[Design-team] Re: Supplemental Wallpapers

[charles profitt]

On Tue, 2017-10-24 at 11:32 +0700, buergermeis...@karl-tux-stadt.de
wrote:
> Hi,
> Well time for me to answer this. There are two reasons why there isnt
> a Supplemental Wallpaper for F27. First Mo already mentioned, I did
> live for several months just with net from the phone. So actually for
> the F26 Supplemental Wallpaper I save the traffic of one week to use
> it just for the download of the submissions for the legal tests. So
> on the end half the months traffic just for it. And I could not
> afford to top up more for it.

> Well, my net problems are right now solved as I have a landline,
> which is stable to use.

I am glad that situation has been resolved.

> Its not funny for me to read in some tickets comments from people,
> doing this job is just hitting a button. Its not, its heavily time
> consuming. I spent each release around 400 working hours for it. Most
> of the time is spent with the legal checks, which has to be done
> manually and that means down- and upload the submissions, oh yeah the
> engines like tineye have an API but unfortuantely no such service is
> free of charge. So you have to do it manually. Same is for the
> awarding of the badges, except the voting one, they are done
> manually. So more work.

> So looking back to the what did happen around the wallpaper of F26
> and accusations made by a person not just here in the design team as
> well in public meetings which did lead to a council ticket where I
> was insulted again as the person was not enforced to give an excuse
> for his accusations as more I was punished by advised to stay away
> from IRC for a while. So with other words, they council did tell me
> that way his accusations are right.

> With such insultations I did feel not very motivated to run the
> wallpaper for F27 again, especially the cycle was very short, have a
> look https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-27/f-27-design-
> tasks.html

I am sorry that this happened.

> 
> And it looks, it will be standard for the future to have shorter
> cycles, that might be fine on the "technical" side but for things
> like this its contra-productive. Currently I thinking on a way how to
> do it in a different way, so that we still can have it. My current
> idea is to run it just yearly for several releases, but there will be
> some changes for Nuancier needed again.

I always enjoyed the supplemental wallpapers and appreciate your
efforts. Let me know what I can do to assist you.

Charles

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[Design-team] Fedora 27 Final Release Readiness Meeting on Thursday, October 26 @ 19:00 UTC

[Jan Kurik]

Join us on irc.freenode.net in #fedora-meeting-1 for the Fedora 27
Final Release Readiness Meeting meeting.

The meeting is going to be held on Thursday, Oct 26, 2017 at 19:00
UTC. Please check the [1] link for your time zone.

We will meet to make sure we are coordinated and ready for the Final
release of Fedora 27. Please note that this meeting is going to be
held even if the release is delayed at the Go/No-Go meeting on the
same day two hours earlier.

You may received this message several times, but it is by purpose to
open this meeting to the teams and to raise awareness, so hopefully
more team representatives will come to this meeting. This meeting
works best when we have representatives from all of the teams.

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[Design-team] Re: Supplemental Wallpapers

[Silvia Sánchez]

Hi,

I didn't know a word about these problems.  It's a shame, I could have
helped if I knew, I had the time and the internet freely available (and
with a reasonable speed).
If I can do anything, let me know, I'll be glad to help.

Cheers,
Silvia




On 24 October 2017 at 08:14,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> Am 24.10.2017 um 12:15 schrieb Jan Kurik:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 6:32 AM,  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Well time for me to answer this. There are two reasons why there isnt a
>>> Supplemental Wallpaper for F27. First Mo already mentioned, I did live
>>> for
>>> several months just with net from the phone. So actually for the F26
>>> Supplemental Wallpaper I save the traffic of one week to use it just for
>>> the
>>> download of the submissions for the legal tests. So on the end half the
>>> months traffic just for it. And I could not afford to top up more for it.
>>>
>>> Well, my net problems are right now solved as I have a landline, which is
>>> stable to use.
>>>
>>> Its not funny for me to read in some tickets comments from people, doing
>>> this job is just hitting a button. Its not, its heavily time consuming. I
>>> spent each release around 400 working hours for it. Most of the time is
>>> spent with the legal checks, which has to be done manually and that means
>>> down- and upload the submissions, oh yeah the engines like tineye have an
>>> API but unfortuantely no such service is free of charge. So you have to
>>> do
>>> it manually. Same is for the awarding of the badges, except the voting
>>> one,
>>> they are done manually. So more work.
>>>
>>> So looking back to the what did happen around the wallpaper of F26 and
>>> accusations made by a person not just here in the design team as well in
>>> public meetings which did lead to a council ticket where I was insulted
>>> again as the person was not enforced to give an excuse for his
>>> accusations
>>> as more I was punished by advised to stay away from IRC for a while. So
>>> with
>>> other words, they council did tell me that way his accusations are right.
>>>
>>> With such insultations I did feel not very motivated to run the wallpaper
>>> for F27 again, especially the cycle was very short, have a look
>>> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-27/f-27-design-tasks.html
>>>
>>> The point is the process starts before the version before it gets
>>> released,
>>> with going through the dates and setting them up in Nuancier. Its not
>>> just
>>> simple say, oh thats the date and this not. For making it successful
>>> there
>>> is a minimal running time for it, some folks need some time to recognize
>>> it.
>>> So submission phases under 6 weeks make no sense, same for the voting. We
>>> tried on the begin to make the period short just a week but a lot of
>>> people
>>> complained about it, so you need at least 2 weeks for it. In addition you
>>> have to give Luya some time for packaging them. So far he does a very
>>> good
>>> job and finishes the package very fast, but at least a week you have to
>>> give
>>> him to.
>>>
>>> So it was quiet short to do this time.
>>>
>>> And it looks, it will be standard for the future to have shorter cycles,
>>> that might be fine on the "technical" side but for things like this its
>>> contra-productive. Currently I thinking on a way how to do it in a
>>> different
>>> way, so that we still can have it. My current idea is to run it just
>>> yearly
>>> for several releases, but there will be some changes for Nuancier needed
>>> again.
>>>
>> Thanks gnokii for the frank explanation of the situation. As you have
>> pointed to scheduling as one of the reason for not having the F27
>> supplemental wallpapers, may I ask you please, to come up with your
>> proposal what the scheduling should look like ? How much time you need
>> for each phase of the process and when, relative to branching or Beta
>> release, these phases needs to be in time ?
>>
>
> as I said under 6 weeks submission phase makes no sense better 8 weeks.
> Currently the voting phase starts automatically after the submission period
> is closed. But the was a feature request of mine to give a break in
> between. We had during last releases some who could not be moderated in as
> they submitted last moment. Amongst them the guy, who complained several
> times I have not moderated it for personal reasons (well what to say, we
> had a discussion with him before and he was not denied to do another
> submission, it just took him nearly 3 weeks to do it but later on he
> expected to have it moderated in just hours, even ignoring that I living
> with 13hrs time difference to him, so lay in the bed when he submits and I
> surly have other things to do after waking up as moderating his submission)
>
> I also said we need 2 weeks for the voting phase as we got a lot of
> complaints that one week was to short. Plus one week for the packaging.
>
> 8 weeks +3days + 2 weeks +1week
>
> so 

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[Design-team] Re: Supplemental Wallpapers

[buergermeister]

Hi,


Am 24.10.2017 um 12:15 schrieb Jan Kurik:

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 6:32 AM,   wrote:

Hi,

Well time for me to answer this. There are two reasons why there isnt a
Supplemental Wallpaper for F27. First Mo already mentioned, I did live for
several months just with net from the phone. So actually for the F26
Supplemental Wallpaper I save the traffic of one week to use it just for the
download of the submissions for the legal tests. So on the end half the
months traffic just for it. And I could not afford to top up more for it.

Well, my net problems are right now solved as I have a landline, which is
stable to use.

Its not funny for me to read in some tickets comments from people, doing
this job is just hitting a button. Its not, its heavily time consuming. I
spent each release around 400 working hours for it. Most of the time is
spent with the legal checks, which has to be done manually and that means
down- and upload the submissions, oh yeah the engines like tineye have an
API but unfortuantely no such service is free of charge. So you have to do
it manually. Same is for the awarding of the badges, except the voting one,
they are done manually. So more work.

So looking back to the what did happen around the wallpaper of F26 and
accusations made by a person not just here in the design team as well in
public meetings which did lead to a council ticket where I was insulted
again as the person was not enforced to give an excuse for his accusations
as more I was punished by advised to stay away from IRC for a while. So with
other words, they council did tell me that way his accusations are right.

With such insultations I did feel not very motivated to run the wallpaper
for F27 again, especially the cycle was very short, have a look
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-27/f-27-design-tasks.html

The point is the process starts before the version before it gets released,
with going through the dates and setting them up in Nuancier. Its not just
simple say, oh thats the date and this not. For making it successful there
is a minimal running time for it, some folks need some time to recognize it.
So submission phases under 6 weeks make no sense, same for the voting. We
tried on the begin to make the period short just a week but a lot of people
complained about it, so you need at least 2 weeks for it. In addition you
have to give Luya some time for packaging them. So far he does a very good
job and finishes the package very fast, but at least a week you have to give
him to.

So it was quiet short to do this time.

And it looks, it will be standard for the future to have shorter cycles,
that might be fine on the "technical" side but for things like this its
contra-productive. Currently I thinking on a way how to do it in a different
way, so that we still can have it. My current idea is to run it just yearly
for several releases, but there will be some changes for Nuancier needed
again.

Thanks gnokii for the frank explanation of the situation. As you have
pointed to scheduling as one of the reason for not having the F27
supplemental wallpapers, may I ask you please, to come up with your
proposal what the scheduling should look like ? How much time you need
for each phase of the process and when, relative to branching or Beta
release, these phases needs to be in time ?


as I said under 6 weeks submission phase makes no sense better 8 weeks. 
Currently the voting phase starts automatically after the submission 
period is closed. But the was a feature request of mine to give a break 
in between. We had during last releases some who could not be moderated 
in as they submitted last moment. Amongst them the guy, who complained 
several times I have not moderated it for personal reasons (well what to 
say, we had a discussion with him before and he was not denied to do 
another submission, it just took him nearly 3 weeks to do it but later 
on he expected to have it moderated in just hours, even ignoring that I 
living with 13hrs time difference to him, so lay in the bed when he 
submits and I surly have other things to do after waking up as 
moderating his submission)


I also said we need 2 weeks for the voting phase as we got a lot of 
complaints that one week was to short. Plus one week for the packaging.


8 weeks +3days + 2 weeks +1week

so it comes down to 12 weeks on the end in minimum. You have to see that 
the day for the opening of the phases is a bit important, has something 
to do with the cycle news have. An example close the voting on friday is 
not a good day, as it brings the anouncement of the winners to saturday, 
a bad day for news. Same for opening it, its best opened on a monday 
where a lot people seem to read news.

So 12 week is what we have but there is no backup time

but on the end it comes to tough 12 weeks, the only way to extend is 
doing the start of the submission phase already before the version 
before is released itself but if this is a 

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