly Recommended visual tools; * Colour * Pattern * Shape * (I would add: texture) So we have ideas and concepts, *It's time to Design!* * Pick a concept you'd like to convey and, while adhering to the branding, create a first draft of your motif. * Upload it to the Wiki page (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif) under the new Motif proposals section (bottom of page). * Add a preview image (jpeg/gif/png) if possible (svg preview is quite bad). * Explain what you were aiming to do with the Design, or more importantly, what it communicates. * If possible, please provide a preview of how the Design would look in context: it should be the same context to keep everything consistent.* So the context should be: An A4-size letterhead for LibreOffice* (210mmx297mm). This is so you don't have to worry about creating content. And you can add this letterhead-info to make your life easier; Name Surnameson 123 Roadly drive, Suburbia SinCity, Countria. 54321 Tel: 9876 54321 Fax: 9876 54322 Email: name.surname...@generic-co.com Just add the logo somewhere on the letterhead too and your Design motif somewhere on the page. You can fill the page with Lorem Ipsum dummy-text (http://lipsum.lipsum.com/) to add realism. Head over to this page for more information: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif ... On 3/6/2011 10:32 AM, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Nik! Am Samstag, den 05.03.2011, 03:33 +1100 schrieb Nik: Hi Design! 2 more days to go until the brainstorming of motif ideas is over and we begin design proposals (on Monday). Head over to this page for more information; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif I still try to figure out how to catch up with some of the older tasks ... if I won't manage that (well), I'll simply upload what I have tomorrow evening (my time). On 2/28/2011 10:45 AM, Christoph Noack wrote: ... Am Sonntag, den 27.02.2011, 22:36 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: ... http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/11/libreoffice-33-artwork-improvements.html I'm glad to include these on the page, but we should expect that these previous elements will have no significant bearing on the Motif yet-to-be-designed. I don't like carrying-over elements just because they have been used, I think it would be better to craft new elements from scratch with clear purpose+intentions+context from the beginning. True, but I hope that gives an impression what we've used so far - maybe it is inspiring - maybe not :-) I still like it somehow, since the show-to-the-upper-right triangle (whether it is varied in size, color, position) is still a strong link to the Document Symbol. Hi Christoph, I think the triangle is great, but to continue to use it in exactly the same way as in the logo, I think that would be a mistake. It seems too obvious and repetitive (not in a consistent way, but in a tiring way) to use it in many places. And adding more clipped top-right corners and floating triangles will reduce the impact of the current logo's appeal. But that is just my opinion, obviously no-one is restricted from creating whatever motif they want to propose! And, personally, it
Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Whoops, forgot to reply to Design-list instead of just to Jaron... Original Message Subject:Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 17:32:13 +1100 From: Nik n...@tdf.nikashsingh.com To: Jaron Kuppers jaronba...@gmail.com Hi Jaron, On 3/5/2011 6:37 AM, Jaron Kuppers wrote: Hi Nik, I would love to be involved but unfortunately I still feel that I don't fully understand what is desired in the motif (what is the end deliverable). Of course, design is not my main background (mechanical engineering is) so hopefully once design proposals go up I can contribute. I look forward to seeing motif's! Cheers, Jaron Sorry if I've been unclear about what the Motif-Design task entails. I think I've done a better job explaining it on the wiki (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif) than I have on this list. So if anyone else was also wondering what a Motif is, it's basically a decorative visual element, usually quite abstract (curves, patterns, colour-combinations, shapes, textures, or a combination of all). It usually gets used as subtle background elements in a Design composition, or as recurring content-separators. This is what Wikipedia thinks it is; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motif_%28visual_arts%29 More to the point, here is what a leading branding agency made when decorating a plane; http://landor.com/index.cfm?do=ourwork.casehistorycn=6147source=enewsutm_source=mailerutm_medium=emailutm_content=wv1utm_campaign=SuperBowl2011bhcp=1 (The ribbon that spans the plane is their motif, a very sophisticated way of saying smooth ride don't you think? =) Essentially what we're aiming for is to create a pleasant vector graphic that is so subtle that it can occupy empty space in an elegant way. *Sometimes it will be directly behind text so it needs to be low-contrast and low on noise (not very intricate or busy).* You have probably seen vector-flowers or inward-curling leaf/vine shapes. Here is a typical example; http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/8603944/2/istockphoto_8603944-decorative-swirl-motifs.jpg While flowers are nice, they don't say very much about Open source software right? =) So our goal is to come up with a theme, such as freedom, collaboration, or independence and create an abstract representation of that, which we can use as a basis for ... well ... everything!; posters, banners, web-pages, business cards, CDs/DVDs, your slow-moving grandma, whatever really! =) It is hard to create visual representations of intangible concepts, but that is our challenge. I'll collect and summarise the feedback from the brainstorming phase tomorrow and present it to this list. So if you want to add your two cents, feel free to dive in any time. Hope that makes it a smidgeon more clear for everyone who wasn't too sure what I was jabbering on about. And thanks for bravely piping-up and letting me know I hadn't defined the task to a wider audience Jaron! Right now we need ideas, and once we've gathered some good ones up, we can start sketching. By the way, if you're looking for a simply AWESOME implementation of a logo-brand turned into a motif (and everything else), look no further than Duffy Partner's Bahamas campaign; http://sublimedesign.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/1273.jpg Hope that clarifies and inspires =) -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Design! 2 more days to go until the brainstorming of motif ideas is over and we begin design proposals (on Monday). Head over to this page for more information; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif On 2/28/2011 10:45 AM, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Bernhard, hi Nik, all! I'd like to second Bernhard's Thank you!, since you take care of this topic! No problem, but time is running out for me unfortunately, one of you guys may have to take over before the task is complete =( Am Sonntag, den 27.02.2011, 22:36 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: What we should add to the motif page are the examples used already: - the single triangle (like the bullet points on the website) - the grouped fading triangles in the left upper and right lower corner (from the start center) - Paulo's idea of five colored triangles sticked together in a vertical row (on his light banners in the donate button) - outer border with rounded corners and cut-off right upper corner (don't know if this really qualifys as motif, but it has an impact on the general visual impression) ... any others? Hi Bernhard and Christoph, I've added your respective comments on the motif page and listed the previous attempts list Bernhard summarised above (but haven't linked any because I'm short on time). Thanks for the nice collection - close to motif had been used for the presentation template. The outline of the triangles in the background ... http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/10/libreoffice-presentation-template-first.html There is one item which is even less a motiv, but repeated throughout many of the graphics for the software: a non-symmetrical circular color gradient, and some linear gradients in the header and footer. An early version: http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/11/libreoffice-33-artwork-improvements.html I'm glad to include these on the page, but we should expect that these previous elements will have no significant bearing on the Motif yet-to-be-designed. I don't like carrying-over elements just because they have been used, I think it would be better to craft new elements from scratch with clear purpose+intentions+context from the beginning. Cheers, Christoph Looking forward to some sexy motif proposals real soon crew! -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Nik, I would love to be involved but unfortunately I still feel that I don't fully understand what is desired in the motif (what is the end deliverable). Of course, design is not my main background (mechanical engineering is) so hopefully once design proposals go up I can contribute. I look forward to seeing motif's! Cheers, Jaron On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Nik n...@tdf.nikashsingh.com wrote: Hi Design! 2 more days to go until the brainstorming of motif ideas is over and we begin design proposals (on Monday). Head over to this page for more information; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif On 2/28/2011 10:45 AM, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Bernhard, hi Nik, all! I'd like to second Bernhard's Thank you!, since you take care of this topic! No problem, but time is running out for me unfortunately, one of you guys may have to take over before the task is complete =( Am Sonntag, den 27.02.2011, 22:36 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: What we should add to the motif page are the examples used already: - the single triangle (like the bullet points on the website) - the grouped fading triangles in the left upper and right lower corner (from the start center) - Paulo's idea of five colored triangles sticked together in a vertical row (on his light banners in the donate button) - outer border with rounded corners and cut-off right upper corner (don't know if this really qualifys as motif, but it has an impact on the general visual impression) ... any others? Hi Bernhard and Christoph, I've added your respective comments on the motif page and listed the previous attempts list Bernhard summarised above (but haven't linked any because I'm short on time). Thanks for the nice collection - close to motif had been used for the presentation template. The outline of the triangles in the background ... http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/10/libreoffice-presentation-template-first.html There is one item which is even less a motiv, but repeated throughout many of the graphics for the software: a non-symmetrical circular color gradient, and some linear gradients in the header and footer. An early version: http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/11/libreoffice-33-artwork-improvements.html I'm glad to include these on the page, but we should expect that these previous elements will have no significant bearing on the Motif yet-to-be-designed. I don't like carrying-over elements just because they have been used, I think it would be better to craft new elements from scratch with clear purpose+intentions+context from the beginning. Cheers, Christoph Looking forward to some sexy motif proposals real soon crew! -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi Daniel, Tobias and anyone else keeping track of this activity, I'm sorry about the lapse in communication and the incorrect deadlines. I've been asked to extend the shelf-life of this project, so I have; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif A new work schedule can be found on the above page. *We are in the Brainstorming session, which will end in another 7 days: on Sunday. *What we need now is ideas, about the concept/theme/perception that should be communicated in the motif. If you think visually feel free to add graphic ideas, but right now, text is more useful before pen goes to paper. One-word concepts would be just as useful as descriptive text. The motif-Design task will end on Sunday 13th March, and will be finalised by Thursday 17th March. It will go to a community vote to determine the preferred motif. ... Some feedback on the 2 proposals so far; On 2/27/2011 12:12 PM, Daniel Merker wrote: Hi, Finally registered with the wiki and added my file for the motif discussion: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Alternate_Logo.svg -Daniel Merker Hi Tobias and Daniel, I've added your proposals to the wiki page; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif My initial feedback would be that the designs are somewhat visually overpowering themselves and will compete with the contents for attention. The motif will need to be something that provides a canvas on which other elements can be placed. It is a support element, and so, may need to be somewhat less attention-grabbing. But these are just suggestions, not instructions. I'm sorry I can't be more helpful by making a graphic example of what I mean, I just want to wait until the brainstorming phase is complete first and we have a strong theme/idea/perception before spending time making actual proposals. Thanks heaps for getting the ball rolling with some visual ideas. If I've missed anyone's feedback on this matter so far, just let me know and I'll add it to the Motif page. -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi NIk, all, I'm reading all you motif mails, but I didn't manage to comment them. Thanks for starting this initiative - I think it's tightly related to the main topic we postponed until the release of LibO 3.3.0: What are our goals and aims as community and what do we want to achieve with our branding? Nikash Singh wrote: [...] *What we need now is ideas, about the concept/theme/perception that should be communicated in the motif. If you think visually feel free to add graphic ideas, but right now, text is more useful before pen goes to paper. One-word concepts would be just as useful as descriptive text. If we want to look at a utopia world, I would like to see a motif that covers - freedom (freedom of chioce, a free file format, freedom from computer and Internet quality, freedom to be used on every platform, freedom to be used by people without a large monetary budget ...) - openness (open to all people by providing the freedom above, open to impaired people, open for improvements by free and proprietary additions, open for new single contributors as well as new language or platform teams, with an open mind and an open heart...) - security (secure to be readable in future times, secure from exploited leaks and bugs - or in a more realistic way: a security concept that closes all these issues in a very fast way, secure to be worked on in future - at least with the ability for everybody to keep on improving it ...) - individuality (individual themes, personal choice of extensions, support on individual strategies to use the office suite - indiviualized start center ...) - professionalism (professional quality, a reasonable choice for business and administrative / governmental usage, professional look and feel, professional way to handle alternative products ...) There must be more such points, so add your thoughts too... [...] Some feedback on the 2 proposals so far; On 2/27/2011 12:12 PM, Daniel Merker wrote: Hi, Finally registered with the wiki and added my file for the motif discussion: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Alternate_Logo.svg -Daniel Merker Hi Tobias and Daniel, I've added your proposals to the wiki page; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif My initial feedback would be that the designs are somewhat visually overpowering themselves and will compete with the contents for attention. The motif will need to be something that provides a canvas on which other elements can be placed. It might provide the basic feeling for the overall graphical impression. Perhaps it could be small and repetitive or larger and structurizing the design. It is a support element, and so, may need to be somewhat less attention-grabbing. +1 But these are just suggestions, not instructions. Same from my side - we should be open to any idea (even if I mention that I already start to compare and combine the visual examples with our present branding - I'll try to avoid this...) What we should add to the motif page are the examples used already: - the single triangle (like the bullet points on the website) - the grouped fading triangles in the left upper and right lower corner (from the start center) - Paulo's idea of five colored triangles sticked together in a vertical row (on his light banners in the donate button) - outer border with rounded corners and cut-off right upper corner (don't know if this really qualifys as motif, but it has an impact on the general visual impression) ... any others? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Motif draft
hi all, what's happening now concerning the motif? on the wiki, step 1 brainstorming is still the current step and tomorrow the task should be finished i don't know if i really understood what you wanted, but here's a quick draft i did using the triangle from the logo and the pictograms i did for the icon proposal. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Libo-motif-by-tobias-draft-.svg greetings tobias -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Motif draft
Hi, Finally registered with the wiki and added my file for the motif discussion: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Alternate_Logo.svg -Daniel Merker -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
